Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[tanstalas]

The JK role working as normal is weird..

I don't know if I want to tip my hand yet.

[ToastyToast]

And seriously anyone with a brain could see that I was faking the second investigation, considering I had claimed BULLETPROOF already who faked a result the day before, so there should have been no harm in claiming an SK result.

I'm supposed to automatically know that your faking a result? I also don't recall you saying anywhere that your result D1 was fake b4 your shitty gambit continued.

A claim is a claim, and as such its the proper reaction to say why that claim is impossible. What was I supposed to, just say "LOLFAKE" and watch myself get lynched? Was I supposed to keep my alignment secret?

I chose you because I thought if you were town you would be the target of a NK, as "someone had tried to kill you." Obviously if you had a permanent bulletproof, it means you have lied on multiple occasions. So yeah, there's no way in hell you are going to get my trust back, and I'm not going to blindly be led by your bullshit.

FTR I almost picked muffin, but because he was unclaimed (could've blocked a PR) and was acting a bit differently than a recent newbie game we were in together, I decided against it
SINCE YOU CLEARLY STATED THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE THE TARGET OF THE KILL, I protected you, with the thought that you would have no other night action. Then you did your whole gambit thing...what the hell am I supposed to think?

Put yourself in my situation. Someone you blocked claims they get an investigative result on you. The result they get is completely incorrect. And your telling me that an over-reaction = scummy? With Andrius creating a shitstorm how was I supposed to keep quiet?
If it was

so obviously

fake (which it wasn't ) then why did you even say it? To force a PR to claim? There is no pro-town motive behind pulling that--because if its followed upon and your wrong, you lead the town on a wild goose chase. Seriously, I deserve an apology.

And why does my reaction suggest Mafia Roleblocker? Would a town roleblocker say "oh, it was so obviously fake!"? Would a town roleblocker just let it slide? Would they lie about their results?

Oh, and there was plenty of harm in claiming an SK result.

@Tans: How so? Besides, its not like dana would say "HEY GUSY YOU A JAILKEEPER BUT IT ONLY WORKS SOMETIMES"

[ToastyToast]

ah, allignment=role pm

[tanstalas]

@Tans: How so? Besides, its not like dana would say "HEY GUSY YOU A JAILKEEPER BUT IT ONLY WORKS SOMETIMES"

Waiting for clarification from mod on something.

[Nikanor]

I'm supposed to automatically know that your faking a result? I also don't recall you saying anywhere that your result D1 was fake b4 your shitty gambit continued.

I said it on day one after the Toog lynch.

A claim is a claim, and as such its the proper reaction to say why that claim is impossible. What was I supposed to, just say "LOLFAKE" and watch myself get lynched? Was I supposed to keep my alignment secret?

I wasn't trying to get you lynched (as I recall, I was trying to get Andy to unvote you), so yes you could have just said "LOLFAKE".

I chose you because I thought if you were town you would be the target of a NK, as "someone had tried to kill you." Obviously if you had a permanent bulletproof, it means you have lied on multiple occasions. So yeah, there's no way in hell you are going to get my trust back, and I'm not going to blindly be led by your bullshit.

I never once lied about how many bulletproof shots I had. How closely are you reading?

Put yourself in my situation. Someone you blocked claims they get an investigative result on you. The result they get is completely incorrect. And your telling me that an over-reaction = scummy? With Andrius creating a shitstorm how was I supposed to keep quiet?

The very definition of over-reaction makes it scummy, so yeah.
And the point I'm trying to make is that you're mafia who thought that I was cult fakeclaiming an SK result on you. You jump right on me thinking that I'm cult, assuming you'll get town cred when I flip scum.
I think that if you were a town jailkeeper, you wouldn't have voted me, for one. If you were town, you would have simply denied being an SK and would not have needed to claim to back that up. Instead, you went into "cop's got a guilty on me" panic mode, claimed, and voted for the person who claimed a guilty on you. You can see that exact behaviour from scum in any newbie game with a claimed cop guilty. It is very typical, and it's how I know you're scum.

[Oversoul]

Okay so guess what? I fucked up the OMGENIUS gamebreaking a bit. Luckily, it can still be salvaged.

No more WLs claim EXCEPT the following.

If you are one of the following please state whether you have received a ring yet:
- Andrius (assuming no)
- Candle Jack
- WeyounsLastClone
- GhostWriter
- ToastyToast (assuming no)
- Apokalyptika
- Oversoul

No need to have someone out themselves when they aren't in lynching range.

MrSubliminal,

Where is the second part of your revised omgenius plan?

[Nikanor]

Whatever, I'm done waiting for Sublim and hiplop is confirmed scum.

Unvote. Vote: hiplop.

[Friend]

Whatever, I'm done waiting for Sublim and hiplop is confirmed scum.

Unvote. Vote: hiplop.

Nika can you talk about this? I was under the impression hiplop was town from a certain post of his, let me find it.

[Friend]

Pretty sure thats not how it works, or thats what i got from my PM at least.

How sure is "pretty sure"? Is this an actual counterclaim? Since you've already made it obvious that you're a white lantern you should ask for more detailed information from vezok. If white lantern PMs are worded in a specific way we can potentially clear a couple of people.

Toog is scum, etc. Probably not going to unvote him ever.
I'll be voting Toasty once Toog is dead, though.

My PM is worded in a way that makes me not believe he can straight-up claim white lantern right off the bat, it says something along the lines of we have to wait for them to become part of the game.

I suppose i could just be an exception, but I'm pretty sure he just scum-slipped due to not knowing how our PM's are structured

I hope that made sense

Yeah. This one.

You think they gave scum fake WL PMs? I don't know, bro.

[Oversoul]

Whatever, I'm done waiting for Sublim and hiplop is confirmed scum.

Unvote. Vote: hiplop.

I agree with Friend. I thought he was confirmed town especially with the Vezok issue early yesterday.

And about MrSubliminal's omgenius plan, well I guess that's that.

[Nikanor]

You think they gave scum fake WL PMs?

That is the only possibility, unfortunately. It's pretty obvious that MrSublim is fake-claiming MrEntity. No White Rings actually went out. hiplop claims to have received his, so he's scum.

[Friend]

Didn't catch that, but I still want to hear from Subliminal before voteswitching.

[Friend]

Nika - what do you think of having hiplop paraphrase dana's PM that you and I received? You think he got the same one?

[Nikanor]

If he actually is a WL, he got one and should be able to paraphrase it. If he can't, he's scum, but if he can, I'm not going to rule out the possibility of dana giving scum the PM.
I mean it can't hurt, but I doubt it'll help.

[ToastyToast]

@Nikanor: I needed to claim because my action counters what your claim was. Given that you talk in small posts, it's pretty easy to miss. Need I remind you that missing something doesn't show allignment. Comparing it to a newbie game is also poor. When someone claims something that contradicts what you yourself did, you have a duty to recognize it. Again, it was pretty obvious that your claim WAS being taken seriously, so if I had just been like "LOLNO" without an explanation I would've been in the exact same situation, except you would've asked me to claim.

Also, I was using your words, I don't think it was an over-reaction. Hence I explained why it was common sense.

[zMuffinMan]

I have some theories, but I want to hear from subliminal and hiplop before I go into anything.

ftr, I think you're wrong about toast and hiplop, nik. I also think paraphrasing what dana sent yesterday is a bad idea.

also

@vezok

Are you a white lantern?

[tanstalas]

And the point I'm trying to make is that you're mafia who thought that I was cult fakeclaiming an SK result on you. You jump right on me thinking that I'm cult, assuming you'll get town cred

when

I flip scum.

Wait... what?

[Apokalyptika]

Lot of stuff to get through, here. Thoughts on the last ~10 pages:
-Muffin, berating town for a mistaken lynch especially when your opposition to it beforehand was weak? That's not very town.
-hiplop's getting a ring so soon in unexpected? I guess I'll have to wait until Subliminal does his genius gamebreaking thing, but I'm getting a feeling that he may have just been caught in a lie. Then again, he does seem to be part of this magical mason group, so I don't know. By the way, Subliminal, no ring here.
-Nikanor's "result" and all the resultant flailing is hilarious, given that he claimed he was faking yesterday.
-WLC, what the hell. Overly paranoid much?
-Blackberry, great catch there, but I highly doubt that there is more than one anti-town recruiting faction, so it's irrelevant.
-PeregrineV-Voting WLC because he's voting Sub aka Entity aka good guys, then asks in the same breath for reasons to vote Sub?
-Toasty's claim and raging seem genuine to me; I can see him reading a result on him and going nuts without checking everything. Andy and tans, though, it's odd that neither of them would have remembered anything about the previous day. What happened to that amazing scumhunting, Andy?
-Oh hi there, CandleJack. When's the other head going to explain the quickhammer attempt, what with ooba flipping town and all? Also, I'd like to know if you think a specific faction froze your vote yesterday.
-Kast's twin: Why in the nine hells are you voting Nikanor just because of a stupid gambit? He's pretty much confirmed town.
-Wait, according to Nikanor, Sub and hiplop are both scum? I don't see it, they'd have to be from different factions, and that seems too improbable for me.

In summary,

FoS: Muffin and Peregrine

.

Vote: CandleJack

for aforementioned reasons. Now that we know ooba was town, Tar's rage easily reads like Mafia frustrated at drawing suspicion for quickhammering without even getting the hammer in.

[The Book of Oa]

Votecount 2.1.2

Apokaylptika (3) - nopointinactingup, zMuffinMan, Candle Jack
WeyounsLastClone (3) - Friend, PeregrineV, tanstalas
ToastyToast (1) - Oversoul
Mr. Subliminal (1) - WeyounsLastClone
hiplop (1) - Nikanor
Candle Jack (1) - Apokalyptika

Not Voting (9) - inHimshallibe, Kast, Blackberry, Mr. Subliminal, GhostWriter, vezokpiraka, Andrius, ToastyToast, hiplop

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch and 10 to no lynch.


Deadline for the first lynch expires in (expired on 2011-08-22 09:30:00)

[zMuffinMan]

And the point I'm trying to make is that you're mafia who thought that I was cult fakeclaiming an SK result on you. You jump right on me thinking that I'm cult, assuming you'll get town cred

when

I flip scum.

Wait... what?

It makes sense if you read it properly

-Muffin, berating town for a mistaken lynch especially when your opposition to it beforehand was weak? That's not very town.

Really? Do elaborate. Are you referring to the 20 or so pages in which I wasn't around, or are you referring to what I said before I flaked?

[Apokalyptika]

I was indeed referring to before you flaked. I know you were gone and all, but talking about how the lynch was horrible and we were all idiots for voting him reeks of distancing.

[nopointinactingup]

Er @Mod. I was the first to vote Apok, not inhim.

Fixed, thanks. - The Book of Oa

Nikanor is town and Toasty is genuine as fuk.

Lol at Kast for wanting a Nik lynch

I could settle for WLC lynch or both WLC and Apok. Me thinks we have good chance of cult poping there.

[zMuffinMan]

A couple things, Apok.

1) You're grossly over-exaggerating what I said

2) I

was

opposed to the ooba wagon, even when there wasn't any sort of substantial wagon on him. He was a town read of mine, and there was no case on him. You don't remember toog voting ooba and FoSing me, calling us scum buddies because I defended ooba?

[vezokpiraka]

I delayed oversoul.


By the way I have

limited access

till Sunday

[Mr Subliminal]

Consider our vote essentially on Nikanor, but I want to advance to Step 2 before a lynch.

Still awaiting answers from GW and WLC.