Mini 734 - GrimMafia - OVER

[zwetschenwasser]

More useless posts. But now mint chocolate flavored!

It's not hypocrisy. I can, and I think the game can, tolerate cute joke, useless posts up to a certain point. BB's early criticism of the cutesiness was at a very early game stage, when I considered that it was still okay for joking around and rving, since there was practically little content. I switched because after that incident content and posts of value started popping up while zero continued with cute posts. Zero = line crossed. As you can see he continues to post useless BS, but adds that my pointing out that it's useless is stupid.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Only a couple of points about BB's post I want to ask about so far. I should be able to read it more in-depth tomorrow.

Also, while I feel that Spring is town (and I strongly disagree with this sentiment on me in the following post), I would like to note that it wasn’t until

@ Ectomancer: I see now. I was thrown off by you saying 'I think you missed etc.', kinda unusual to see people interpreting other people to such a degree.

I'm still not liking JereIC, has actually contributed nothing now that the game is under way bar from a vague question about what I think of Zero. I'm not liking Beyond_Birthday either, I think his post sounds very self-conscientious. I'm kind ambivalent concerning Zero, could be awkward town or awkward scum at this point.

So Zero, what do you think of the game so far?

That anyone commented that they felt that I have said, essentially nothing. As a result, I am more suspicious of EVERYONE who failed, before this post, to argue against others, for example, Zwet, to acknowledge this “fact” and then said that it was true. Zwet, I use as an example, who said that I gave reasons for my post. I would use Per for saying I have 6 content post out of 6 (at the time he made that list), however, she isn’t around. I am pretty wary of these people right now.

I cannot make heads or tails of this paragraph. It's like a couple of important verbs are missing or something.

Well, I believe that someone who replaced in and someone else mentioned that my posts were self conscious. I am far too lazy to recall who, because it isn't all that important until later (should I make it to a "later" day). It isn't at you, but I really can't explain it any better unless I look up a specific case, but I am too lazy to do that right now.

Alright, just a question, let’s suppose that Zero IS scum. At this point (on page 11/12, where we are now), who would his mafianess implicate? Myself, Spring, or Nuwen? (Only included because she is the primary defense for Zero at the moment.) Or someone else entirely? What if Zero flips town? Any leads then?

I stand by my basic argument - if Zero is scum, then it's very likely Spring is too. The case against her alone is fairly weak though, and I don't I could vote for her today based on the evidence so far.

Also, I support the arguments against him and the weakness of his defense (and the defense of others on his behalf), and would argue it's more likely than not that he's scum. The only reason I'm voting for you and not him now is because your vote for Spring was incredibly scummy.

If Zero gets lynched and is town, Zwet looks more suspect for his early participation in the bandwagon.

You answered my question. YAY!

I don’t like what you are suggesting here, which is that Spring IS scum if he is and might be if he isn’t. Mostly because you are insinuating guilt no matter which way he falls, which should be self evident. Saying this seems to serve the sole purpose of setting Spring up for tomorrow...

I don't follow what you don't like about this. As you said, it's self-evident that everyone might be scum until they are proven otherwise (cop, death, etc.). The case against her would be weak if Zero was town, and she wouldn't be my first choice to vote for on Day 2, but she still might be scum. All I was doing was stating the obvious.

Yes, but it just reads as scummy to me. Not a big deal, just a notice in case you start to look scummy later. (Although, in isolation, the post seems scummy because it appears that you offer a person no out.) Further, it doesn't read as "Well, you wouldn't be confirmed, so you could still be scummy." Though, I see your point and that it is possible you intended your statement to mean this.

Thanks? I guess? Ecto, sorry I didn't notice.

BB, I just don't understand why, even though you're saying that I'm town, you put that I looked scummy in your overview of players that is typically supposed to be a resume of the points you're quoting below. Did you not notice you contradicted yourself?

It isn't contradiction per se; I am attempting to show that while, at first (as others have said), you come off as scummy, you do eventually look town aligned.

*IS Ignoring the nothing post ^*

[zwetschenwasser]

What nothing post?

[Zachrulez]

I already did? I guess would be the answer I were to give.

Go look at my post 126... which is one example of scum hunting, making use of game content, and analyzing play.

You could start by addressing those points against you in a logical manner, rather than by appealing to emotion.

You could also scum hunt, make use of the game content, and analyze everyone's play... and see who's acting scummy out of all of us.

I mean seriously, do I have to draw you a MAP?

[Beyond_Birthday]

Sorry Zwet, talking about Zero's before yours Kinda simultaneous posting I suppose.

[zwetschenwasser]

I am hurt and angered.

[JereIC]

Bump to get this out of Meme's "Last post" spam.

I still can't tell what BB is talking about with the whole "self-conscious" thing. All I've picked out of it is that you've FOSed everyone.

[zwetschenwasser]

Exactly. And can we not spend a whole day of nothing? I really enjoy this particular game.

[Zer0ph34r]

Zwet, it's so awesome knowing that the most you can do is vote for me. And I think with all of the nothingness we have been talking about, it kind of proves that talking about nothing is pretty much the only thing left to do until the day ends. [Oh yes! That's sure scum talk isn't it? Actually, it probably is.] I have a question for everyone in the game:

WHO WOULD LIKE ME TO BE THE FIRST PERSON LYNCHED?

[Zachrulez]

Zwet, it's so awesome knowing that the most you can do is vote for me. And I think with all of the nothingness we have been talking about, it kind of proves that talking about nothing is pretty much the only thing left to do until the day ends. [Oh yes! That's sure scum talk isn't it? Actually, it probably is.] I have a question for everyone in the game:

WHO WOULD LIKE ME TO BE THE FIRST PERSON LYNCHED?

This is seriously really starting to irritate me.

FOR THE LOVE OF MY SANITY...

Please posts your thoughts on somebody other than Zwet. I don't care who. Anybody. Just show me that you care about this game beyond Zwet, and that you really want to give us something to go on rather than continually trying to say we have nothing. (It's a lie, and your just making yourself look worse by continually repeating it.)

[springlullaby]

Zero, are you going to play this game or not? Because if you are not, I think you need to be replaced right now.

[zwetschenwasser]

Actually, I think you need to be lynched right now.

[Zachrulez]

Hey Zwet, whenever you feel like taking a break from constantly calling for Zero's lynch (Which incidentally might increase Zero's chances of actually playing the game) you can feel free to address either post 231 or 265. Both ask basically the same thing and you have ignored them up to this point...

[Zer0ph34r]

Okay, so far, 1 person wants me to be lynched, or at least is saying so.
Spring, I am playing this game, maybe not the way you want me to or even in a good way, but I am. Here's something to confuse people:

I am 100% sure that Zwet is a Mafia Member, and there's only one way I can possibly know this. Acknowledging this sentence would be wise for all of you. [I am cutting the smart ones a break.]

[zwetschenwasser]

So now you're fakeclaiming cop? You're nuts. Zach, I haven't seen your questions yet. Give me a sec...

[zwetschenwasser]

You weren't answering Spring's questions by talking about manners and other randomness. I don't know what that has to do with anything, now that I'm one hundred percent sure that Zero is scum for fakeclaiming a Night 0 investigation.

[Zer0ph34r]

Oh, I'm not fake claiming Cop. I am actually claiming something else.

[Pablo Molinero]

...bitter, stupid mafia bussing fellow mafia? *off to the wiki*

[Zachrulez]

Okay, so far, 1 person wants me to be lynched, or at least is saying so.
Spring, I am playing this game, maybe not the way you want me to or even in a good way, but I am. Here's something to confuse people:

I am 100% sure that Zwet is a Mafia Member, and there's only one way I can possibly know this. Acknowledging this sentence would be wise for all of you. [I am cutting the smart ones a break.]

I would really like to let this slide but I can't.

I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate and be specific about what you are saying/claiming.

How can you be 100% sure?

[zwetschenwasser]

He's the moderator. Which makes no sense. Which means he's lying.

[Beyond_Birthday]

Wait...wait....
My brain hurts...Zero, what the hell are you saying?

[zwetschenwasser]

He's claiming a bastard backup mod with complete knowledge of the setup.

[Zachrulez]

He's claiming a bastard backup mod with complete knowledge of the setup.

I read that he's claiming scum (just short of outright saying it.)

Which is stupid because if he actually is, we can just test the claim by lynching him... and even then, he could still be lying about you.

[zwetschenwasser]

I prefer the bastard mod theory. It screws with everyone's mind, and makes him look like an idiot.

[Pablo Molinero]

I'm done with this nonsense. I tried, I tried my damnedest to believe you were town, but even if we keep you alive do we want you making important decisions down the road?

Vote: Zero