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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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I just don't like that each of Zwet's posts makes less and less sense, scum OR town perspective. My policy on jesters is the same as millers: inevitably lynch (or dayvig, if available).
A jester claim is an oxymoron, assuming every player is trying to win. Claiming jester will make an actual jester's win condition impossible to satisfy, making it a stupid claim for scum to hide behind. No real jester would ever claim, thus every jester claim is either false or made by someone not playing to win.So high, so low, so many things to know.
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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I'm not really satisfied with this answer.Nuwen wrote:
Nothing screams scum/irrational town play to me like an unjustified vote. I don't have to actively pursue a player to read one of his or her posts, recognize a fault, and point it out or ask for clarification. Are you suggesting that someone needs to be tunneling another player in order for his or her suspicions not to be suspicious themselves? I think you read this post in retrograde,Zachrulez wrote: I am VERY confused by this post, because I haven't seen any posts prior to post 357, back to the beginning of the day where Nuwen states any concern for Zwet's suspicion of Spring.afterdeciding that I'm bussing Zwet, and then tried to make it fit the scenario.
I also haven't "decided" that you're bussing Zwet, but I see the possibility that this could be happening. (Using the word possible is far from having a position of certainty.)-
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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If I were to guess. I think he's saying you ignored the backtracking part of my analysis where you backed off from saying that I was a top candidate for being Spring's scum buddy.Nuwen wrote:I thought I addressed everything. Quote what you think I missed?
But I'm not going to stake my life savings on that.
If there's something else he thinks you missed, I would like him to point that out too... cause I think you did address everything else.-
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Zachrulez wrote:
I'm not really satisfied with this answer.Nuwen wrote:
Nothing screams scum/irrational town play to me like an unjustified vote. I don't have to actively pursue a player to read one of his or her posts, recognize a fault, and point it out or ask for clarification. Are you suggesting that someone needs to be tunneling another player in order for his or her suspicions not to be suspicious themselves? I think you read this post in retrograde,Zachrulez wrote: I am VERY confused by this post, because I haven't seen any posts prior to post 357, back to the beginning of the day where Nuwen states any concern for Zwet's suspicion of Spring.afterdeciding that I'm bussing Zwet, and then tried to make it fit the scenario.
Zwet's day 2 posts prior to 357, the post troubling Zach:
zwetschenwasser wrote:Aha! Springlullaby is scum!zwetschenwasser wrote:It's clear that Jere's flip as town puts a lot of incrimination on spring, and I completely agree with Nuwen.
These three sentences struck me as inadequate explanation for Zwet's certainty about Spring's alignment, especially because he was parroting my reasoning, which I later decided was faulty and based on misinformation. The "read minds" comment was a snarky way of asking Zwet to expand his case against Spring.zwetschenwasser wrote:In case you didn't notice, my first post was "spring is scum", before Nuwen.
But I think it's the timing of this post, rather than the content, that you have a problem with?
This? There isn't much to lean on.Zachrulez wrote:361, 362: Backtracks on me being Spring's most likely scum buddy.
My scum buddy theory pivoted around my case against Spring. Yes, I still find the exchange between Spring and Zach contrived, but I can't accuse Zach of being Spring's scum buddy if I'm no longer positive that Spring is scum.
That'swhat you've been referencing for two posts? A piece of sequential logic that you could have worked out yourself?So high, so low, so many things to know.
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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zwetschenwasser wrote:I don't see how I "parroted" your reasoning.
Yesterday, your posts mentioning - MENTIONING, not even building a case against - Spring:zwetschenwasser wrote:and I completely agree with Nuwen.
zwetschenwasser wrote: Springlullaby: What don't you like? I was joking about not knowing what's going on, and Ecto thought I meant it, so I set him straight.zwetschenwasser wrote: Spring: Stop contradicting yourself, and what does Skillit have to do with anything?
Spring, you were almost nonexistent at the beginning of the game, and now you're trying to distance yourself from a Zero lynch.
The ones in question, from towniest to scummiest:
BB
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Zachzwetschenwasser wrote:Spring 2. WHAA??
That's quite the ironclad case, Zwet. You have a post asking for clarification on a Spring -> Zwet attack, half a post vaguely accusing Spring of contradicting herself with no example material, half a post listing Spring as the second scummiest player, a joke post, and a post directed at Zero referencing Spring's case against him.zwetschenwasser wrote:You weren't answering Spring's questions by talking about manners and other randomness. I don't know what that has to do with anything, now that I'm one hundred percent sure that Zero is scum for fakeclaiming a Night 0 investigation.
The only indication that you suspected Spring yesterday was in 225's list, but you didn't bother to explain why each player was rated more townish or scummy. If that's your strongest piece of material against Spring, why aren't you pursuing Zach more actively? You rated him more scummy than Spring - do you think he's more townish now, or are you choosing to ignore your previous ranking system in lieu of lynching Spring?zwetschenwasser wrote: I had thought that yesterday.
I fail to see how you arrived at "Springlullaby is scum!" from the above.
Vote: zwetschenwasser- we'll have that bussing discussion again later, I suppose. I see and understand why Zach proposed the bus possibility, but I'm not going to let a suspicious appearance prevent me from stringing up scum.So high, so low, so many things to know.
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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Laying it out for you, one more time.
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Great. You "thought" Spring was scum yesterday, but made no motion to share your suspicions or lay out a case. You lynched Zero instead.zwetschenwasser wrote:Eh??? I don't see how I "parroted" your reasoning. I had thought that yesterday.
You're justifying this silence by saying the NK incriminates Spring - presumably, if you had shared your suspicions yesterday, it would have spoiled your read on the NK. Yesterday, you somehow predicted that keeping your case against Spring a secret would provide you with a large, tangible piece of evidence overnight. Essentially, you predicted that the kill would point in her direction.
So, here we are today, and your biggest piece of information gained from the NK is that Jere's alignment points directly at Spring. This is what you're making your case around. What happened to yesterday's secret case, the one you chose to keep in your "thoughts?" Are you going to share it with us? Thus far, your entire case has been built in retrograde - after the kill flipped, you decided it incriminated Spring based on a conversation YESTERDAY that you didn't name as suspect.
The rest of your case is "I agree with Nuwen." Nuwen already deconstructed her case against Spring; it was bad, for reasons outlined earlier. This is parroting, and bad parroting at that. Scum usually take valid cases made by town players and reiterate them to jump on a wagon without having to fabricate fallable reasons.
Even if we assume you had material to build a case with yesterday, why haven't you shared it now? Your only attack on Spring has been for the night kill.So high, so low, so many things to know.
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Beyond_Birthday Goon
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Where do you conclude scum spring would night kill JereIC? Further, how do you conclude that their alignments are inverse? Granted, it isn't the worst theory, but neither looks super scummy or super town. (I know this from rereading.) So, I don't really see how their alignment gives too much information.zwetschenwasser wrote:I thought Zero much more scummy than Spring, and I never said Spring was scum yesterday, because I didn't know anything about JereIC's alignment.
I also didn't see anything like this claim suggested in Nuwen's summary of your posts. I may reread your posts to check later (don't feel like it now), but this attack of yours seems a little forced and unsupported.ShowI'm coming up on Infra-Red
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Nuwen Mafia Scum
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I'd like to make sure this post doesn't get overlooked. You wanted a Zwet lynch yesterday, with a BB followup today. Why did Zwet lose your attention, and what made BB take the spotlight?madam.fobs.hero. wrote:im here.
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not gonna lie, pretty pissed that despite a few smarter people going hes town you morons you guys still lynched z3r0ph34r.
lets get the scum this time, hmm?So high, so low, so many things to know.
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springlullaby Mafia Scum
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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Based on... the JereIC nightkill?zwetschenwasser wrote:
I rest my case. Nuwen and Spring are scum.springlullaby wrote:I'm looking at this day and founding it depressing.
Zwet, who do you think is scum beside me?
It is almost certain I'm voting zwet today. Still, no hurry.
... I'm still having trouble understanding how certainty is derived from that.-
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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zwetschenwasser Doktor der Musik
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Zachrulez Jack of All Trades
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Which means what exactly?
I mean does it warrant a response or a defense? What would you say to an accusation that you are scum based solely on the fact that someone died?
Would you think it worth defending yourself to be seen as defensive?
Or would you think that such an attack doesn't even warrant a response?
By the way. Spring's gender icon is female, a lot of people have been using the wrong pronoun when speaking of her.
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