Open 86 - Lovers Multiball (Game Over)

[OpposedForce]

Post 1-8- Supports massclaim and argues for it.
Post 9- Abandons oringal arguement and takes adel's statement about scumtell.
Post 10-13 Votes me and defends scumtell statement
Post 16-17- Post 16 pressures iceman and them post 17 defends adel

I severely doubt Adel is scum. That would mean this whole "secret scumtell" is bull

False dilemma. Adel knowing about the tell and Adel being scum are not exclusive scenarios.

It also flies in the face of him saying that he knows what the scum tell is.

unvote, vote :Crazy

It is possible that someone can be town and not know about it.
It is not possible that someone can be scum and still know about it.

This is not a false dilemma. If Adel is scum, then she's pulling a really weird bluff

.

Post 18- Accuses Iceman of being anti-town for not taking word on Adel's scumtell.
Post 19-22- Keeps pressuring on Iceman claiming he knows fully the scumtell and that iceman is scum for pretending not to notice.

What I see is Crazy defending adel as town as well as the scumtell. Adel isn't even confirmed town and Crazy is already assuming she is and following the scumtell. Attacking a person for a statement from someone and stating their town is pretty scummy.

[Adel]

I think it is called buddying up. Is it worth a vote?

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speaking of votes, people are being way conservative with their votes so far. This isn't a mini.

The first person to place the 9th vote on someone gets a brownie.
Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!

[Crazy]

What I see is Crazy defending adel as town as well as the scumtell. Adel isn't even confirmed town and Crazy is already assuming she is and following the scumtell. Attacking a person for a statement from someone and stating their town is pretty scummy.

This is stupid. Look at it my way:

-Adel knows about said scum-tell and made a point to actually bring it up.
-I have a feeling I know what she is talking about, so a secret scum-tell

does

actually exist.

The only way that Adel is scum is the following:

Adel made up the fact that there is a secret-scumtell and somehow got lucky since there actually

is

one.

I am about 90% sure Adel is town. I am about equally sure Iceman is scum. This post I quoted a second ago really settles it:

Or, as you state, it's possible I am thinking of something different. Regardless, the tell I'm thinking of is only possible if the mass-claim doesn't happen for a few days, so I think what I've got in mind is accurate.

Here he says that he has an idea what we're talking about, correct? Yet he's still voting me for pretending that this scum-tell exists. If he

really

has this idea that he states, why would he still be voting me?

Defending someone for a good reason is not scummy. Attacking someone for a good reason is not scummy. You must see Iceman's hypocrisy there. Even if you don't see the tell, you should be able to see that.

I think it is called buddying up. Is it worth a vote?

I'm not buddying up. I don't even like you.

[cerebus3]

Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.

[Crazy]

Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.

Hmm, good point. Either way Iceman is probably scum, though, for voting me

while

saying he *might* see this scum-tell.

Right?

[charter]

Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.

Hmm, good point. Either way Iceman is probably scum, though...

This leads me to think two things. One you are scum, and two, you know Iceman to be town.

unvote, vote Crazy

[Crazy]

Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.

Hmm, good point. Either way Iceman is probably scum, though...

This leads me to think two things. One you are scum, and two, you know Iceman to be town.

unvote, vote Crazy

So you're saying pushing for a lynch is scummy?

You have any way to back this?

Or do you want to respond to my actual points, maybe?

[Crazy]

And btw, the chainsaw defense sucks.

[charter]

So you're saying pushing for a lynch is scummy?

You have any way to back this?

Or do you want to respond to my actual points, maybe?

No, no, and no.

[Crazy]

So you're saying pushing for a lynch is scummy?

You have any way to back this?

Or do you want to respond to my actual points, maybe?

No, no, and no.

I am pushing for Iceman's lynch. That is why you are voting me. Yet, you say pushing for a lynch is not scummy. Correct me where I'm wrong, please.

[charter]

You're wrong when you tell me why I'm voting you.

[cerebus3]

Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.

Hmm, good point. Either way Iceman is probably scum, though, for voting me

while

saying he *might* see this scum-tell.

Right?

No.

[Crazy]

Or adel is making it up completely, and you are running with it to buddy up to her.

Hmm, good point. Either way Iceman is probably scum, though, for voting me

while

saying he *might* see this scum-tell.

Right?

No.

He's saying that he might actually see what I'm talking about.

He is voting me because he thinks I'm making up all this garbage about a scum-tell.

Contradiction, much?

Now you explain your defense of Iceman.

You're wrong when you tell me why I'm voting you.

Okay, why are you voting me, then?

Guys, quit it with the short posts that are saying nothing, when you know what my response is going to be. It's really annoying.

[charter]

You're agreeing that you're buddying and are unwilling to think that iceman isn't scum. I don't think he is scum.

[SleepyPanda]

This scumtell discussion is just silly. Does knowing the scumtell make you less scummy? I don't know what it is, does that mean I'm scum? We have two people arguing that they know what the scumtell is and that the other is pretending to know, but they can't say it or it ruins it, so they can't prove if they know it or not. You're not getting anywhere.

Iceman, why are you talking about role PMs and saying that unless Crazy got a special message, he doesn't know what the scumtell is? There's no other way for Crazy to know what the scumtell is?

Crazy, how are you so sure that Adel is town? There are two scum factions. It's not possible for her to be in one and try to eliminate the other? How do you go from pushing for massclaim, then when Adel mentions the words "secret scumtell", you immediately know what she's talking about and go along with her?

[Crazy]

Aww, crap, Panda's in this game.

This scumtell discussion is just silly. Does knowing the scumtell make you less scummy? I don't know what it is, does that mean I'm scum? We have two people arguing that they know what the scumtell is and that the other is pretending to know, but they can't say it or it ruins it, so they can't prove if they know it or not. You're not getting anywhere.

PANDA, IT IS SOMETHING THAT ONLY TOWNIES WOULD KNOW!!! I can't say anything more without revealing what it is. Not all townies might catch it, but THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT SCUM WOULD KNOW WHAT IT IS.

Crazy, how are you so sure that Adel is town? There are two scum factions. It's not possible for her to be in one and try to eliminate the other? How do you go from pushing for massclaim, then when Adel mentions the words "secret scumtell", you immediately know what she's talking about and go along with her?

THE SCUMTELL IS SOMETHING ONLY TOWNIES WOULD KNOW. Originally, I didn't see how a mass-claim would hurt the scum-tell; in fact, it doesn't hurt it directly, but now I realize that some stupid townies could mess it up if we had the mass-claim.

[Adel]

Knowing a scumtell has nothing to do with alignment.

I am about 90% sure Adel is town. I am about equally sure Iceman is scum.

I'm 99.9997% sure this line is bullshit.

The only thing Crazy can really be sure of is that I am not in his scum group.

unvote, vote:Crazy

hello, it is only day 1 in game with more that 20 players. Nobody can be sure of anyone else's alignment.

[Crazy]

Knowing a scumtell has nothing to do with alignment.

Holy crap, you mean I didn't know what you were talking about? Okay, so now I know nothing about your alignment.

Then it appears that I have a scumtell of my own, then, the one that I've been referring to this whole time. That coincidentally also would work better without a mass-claim and is something that scum would have no idea of. I suggest keeping me alive until Day 3/4 at least so I can reveal what it is. K? If I don't have anything then, you can lynch me. Really, what's the harm in this unless you're scum?

[OpposedForce]

What I see is Crazy defending adel as town as well as the scumtell. Adel isn't even confirmed town and Crazy is already assuming she is and following the scumtell. Attacking a person for a statement from someone and stating their town is pretty scummy.

This is stupid. Look at it my way:

-Adel knows about said scum-tell and made a point to actually bring it up.
-I have a feeling I know what she is talking about, so a secret scum-tell

does

actually exist.

The only way that Adel is scum is the following:

Adel made up the fact that there is a secret-scumtell and somehow got lucky since there actually

is

one.

I am about 90% sure Adel is town. I am about equally sure Iceman is scum. This post I quoted a second ago really settles it.

There is no way in hell that you can find one person absolutely town from statement. Pressing on a person because they don't know a certian thing is anti-town.

[cerebus3]

Crazy is so full of shit right now I fear for the next toilet that he encounters.

[Crazy]

Also,

Unvote: Iceman

since my vote on him required that I knew what Adel was talking about... I think.

Vote Charter

. With all his nonsense talking and mindless hopping on my bandwagon, he's my new top suspect.

[Cephrir]

Yeah, Pwnz's vote is a little troublesome, but that could just be that he knows what we're talking about and doesn't want to spill any information.

Yea, as if. I just want to see someone lynched.

*hugs vote*

Hmm, good point. Either way Iceman is probably scum, though, for voting me while saying he *might* see this scum-tell.

No, there are a few good reasons to vote you right now.

This scumtell discussion is just silly. Does knowing the scumtell make you less scummy? I don't know what it is, does that mean I'm scum? We have two people arguing that they know what the scumtell is and that the other is pretending to know, but they can't say it or it ruins it, so they can't prove if they know it or not. You're not getting anywhere.

This.

PANDA, IT IS SOMETHING THAT ONLY TOWNIES WOULD KNOW!!! I can't say anything more without revealing what it is. Not all townies might catch it, but THERE IS NO CHANCE THAT SCUM WOULD KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I can't think of any information townies would have that scum wouldn't in this setup, and I can't think of a single thing that a scum would be incapable of thinking of just because they're scum. Basically, I agree with Adel.

Unvote, Vote Crazy

(And still

FoS pwnz

)

[Cephrir]

Triple simulpost. Crazy's charter vote makes me even happier with mine on him. "Mindless" equals lies and slander.

[Crazy]

"Scum-tell" is not an accurate word for what I have. It's more like this is the AITP and I know the identity of the king and nobody else does.

Keep me alive until Day 3/4 and you will see what I thought Adel's scum-tell was.

You have nothing to lose

because in fact, if I am full of crap, then you'll have no trouble lynching me.

[Crazy]

(How many PMs from the mod do you have in your inbox?)

Don't answer that now.