Mini 734 - GrimMafia - OVER

[Zer0ph34r]

zwetschenwasser, you say it was a post to make it look like I was posting something meaningful, well I wasn't trying to make it look like that. It was a serious question and NOBODY had an answer, meaning that there is NOTHING TO GO BUY.

[zwetschenwasser]

I disagree. And I don't really understand this speedlynch philosophy.

[Ectomancer]

zwetschenwasser, you say it was a post to make it look like I was posting something meaningful, well I wasn't trying to make it look like that. It was a serious question and NOBODY had an answer, meaning that there is NOTHING TO GO BUY.

That's because the answers to that kind of question are usually learned in newbie games. In other games, that question is likely to get you a nice fat bandwagon. (Oh, and Zwet, there is no way he posted that to look like he was posting something meaningful. That was the opposite of meaningful)


Just sayin...

[zwetschenwasser]

Interesting...

[springlullaby]

Ellipses in game aggravates me. What exactly are you guys implying?

JereIC, wanna answer my questions?

[zwetschenwasser]

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[Ectomancer]

Maybe you just missed the thread of conversation Spring.

Well, Sipylus, what the hell do you want me to say, what could be meaningful at this point in the game? Not much if anything.

Blah post. He's trying to pretend that he's posting content and not actively lurking. minor FoS: Zero
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zwetschenwasser, you say it was a post to make it look like I was posting something meaningful, well I wasn't trying to make it look like that. It was a serious question and NOBODY had an answer, meaning that there is NOTHING TO GO BUY.

That's because the answers to that kind of question are usually learned in newbie games. In other games, that question is likely to get you a nice fat bandwagon. (Oh, and Zwet, there is no way he posted that to look like he was posting something meaningful. That was the opposite of meaningful)


Just sayin...

The first time you read this, you responded to the portion of the quote that I snipped. I think you must have missed it because you didn't comment on Zero's statement at all, then subsequently told JereIC that if he had a better topic of discussion, point to it.

[JereIC]

JereIC, wanna answer my questions?

Not really. Those questions are a distraction from what we should be discussing - who's scum or not. But, briefly:

How many players do you think are not aware of the fact that a reasonable amount of discussion per day is propitious to town?

Not many.

How scummy would a speedlynch in a normal setup be?

Not very. The speedlynches I've seen always depend more on townies being reckless rather than scum instigating it.

How is scummy activity not good news?

Scummy activity is good news - but as I said, speedlynches are more about recklessness than scumminess, so speedlynches aren't good news.

Are you truly unfamiliar with this line of argument?

I am familiar with it. From my experience, it's not a very good line of argument.

Now, briefly, can you tell me why you want to discuss speedlynches?

[Zachrulez]

Questions addressed at the populace in general, requesting replies:

How many players do you think are not aware of the fact that a reasonable amount of discussion per day is propitious to town?

Hopefully there aren't any, if there are, they belong in a newbie game.

How scummy would a speedlynch in a normal setup be?

Depends... are some of the people pushing the speedlynch otherwise inclined to know better?

How is scummy activity not good news?

It's not good news if the person committing the scummy activity is town, since it could possibly cause a mislynch. Scum committing scummy activity is good news.

Are you truly unfamiliar with this line of argument?

No, I just don't believe speedlynching is beneficial in general.

[Zer0ph34r]

Exactly, Etco, I kinda like you now. But still, zwet, what info can we go by? This is a serious question. I would like to know.

[Ectomancer]

Yeah, I'm so cuddly

Listen, I know you have to work your mind a bit, and yes early on things are going to be obvious stretches of some kind, but believe me, there are things you can comment on. You've got 5 pages right now. It only took me 1 post from another player to find something to talk about.
I really don't know how to help you except to tell you to read the first 2-3 pages of every game to see how each one got out of the random stage. That will give you an idea on how to derive information from this one.

[springlullaby]

Maybe you just missed the thread of conversation Spring.

Well, Sipylus, what the hell do you want me to say, what could be meaningful at this point in the game? Not much if anything.

Blah post. He's trying to pretend that he's posting content and not actively lurking. minor FoS: Zero
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zwetschenwasser, you say it was a post to make it look like I was posting something meaningful, well I wasn't trying to make it look like that. It was a serious question and NOBODY had an answer, meaning that there is NOTHING TO GO BUY.

That's because the answers to that kind of question are usually learned in newbie games. In other games, that question is likely to get you a nice fat bandwagon. (Oh, and Zwet, there is no way he posted that to look like he was posting something meaningful. That was the opposite of meaningful)


Just sayin...

The first time you read this, you responded to the portion of the quote that I snipped. I think you must have missed it because you didn't comment on Zero's statement at all, then subsequently told JereIC that if he had a better topic of discussion, point to it.

I'm not sure what you mean here, please reformulate. Is there a question inside the above, at all?

[springlullaby]

JereIC, wanna answer my questions?

Not really. Those questions are a distraction from what we should be discussing - who's scum or not. But, briefly:

How many players do you think are not aware of the fact that a reasonable amount of discussion per day is propitious to town?

Not many.

How scummy would a speedlynch in a normal setup be?

Not very. The speedlynches I've seen always depend more on townies being reckless rather than scum instigating it.

How is scummy activity not good news?

Scummy activity is good news - but as I said, speedlynches are more about recklessness than scumminess, so speedlynches aren't good news.

Are you truly unfamiliar with this line of argument?

I am familiar with it. From my experience, it's not a very good line of argument.

Now, briefly, can you tell me why you want to discuss speedlynches?

I don't particularly want to discuss speedlynch, I just want to see how people respond to the questions.

But what has motivated me to ask in the first place is my not liking your unvote of me and your subsequent reply when I called you on it.

As I see it, there was in reality very low danger of my getting speedlynched on page 2. And I think that had it happened, it would have been a pretty good thing because, in the specific frame of this game, I was not nearly scummy enough to warrant a lynch at the time of your unvote.

This make me think that your justification of your unvote, namely wanting to avoid a speedlynch, is pretty bunk. And kinda the worse possible answer you could have found in a sea of possibility.

[Ectomancer]

Did you fall and bump your head or what??

Ellipses in game aggravates me. What exactly are you guys implying?

Maybe you just missed the thread of conversation Spring.

Well, Sipylus, what the hell do you want me to say, what could be meaningful at this point in the game? Not much if anything.

Blah post. He's trying to pretend that he's posting content and not actively lurking. minor FoS: Zero
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zwetschenwasser, you say it was a post to make it look like I was posting something meaningful, well I wasn't trying to make it look like that. It was a serious question and NOBODY had an answer, meaning that there is NOTHING TO GO BUY.

That's because the answers to that kind of question are usually learned in newbie games. In other games, that question is likely to get you a nice fat bandwagon. (Oh, and Zwet, there is no way he posted that to look like he was posting something meaningful. That was the opposite of meaningful)


Just sayin...

The first time you read this, you responded to the portion of the quote that I snipped. I think you must have missed it because you didn't comment on Zero's statement at all, then subsequently told JereIC that if he had a better topic of discussion, point to it.

I'm not sure what you mean here, please reformulate. Is there a question inside the above, at all?

[JereIC]

I don't particularly want to discuss speedlynch, I just want to see how people respond to the questions.

But what has motivated me to ask in the first place is my not liking your unvote of me and your subsequent reply when I called you on it.

As I see it, there was in reality very low danger of my getting speedlynched on page 2. And I think that had it happened, it would have been a pretty good thing because, in the specific frame of this game, I was not nearly scummy enough to warrant a lynch at the time of your unvote.

This make me think that your justification of your unvote, namely wanting to avoid a speedlynch, is pretty bunk. And kinda the worse possible answer you could have found in a sea of possibility.

It was a pretty low chance, but I didn't see any upside so I didn't want to risk it. Even if you were mafia, a speedlynch before you had a chance to post a defense would have kept you from possibly incriminating your buddies. I don't think I'm being overly cautious, I just don't see the point of risk for risk's sake.

Anyway, onto a new topic - what do you think of Zer0ph34r?

[zwetschenwasser]

Zero is actively lurking, and JereIC is trying to squeeze his way out of suspicion.

[Beyond_Birthday]

JereIC, wanna answer my questions?

Not really. Those questions are a distraction from what we should be discussing - who's scum or not. But, briefly:

How many players do you think are not aware of the fact that a reasonable amount of discussion per day is propitious to town?

Not many.

How scummy would a speedlynch in a normal setup be?

Not very. The speedlynches I've seen always depend more on townies being reckless rather than scum instigating it.

How is scummy activity not good news?

Scummy activity is good news - but as I said, speedlynches are more about recklessness than scumminess, so speedlynches aren't good news.

Are you truly unfamiliar with this line of argument?

I am familiar with it. From my experience, it's not a very good line of argument.

Now, briefly, can you tell me why you want to discuss speedlynches?

I don't particularly want to discuss speedlynch, I just want to see how people respond to the questions.

But what has motivated me to ask in the first place is my not liking your unvote of me and your subsequent reply when I called you on it.

As I see it, there was in reality very low danger of my getting speedlynched on page 2. And I think that had it happened, it would have been a pretty good thing because, in the specific frame of this game, I was not nearly scummy enough to warrant a lynch at the time of your unvote.

This make me think that your justification of your unvote, namely wanting to avoid a speedlynch, is pretty bunk. And kinda the worse possible answer you could have found in a sea of possibility.

Admittedly, your questions to the populace worked for me. I like this results as, while failing to conclude someone is scum, it has brought out good conversation with a pretty strong reference. Kudos.

At Ecto: I don't quite get what your point is either. At first, I thought you were trying to demonstrate a contradiction of some sort, so you may need to break it down or make it more obvious.

[zwetschenwasser]

What do ellipses have to do with anything?

[Zer0ph34r]

Zwet, how am I lurking? I asked a serious question that you can't seem to answer when you responded like it was such any easy question, if anything, you would be the lurker. How am I lurking? By asking a serious question?

[zwetschenwasser]

No. By not posting content.

[Zer0ph34r]

JUST ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!

[Beyond_Birthday]

Active Lurking can be defined as participating in a game by being irrelevant or being a distraction or detriment to conversation. Some people do it no matter what, but that kind of behavior is positively annoying.

It is a prime example being antitown, which is, sadly, not necessarily an indication of scumminess.

[Ectomancer]

At Ecto: I don't quite get what your point is either. At first, I thought you were trying to demonstrate a contradiction of some sort, so you may need to break it down or make it more obvious.

I really don't see why this is complicated to be honest. SL seems confused from the outset. You look to have gotten sucked into it somehow. Here's my analogy of my conversation with SL.

SL: What color is that hat?
Me: It's Blue.
SL: What is?
Me: The hat you asked me about.
SL: Im confused, are you asking me a question?

So, let's take all of this and hack it apart again piece by piece, although it

really

should have been picked up by both of you without my saying a word. It is a layered interaction, but that still shouldn't give SL champagne bubbles over his head. I'm just going to insert comments with a different color.

First statement that should have drawn peoples attention. In response to Sipylus, Zer0 gives the old "there's nothing to talk about" statement. /color]

Well, Sipylus, what the hell do you want me to say, what could be meaningful at this point in the game? Not much if anything.

Zwet responds with an attack on Zer0 for active lurking via pretending to post content.

Blah post. He's trying to pretend that he's posting content and not actively lurking. minor FoS: Zero
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Zero somewhere in that says he had a serious question (what is there to go on) and nobody answered. I was condesceding with my answer. Learning how to make a game go is first learned in newbie games, or reading the first 2 to 4 pages of every game to see how it moved into "meaningful" talk.

zwetschenwasser, you say it was a post to make it look like I was posting something meaningful, well I wasn't trying to make it look like that. It was a serious question and NOBODY had an answer, meaning that there is NOTHING TO GO BUY.

That's because the answers to that kind of question are usually learned in newbie games. In other games, that question is likely to get you a nice fat bandwagon. (Oh, and Zwet, there is no way he posted that to look like he was posting something meaningful. That was the opposite of meaningful)


Just sayin...

[Beyond_Birthday]

I think that I have already categorized Zer0 into the useless column until he does something scummy so I can shift him somewhere else. Honestly, I probably missed your point because I assumed you were pointing out something else.

Put simply: I wasn't thinking that your quotes would indicate anything close to your actual point, sorry to waste your time for being stupid.

[Zer0ph34r]

All I want is an answer for zwet, but he has still yet to give his answer.