Mini 734 - GrimMafia - OVER

[zwetschenwasser]

vote: ectomancer

Sounds like an evil wizard.

[zwetschenwasser]

What just happened?

Vote: Ectomancer

[zwetschenwasser]

Of the two, this one concerns me more:

zwetschenwasser wrote:
What just happened?

Vote: Ectomancer


You have no idea what happened, yet you decide to vote.

unvote, vote zwetschenwasser

OMGUS?

[zwetschenwasser]

How is my response questionable? I like thinking you're an evil wizard...

Ecto: Overreaction much?

Beyond-Birthday: You're trying to control the action and convince the world that you're the most involved by prodding people. I don't see any reason why we can't still post cute stuff.

[zwetschenwasser]

I already answered that I was joking when I said I was confused, and I liked voting for the same person twice, as your name does sound like an evil wizard. Sheesh, lighten up!

[zwetschenwasser]

Well, Sipylus, what the hell do you want me to say, what could be meaningful at this point in the game? Not much if anything.

Blah post. He's trying to pretend that he's posting content and not actively lurking. minor FoS: Zero

Springlullaby: What don't you like? I was joking about not knowing what's going on, and Ecto thought I meant it, so I set him straight.

[zwetschenwasser]

I disagree. And I don't really understand this speedlynch philosophy.

[zwetschenwasser]

Interesting...

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[zwetschenwasser]

Zero is actively lurking, and JereIC is trying to squeeze his way out of suspicion.

[zwetschenwasser]

What do ellipses have to do with anything?

[zwetschenwasser]

No. By not posting content.

[zwetschenwasser]

You never even asked a question!

[zwetschenwasser]

Ectomancer: Town. Posts good cases that make sense and sticks with them until proven 100% wrong.

BeyondBirthday: A Little Less Town. Provides good justification for his votes, but seems a little too enthusiastic to jump on Zero (while posting a disclaimer that he's not eager to vote on Zero)

Zero: Slight Scum. He's just reiterating pointless rubbish and pretending he asked me a question. Active lurking.

So,

Unvote; Vote: Zero

[zwetschenwasser]

Maybe I could answer your question if you reasked it... Also, I'm voting for you because you're acting antitown, not because I don't like you.

[zwetschenwasser]

Monday! AIIIEEEEGH!!!! Zero, claim now. You're posting garbage, acting antitown, actively lurking, and asking a question that has been more than clarified. The answer as to what we look for in a lynch is exactly your behavior. I'm more than willing to lynch you for your short temper if anyone even hints at suspecting you and I'm very unsatisfied with your "defense"

[zwetschenwasser]

Hey! I'm you in another game I'm playing, Wolf! *U.S. Election Mafia* cough**

[zwetschenwasser]

Maybe he's President Obama, BB. Pablo, I don't quite follow you when you say I'm scum coasting. I've provided my feelings on major players, and am trying to be objective and had good reasons for voting Zero. I understand your reluctance at accepting someone with short posts, but I prefer to not post seventeen feet of reads when I can glean my own information from the thread and put it into practice with a concisely explained vote that others can back with concrete info later. That's not scummy, it's just my playstyle. Wolf can check my meta. Wolf, could you please explain this: 'I would like those with votes on non-wagons (Ecto, Zero, and now Pablo), to explain in detail why these would be better lynches than the wagon (IE- More likely to hit scum, either immediately or down the road) or even semi-wagons (Although some clarification on those would be nice too), already set up, considering that although the deadline is still a few days away, this game seems to be begging for some debate and analysis.'

I don't understand why you added Pablo to your list, or what your list actually means, or your question. You seem quite pro-town, and as I said before, I didn't post my reasons as I knew they would come later.

[zwetschenwasser]

Zero. You are nuts. You're calling us fools, flailing in random emotional pleas. You said you've been the first to go in two other games, yet you forgot to mention that Wolf did a meta on you and found that you actually were more helpful, pro-town, and excited about finding scum in other games. You are lying to your teeth, and taking parts of arguments that you find most appealing, and discarding the rest.

[zwetschenwasser]

100% Unemotional post right above, right?

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I usually see Mafia flailing like that right before they're lynched. He's trying to get people to feel sorry for him for being a noob that was the first one lynched in three games. Well, you know what Zero? I was the first one lynched in all the six games I played in another forum and I'm not whining about it. You sound more and more like scum the more your posts become more whiny. Post something useful, dammit!

[zwetschenwasser]

In a newbie game I'm in the townie that was lynched day 1 made no appeal to emotions at all. He hardly cared that he was being lynched, he simply provided the town with the information he knew and his final opinions and bam.

[zwetschenwasser]

I disagree with you. You've overlooked that Zero had acted much more protown in other games.

[zwetschenwasser]

Nuwen: I actually think that Zero's meta can be somewhat useful
Spring: Stop contradicting yourself, and what does Skillit have to do with anything?
Zach: Answer the damn question. You're just making yourself look like a question dodger.

Nuwen's flowery post is clearly just a "he's a noob" assertion (another reason why I hate reads and prefer concise arguments). I dislike BB's quick agreement with the "flawless logic". It seems like an attempt to distance yourself from Zero's lynch. Spring, you were almost nonexistent at the beginning of the game, and now you're trying to distance yourself from a Zero lynch. It seems that since everyone is assuming that scum will bus their scum buddies to death, you can fly under the radar by supporting him instead. Nuwen, your latest post is flawed, for the reason outlined in my last sentence. Zach: see above. You're dodging questions with BS reasons.

The ones in question, from towniest to scummiest:

BB
Nuwen
Spring
Zach

[zwetschenwasser]

Spring 2. WHAA??

[zwetschenwasser]

joke.

[zwetschenwasser]

Nuwen, it's not that WIFOM. It's a good possibility.

[zwetschenwasser]

Zero: I'm scum because I think you're scum? Makes perfect sense. And you pick now to tell us that you can be more helpful if you're given the chance? And you'll say that tomorrow and do the same thing. If you're not remotely trying to be helpful now then why should we assume you'll be better tomorrow? That's gotta be the stupidest argument I've ever seen. Pablo, there are good reasons to vote zero you seem to be ignoring.

[zwetschenwasser]

I do also.

[zwetschenwasser]

Dit the toe.

[zwetschenwasser]

no, as in to the do of the dit to the toe named ditto.

[zwetschenwasser]

Whoa. I'm having this exact same "too scummy for scum" discussion in Immunity Mafia. I personally don't agree with that philosophy.

[zwetschenwasser]

MaHeroWhatever: You first say that I'm not posting content, and then you say all I'm doing is gloating over Zero? I firmly believe that Zero is bluffing through his emotional appeal, and that Nuwen and You are doing nothing but repeating the same one-liner argument that I don't think applies here. You call the meta thing a card, but it makes sense to me that a player would be more emotional in a game where he's scum than in a game that he's not. Zero's last post was, indeed, exactly what he wrote in the last sentence. I don't enjoy MF's disregard for all my points of accusation and dismissal of them as not containing content and acting purely scummy.

[zwetschenwasser]

I find Zero more scummy than BB.

[zwetschenwasser]

I want an extension because if a deadline begins approaching people will begin coming up with new excuses to vote for non-Zero people because of deadlines, especially if he claims a power role. I really hate it when people claim that they want a quicklynch because of a deadline instead of real, logical reasons, because the next day we'll have lots of probably fake scum we'll have to sort through that gave the bogus deadline reason. In other words, I want Zero dead now with an extension preventing unreasoned quickhammers.

[zwetschenwasser]

You start your post by calling me scummy, and change your mind over the course of your post to "I thought you were scummy, but now I don't so much." Please explain your contradiction. Ecto, do you need any more answers from me, or is there some other reason why you're voting for me?

[zwetschenwasser]

Thanks? I guess? Ecto, sorry I didn't notice.

BB, I just don't understand why, even though you're saying that I'm town, you put that I looked scummy in your overview of players that is typically supposed to be a resume of the points you're quoting below. Did you not notice you contradicted yourself?

[zwetschenwasser]

Another useless fluff post. Can't someone notice how idiotic this guy is?

[zwetschenwasser]

More useless posts. But now mint chocolate flavored!

It's not hypocrisy. I can, and I think the game can, tolerate cute joke, useless posts up to a certain point. BB's early criticism of the cutesiness was at a very early game stage, when I considered that it was still okay for joking around and rving, since there was practically little content. I switched because after that incident content and posts of value started popping up while zero continued with cute posts. Zero = line crossed. As you can see he continues to post useless BS, but adds that my pointing out that it's useless is stupid.

[zwetschenwasser]

What nothing post?

[zwetschenwasser]

I am hurt and angered.

[zwetschenwasser]

Exactly. And can we not spend a whole day of nothing? I really enjoy this particular game.

[zwetschenwasser]

Actually, I think you need to be lynched right now.

[zwetschenwasser]

So now you're fakeclaiming cop? You're nuts. Zach, I haven't seen your questions yet. Give me a sec...

[zwetschenwasser]

You weren't answering Spring's questions by talking about manners and other randomness. I don't know what that has to do with anything, now that I'm one hundred percent sure that Zero is scum for fakeclaiming a Night 0 investigation.

[zwetschenwasser]

He's the moderator. Which makes no sense. Which means he's lying.

[zwetschenwasser]

He's claiming a bastard backup mod with complete knowledge of the setup.

[zwetschenwasser]

I prefer the bastard mod theory. It screws with everyone's mind, and makes him look like an idiot.

[zwetschenwasser]

Unofficial Votes on Zero Count: 5-Zwet, Wolf, Zach, Sip, BB, Pablo

L-1 people!

[zwetschenwasser]

He just repeats incoherent babble without posting anything other that "zwet is stupid, and I bet he's going to call this post stupid." He' s really being annoying, and I actually thought it was L-1.

[zwetschenwasser]

Fortunately. I don't really understand what more Ecto hopes to gain from this.

[zwetschenwasser]

You! Sheesh.

[zwetschenwasser]

PRUFT

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm not mafia. If the cop would investigate me tonight I'd appreciate it.

[zwetschenwasser]

Aha! Springlullaby is scum!

[zwetschenwasser]

It's clear that Jere's flip as town puts a lot of incrimination on spring, and I completely agree with Nuwen.

[zwetschenwasser]

We miss you...

[zwetschenwasser]

In case you didn't notice, my first post was "spring is scum", before Nuwen.

[zwetschenwasser]

I thought it was clear from yesterday's spring/jere debate that jere's alignment would point towards spring's scum/towniness.

[zwetschenwasser]

Did everyone forget BB's reluctance to hop on the Zero wagon? Sounds like scum not wanting to be on a town mislynch wagon.

[zwetschenwasser]

What accusations? All he said is that Zach didn't vote. BB is reluctant because of that noob town switch. It was too hasty and seemed contrived.

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Yes. I don't get how Ecto's post is aimed at me. Is he asking me something?

[zwetschenwasser]

Oops. I thought I did vote spring on page fourteen. I must have deleted it.

Vote: Spring

. I'd like Zach to explain exactly why my post makes him think I pushed for a NK, using quotes from yesterday. I never showed much interest in Spring yesterday, and I don't think I implied yesterday that I was going after the spring case today. I simply noticed the arguments presented against spring, and now that significant incriminating evidence has been provided, I have good grounds to find him scummy.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't like how Nuwen igored that part of Jere's case on her was the Jere flip-flop. I thought it should point against Spring's towniness because:

1) Spring had an argument with Jere and thought him scum yesterday
2) Spring probably thought that if Jere died and flipped town he would be incriminated
3) If a cop investigated Jere and got an innocent Spring would be in a big pit
4) Solution: take out Jere fast and try to convince the town that it was a Mafia framejob today
5) Get mad at everyone by saying that cases against him would be WIFOM.

[zwetschenwasser]

See? Spring is trying to get people to say this. And are you saying tha specific cases are bad?

[zwetschenwasser]

Behold how Nuwen ignored Zach's case again. If Jere had been investigated it would look like scum pressing for a mislynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

It's his evil scum plan.

[zwetschenwasser]

Exactly. Enter WIFOM stage right.

[zwetschenwasser]

Where did all this talk about jesters and me trying to suicide come from? This is by far my favorite game I'm still alive in, and I don't want to die fast.

[zwetschenwasser]

I think it's quite valid, especially since Nuwen is ignoring part of your analysis. Do you have other questions?

[zwetschenwasser]

You ignored part of his case on you, namely the part about your wishy-washiness with regard to Spring?

[zwetschenwasser]

Yessish. You pointed out that he quickly left me to defend the case against Spring after BB jumped in, I think.

[zwetschenwasser]

Eh??? I don't see how I "parroted" your reasoning. I had thought that yesterday.

[zwetschenwasser]

I fail to see that "thought" means "post seventeen pages of cross-referenced discussion over every single word in the thread that points to Spring being scum"

[zwetschenwasser]

I thought Zero much more scummy than Spring, and I never said Spring was scum yesterday, because I didn't know anything about JereIC's alignment.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm looking at this day and founding it depressing.

Zwet, who do you think is scum beside me?


It is almost certain I'm voting zwet today. Still, no hurry.

I rest my case. Nuwen and Spring are scum.

[zwetschenwasser]

Someone is attacking you, and all you say is "Who else is scum?" You call that not-scummy?

[zwetschenwasser]

He didn't make an attempt to defend himself.

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Which means what exactly?

I mean does it warrant a response or a defense? What would you say to an accusation that you are scum based solely on the fact that someone died?

Would you think it worth defending yourself to be seen as defensive?

Or would you think that such an attack doesn't even warrant a response?

By the way. Spring's gender icon is female, a lot of people have been using the wrong pronoun when speaking of her.

1. It warrants at least a thought out response. I would at least say "No, idiot, you're a fool." Spring didn't even do that!
2. Yes
3. No
4. Oops.

[zwetschenwasser]

This has nothing to do with you not thinking that I'm a fool. If you thought I was really bad scum, why didn't you say so in you first response?

[zwetschenwasser]

Defense against...

[zwetschenwasser]

I suppose you might call it an overeager conjecture, but do you admit that it's possible? The very fact that scum wouldn't have killed JereIC might have made Spring kill him out of necessity, as I outlined in my case. The thing is, now that I have a case on Spring, Spring is completely disregarding it, and the first thing Spring said when I was discussing the possibilities was a completely flippant, pointless remark, which solidifies my theory, at least in my eyes.

[zwetschenwasser]

If you had said something intelligent and useful to refute my statements.

[zwetschenwasser]

Such as what you've been saying since I called you out on it.

[zwetschenwasser]

Now you've lost me, ecto.

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Yes

[zwetschenwasser]

huh????

[zwetschenwasser]

Stop confusing me....

[zwetschenwasser]

Don't leave us... We love you...

[zwetschenwasser]

you mean about how spring's dodginess is scummy?

[zwetschenwasser]

No, I pick the first one.

[zwetschenwasser]

No.

[zwetschenwasser]

Why?

[zwetschenwasser]

O rly?

Unvote; Vote: zwetschenwasser

Good luck clearing yourself now, scum.

[zwetschenwasser]

lol

[zwetschenwasser]

self-hammers ftw!

[zwetschenwasser]

You will die scum.

[zwetschenwasser]

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No.

[zwetschenwasser]

Meow.

[zwetschenwasser]

We win! Yayzowr!