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Blame what OF did as carelessness? This was the only post of Adel's that she mentions her secret scumtell, and in the same sentence, she says she won't say what it is. To me, it looked like he was fishing for an answer from other players instead.Adel wrote: because it would invalidate the secret scumtell I have thatI won't announceuntil we have three days on the books without a lover-pair massclaim.-
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This scumtell discussion is just silly. Does knowing the scumtell make you less scummy? I don't know what it is, does that mean I'm scum? We have two people arguing that they know what the scumtell is and that the other is pretending to know, but they can't say it or it ruins it, so they can't prove if they know it or not. You're not getting anywhere.
Iceman, why are you talking about role PMs and saying that unless Crazy got a special message, he doesn't know what the scumtell is? There's no other way for Crazy to know what the scumtell is?
Crazy, how are you so sure that Adel is town? There are two scum factions. It's not possible for her to be in one and try to eliminate the other? How do you go from pushing for massclaim, then when Adel mentions the words "secret scumtell", you immediately know what she's talking about and go along with her?-
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I agree with Admiral here. The self-vote is what confuses me most.ThAdmiral wrote: @crazy: don't like the self vote/talk of suicide. It's bad enough in a normal game, but if you really are town you are dragging down a partner with you.
I also don't like the seeming last ditch effort to get iceman to reveal his tell (post 256).
vote: crazy
In another game I was in with Crazy, he criticizes someone for self-voting and says how anti-town that move is, but here he's doing the exact same thing. In that same game, he was the leading candidate for the lynch and he uses the defense that if he were actually scum, would he be fighting so hard to stay alive? In that game, he was of town alignment. Here, he's doing the exact opposite by voting for himself and basically giving up.
Crazy, you're also saying that it wouldn't be fair to farside if you get lynched since she's your lover, but a few posts later, you vote yourself. Does that make it more fair? You then go on to ask, retorically I assume, if you can quote mod PMs to get yourself lynched faster. I'm almost certain you already understand that if you are of town alignment, doing things like this doesn't help you or the town in any way, so it makes absolutely no sense to me why you're doing so.Unvote, Vote: Crazy
Regarding farside, she agrees with Crazy on massclaim, votes iceman together, uses chainsaw defense on OF (even when Crazy said it sucks) when OF votes Crazy. I understand they're lovers, but they're almost in complete agreement with each other on everything. That seems more like scum play to me. Even if you're paired as lovers, I'd expect to see some conflict of opinion. Maybe it's just coincidence and they really are meant for each other, but I'm leaning towards the former.-
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Meh, I probably shouldn't have mentioned it since it's still ongoing, but I was making observations on only your play. Everything I've mentioned has already happened so I don't see how it would affect current gameplay.Crazy wrote:
You're taking that way out of context. That game was in lylo. And besides, it's still ongoing, you know, and thePanda wrote: In another game I was in with Crazy, he criticizes someone for self-voting and says how anti-town that move is, but here he's doing the exact same thing. In that same game, he was the leading candidate for the lynch and he uses the defense that if he were actually scum, would he be fighting so hard to stay alive? In that game, he was of town alignment. Here, he's doing the exact opposite by voting for himself and basically giving up.person I was accusing is still alive in the game!
My self-vote was due to immense frustration. Nhat's wasn't.
Still, just to be on the safe side, ignore the points when I reference another game in my last post. My vote for Crazy is because of the self-vote and the farside paragraph still stands.-
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Picking up prod. Sorry, been a bit busy.
A couple notable things have happened. Firstly, what happened between Fire and RR.
If he's town, he knows that he has a daytalk. The game is also nightless. Why would he come to the conclusion that with a nightless game and town having a daytalk, that scum would not? Was he expecting that scum would have to PM each other separately, amongst 4 people, no less? Townies of 2 get daytalk, but a group of 4 does not? Honestly, it seems pretty illogical from both town and scum point of view to believe that was a scumtell. However, I do agree that it does seem like a risky move if he was scum to make up a tell and go with it for so long. For now, I'll unvote Crazy. Some of his behavior has been undeniably scummy, but I can sort of understand that it was due to being frustrated. Also, it seems there are bigger fish.Raging Rabbit wrote: If I choose to believe he honestly thought he had a secret tell, he pretty much has to be town since scum would know that they have a daytalking forum as well as town and would thus not think there's anything secret about it or that it's a scumtell.
This is post completely contradicts itself. RR is defending Crazy+Farside "more than anything" and at the same time gives plenty of reasons to vote Crazy? RR has been pointing out Crazy's scummy behavior, but RR believes that if Crazy believed (hope you're still with me) in his scumtell, then he would be town. I don't completely agree with that, but RR does, and if so, it explains why he hasn't voted Crazy. When Adel points this post out, Fire starts backtracking, saying that it was purely to test reaction. His following slew of posts after are of him mostly quoting himself and avoiding questions. Even if his vote was to test reaction, he has clearly not read RR's posts. To me, it seemed like he just got caught.Firestarter wrote:Unvote: Vote: Raging Rabbit
With Crazy & Farside claimed lovers. you seem to be defending them more than anything else... You give plenty of reasons to vote Crazy in your posts, yet at the end of several you say your happy with where your vote is... please explain?
Why?pwnz wrote:ThAdmiral wrote: wow, four pages a day.
Don't have time to read but I know I have to...
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Regarding iceman, I don't really see the case on him. These are his two posts which everyone seems to focus on.
icemanE, post 164 wrote:Additionally, crazy, unless you received some kind of special message after your role PM, the generic townie PM is available for all to see on the first page of this thread. It's the PM is received, so unless you got something extra, you're full of crap. Please vote and eliminate crazy-scum, it's clear now he's full of shite.
When I first read 164, I was confused on what he meant by "special message". I had assumed that he was being sarcastic as he was arguing with Crazy that town gets the exact same messages. Even if he was scum, he would've known that town had daytalks. In post 164, he directly references the role PMs posted at the beginning, which include a line about quicktopics:icemanE, post 166 wrote:
The difference between townies and scum comes from the role PM they receive at the beginning of the game. As I said, unless the rest of the townies got some special message that I didn't, the tell is based on voting patterns.He never said anything about it being in a PM about a secret scum tell. Where are you getting this from? Voting patterns wasn't the only thing that is a secret scum tell in this game. There is a second part.
Or, as you state, it's possible I am thinking of something different. Regardless, the tell I'm thinking of is only possible if the mass-claim doesn't happen for a few days, so I think what I've got in mind is accurate.
Also, post 4 from the mod:You may daytalk with your Lover here: [link to quicktopic]
Unless he did a Crazy (kekeke) and had selective reading, I don't see how he would've miss this as well.destructor wrote:I've added daytalking to the setup andwill be PMing everyone links to quicktopics.
Also, note that I've amended rules 1 and 12.
This post makes sense to me. It explains that he was referring toicemanE wrote:If you could quote where I said I didn't know townies got a day-talk forum, I'll love you forever.
I asked Crazy if he got some sort of SPECIAL INFORMATION after his role PM, not the link to his daytalk forum. The link to the daytalk forum isn't SPECIAL INFORMATION because EVERYONE GOT IT. I pointed out after looking over the role PMs that the scum and werewolf PM's say "team" instead of "lover." You're either misreading or, as I've said, just making things up.additionalinformation to what everyone already received, albeit asking this isn't very logical to begin with as I don't know what he's hoping to get for an answer.
Firestarter is still my top scum candidate. Fire's last post says he was waiting for RR to respond, which he has, yet still hasn't moved his vote or give his thoughts on RR's response.
Unvote; Vote: Firestarter-
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What's OP mean? Is that like V/LA or something?icemanE wrote: I think by now it should be clear that Firestarter(now OP)is my lover. His fabrication of that case was an attempt to derail the wagon growing on me - yes, it was poorly planned and executed, but I requested that he attempt to pull a few votes off of me - sadly, instead of backing my case on Crazy, as we discussed, he decided to start an entirely new wagon.
Well I guess that works out. I'm happy to switch my vote to iceman if Fire is his partner. I'll leave it at L-2 in case anyone isn't paying attention and drops hammer.-
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If you're town and you feel this way, why not point out other options?dybeck wrote:This lynch has all the hallmarks of a lazy lynch by a town that has closed its mind to other options.
Are you saying this is where we should be focused on? A vote you placed because of one post? After you voted him, you have directed no additional questions towards flea. This is better than the cases people have built on Fire or iceman?dybeck wrote:
This is REALLY desperate and contrived.somestrangeflea wrote:"I think he's scum" doesn'tmeananything. It should be obvious. It's not really a reason because it should apply to everyone you want to lynch. But by having it as an entirely separate reason, you've drawn attention to that obvious fact, something which I think is the behavior of scum attacking a scum non-buddy.
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Oh, but I do. If Fire/ice (fire and ice, hurhur) do flip scum, I've already noted a couple people down as I done my reread.dybeck wrote:The test of this is easy. If you're right about your lynch choice, who will you attack tomorrow? If you don't have an answer, it's too early to end the day, because you haven't got enough information from today.
In most of this post, it looks like you're already making assumptions that Fire/ice IS a scum wagon. The jist I got from your previous post implied that you felt the town was looking in the wrong direction. You're right though, about not having enough information on some people. I still don't know where you stand as you haven't given your opinion on either wagons.dybeck wrote:I strongly suspect that the answer from most people, if Fire/Ice are scum, will now be 'Let's attack Dybeck tomorrow' but meh. There's a vast majority of people in this town from whom you have no kind of reading. And that's because too much attention is being pointed in a single direction.
I've made this speech too many times before, and usually end up getting lynched for it but, hey, maybe that's my lot in life.
And yes, you're right, I've been lazy this game too. The time for this speech was probably not so late in the day when, of course, it just smacks of trying to derail a scum bandwagon.-
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Hum, I'm sorry that I missed that one line. Again, if you feel that way, why not provide counter-arguements if that is how you feel? Why have you not been more vocal about looking at other avenues? I know that you've requested replacement, but you still seem quite active, giving your opinion of how poorly we're doing instead of actual scum-hunting.dybeck wrote:
Panda: I think I stated my standpoint on the wagons pretty clearly.dybeck wrote:For the record, then, I may as well go on record as pointing out that both your bandwagons are baseless and I suspect the wheels will fall off as soon as somebody does something genuinely scummy.-
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I'm not particularly suspicious of Darla's L-1 vote. I still think there's no reason to hammer before the deadline though. Some questions:
It's not, but dybeck has not been doing such. He placed a vote on SSF, then basically done nothing since. When asked, he had no other options to look into, besides pointing fingers at the lurkers. This behavior makes you think he's more likely town?Alabaska J wrote: ThAdmiral, I can see your point of view, but I can also see that it wrong. Is looking at other options such a bad thing?
Like charter has been asking, what happened to your reread on SSF? What made you suspicious of him in the first place? What are your thoughts on dybeck?DarlaBlueEyes wrote:Finally caught up and had a wonderful nice post on why Iceman was scum and the damn site glitched, said bandwith was expired or something
I lost my post,
unvote; vote Iceman
will try to recreate the post asap!
Like the vote but aren't switching? Why are you so eager for Darla's reread of SSF? What made you suspicious of SSF? Thoughts on dybeck?charter wrote:I like the Darla vote.
QFT.sekinj wrote:I mostly agree with RR on that post (551). dybeck could so easily be setting up a "I told you so" Day 2. I also don't like being called a lazy town when it's not like dybeck has contributed half as much as other people. I'm not fond of hypocrites.-
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Vote: Cerebus
Massclaim
Ice and Cerebus have used a couple of the same arguments against Crazy which were strikingly similar. I'm quoting the entire posts for clarity's sake. The bolding is the main focus.cerebus3 wrote:IcemanE is fitting with my townie read on him I have at the moment. Still tentative though.
I dont think crazy knows what the scum tell is.If there evenisone, this game is open, so town have no information the scum don't.
vote: crazy
--------------------------------------------------------------------icemanE wrote:PANDA, IT IS SOMETHING THAT ONLY TOWNIES WOULD KNOW!!! I can't say anything more without revealing what it is. Not all townies might catch it, but THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT SCUM WOULD KNOW WHAT IT IS.
This is straight BS. Townies are LESS informed than scum. How could they possibly have info that scum does not?
If you want me to, I'll reveal what I believe the "secret tell" is - it's hardly a secret, it's something both scum and town could easily figure out if they thought about it for a minute, so knowing the tell does not prove either way that you're town or scum - that's the main problem I have with crazy's crazy bull. Like I have said many many times, unless crazy recieved some sort of special information the rest of us missed, there's not a game-specific "secret tell". The one I'm thinking of could exist in any game of this type. Additionally, it's not an unbeatable, bulletproof tell - it's as valuable as any other, and just as breakable.
Crazy's defense of "keep me alive until at least day 3 so you can see my secret" is trash. Also, the fact that he unvoted me just a few short posts after he said:
is ridiculous.I am about 90% sure Adel is town. I am about equally sure Iceman is scum.
I think it's worth losing farside (who from my evaluation hasn't done anything awesomely protown or horrifically scummy) to lynch Crazy, who is quite clearly scum.cerebus3 wrote:Crazy wrote:
That is incredibly not true.cerebus3 wrote:I dont think crazy knows what the scum tell is. If there even is one, this game is open, so town have no information the scum don't.
This post is crap. Those two paragraphs couldn't conflict with each other more. Wouldn't you think maybe I'm thinking of the same thing you mentioned in YOUR SECOND PARAGRAPH? And you're still voting me?iceman wrote:The difference between townies and scum comes from the role PM they receive at the beginning of the game. As I said, unless the rest of the townies got some special message that I didn't, the tell is based on voting patterns.
Or, as you state, it's possible I am thinking of something different. Regardless, the tell I'm thinking of is only possible if the mass-claim doesn't happen for a few days, so I think what I've got in mind is accurate.How can town think of that and not scum again?
--------------------------------------------------------------------icemanE wrote:Crazy wrote:Aww crap, I don't want to get lynched because that means that farside has to die, too, and that's not really fair to her.
And I don't want to get replaced, because then if the town wins then I don't win with them.
So the only option is thus to mega-lurk and post one-liners every 2 days.
See ya.This is not what a member of the town says when they think they're going to be lynched.Especially not when they're still 4 votes away from said lynch.
I'll amend my previous statement to say that if thetownwants me to I'll talk about the scumtell.
Cerebus goes on to agree with Neko and votes Fire here:
But this is his next post:cerebus3 wrote:
I think me and neko are on the same wavelength. I was gonna say that!neko2086 wrote:unvote; vote: firestarter
First, I don't see how RR has done much different than I've done, or others. Clearly, Crazy has acted scummy. Logically, however, it doesn't add up for Crazy to be scum, all things considered (see my last posts for reasons). So why, then, would it be scummy to acknowledge somebody's scumminess but not vote them because the argument for them being town is much stronger? (whew)
Additionally, you're attacking RR for defending somebody who you believe is town when, looking at the votecount, it clearly wasn't popular to do so.
And, the quoting of Adel's call for other bandwagons while saying you're not trying to make a case... I'm also wondering what the point of your vote is, as you're sending very mixed messages.
unvote, vote: firestarter
Continuing to push a wagon when the wagon is proven false is pretty weird.
He agrees with ice and expresses doubt of the Fire wagon, yet doesn't move his vote.cerebus3 wrote:I see where IcemanE is coming from. I mean, what started the firestarter wagon?
This was his last post before deadline hit. After with agreeing with iceman almost the entire game, he decides that his lynch is the right move.cerebus3 wrote:I read through, but I don't really have much to say.
I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move.
Darla putting IcemanE at L-1 while conversation is still going strong is noted.
I see what erratus is saying about Alabaska.
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So you don't want to massclaim just to not go along with Adel? You were FOR massclaiming at the start of Day 1. I assumed you switched to against because of Adel's scumtell which she said would be better after a few days. Do you believe she doesn't have a scumtell anymore? What is your reason now for not wanting to massclaim?neko2086 wrote:
Also, he is not paying attention, as he voted dybeck who is no longer with us.Also, I think ThAdmiral is intentionally flying under the radar. IGMEOY.
I don't think we need a massclaim yet. I think Adel is just trying to see how many people she can get to follow her. Yesterday mostly everybody agreed that waiting to massclaim for a few days was the best plan, now suddenly Adel changes her mind and there's a wave of massclaim requests.-
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It still makes no sense to me why you'd come up with that assumption.Crazy wrote:
Okay, here it goes:WWB wrote:Also, Crazy, can you summarize and explain again how you thought your scumtell had any chance of working? I have read your posts regarding it several times and I don't get how you thought it could work.
I didn't know that the daytalk thingies were on the front page. Thus, I didn't know that scum had daytalk, too. So I was planning on waiting for a while and then having everyone mass-post their daytalk. We lynch the people that have less believable daytalk.
I'd like to hear your case on SSF btw. Yesterday, you said you were willing to go for his lynch if possible. The only time you mention him is when you ask for DBE's reread and that you think he's scum.charter wrote:Crazy, pretty sure daytalk is going to be irrelevant now. After pointing out how iceman's was obviously not pro-town, scum are going to put more effort into forging it.
Also, is there any scenario where I'm not scum in your head? And what were the reasons you were suspicious of me again?
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Probably from this? He didn't need to understand what you or Adel was talking about with the scumtell. You're saying you don't think Adel is scum. Which means she has to be town.Crazy wrote:I severely doubt Adel is scum. That would mean this whole "secret scumtell" is bull, which can't be, because I think I know what he's talking about...-
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This was was you showing doubt of the Fire wagon.cerebus3 wrote:@689: Oh noes, someone had a similar stance as scum, he must be scum as well! What about the other 10 people on the crazy wagon?
How does that come across as me doubting the Fire wagon? I was supporting what IcemanE said, not doubting the fire wagon. I was saying that what IcemanE had pointed out was similar to what started the fire wagon, so I didn't think it was completely baseless.sleepypanda wrote:He agrees with ice and expresses doubt of the Fire wagon, yet doesn't move his vote.
Also, for the record, do you think I am IcemanE's scum buddy or on the other scum team? Because your pointing out my similar stance as IcemanE wants to say I am his buddy, but that doesn't fit with me "doubting the fire wagon" yet keeping my vote there, which would indicate me being on the other scum team. You can't have it both ways.
You're asking what started the fire wagon when you were on it. Does that make a lot of sense? It looks your vote on Fire at first was a distancing attempt and your quote above was an out to allow yourself to backtrack.cerebus wrote: I see where IcemanE is coming from. I mean, what started the firestarter wagon?
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What/who are you referring to by 'there'?cerebus3 wrote:
uhhhhh.... no. That statement was supposed to make people go, hey, that reasoning is similar to why we think firestarter is scum, so maybe there is something there. If anything I was supporting the firestarter wagon. (The question was rhetorical in other words, not literal.)
You're asking what started the fire wagon when you were on it. Does that make a lot of sense? It looks your vote on Fire at first was a distancing attempt and your quote above was an out to allow yourself to backtrack.
Is guilt by association all you have?.
I'm going by what I see. Are you saying we shouldn't be trying to look for connections?
You've already labeled him as town because he found your scumtell to be quite dumb? I think at that point, the majority felt the exact same way. It's nice that you can determine a person's alignment so easily. I prefer to do some legwork, but I guess that's just me.Crazy wrote:On another note, I don't buy Panda's case against Cerebus. As soon as he did a *headdesk* post immediately after I hinted at what my scum-tell was, I put him in my town list. (If you think about it, you'll understand why)-
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Maybe I would be more sympathetic if you hadn't left everything completely vague. I'm not ignoring context if you've never referenced it in the first place. You have never mentioned dybeck or SSF specifically in your posts, until now. When you said you agree with iceman, he made multiple posts in between yours. You didn't bother to quote anything. Your question asking what started the Fire wagon cannot be immediately recognized as rhetorical and it can be interpreted different ways. Am I suppose to be a mind reader?cerebus3 wrote:
Maybe I would be more sympathetic if you had actually read what I was talking about panda. You clearly have no idea what was going on when I made that post, yet you call it scummy. did you even read page 17? I suggest you do, and stop blatantly ignoring context.SleepyPanda wrote:
What/who are you referring to by 'there'?cerebus3 wrote:
uhhhhh.... no. That statement was supposed to make people go, hey, that reasoning is similar to why we think firestarter is scum, so maybe there is something there. If anything I was supporting the firestarter wagon. (The question was rhetorical in other words, not literal.)
You're asking what started the fire wagon when you were on it. Does that make a lot of sense? It looks your vote on Fire at first was a distancing attempt and your quote above was an out to allow yourself to backtrack.
Is guilt by association all you have?.
I'm going by what I see. Are you saying we shouldn't be trying to look for connections?
Dybek had just dropped a vote on SSF in a similar fashion that Firestarter did, and IcemanE called him out on it.
The last question is rhetorical btw, but it's quite straightfoward though, so you probably already knew.
@sekinj, nice quintuple posting. An attempt to boost your total posts? Yeah, I'm on to you.sekinj wrote:reading SSF's posts I can understand the suspicion. however, if we are basing it mostly on lurking, let's open our eyes a little:
Here a few of our lurkers:
Armix - I know, you are thinking, who? yeah, he has posted one time. he replaced someone who had posted 2 times.
DBE - Yes, adel brought attention to her by claiming she intentionally put ice at L-1. with a total of 10 posts to her name, I doubt she knew the votecount, and I really doubt voting her is going to encourage participation.
Harvey pew - 7 total posts. votes fire, then switches to crazy after pressure from ice... these look pretty scummy.
Walt - 8 posts... notice the self-congratulation after the lynch...
If we want to shine some light on these lurkers I'd like some answers from harvey pew expecially.
@harvey: Why did you switch your vote to crazy at the say-so of ice? what do you think of crazy now?
The only time armlx posted was to say he'll be back Tuesday. Just turned Tuesday though.
I agree with hearing more from Harvey.
@Harvey, at one point, you mentioned reading over the ice and Crazy cases at the time and said that you found Crazy to be worse and voted accordingly. When you said worse, did you mean in comparison to iceman? If you found iceman even a tad scummy, why call him an "inno"?-
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I'm lovers with arlmx. Still don't know what's with him. He hasn't said anything in daytalk since he left.
Mod, is it too early to prod him?He's posting in other threads so maybe he forgot he was in this game.
@Cerebus and Harvey, so I'm guessing you two are lovers. Can either of you explain why Harvey voted Fire then said he had no idea what he was doing and turned around and voted Crazy? Did you discuss anything in your daytalk about voting Crazy or Fire? Why did you go your separate ways?-
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Finished catching up. I'm going to be addressing several people, so if I quote a post by you, I'm probably talking to you there.
I've read RR's case against Cerebus and his subsequent defense to it. I'm still not completely satisfied. Cerebus seems more interested in defending himself than doing anything else, and he don't even have the most votes on him. I saw that he was going to do a reread, so still looking forward to that.
How did you not know that ice also thought he knew the scumtell? That was the reason that started the whole discussion with Crazy and iceman arguing back and forth, which I believe is also when you voiced your opinion and said ice fit your town meta of him.cere wrote:
Here, RR seems to think that my argument is tied to IcemanE, which it is not. I never said IcemanE would not be guilty of this as well if the scum-tell turned out to be a sham, but just because I am lazy, can you please show me where IcemanE says that he knows what the scum tell is? I remember him speculating that it would probably have something to do with voting patterns, but I don't think he ever said that he knew for a fact what it is.RR wrote:
Here he completely ignores that Iceman claimed to know the scumtell as well. If he really thought the scumtell was completely made up, why defend Iceman instead if treating him with the same amount of doubt he treated Crazy with? Then later:cere, post 7 wrote:Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.
Ummm, what? This was the only thing you mentioned regarding your unvote of Fire:Harvey Pew wrote:
I thought about point-by-point defence, but I don't see the need with such epic reaching. Essentially RR thinks I am scum because I haven't posted a lot, I voted incorrectly on the D1 lynch and posted the thinking behind my vote.Raging Rabbit wrote:Harvey Pew...
I don't see how that explains much of anything. I thought you voted Fire because you and your lover decided so, but according to him, you haven't talked at all. Are you admitting that you hopped on a bandwagon for completely no reason?HP wrote: Firstly, my Firestarter vote looks really weak. I apologise, I don't know what I read into your posts but I can't see it today:
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I don't know what the hell Adel is talking about. What exactly is he onto here? You're saying if no scum were on the Day 1 lynch, then the scum must be in non-voters (in addition to people who had votes that were not on iceman, I assume). Really. How did you ever figure that out? The two people with the most votes are OF and kloud (wolf). They both were not on the iceman lynch. What does that mean? Should we give up and start over? Iceman's wagon picked up pretty quickly, so scum could've stayed off and it wouldn't even matter. What difference does it make if we go after people who have been acting scummy instead? I also notice that you bring this up when both you and your lover aren't on the wagon. Quite convenient.Harvey Pew wrote:
Sorry if I was unclear but the line I was taking back was "33% 27% 40% six off 22% two on 44% four on" which is meaningless without contextsekinj wrote:@hp: I don't think you can take something like that back.not"you'd be better off scum-hunting in the nine lynchers than the rest."
The percentages are actually my thinking about that scum hunting. If there were no scum on the lynch then you should look in the non-voters, but there are two mafia factions and if the second faction put any weight into the lynch the percentages are about equal, and if the werewolves considered bussing its even better. Although I don't believe there was bussing, while one-on one-off would seem reasonable I'm not sure it would work as well in a lover game.
This is regarding kloud's post against pwnz. Why do you need to discuss it beforehand? If you are both town, how does voicing suspicions hurt?Alabaska J wrote:kloud we should have talked this over
not that your case is bad, but still
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I still think that's extremely weak if your case is only built on that. I didn't know your scumtell when you mentioned it and I was fairly certain it wouldn't clear someone completely. Even Adel's super secret scumtell was based on speculation. It's not foolproof. Tell me one scumtell that would clear someone 100%, not just in this game, in any. If mafia is that easy, I don't think anyone would play.Crazy wrote:
No. The case on OF is because he voted me for assuming that Adel was town in regards to the scum-tell. He claimed to not know what the scum-tell was, so how would he even know if it would clear someone of being town or not?Knight of Cydonia wrote:Basically, OF is deliberately misinterpreting Crazy's posts in particular, and is trying to jump onto a wagon that already died yesterday. His case makes sense, right up until you read the posts before and after those he "creatively interprets".-
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Why can a wagon not be restarted? Once a wagon dies, that person is lynch-immune? I agree that from what I skimmed of OF's post, it seemed like he was making quite a bit of assumptions, but I don't see how trying to start a wagon again is scummy in itself, especially when people only got off Crazy's wagon to pursue other's that were more scummy.Knight of Cydonia wrote:Basically, OF is deliberately misinterpreting Crazy's posts in particular, and is trying to jump onto a wagon that already died yesterday. His case makes sense, right up until you read the posts before and after those he "creatively interprets".-
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Doesn't explaining it now negate the entire purpose of it? What about the 8 people who aren't voting? What about the other 7 or so people that have the only single vote on a person? That's half of the players right there.Adel wrote:Anyone who places a vote on any of those three wagons from now to deadline is going to have to have a good explanation for it. I created a scenario where any last minute votes will have consequences. I am making last minute votes more accountable.-
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Knight of Cydonia wrote:RR + sekinj have swayed me. That is an incredible amount of flip-flop.
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Please point out said flip-flopping for me. I'm inclined to believe that both of you are just hopping on the bandwagon without even bothering to check facts.Cephrir wrote:sekinj's post does illustrate cere's flip-flopping pretty damn well. Gah.
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Well, besides completely ignoring my question, you're also not going back to double check anything at all.Knight of Cydonia wrote:
I read back, and it's all good.sekinj's case on cerebus wrote: Post 1: votes crazy, goes after him about the adel scumtell thing
Post 3: unvotes crazy, says he misread
Post 5: says ice is townie, votes crazy again
Post 9: “Crazy is so full of shit right now I fear for the next toilet that he encounters.”
Post 15: dilemma about crazy knowing/not knowing the scum tell
Post 16: votes fire
Post 17: says he agrees with ice
Post 18: unvotes fire
Post 20: “I think the firestarter/IcemanE lynch is the right move”
(Then on Day 2 Cerebus has spent his time trying to defend his D1 posts)
It is just amazing to me how much cere’s opinion change from post to post. Look especially at his voting patterns. Also, in this huge game he has made a total of 29 posts. Talk about active lurking. He seems to only come back to place a vote, a vote that is opposite of where ever he was previously.
First of all, this is cerebus' post 18:
Sekinj's case says he unvoted Fire here. I have no idea where she came up with that. He never unvotes Fire.cerebus3, post 18 wrote:I have this warm in fuzzy feeling inside being in someone's sig.
During Day 1, Cerebus' vote has only been on Crazy, besides when he switched to Fire. Show me where he has flip flopped on Crazy. He pushed for Crazy's lynch for the majority of Day 1.
Cerebus has also agreed with ice for the majority of Day 1. Besides when ice revealed he was lovers with Fire, show me where he has flip flopped agreeing with ice.
To Cephrir, charter, KoC, and Crazy:if you think Cerebus is scum, which faction do you believe he belongs to?
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What makes you group those two players together?KoC wrote: And I did skim, but you're right. I asume sekinj mis-numbered, unless it was deliberate fabrication... explain, sekinj, or I'm looking really hard at you. I think Cerebus is a wolf,and I wouldn't put it past sekinj and adel to be mafia nowgoing by this incredible bit of bullcrap, which instantly makes me think - LAL.-
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So...you intentionally didn't vote, correct? Tell me why you did so again?Harvey Pew wrote:
Yes, we both, without consulting each other, voted no-one. Obvious?
Well it was pretty obvious who they'd be voting.54: Calls for people to make a relevant vote, but manages to miss Cerebus and Harvey completely.
Same question to cerebus,did you intentionally not vote or did you miss deadline?
I'll try to read Sekinj and Cephrir tonight. I didn't read Darox's post as it seemed much like a summary. Sekinj's extremely weak "flip flopping" case on cerebus seemed to me as an excuse to hop on the cerebus wagon. Cephrir+Charter's agreement of said weak case also struck me as odd. Charter just seems to be following his lover and not giving his own opinion.-
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Blerrrgh. I'll have more time on the weekends to post.
I would like a more in depth reason...or just a reason...or anything.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:So, I am gonna do what I did in said postvote Harveyand if you guys want a more in depth reason as to why..well...I'll have to do it later cos im miffed at MS at the moment.
I don't remember hearing much from you during Day 2, if at all, about your suspicions. Doing a quick look back, you didn't even bother to voice your opinion on the two major wagons, kloud and cerebus, or anyone for that matter. Your vote was on kloud for the majority of Day 2, placing it on dybeck at the start, then it remained there unchanged until deadline. You haven't said anything the entire day that was related, besides telling DBE to vote kloud as well. You were the first to vote dybeck, yet as his wagon slowly built, you've said nothing. Why play so passively?ThAdmiral wrote:
Anything in particular. I'm happy to answer questions by any and all.WaltWishbone wrote:I'd like to hear more from dbe and thAd
Day 3, after 5 votes are on HP, you hop on the wagon for his "appeal to emotions", basically parroting what KoC has said previously. What I see in common between your votes is that you wait until others have built up a case, or at least place pressure on someone, before you decide to vote. In the same posts that you place your vote, your reasons for doing so are usually one liners and you don't really go into more detail. All of your votes so far seem extremely opportunistic.
When I have more time, I'll reread Admiral more carefully and some other people.
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Yeah, I meant pairs.
I don't know if you mean Admiral's vote or mine. Admiral's vote isn't bad. Well it in the opportunistic sense, but otherwise, if scum is voting scum, I don't see what's wrong with that. HP already has majority vote. If I tack my vote on as well, what difference will that make? I think my vote is much better where it is.-
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Your vote on him is mainly forThAdmiral wrote: In reference to my vote on Harvey, I voted for him mainly because of his exceptionally badpostin which he displayed hypocrisy (i.e. doing the thing he was accusing someone else of) and also quoted someone out of context, which in my mind is a no-no.onepost of his? You don't care to reflect on any of his other posts?
Do you think HP is mafia or werewolf?
I'm pretty sure I included the adverb,ThAdmiral wrote: Secondly there are two examples of contradictory stances by yourself:
Firstly you say that I was playing passively on the kloud wagon, but you concede that I tried to get dbe to vote for kloud as well.besides, when referring to you telling DBE to vote. Only telling your lover to vote doesn't excuse doing nothing for the rest of the day. I don't see what argument you're trying to make here. You're telling DBE to blindly vote with you a couple day before deadline. Yeah, I'm sure that really sealed the case on kloud for everyone else. You didn't bother to give additional reasons for his wagon. You didn't bother saying what you thought of kloud's posts, if it supported your thoughts that dybeck was scum or not. That's not considered passive playing?
I don't understand what you're trying to show me here. People that you voted were already wagons established by others, besides dybeck. Hopping on a wagon isn't opportunistic? With dybeck, you didn't feel the need to make sure that your vote was in the right place? In hindsight, you probably should've, right?TheAdmiral wrote: You also say that I vote opportunistically but concede that I voted for dybeck at the start of the day. In fact if you look back through the game you will find that I have hardly ever changed my vote off someone when I have placed it, which would indicate I am not just opportunistically putting my vote on whoever I feel.
When I say that your vote on dybeck seems opportunistic, it's because during Day 1, when people were questioning dybeck, you only popped in to drop a few comments, which seem would help you determine your decision for the next day. First, you mention that dybeck seemed like scum trying to stay off the wagon of a townie. Then, you go on to say that dybeck seems more like trying to save his scum partner. If ice flipped town, what would you have done? Would you not have went back to your previous position, that dybeck was scum defending a townie?
I read your posts in isolation without bothering to look back at the context, and went by memory instead. I've read your posts before voting you. It only took 5 minutes, if that.ThAdmiral wrote: These problems with your post probably come down to that fact, and you seem to admit this yourself in your last line, that you haven't really read up on my play before voting me.-
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Why would you feel the need to? You aren't even lovers.Darox wrote: I can't account for Raging Rabbits voting habits.
More like 3 votes out of 4? Crazy, iceman, and now HP. With dybeck, others were questioning his play the day prior. It's possible you tried to preemptively vote him in hopes of other people following. I mean, look at all of your votes. I might believe you weren't just hopping on wagons if you continue in the discussions, but you don't. You voted Crazy, useless post in between, switch vote to iceman. And the only thing you say to ice is, "convince me you're town", then nothing till his lynch. Vote dybeck, nothing till lynch.ThAdmiral wrote:
So you're basing this off the two times I've voted, and one of them doesn't even back up your argument. Good point.SleepyPanda wrote:
I don't understand what you're trying to show me here. People that you voted were already wagons established by others, besides dybeck. Hopping on a wagon isn't opportunistic? With dybeck, you didn't feel the need to make sure that your vote was in the right place? In hindsight, you probably should've, right?TheAdmiral wrote: You also say that I vote opportunistically but concede that I voted for dybeck at the start of the day. In fact if you look back through the game you will find that I have hardly ever changed my vote off someone when I have placed it, which would indicate I am not just opportunistically putting my vote on whoever I feel.
Yes, I agree. But like you said, you stated where your suspicions lie. Up to Day 2, you found Crazy, ice, and dybeck suspicious. Ice was lynched, so your only other two suspicions were Crazy and dybeck. I'm guessing you'd have gone after one or the other. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Did you have any other suspicions at the time? Are you suspicious of anyone now besides HP?ThAdmiral wrote:
Probably not, in the same way that you probably would not be voting me right now if Dybeck had turned up scum. Lynch results will always determine what one does and different results generally lead to different outcomes.SleepyPanda wrote:When I say that your vote on dybeck seems opportunistic, it's because during Day 1, when people were questioning dybeck, you only popped in to drop a few comments, which seem would help you determine your decision for the next day. First, you mention that dybeck seemed like scum trying to stay off the wagon of a townie. Then, you go on to say that dybeck seems more like trying to save his scum partner. If ice flipped town, what would you have done? Would you not have went back to your previous position, that dybeck was scum defending a townie?-
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I still prefer my vote on Admiral.
Even though DBE seems to have V/LA, the times that she doesn't andwassuppose to have made a substantial post, she says she lost her post and then doesn't bother following up on it.
WWB, I assume that last post was directed to HP?
WWB's response to a little pressure does strike me as a bit odd. Why get so frustrated over two people voting you?
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Focusing on other people was the point. If we only focused on you, THEN it would be a wasted day.HP wrote: Also you have managed to waste the entire day chasing after the runners-up to the previous day's lynch. If/when I die the town is going to have tremendous difficulty finding evidence for new suspects since today has just been a re-heat of yesterday with no new pairs subject to serious scrutiny.-
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It doesn't matter if they were only pressuring you or if they thought you were really scum. They're still focusing on you, the result is the same.
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They're not scumtells in and of themselves. If someone uses foul language all the time, then obviously it would be moot. I rather judge an individual on their own merits. The use of foul language and sarcasm is not odd by itself. It's the shift between your level-headed play prior and the much more aggressive tone you take up after being under suspicion.
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I believe I already have.
I'm not lecturing you. I'm not your mother. I don't care if you use foul language or if you patronize others. I'm noting you because I haven't played with TS as much as I have with you. I don't have anything to compare her playstyle with. Her first post was that she'd crack the game in 15 minutes. Maybe her playstyle is just wild.
They're not scumtells in and of themselves.If someone uses foul language all the time, then obviously it would be moot.I rather judge an individual on their own merits. The use of foul language and sarcasm is not odd by itself.It's the shift between your level-headed play prior and the much more aggressive tone you take up after being under suspicion.
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It's not entirely based on just activity that makes you two scummy. Even though she is V/LA, she can still read, right? She has done almost zero scumhunting. With her last two votes (for iceman and HP, she didn't vote Day 2), both times, she said she had a longer post, but the site had an error and it disappeared. With no follow up, it's basically placing a vote with no reason at all. I would even buy "I'm just following my lover" than the excuse she has given. I would still like to hear her reasons for her votes, but I'm guessing she'll say something like she forgot.ThAdmiral wrote:TO ALL: I don't know where darla is either. I would also like her to post more. However - I don't really see why this makes us seem scummy. Why does more active = town? I'm trying to get on and talk as much as possible, but I am also trying to enjoy my holiday in new york - hence you may not get as much out of me as other people.-
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You're not going to read anything if it doesn't pertain to Crazy and KOC? What about the other wagons? Do you think they're all town?Battle Mage wrote:
This is where i'm at. I dont see alot of point me continuing reading when you're the only person who knows i'm here, and you're not being totally helpful.Battle Mage wrote:well i would apologise for my absence, but it seems i havent missed much. No Lover, No response to my accusation on Crazy/KoC. *cries*
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Nope, she didn't.ThAdmiral wrote: To be fair I think she has said that.
My vote was on Fire. When ice announced that he and Fire were lovers, there was no reason to move my vote as he was already the leading bandwagon by quite a lot.WWB wrote: Scumish to neutral - Possible Werewolves or Mafia
Sleepy Panda/Armix (pm) - Niether Sleepy Panda or Armix voted for Fire/Ice either, Sleepy Panda made the same comment as OF regarding a vote on Ice at L2, however did not vote for him in the final count.
If HP were to flip scum, would you find Cephrir's last minute arbitrary vote on HP more or less scummy? The result wouldn't change regardless.
Why aren't these two filed under "scum to neutral" instead of "townish"? Why will they not be considered scummy until they do something scummy? If everyone were to lurk, would you consider them all "townish" then?WWB wrote: Townish
ThAd/Darla - It is not so much I consider ThAd/dbe town as they just have not posted enough to make me suspect they are scum. I would not feel right voting for them on lurking and dbe's L2 vote alone, however there lack of participation is hurting the town's chance.
BattleMage (ssf)/Clockwork (ea) - I am really looking forward to reading Clockworks evaluation on the game so far. I think BM is just a litle too focused on crazy, however he has not done anything really that has made me suspect him or to join the wagon which has formed on him.
Aqree with this.Raging Rabbit wrote:Vote ThAdmiral, for sticking to the backround, jumping on all four significant wagons for unconvincing reasons while not doing any other real scumhunting, and only putting actual effort into self preservation after Panda attacked him.
The vote analysis above I believe is an attempt to appear to be actively scumhunting without having to really commit himself to anything, thus he supplies us with dry neutral information.Vote:ThAdmiral-
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Prod picked up. I've caught up on what I've missed but skipped the daytalk posts for now.
This comes off as highly suspicious to me. Majority has already agreed to posting DT, and some have even done so when you posted this, but you feel the need to read through the thread first? Please tell me how it benefits town if your unwillingness to post DT is causing the game to slow down since we'd all have to wait for you to complete your read-through before you post your DT so we can continue. From how I see it, if you are scum and you replaced into the game, you'd be at a disadvantage and would prefer to finish reading the thread first, which is what you're doing.CR wrote: Just like you to take out everything else I said;
Please tell me how it benefits the town for me not to have read the game thoroughly and follow my lover blindly? To me Reading > Daytalk right now, until I get caught up.
Doesn't this apply directly to how you're tunnel visioning on Crazy since like, Day 1? You act as if kloud and HP pairs have done nothing scummy. In fact, you even voted kloud at one point. So were you being led into an easy lynch, just following everyone else?charter wrote: Do you (that are town) not realize that you're being led right on into easy lynches? It happened the past two days, it will probably happen again today. I don't understand why townies in practically every game I play let this happen to them. They see something that they don't like or isn't what they would do, get tunnel vision, lynch the townie, then do it again the next day.
Cephrir wrote: Like seriously, do you think Cephscum would have made up those times without, y'know, cross referencing charter's post to see how many posts I was supposed to have? Srsly.
If your DT times and posts do not sync up, that is your fault. Both you and charter refuse to combine them together and instead do it separately. You act as if we shouldn't be questioning it at all. Get ready to smack me. You're the one that is using it as a defense to say that scum would be more careful and since your time and posts don't match up, it must be a town tell. I hate to break it to you, but that is pure WIFOM. So you're saying I argue something like, since both of you decided to post DT posts and times separately, then make an obvious error that surely scum would never make, would, in fact, actually be something scumCephrir wrote: Also, your post fails to address my 1686. What could possibly compel me to screw up the number of posts like that unless it were true. If you use the word WIFOM in your answer to this I will find a way to smack you through the internet.would doto try and outsmart town players into thinking they would not be so stupid, is a scumtell. Oh, and don't say it's WIFOM either, or I'll smack you.
Yeah, because you include such important and relevant posts such as "me-blast" and "me-i know". What was the point of leaving such inconsequential posts in and then deciding to remove other posts?charter wrote: DID YOU PEOPLE NOT SEE THAT I OMITTED DUMB STUPID OFF TOPIC POSTS? WE TALKED ABOUT NON GAME RELATED STUFF THAT I SEE NO POINT IN INCLUDING HERE.
Are you implying that you think we're mafia here? Because it confuses me with what you said in the same post below.charter wrote: Well, I'll see who armlx scumpartners are.
You're saying armlx wasn't on iceman's wagon. I'm guessing you're saying he's possible werewolf here then? Make up your mind. Do you think he's mafia or werewolf? I also like how you're completely ignoring me as his partner. Please go back and look at what happened on Day 1. I was pushing for a Fire lynch before they had even revealed they were lovers. How does trying to push a lynch on his lover suppose to help prevent their lynch?charter wrote: Oh, look at what I found, armlx wasn't on icemans wagon, and was on Kloud's and HP's. Now he's on another townie's as well! Are the rest of you guys going to let him get away with lynching townies at will? Seriously?
I'm pretty inactive during the weekdays and I've never felt a need to converse with my partner before posting my thoughts. Most of my suspicions, I've just posted straight into the game thread. If armlx agrees or disagrees, he can just as easily say so after. I'm almost certain you can even see how our gameplay reflects how little we used our DT. Most of the time we aren't voting the same person or even on the same train of thought.neko wrote: Armlx and SP- even more sparse. The lack of dt before armlx makes sense due to pacman's nonexistence in the game, but the lack of dt upon his arrival is questionable.
Also, from what I looked over, if you remove your Day 1 posts and all the sexually related off topic discussion in your daytalk, it would look almost as sparse as ours.
I am however, in complete agreement with armlx here.Vote: charter
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charter wrote: How is voting you because you're buddying up to the extreme, and encouraging others to do the same, OMGUS? Only scum buddy, you could be a different scumgroup than Crazy, where did I say Crazy was town? I'm pretty sure I've never said or thought that this game, I don't know where you get that from.
Sheep, as in he's town being led? Oh, what's this, KOC is lovers with Crazy. The same Crazy you believe is scum. Getting mixed up in your webs of lies?charter wrote:
Because you are one of the sheep I'm talking about that is blindly following him because he's buddied up to you so well.Knight of Cydonia wrote:Because armlx sez, lol
Nice. How about actually contributing and tell me what isn't right?charter wrote:Please read the game then get back to me.-
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I like how you ignore my questions and just respond to what you want.
Wouldn't this strengthen your case on Crazy then? What made you believe armlx is more likely to be scum than Crazy?charter wrote:Because he is following armlx after armlx buddies up to him.
Since you didn't answer my question of what scum faction you believe armlx is in or whether you think Crazy is still scum or not, what do you mean by buddying up? That armlx and Crazy are from different scum factions buddying up to one another?
Once again, what faction do you believe armlx is in? What faction do you believe Crazy is in?-
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That's right. Keep ignoring my questions and hope that I'll forget eventually so you won't have to answer. Sorry, but I'm going to include them in every post of mine until you do answer. See how long you'll continue to ignore me.Once again, what faction do you believe armlx is in? What faction do you believe Crazy is in?
How about you take your own advice and read the game. I voted you. It's because I didn't unvote.
Unvote, Vote: charter-
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Questions for charter waiting to be answered wrote: Once again, what faction do you believe armlx is in? What faction do you believe Crazy is in?
No, how about you answer my questions first. Why are you still continuing to post and ignoring my questions? You've responded at least four times already since I've asked you. Are they that difficult? You need some help? I know exactly why you don't want to answer them.charter wrote: How about, if you lynch armlx and he isn't scum, I will vote for myself.
What will we have to lose? If you're claiming to be town yourself and that you're willing to lynch yourself when we flip town, it's obvious what we will lose. That's plain idiotic. You've even admitted to not wanting to contribute if there's a chance you'll be lynched. That's downright unhelpful. If you are indeed town, which I don't see how would be possible, how you've played so far is absolutely horrible.charter wrote:How about, if you lynch armlx and he isn't scum, I will vote for myself. Should be easy to lynch me if armlx comes up town. What do you have to lose?
Please, show me the massive amounts of contributions you have made to this game. I hope you're not going to include self-sacrifice and giving up in the list. Oh, and if you're actually still reading this,charter wrote:I hope not as they have done nothing useful the whole game (useful being trying to lynch scum).answer my questions at the top of this post first.-
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Since it's apparent you're never going to answer me, I'll tell you why you don't want to answer.
You think Crazy is scum, and that he's not part of the werewolves faction as for the exchange between him and iceman on Day 1. You even mention this in your daytalk I believe. So that means that you think he's part of mafia.
Now, with armlx, you never explicitly said what faction you think he's in. But it's obvious once you put a little thought into it. You think he's scum as well. However, you don't think armlx and Crazy are in the same factions. You can tell because you repeatedly refer to armlx buddying up to Crazy. I really don't think you would use the term "buddying up" if you thought they were in the same scum faction. Also, you don't think Crazy is town either. You can find several times where you mention that you still think Crazy is scum, during Day 4. Put all that together and what possibility are we left with? That you believe armlx to be werewolf. But what do you say in the post below? Looks to me like a bit of contradiction.
But hey, at least I agree with you on the bolded!charter wrote: Now that I think about that, I'm going to go back and find who were those pushing for lynching werewolves after day one.I'd bet there's a pretty good chance they are actually mafia.I think it's distinctively better for the town to not lynch werewolves next, as then the mafia know exactly who all the townies are. If we lynch mafia next, then all the scum are still guessing.
After being so positively sure that Crazy is scum, and I'm sure you still think he is, what made you decide to gun for armlx? Explain to me why you want to go after werewolves now. Explain to me why you call KOC a sheep. Explain to me why you aren't dead yet.-
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