Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Gamma Emerald]

To get back to this, I've never seen anyone put a real definition to that term before so yours might be valid? Point out what you are seeing in each post.

Why is this so important to you and why do you so badly want me to waste my time inspecting myself

You've supposedly already inspected those posts? You can just say what about each of them gave you the impression you got.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maria vote pp

We are not going to have a repeat of today because when pp flips scum everyone is gonna be like
'wow pp flipped scum no surprise!'
pedit: Poor baby

I thought we had some sort of friendship, I can CLEARLY see that is not the case and if I tripped and cracked open my skull and died you wouldn't fucking blink.
PEdit: saying you don't want to sort me is one thing, walking all over me is another. I feel like in myour long experience with you that is how you've generally treated me, as a chew toy.

[Gamma Emerald]

To get back to this, I've never seen anyone put a real definition to that term before so yours might be valid? Point out what you are seeing in each post.

Why is this so important to you and why do you so badly want me to waste my time inspecting myself

You've supposedly already inspected those posts? You can just say what about each of them gave you the impression you got.

What is this possibly going to accomplish do you think I'm all of
-scum
-too lazy to have read the posts before saying this
And
-too terrible at mafia to invent reasons to townread the posts once I read them

Because that's kinda rude dood

What I'm trying to accomplish is I'm opening a dialogue to try and understand you better. If you accede to my request I can make judgments about your workings and determine whether I want to continue a working relationship.

[Gamma Emerald]

I haven't insulted or attacked you Gamma sorry if you feel that I've 'walked all over you' but that isn't my intent. But going 'go fuck yourself' isn't the way to fix it. *Shrug*

@Dunn I'll read that game when a Mena lynch becomes something we're debating

I feel like you're always trying to rip me apart

[Gamma Emerald]

-_-

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine I'll do it in a bit but I maintain that it's stupid

It might be stupid but it's the way I see of getting a piece of the puzzle that is you here
And Claire are you gonna be the fun police too rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know I am actually concerned what sort of purpose this role is meant to serve? I'm still not really getting what about PP is obv scum but I see him as a little susp rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Krazy
Something_Smart
Menalque

MariaR
Pink ball
Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

Iconeum
Wooper

PenguinPower
Firebringer

suck it penguin power, i am scummier than u!!!

Krazy
Something_Smart
Menalque

MariaR
Pink ball
Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

Iconeum
Wooper

PenguinPower
Firebringer

suck it penguin power, i am scummier than u!!!

These 2 posts don't come from town

Random aside, where does Fire get the notion tiers are ordered when Krazy is above SS?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ugh I’m 19 pages behind

I thought we were done with this shite

Ooh pagetop! And it’s twenty pages now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Cephrir,

Let’s go chill out in the scum pt

Pine is making cookies

When did Cephrir get here

And silly warmpup, the pro scumteams use Discord these days.

Yeah pts are for boomers

QTs are for Boomers. PTs are for disaffected Gen Xers and elder Millenials (who are staring down the barrel of 40)

I have played 2 games where QTs were used. They somehow are not dead?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like how “warm puppy” is spreading.

Would you prefer "heatwoofer"

YES

He's a hot dog. Deal with it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know how a rolecop works, doesn't it only tells you the role of the player but not the alignment?

YES
Also, Pine, I'll tell you this: if you fail to distribute the Vig fruit via a deal, and tonight is the last night, your win here shall be forever sullied by your inability to achieve a win through the one final modicum of honesty you had before you, to proffer your gift to one who beseeched it of rather rather than ton hoard it away and squirrel it off to your minion to use free of consequences that only you may choose to enact.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why was yes in all caps

[Gamma Emerald]

(I'm role-playing you ignoramus)

[Gamma Emerald]

Look it up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Presumably Ali will protect Dunn, but I’m more interested in who he shoots.

Ali can't

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler: Job Application for Gamma

Dear Mr. Emerald,

Attached please find my resume. I look forward 2 working with u and hope 2 hear from u soon.

I know it's not a guilty

Why would Ank choose Buffy other than that it was a joke

why would Ank choose movies when she doesn't even watch them

but okay, why if you are town, are you not pushing Mena? Who else could she have plausibly hid behind?

Like you continue to want to just drop it altogether but this is mylo and there is no reason to argue that it's a bad time to talk about a mech guilty

there's clear town motivation to wanting to figure this out still, and it does sound strange on the face of it that someone would want to dismiss this even though i, an enlightened one, agree

THAT'S NOT TOWN POSTING

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY TO THAT

if you're town you are confbiasing to the extreme here and it's actually ridiculous

you came in and said that I stopped tunneling you for political reasons when MASTINA was happening

that's so insane and laughable I refuse to believe you would drop that shade as town dude, there's no way. That's such a gross and incomprehensible misrepresentation it frankly is astonishing.

i like emotion in general but sure theres not too much here

I didn't say "lol pop in" after you started making posts with content

Yeah instead you said it IMMEDIATELY after I make my first post of the day

give me a break, if you want to interact with me why the fuck would you immediately go to poisoning the well?

if this has any basis in reality it makes me suspect dan but idk if he's just so tunnelled at this point he sees everything as an unreasonable attack

I am pushing Mena

read my posts maybe

okay then why the fuck is your argument "WHY DID THIS BECOME A GUILTY" and not "actually I think it's Mena"?

Why do you launch immediately into defensiveness?

seems like a good question 2 me, and the sort of thing that tends to come from someone who's super tunnelled

who's pushing you in bad faith then? where do you see the scum dogpile?

Maybe an entire page of people coming in and shitting on Dunn for townreading me?

im not sure how it isnt self evident that this is the type of thing that comes from someone whos actually frustrated
not that scum dont have real emotion sometimes but frustration with feeling incorrectly scumread by everyone is an experience i can relate to and im not sure i get as grumpy about it if it's correct

why did you like...not give a shit about lynching dann or following through on the mech guilty until now if you felt so strongly about it? i've p much convinced myself she hid behind nacho

I was still thinking about it and wanted to have a conversation with people I was thinking might be scum on why they were willing to entertain both Dann and Mena being town. I misunderstood one of your confusing posts earlier that included a weird thought experiment where they were both town but then you said it was just a weird post. Then I started asking Pink Ball about his reasoning and Ali decided I didn't want to play the game because asking questions instead of leading a lynch is scummy now, since you know, it involves mech.

Prove me wrong. Why would Ank hide behind someone she basically never mentions?

And while you're at it, why are you not scum for joining in the "oh no krazy is talking about mech" bullshit? Why do you want to ignore a guilty or displace it onto something that there is zero reason to think happened?

i would townread the bold if i were not playing in the slot

Why isn't Mena more likely the guilty from your perspective? It feels like you switched that to fit this narrative you're pushing about me.

If this is how you feel why did you not join me on Mena ever until now? Why did you only flip your read on Mena when he flipped his read of you?

these questions seem like real scumhunting

this feels like an ace you've been keeping in your sleeve, not like believable trajectory.
we're in a spot where it's distinctly beneficial for scum to play all their cards
town!you abso-fucking-lutely actually makes an effort to play this in better faith than you've played it here

Maybe because if I express uncertainty about it or ask people their opinions I'm accused of only talking about mech? And in fact people have been piggybacking on mastina pushing back against me having mech? And I just had to deal with a townflip from someone who accused me of only talking about THIS VERY MECH?

So now it's a guilty. Prove me wrong. I don't give a fuck if you like my "trajectory" this game has been a shitshow and now I'm making a decision. At this point the town needs some level of direction.

again this frustration comes across town
this might be the towniest post in the whole batch - "deal with a townflip" is probably a turn of phrase scum avoid and the last paragraph is v real

Oh okay

so if I talk about it I get all caps

but if I don't talk about it it's not a real trajectory

more of the same

You know what this game literally isn't worth it, I'm going to really start losing you here duck so I'm just going to write this off as alignment shit and call it a game.

why would scum get frustrated enough to replace out of a game they're winning this hard?

Please feel free to call me with any further questions. Thank u 4 ur time.

This stuff looks pretty solid. Especially the last point, I've had that on my mind a little myself, more along the lines of "what made him replace out now of all times"?
Also VOTE: PP

[Gamma Emerald]

If so it's the shittiest blitz of all time

100% same

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm having a silent laugh about the dating site thing rn

[Gamma Emerald]

the Geneva convention could not imagine this kind of high level torture ur giving us. They would have thought this was worst than any other crime imaginable but they couldn't imagine it.

Top tier gif choice.

[Gamma Emerald]

No One has died.

Giga swag
Now we have Dunn, SS, and Wooper as conftown, leaving 4 scum in an objective 8 person pool. I want to continue my thought process but I need to solidify the next step

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote Count 5.FINAL

Flavor.

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

PenguinPower (7): MariaR, Pink Ball, wooper, Gamma Emerald, Cephrir, Dannflor, Firebringer,
Cephrir (0):
Firebringer (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Something_Smart (0):
MariaR (0):
the worst (0):
Iconeum (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Dunnstral (0):
Menalque (0):

Alisae is endorsing: Penguin Power

Not Voting (5): PenguinPower, Iconeum, Dunnstral, Menalque, Something_Smart,

Deadline: Day 5 will end after 24 hours, on October 19th. This is in (expired on 2019-10-19 20:20:00).

It is now MYLO.
Pine is offering a Rolecop Fruit. Wooper and Iconeum are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Vigilante Fruit. Dunnstral is bargaining for it.
This may come as a shock, but it is not in fact D1. I'll be fixing the deadline in previous votecounts to reflect this.

So at a minimum, 2 scum have to be on PP, mathematically.

[Gamma Emerald]

PenguinPower, Visitor Minion of Pine, was lynched Day 5.

BTW figured Pine was lying about what the scum power setup was

[Gamma Emerald]

So at a minimum, 2 scum have to be on PP, mathematically.

Lord, give me the strength not to snap at the wagon color inners. Lord, deliver me from VCA. I need your strength to keep my lunch down when they start selecting arbitrary groups and declaring random amounts of scum to be in them.

No this is actually always true: Dunnstral and SO were off the wagon so two out of seven living town at that time were off the wagon. Thus 2 scum HAVE to be on it. Maybe don't knee jerk react to any attempts to look at a wagon.

[Gamma Emerald]

for a minute yesterday when he pushed back at me for my reasoning on him scum I thought that might have been the town!gamma I was looking for but I think it was a superficial reaction he was trying to generate because it disappeared as soon as it appeared.

This kinda slipped you mind but this is like super fucking organic thought imo. Scum probably don't work in the fact that something they did was a reaction test this subtly.

[Gamma Emerald]

You = my

[Gamma Emerald]

mena icon mariar pink ball all town

So your propposed scum team is Cephrir - Me - Fire - Dann? Weird take

[Gamma Emerald]

I think that is an exceedingly fractious (I think this word is accurate) group to be the remaining scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Also can someone make this or a re-cropping of this avatar size so I can have it as a "pirate" avatar?

Spoiler:

[Gamma Emerald]

Fire, what happened to your Gamma tunnel?

What makes me so confirmed scum to you, today, that you prefer me as the lynch over anyone else?

Apparently it was a reaction test? Maybe I misconstrued the post explaining but that's my conclusion.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who died? I tracked Maria and I got no result.

No result or no visit?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who died? I tracked Maria and I got no result.

No result or no visit?

My brain went dead or short circuite
Wtf is this difference?

Tells if the user is roleblocked or not.

[Gamma Emerald]

It spoils immediately when the Town:scum ratio reaches (x+2):x." is objectively true.

I cannot specify what 'spoils' means in the context of this game.

There's only one thing it could reasonably mean.

I contend that if the fruit is usable now, he has stated something that he expected to be interpreted in a way that is incorrect, which is a lie, since lying is about intent and not about a literal correspondence between the words and the world (which doesn't exist anyway).

Ask anyone whether a fruit, once spoiled, can become unspoiled, and they'll tell you no, because that's part of our understanding of what it means for fruit to spoil. Pine knows this, and he chose his wording to produce that interpretation. If the fruit can unspoil, he lied, plain and simple.

Moon logic of the highest caliber

LOL no
That's fairly sensible

[Gamma Emerald]

Dunn didn't use the fruit

Well, no one wins, no one lose, that's ok. I thought your masterplan was protecting him, I was so excited

I am weirded out by your wording because thats the exact same wording I used when I was talking to Pine during the night phase.

I did note the typo, was that there in your message to/from Pinr?

[Gamma Emerald]

Any statement including an objective falsehood, with the exception of lies of omission (which are explicitly allowed by the OP).

For example, I can't verify the truth of "You don't have to worry about fruit X anymore" because I don't know if worrying about any fruit will have a net positive or negative effect on the town. I can't verify statements like "I never felt like using it" because I don't know Pine's inner thoughts and he COULD be telling the truth. If Pine were to say "The Governor fruit will give the ability to speak perfect Mandarin IRL" I could then give the exact wording of the Governor fruit's abilities as described in the scum PT, as that is an untrue statement. (I hope no one considers confirming that Pine's fruit can't magically affect you IRL a modslip.) I can specify a statement is true or unverifiable, and the statement that the fruit spoils under the specified conditions is both verifiable and objectively true.

Until or unless he does lie, I can't give out any information about the fruit and their abilities.

I don’t know if this is redundant, but based on this getting an answer out of Pine is the best way to check if spoiling means what we think

[Gamma Emerald]

I think me being a doctor is cool but probably super toxic, but something Pine should be able to play around, he's just a good player.
I think Pine being able to give out fruit is fine. I think the fact this is being turned into a bastard mechanic kind of just makes the game unfun.

Idk about unfun, yeah some of it seems cruel but know that we know, it's something to play around. That's why mods post whether bastard elements may be involved when queueing, so it's present in the players' minds.

[Gamma Emerald]

If pine gives a cop but it gives opposite of expected results then it’s bastard

But if it just gives you no result on most players or doesn’t ever give results it isn’t bastard

Yeah, cos that's not a side effect: that's a change of the main effect

[Gamma Emerald]

Today’s first fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot ability, able to activate at any time, to become Informed. They will have a significant aspect of the setup revealed to them.

This shot must be used before the next daystart after it is received.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

You may begin bargaining now...

This is received at the end of this day right

[Gamma Emerald]

there's obviously a mechanic which is keeping him handing out fruit
he didn't hand out the rolecop fruit yday

Ummm what
I don't think the rolecop fruit was necessarily not handed out, it could have gone to one of his team. However I think with the fact there was mass claim having a rolecop fruit wouldn't prove very useful outside of fringe cases. So you

might

be right. But I think you're kinda off base still.

[Gamma Emerald]

in fact, why even read his posts, other than for possible humor value?

Spew/antispew? It's actually pretty relevant to the game?
Why do you think it's so foolish to read what Pine says?

[Gamma Emerald]

Nothing ceph has posted over the last few pages makes me forget what Krazy was doing, no. It's a replace in into far late game, of course he will look townie by saying things like "does the scumteam has daychat"; that slot is doomed for me far before he replaced in and I'm not reevaluating at this point.

Ok enough with the dramatism. Yeah I've liked some of his posts but if it's not him it's Maria and I don't think it's Maria so...

I'mean trying to read it on it's on merits whilst weighing that against what Krazy did. So rn I'mean mostly liking what Cephrir brings, but his approach to dealing with Pine is ehhhh which tips the scales negatively.

[Gamma Emerald]

mariar/menaphos
^ strong town via meta

Talk about these, especially Maria

[Gamma Emerald]

In what world does Cephrir not give his honest opinion on whether it's a good idea to listen to Pine?

It can be his honest opinion but something about his adamance strikes me as wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

i am thinking of doing icon next because he has the fewest posts and i saw one post of his during dann iso that i didn't like

I also made a case for how penguin and ico make sense as a team.

Why did you quote the post you did? I don't find it suspect, only intriguing.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma

Quick question, why have you seemingly scumreading me without fail since like the beginning of D5? At one point the logic was "PoE" but that doesn't seem the case now? If I am to be lynched I'd like to know why.

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess it's still PoE
Can you come up with a solid reason outside of that?

[Gamma Emerald]

5...4...3...2...1...

Ding! Offer expired.

I decided I didn’t want to hardclear Gamma after all.

Saw this coming

[Gamma Emerald]

The most towny thing Gamma has done was that watch report he outted in a really bad way that I think scum would be more aware of.
Also @Mena. There are certain things but I'm too tired to get them so if you can lay out your reasons why you think pb is town (or quote them idc) I can agree/disagree that'll prob be easier.

That wasn't what it seemed like you thought at the time

[Gamma Emerald]

He literally gave someone a fruit so they would vote me on day 1 when I was a leading wagon.

Except I don't think you ever got close to lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

It can be his honest opinion but something about his adamance strikes me as wrong.

Do you know what about it feels wrong?

It seems like even if that is his honest belief, he is presenting it in a way that seems more based towards influencing others than expressing his own practice.

[Gamma Emerald]

Shut up, icecat

So a lynx?

[Gamma Emerald]

How about we just keep this bargain open for now. On the table, as it were.

Bargain: Informed

I have an off the wall suggestion: if I get it and the information I receive is something not known by some other method, I will not state what the information is directly. I will still act on it myself, which may tip people off to it, but I will avoid blatant allusion to anything involving the information.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Wooper I just distrust anyone saying they are meta reading Claire. I did have like a framework of behavior but at this point I don't know if it's any good at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma lvl w me why have you played the fruit mechanic so antitown? you must have a broader reasoning than just like.. wanting fruits

How is the way I've played it antitown to you? Please use detail, that way I can effectively answer because I might have like a special subconscious reason, but as it is I don't really know. The best I can say rn is "desire for power + wanting to steer the game a little in ways I think would be helpful to town". I guess the latter is not coming through if you're asking me that

[Gamma Emerald]

what if we let him boycott a lynch today

This seems fair

[Gamma Emerald]

I made a case on Gamma and I made a case on u Iconeum.

Funny enough both these people only called me scum and as far as I know both of them only scumread me? Though gamma is in this weird phase where I don't know if he scumreads me or townreads me but if he no logner scumreads me that means I think he has zero scumreads.

Yeah you're right I'mean short on scum reads
One thing I might entertain is Dann, I think he has posted some town things but I don't know about big picture, and if Cephrir is town that probably makes Dann look worse.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ali is like making a really conspicuous effort to try and steer fruits to be used/not used in the most +ev way ey can - I guess I'm wondering why you don't care about em taking the lead

it's less important tho - what are your reads like atm? could you talk to me about why Maria is scum?

I'm OK with Ali taking the lead; I just feel like sometimes that leadership kinda lets things slip under the floorboards. Like the approach to the Informed fruit Ali is taking just seems to make the situation worse I feel. As for the other fruits I bargained for in a serious capacity, the Neighborizer I felt would help me make sense of the giant mess of a game this was, and the Watcher fruit I was inclined to take by a post that made me think no one else was going for it at the time (I think Titus was though).

[Gamma Emerald]

As for reads I'm not confident about any scumreads, Cephrir and Dann are kinda where my thoughts are leading though. I don't think MariaR is scum, at least with any confidence. What I do think is anyone claiming solid meta readability on her needs to back that up, because I thought I could but I don't think so any more.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also thinking about it I want to poke into Menalque because they are self-described as not really in the game which could be a good spot for scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think he would replace out as scum.

Agreed, specifically, I doubt the time he replaced is when scum would. I think scum would have left earlier, like much earlier.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ali said she had Maria and her scumteam caught while spectating MLP, which was one of the most brain melting games I've experienced personally. Again I trust Ali to know when eir meta abilities are legit. Ey'd also be wary of the fact that scum need to play to pocket em.

Gamma if you can't pump out some believable towny content you'll be today's lynch. We have a free mislynch, if you're town not playing the game you're probably the optimal way to spend it.

That's one game; hardly worthy of a meta clear. If you want to say that is sufficient evidence, change the way you say it because rn you aren't really presenting it in a way I'd believe.

[Gamma Emerald]

GE for instance is a lot more twitchy now that scum need mislynches and the PoE is getting smaller.

How am I "twitchy"?

[Gamma Emerald]

That forced Gamma to take a more direct approach

I don't think you have an accurate picture of how I've handled Cephrir. When I took him on it wasn't to push him, it was to force him to define his statements. Look at what I posted at him again, tell me if that looks like trying to push a scumread on Cephrir.

[Gamma Emerald]

i wish gamma had discernibly alignment told. he hasn't...like, done anything of much substance in such a long time and it's super frustrating.

What does "anything of substance" even mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

SS got anything to add?

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

Are we that similar? I think you are generally more reserved.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the core difference is that as town I am bolder, there are probably other minor differences too

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the core difference is that as town I am bolder, there are probably other minor differences too

What have you done that was bold this game besides boldly outing your watch result in order to test Alisae?

I think my approach to the fruits I've chased has been somewhat bold, whilst I have asked about whether I should it was mainly to know if anyone else had a reason for me not to, or to get on the same page with what the plan for them was. Outside of that nothing else comes to mind, but I have been in various stages of ersatz throughout the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

As for reads I'm not confident about any scumreads, Cephrir and Dann are kinda where my thoughts are leading though

My thoughts on theory turned your townread into a scumread?

Surely my other actions and Krazy's should be forming the basis of a read. :/

It's not to the point of a scumread yet, but I do think I want to sort the two of you/lynch whoever within you two I think is scum today.

[Gamma Emerald]

ersatz

*googles*
"Not real or genuine"

That is me not knowing what the word means. I thought it meant "absent".

[Gamma Emerald]

I think my approach to the fruits I've chased has been somewhat bold

The reason I can't townread this is because Pine certainly has ideas on which fruits he wants his partners to get, and so if he suggested you should bargain for a certain fruit, you'd do it even if it superficially looked bad.

This actually brings me to something that bothers me: why did Pine object to me getting a neighbor fruit on d3 when I was inclined to neighborize a trusted townie, which would have made me want to share any possible secrets I might have? Was he that certain I had nothing of value?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol. Absent or not you have 471 posts, you should be able to point to something.

I do recall calling out LLD very early for the lame xofelf push

[Gamma Emerald]

Bargain: Neighborizer

Krazy and Chennisden are my neighborizer picks

Ok my memory kinda failed me: I recalled that I wanted just the straight towniest people, but I actually opted for town reads that I felt I could engage with (I think I townread chenny at that time)

[Gamma Emerald]

Let’s just vote Dann ig

I won't oppose this but I think I want more explanation on why he is scum before I vote myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Visitor is straight up negative utility

For scum? Idk about that. I would need to check the OP for something/ask the mod a question

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod do scum have multitasking by default?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not worried at all now that I have claimed.

Really?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mod do scum have multitasking by default?

No. If a scum player is multitasking, they will flip as such.

Okay. So the visitor is not negative utility for scum because it can somewhat exonerate the user from having done the nightkill.

[Gamma Emerald]

Sorry for stalling this out so much. Things only get spicier in this kind of stalled gamestate.

How?

[Gamma Emerald]

And I think gamma, fb have both had non lethal fruit?

But idk if pine would actually be that blatant

But I also kinda wonder if he would be given how the PoE is looking rn

Only the Vigfruit was lethal. Everything else still has a side effect (though the side effects of the investigator fruits are unknown)

[Gamma Emerald]

am i and wooper the only ones nodding their heads and going "yep yep, thats theater"

Why do they only do it on D1 and in LyLo
In Open 688 I pushed Agent Sparkles/RC for theater and I didn't arbitrarily stop for a period of time.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm fine with lynching dann

I think we should ignore the fruit

why not iconeum or me?

it's ok fire just bus me

u wish we were on the same scum team

we weren't supposed to give away that this game was multi ball yet

Ali said I haven't even seen scum theater yet

I think I just did now

Get your eyes checked. That might be theater but it also probably is not.

[Gamma Emerald]

eternally in catchup

Idk if you can say this if I just dgaf about reading what I haven't read. What do you mean by it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also ngl that was a good case post by hot dog

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like pine was yelling at gamma and iconeum to be more active and this why they are both more present in this day.

Then you are rather off base, my heightened activity started D5

[Gamma Emerald]

@Jingle to everyone

vote Dann
I'm done with this day.

Why tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Nope, you are nitpicking and biased, I win bye bye, turn off the mafia game now

You're both being childish, don't make me knock your heads together

[Gamma Emerald]

I should note I'm uneasy about the way we are excluding mena/Maria from suspicion. In part I guess because I dont know the reason. Sheer probability says one of those could easily be wrong. Dont smoke meta, kids.

Yeah, I'm more open to the Mena read but I don't know what the actual meta is rn. Maria I just question the validity of any meta read on her atm

[Gamma Emerald]

then there's that his 3142 is like full of people who have made it all the way to here which just seems weird? like I wouldn't expect town to successfully call 8 people lock town there in the game and then have 5/8 of them still around in endgame. I think that's more likely scum planning to hard back their buddies throughout the game and putting a bunch of them in their hard town reads to justify it later on

5/8 might be a lot to still be alive but the dead three were all town. The other 3 names were also towns. I think you might still have the right read but the reasoning is kinda shoddy at least on this point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bargain: Roleblocker

Ali I don’t think you’re helping with the fruit at all
Leash the ones that are given, but please stop trying to draw them out the way you are

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I checked and if I assume everyone PB called town there is actually town there are too many town slots
So Menalque you are probably on the right track...?

[Gamma Emerald]

[quote="In post 12844, Menalque"]then out of nowhere comes for Mastina while throwing PP in at the same time (6253) which I think is a recurrent pattern -- scum distancing while at the same time choosing to push the town player/quote]
Can you point out any more examples of this by him/other players? This is probably a good lead

[Gamma Emerald]

flipping on krazy in 6678 is prob the strongest argument for krazy!town or for pb!town. I'll be honest, I don't totally get how this fits in with pb!scum, but like I think some of the posts afterwards (6743, 6809, and 6822) seem weird in relation to that. like the energy and the belief isn't consistent imo and I think that means it's more likely to be faked which would mean scum

Yeah that last post looks like it is designed to drop charges on Krazy indefinitely

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I definitely think if PB is scum the theatre argument for the Dann+Krazy interactions gains a lot of traction so that’s gonna be on my mind going forward

[Gamma Emerald]

cause my country is burning down and I have to act like it isn't

what

Haven't heard about what's going on in Chile right now? Things have calmed down a little actually, but it's a hot mess

Bruh I thought Brazil was burning
Don’t tell me it spread

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you remember that good good wagon on PP a couple of days ago?

Not the lynching one, the one before that

No

[Gamma Emerald]

If u think you’re a better lynch than dann then vote urself

WHY NOT PINK BALL THOUGH

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Pink Ball
I actually want this rn

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Pink Ball
I actually want this rn

no

It sizzled out so fast I want to reignite it

[Gamma Emerald]

I think you're rather at fault for it vanishing so shaddup
You aren't helping rn

[Gamma Emerald]

i'm fine with either

VOTE: firebringer

You have very few Pink Ball mentions, walk me through some of your thoughts on him? I assume by this statement you have him closer to scum than town.

[Gamma Emerald]

I really feel Menalque dropping PB like he did is pretty questionable
Also still want data on those PP mentions I asked for earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

And still no reply on my case on iconeum by anyone.

It's okay I guess
But there was one thing you said in that post that I felt was odd, and you didn't respond when I called it out I believe

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah you weren’t really fooling me with this PB case tho tbh
I figured something was up because you talked about his older posts instead of his recent posts, so I wasn’t super interested in it.

That case was actually really solid looking though...

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair
But I was borderline on whether I wanted to call out Mena for the quickly dropped case so that revelation kinda came at a convenient ish time
Though I do question why Menalque as either align drops it that fast when he called out Peebs for doing it on PP, so the proposal by Pine does explain that
So honestly my gut tells me it makes him look worse but my head says it makes him look better
I'll go with my head here

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

D4 ICONEUM PUSH BAD

IM SORRY

What

[Gamma Emerald]

Wooper

Wat

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma maybe you should be reacting to the guy voting you

Seems like a joke vote, idk what you make of it

[Gamma Emerald]

Why here, SS?

Town Gamma is actively towny, scum Gamma fades into the background.

Gamma has faded into the background.

How? I don’t think I’ve faded at all today really.

[Gamma Emerald]

Neither of us shall fall. The walls are closing in on u alisae.

VOTE: Fire
I don’t like the way this feels

[Gamma Emerald]

Even if it's WIFOM, I don't think pine just does random WIFOM, I think he WIFOMs with intention. So I think the aim should be to try and figure out where the WIFOM was directed.

His intention is to mislead us about his intention.

So...random WIFOM. I’m getting the sense you are massively out of touch with the game and if you were not conftown I’d find it very concerning

[Gamma Emerald]

if ur town just vote mariar
I've just accepted that if I'm not 4/4 on my reads, we lost the game, and while we could lynch obvious scum, I don't want to drag the game out any longer.
Its to the point where if ur name isn't Mena, SS, or wooper, I'm most likely going to not see your posts (literally)

Sorry but I’ve been a weird streak where I’ve had a 50/50 win loss rate recently and I need a win to keep the balance I believe and I really do not mind 50/50 rn
So let’s actually try this game?

[Gamma Emerald]

ok i think im high but I'm explaining this wrong but

I'm betting the game on my reads and I want the game to be over if I'm wrong, so I'm at this point willing to quick lynch.

Gamma at this point is scum and he's not hiding it.
Krazy's cases on Dann was awful and Cephir made a horrible case for Icon so Cephir is also scum
Dann is scum because if he was town he would still put effort into lynching that slot or try as hard as he could to get that slot to be lynched. It wouldn't make him townie, but its just the right thing to do.
Firebringer flip as well as a recently finished game suggests to me that this isn't town!Maria's lategame. She does stuff here. What is she doing right now?
Boom nothing.

I think the only fresh points anyone ever brought against me were from Fire and they were still way off base. I don’t think you’ve ever stuck to calling me town even with your statements of “scum!Gamma wouldn’t out the watcher like that”. So please for the love of pizzas tell me what makes you think I specifically am scum. Also if PB ends up end gaming because he was stonewalled by you I will have your ass. I really think despite not being exactly made in good faith that case on PB has solid points.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry I'm not interested in lynching town

Hey here’s an idea
Maybe don’t just stick to your shitty reads after you’ve been proven wrong, and instead actually try to, you know, play the game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pine is baller enough to tell the truth about that and smart enough to lie about that.

Yo Ali didn't pine say something about a jinglenet message he shouldn't have been able to see at some point?

My take is that it either means nothing or one or both of those happened more than once

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry I'm not interested in lynching town

Hey here’s an idea
Maybe don’t just stick to your shitty reads after you’ve been proven wrong, and instead actually try to, you know, play the game?

culture of shitting on the IC ends today gamma.
if you're unhappy with the solve, do something to fix it. if you'd like inspiration, watch my discomfort on the communal Ico read and take inspiration.

I'd personally fucking love to see some ass kicking out of you.

I don’t want to shit on the IC but it’s damn clear e’s not playing the game to win. I feel like Ciera Easton in Survivor Second Chances rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Idunno u tell me
If u knew u were going to lose the game, would you want to lose it on D7, or D10?

We don’t know we’re going to lose though
It feels like you’ve given up which makes me super angry. I recently finished a game where I fought rather hard to not get screwed by bad timing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

Did we? I recall that premise being based on counterwagoning Fire, who flipped town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Neither of us shall fall. The walls are closing in on u alisae.

VOTE: Fire
I don’t like the way this feels

Gamma were you town or scum reading Fire here?

What is your top scum read right now, if you even have one?

I was scumreading him, but it was a bad read I shouldn’t have had
But when Fire gets all “fuk da polees” it just makes me want him dead so fast
Current top scumread is PB

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

Fucking stop this shit. It’s not helping.
And I wouldn’t mind your reads as much, if you would show that they actually are thought out. You don’t need to read the whole damn game back over but please don’t just jump off a cliff here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Current top scumread is PB

Why?

The case on him looked solid, his response looked too well timed, and the drop of pressure on him didn’t seem natural.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

Fucking stop this shit. It’s not helping.
And I wouldn’t mind your reads as much, if you would show that they actually are thought out. You don’t need to read the whole damn game back over but please don’t just jump off a cliff here.

Lol dude can you just lolcat already?

Let me ask you this: what do you think is more likely, strictly by probability? You actually did catch the entire team and I’m trying to damage control, or you’re wrong somewhere, and I’m trying to fix that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Current top scumread is PB

Why?

The case on him looked solid, his response looked too well timed, and the drop of pressure on him didn’t seem natural.

Who did the case on him? I didn't read most of yesterday.

These are all reasons outside of his actual play. What about his play do you find scummy?

Menalque. And do you want me to summarize the case or write my own thoughts?

[Gamma Emerald]

You tried this shit in V’s variety hour and I didn’t give a single fuck and my read never changed.
Want to contribute to the thread?
Post funny pictures and gifs.

No I am not “trying the same thing”. I’m not trying to get you to plain change your mind, I am trying to get you to rethink things. If after that you still think the way you do now then whatever. You act like you’re so right when one of your scumreads JUST FLIPPED TOWN. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

[Gamma Emerald]

Now I’m gonna have to go soon so don’t fuck the game up ffs

[Gamma Emerald]

and the drop of pressure on him didn’t seem natural.

also going back to look, the only one pushing PB seemed to be Mena??

What about the switch away from PB looking unnatural? And what does that even mean? Like do you think Mena and PB are partners?

why would this be scum indicative

Yes I do think Mena and PB are partners. It looks completely choreographed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Go to bed Ali.

trying its hard to turn my ipad off

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I don’t want to shit on the IC but it’s damn clear e’s not playing the game to win. I feel like Ciera Easton in Survivor Second Chances rn

Alright let's put it this way.
How many slots are in the game?
How many slots do you have control over?
Is Alisae that one slot?
No.

Shitting on em for not having a perfect solve when you're POE scum for doing sweet fuck all isn't a pot/kettle situation. it's either shamefully disrespecting the effort Ali is putting into the game, or it's scum manipulation (which is admirable, but truly shockingly bad play here).

If you're not happy with the gamestate, you have the power to fix it. And you fix it by being productive and playing to your wincon. Not by shitting on other people for playing to theirs.

duckie OUT *drops mic*

dude he’s desperate and he’s scum stop engaging with him

Hey brainiac. Town can be desperate too, it is LyLo, get a fucking grip. I wouldn’t be this cheesed at you if you were confirmed town, but you are and I made sure of it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Now I’m gonna have to go soon so don’t fuck the game up ffs

when did you start caring?
You haven’t cared since D1.
D4 you just gave your vote to pine and whatever, and since ur not actually doing anything.

Ur scum dude

I started caring Day 5 thank you not at all. And do you really hold me giving Pine my vote against me? Despite it ending up on who you wanted votes on?

[Gamma Emerald]

and the drop of pressure on him didn’t seem natural.

also going back to look, the only one pushing PB seemed to be Mena??

What about the switch away from PB looking unnatural? And what does that even mean? Like do you think Mena and PB are partners?

why would this be scum indicative

Yes I do think Mena and PB are partners. It looks completely choreographed.

You think the whole Menalque/Pine debacle was staged?

Yes

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes

why? like do you have reasons aside from a gut "it feels fake" read?

I thought it town spewed Mena

I'd be really impressed if he was capable of faking/coordinating that

I believe I noted it earlier but I was pressing him to resume the push and he comes in with this set of messages from Pine that explain his trajectory. It felt excusatory.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let's get
KRAZY KRAZY KRAZY WHEN WE HIT THE SCUM

I should probably just stick to my gut on Krazy

VOTE: Krazy

VOTE: krazzy

LET'S GET KRAZY KRAZY KRAZY TILL WE LYNCH THE SCUM

UNVOTE: Krazy

This day was exhausting, I'm not having fun anymore. Sorry.

hi, opinions on whether this is w/w?

I feel like it'd be a really weird way to bus and then suddenly drop it

How is it weird to drop a bus like that
I’d say it not being a bus would be weirder

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure anyone is really playing the game rn except the conftowns

I’m sorry what?
PEdit: who the fuck did you lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

The Scumteam of Pine, Dannflor, Lady Lambdadelta, Pink Floof, Iconeum, Dannflor, Penguin Power, Dannflor, Cephrir, and Dannflor has won!

Do not ever talk down to me again

[Gamma Emerald]

yay now time to get yelled at by people wooooooot

I’m not gonna yell at you ali I think you did a good job and it was nice playing with you

No. “I’m just going to ignore PB because it’s easier than adjusting my reads and playing the game” is awful behavior.

[Gamma Emerald]

The Scumteam of Pine, Dannflor, Lady Lambdadelta, Pink Floof, Iconeum, Dannflor, Penguin Power, Dannflor, Cephrir, and Dannflor has won!

Do not ever talk down to me again

Your reads were actually pretty on point, Gamma. You've got to be a lot more confident in prosecuting them.

Thanks, this means a fair bit to me
Like my group of 4 at the end was 1 off (had Menalque over Iconeum). I don’t think anyone else was actually that close.

[Gamma Emerald]

Your reads were actually pretty on point, Gamma. You've got to be a lot more confident in prosecuting them.

gamma had reads?

My point exactly. He did, and they were pretty good, but no one listened.

^Gamma this is why I like u btw^

Why did you not listen to me lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Stop being an asshole, warmpup.

im just speaking truth.

You aren't. We got out of MyLo and Gamma got the Dannflor/Krazy(Ceph)/PinkBall trifecta, which no one was able to do during the entire game 'cause we were fucking around with each other. When Gamma said that the day before this it was one of the most exciting parts of this entire game 'cause it felt like we would get caught, and our team strongly relied on that.

Tfw the scumteam validates you so hard

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is your new avi gamma?

our goddess and savior ciera "she voted out her mom" eastin

Thank you
FYI I remember more for a line from Survivor Cambodia (Second Chances)

[Gamma Emerald]

like I think if you just
put down a vote
on something we both agreed on
that would have been the lynch for the day and we will still be playing this game.

I think it would also bring some town points to your slot

But you didn’t ONCE indicate you would actually do that with all your “I’m ready to lose” talk

[Gamma Emerald]

Like that was my biggest problem, you giving up on the game entirely.

[Gamma Emerald]

like I think if you just
put down a vote
on something we both agreed on
that would have been the lynch for the day and we will still be playing this game.

I think it would also bring some town points to your slot

But you didn’t ONCE indicate you would actually do that with all your “I’m ready to lose” talk

so talking to me when I am specifically blocking out your voice and not wanting to engage with you is going to make me suddenly follow you because why?

I was trying to get past that, but honestly you need to listen to people instead of blocking out things that inconvenience you.

[Gamma Emerald]

like I think if you just
put down a vote
on something we both agreed on
that would have been the lynch for the day and we will still be playing this game.

I think it would also bring some town points to your slot

But you didn’t ONCE indicate you would actually do that with all your “I’m ready to lose” talk

so talking to me when I am specifically blocking out your voice and not wanting to engage with you is going to make me suddenly follow you because why?

I was trying to get past that, but honestly you need to listen to people instead of blocking out things that inconvenience you.

I block things out because I don't want to give scum room to look town.
Its a very wisdom-esque way of playing the game, ik.

Okay
So why would me, from your perspective, attempting to bus, make me townier?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also if Pine doesn’t make that deal with Menalque I don’t think I catch PB anywhere close to when I did
So thanks Pine for almost torching your game

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Pine keeps getting portrayed as the villain, I feel like he’s a very interesting hero too

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Pine keeps getting portrayed as the villain, I feel like he’s a very interesting hero too

Damn straight. I keep getting kidnapped, chased, and invaded in these games. I'm the victim in all of this!

I might mod a game where you are the hero, probably after the idea I have at the front of my line
Also I was considering quitting the site for a bit, until this game made me want to play more

[Gamma Emerald]

Dude, Fire, read the game. He torched my offer and outed it. That he then STILL voted you is more about you than him.Self-awareness, but pupper.

no my point is he played exactly how you wanted him to, i have no idea why you think this is scummy material and it confuses me.

Stop looking at one tree and see the forest. Rising Star is a body of work award, and I was interested in Menalque before this game ever started.

word

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Pine keeps getting portrayed as the villain, I feel like he’s a very interesting hero too

Damn straight. I keep getting kidnapped, chased, and invaded in these games. I'm the victim in all of this!

I might mod a game where you are the hero, probably after the idea I have at the front of my line
Also I was considering quitting the site for a bit, until this game made me want to play more

Can I be the villain

I’ll consider it, but mastina might also be interesting

[Gamma Emerald]

Also Ari I think you’re gonna have to wait for proper revenge

[Gamma Emerald]

Iirc Ciera’s alliance in SC was called the Witches’ Coven lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you speak with authority....

Because I’m pretty sure I just ended up with dibs on running Round 4

[Gamma Emerald]

Ban the witch?

Oh...burn. Seems better.

Just because we're banning people again doesn't mean you get to be trigger happy!

Now fetch me my matchbook!

Fool, fire only gives me more life!

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw which pages were the appreciation pages again

[Gamma Emerald]

I just realized
I don’t think the trio of me + PB + Menalque has been all town in a game yet

[Gamma Emerald]

The single mason is a cool idea and something my homesite kinda did once

[Gamma Emerald]

i plan to make a beloved princess role and give it to jeanne11

Tell her to stop being a coward and actually use her main instead of alt hopping constantly when you see her

[Gamma Emerald]

The Temptation of Menalque (tm) is the only time I used Jinglenet for attempted mechanical advantage.

Wait what was Jinglenet

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Fire brings something fair up but I also feel like he should realize this is the second time he’s been lynched for a certain pattern of behavior.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Fire brings something fair up but I also feel like he should realize this is the second time he’s been lynched for a certain pattern of behavior.

I don't mind getting lynched that much.

Well I mind when you waste mislynches for town by being an ass

[Gamma Emerald]

(RC wasn’t in this I just checked)