Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

[Dannflor]

Idunno u tell me
If u knew u were going to lose the game, would you want to lose it on D7, or D10?

We don’t know we’re going to lose though
It feels like you’ve given up which makes me super angry. I recently finished a game where I fought rather hard to not get screwed by bad timing.

Hey Gamma, this probably isn't a productive use of the thread, sorry

focus on your own play and doing some sorting of your own if you're town

[Alisae]

Idunno u tell me
If u knew u were going to lose the game, would you want to lose it on D7, or D10?

We don’t know we’re going to lose though
It feels like you’ve given up which makes me super angry. I recently finished a game where I fought rather hard to not get screwed by bad timing.

lol dude ur scum

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Neither of us shall fall. The walls are closing in on u alisae.

VOTE: Fire
I don’t like the way this feels

Gamma were you town or scum reading Fire here?

What is your top scum read right now, if you even have one?

this is really cute Dann!

[Dannflor]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

you can ignore me posts like you said you would instead of spamming the thread thank you

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

you can ignore me posts like you said you would instead of spamming the thread thank you

I feel like its important to remind people

[Alisae]

Eh whatever I’m going to bed

[Dannflor]

if icon is scum he was probably hoping to swing a wagon over lld but his townread of her was pretty ineffectual and the chennwagon remained vanity. not sure he was trying anything fancy here; i'm not sure scum!icon wouldn't have just voted one of the established wagons. regardless; opening lld wagon is insanely pure and i think if ico/lld is a thing krazzy actually was probably town ;s

The one point for town!Ico here is that his presence was so low that I can't believe he actually thought he'd have any sort of affect on the LLD wagon. Striking out on his own is ballsy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

Did we? I recall that premise being based on counterwagoning Fire, who flipped town.

[Wooper]

same deal w his big case on me
i called him out on how shit it was; he doesn't reply except to say he did full disclosure w it
#9788 says "Mastina flipping town we really need to lynch that duck tomorrow (or, you know, other solutions)" after not reevaluating
come mylo he's stopped pushing, slips back to a mechsolve asking for mason claims (lol)

10674 probs makes most sense if he's scum with 1-2 of {mariar, pb} and the scumteam have acknowledged pp's lynchability. pp was in antispew so i'm basically working off the assumption that at SOME level scum were preparing to distance from pp.
10676 shade fireb for fluffposting @ pien
10678 GEm "a lot more effort to sort, and genuine feeling in this" when compared to . . . ? i think 10292 & 10297 are kinda derptowny from gamma in this post but the others idrc about. actually think i agree with 10294 (from gamma) but not sure it's towny. i wouldn't call this genuine feeling or effort to sort tbh it's just..aloof and ponderous
10679 basically swinging in to push kats after i laid out the case....
10680 asking why i am not pushing kats ...... (and for mason claims)
10687 kinda derptowny but not in a clearing way; this was one of the popins i liked ali.
10690 preoccupation with mason claim..
10713 don't really think this is a towny pop-in anymore; it's derpy but in a way that makes me think he's not trying to work out if i'm s/s with kats (which i assume would be the function of town!ico asking the question)
10746 is the ... 4th ? time he mentions pp that i can find quickly, regardless it's not many:-

Spoiler:

I like dragonfruit.

You called?

~snip~
PenguinPower - been seeing PP pop up as scumreads here and there, but haven't noticed anything particularly scummy.
~snip

Out of the other PR's, I think the only legit scumrole could be PP's visitor? Tracker and doc would make sense for town.

pp remains lowest lynch; top two are kats & fire when his kats read is literally the fact i'm pushing scum!kats (despite the fact he's not comfortable w me suggesting kats is scum) and fire who he hasn't tried to earnestly case; he's kind of ... accepted i'm not to be lynched or something idrk i think i was townreading him at this point as well

not sure where the dann lynch suggestion here comes from actually.

10749 reason for SRing pp is mech; fireb is scum for coasting thru lylo : \
10752 townreads PP for claiming through gifs . . . . .
10753/11088 doesn't think it's likely we have 2 docs; no stated read on maria but 11091 doesn't really see benefit of town fakeclaiming doc
11104 i don't knowwww if i have any feelingssss about thissss
11107 lemme get a coffee and -
11403 appear 3/4 an hr later having skipped dann vs. krazy
11416 back to townreading dann; need to check for dann mentions in ISO. fireb is scum because his reads look set in stone and he just wants to lynch who he wants. given mason!kats pushes fireb to the top of his lynchpile i'm wondering where the case or enthusiasm for this lynch is.
11417 hot take alert - {krazy,dann,gamma} aren't all scum? he still wants to lynch fireb (mislynch who he hasn't evaluated or cased), then gamma. because krazy/dann felt very natural to him. : ] isn't that nice ~!
11420 reads up on 30pgs at a time but his reads don't tend to change; not really any public catchup; his time is spent reading and then interacting with the thread. there doesn't seem to be tangible reevaluation pretty much anywhere tbh. he wants the rolecop fruit.
11429 is getting a quote:-

I think Krazy is town here, because I can relate to his feelings. He was being called scum for not pushing reads, which he would do as town. But this is a hard game to 'work in', and once you guys started playing with each other, you could really see Krazy get into his element. Yeah, I townread that.

GE felt more survivalistic, focusing more on not being scumread then actually scumhunting.

Dann, I don't know. His meta push on Krazy was good, but once Krazy started what should be towntelling for Dann: basicly playing the game, he wasn't reconsidering. This could very much be scum.

3rd paragraph particularly: the fact he doesn't find this concerning on krazy's part disturbs me.

11435 agrees scum!krazy should be simulating what's expected of him but townreads krazy for an nai-to-maybe-scum-indicative post about the IC stump gaslighting townies
11459 wants to start voting - check for read eval


misses pp flashwagon


sod6:
11939 ... this was his first consideration; nothing about flipped scum, missing the flashwagon, his read on PP gradually getting worse, just.. not getting the fruit
from a mindset perspective this tells me the rolecop is on his mind which means there's a v good chance he's been thinking about the rolecop fruit; whether scum used it or decided not to due to side effects or w/e. i didn't get it, i think pine said there's drawbacks from not giving it out. it works at that level.


idk exactly what the solve is with scum!ico but he reads w/w with both flipped scum.

[Dannflor]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

you can ignore me posts like you said you would instead of spamming the thread thank you

I feel like its important to remind people

I can put "btw Alisae thinks I'm scum" on the end of each one of my posts if that'd make you feel better

btw Alisae thinks I'm scum

[Alisae]

ig I can’t stop scum from posting so...

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

you can ignore me posts like you said you would instead of spamming the thread thank you

I feel like its important to remind people

I can put "btw Alisae thinks I'm scum" on the end of each one of my posts if that'd make you feel better

btw Alisae thinks I'm scum

<3

[Gamma Emerald]

Neither of us shall fall. The walls are closing in on u alisae.

VOTE: Fire
I don’t like the way this feels

Gamma were you town or scum reading Fire here?

What is your top scum read right now, if you even have one?

I was scumreading him, but it was a bad read I shouldn’t have had
But when Fire gets all “fuk da polees” it just makes me want him dead so fast
Current top scumread is PB

[Dannflor]

Current top scumread is PB

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

Fucking stop this shit. It’s not helping.
And I wouldn’t mind your reads as much, if you would show that they actually are thought out. You don’t need to read the whole damn game back over but please don’t just jump off a cliff here.

[Alisae]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

Fucking stop this shit. It’s not helping.
And I wouldn’t mind your reads as much, if you would show that they actually are thought out. You don’t need to read the whole damn game back over but please don’t just jump off a cliff here.

Lol dude can you just lolcat already?

[Gamma Emerald]

Current top scumread is PB

Why?

The case on him looked solid, his response looked too well timed, and the drop of pressure on him didn’t seem natural.

[Wooper]

how is his team playing around his slot?

bluntly I don't have a team yet.
I need to talk through Ico because I don't have this sorted and I don't trust him.

he still looks s/s with krazy - I sincerely don't think Ceph actually thought he had the charisma or influence to pull off a lynch on ico. The read feels slimy. I agree it's more scum indicative for Ceph than ico but no part of it makes me want to discount w/w. It's a mislynch case or it's tmi. if it's tmi he wants it to look like a mislynch case because ico is a deep wolf ftpov your reads. I seriously don't think it's clearing.

final wolf: not sure yet.

[Dannflor]

11104 i don't knowwww if i have any feelingssss about thissss

It can be written off as NAI either way but also works as a form of PR fishing for a portion of the setup the scum team would be greatly interested in

or just derpy!town but I feel like it's a stretch to read all of Ico as derpy!town

[Dannflor]

Current top scumread is PB

Why?

The case on him looked solid, his response looked too well timed, and the drop of pressure on him didn’t seem natural.

Who did the case on him? I didn't read most of yesterday.

These are all reasons outside of his actual play. What about his play do you find scummy?

[Alisae]

You tried this shit in V’s variety hour and I didn’t give a single fuck and my read never changed.
Want to contribute to the thread?
Post funny pictures and gifs.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also wooper, we already established that scum was super okay with bussing LLD.
MariaR, Krazy, Dann, GE, all voters on that wagon (from memory)
Why would Icon decide to defend LLD. He’s the odd-man out in this situation.

I think it's rare a scum team all takes the exact same stance. Unless the situation really calls for, generally a scum team that large can have players all over the different sides of a wagon/issue.

You are also scum

Fucking stop this shit. It’s not helping.
And I wouldn’t mind your reads as much, if you would show that they actually are thought out. You don’t need to read the whole damn game back over but please don’t just jump off a cliff here.

Lol dude can you just lolcat already?

Let me ask you this: what do you think is more likely, strictly by probability? You actually did catch the entire team and I’m trying to damage control, or you’re wrong somewhere, and I’m trying to fix that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Current top scumread is PB

Why?

The case on him looked solid, his response looked too well timed, and the drop of pressure on him didn’t seem natural.

Who did the case on him? I didn't read most of yesterday.

These are all reasons outside of his actual play. What about his play do you find scummy?

Menalque. And do you want me to summarize the case or write my own thoughts?

[Something_Smart]

Go to bed Ali.

[Wooper]

I don’t want to shit on the IC but it’s damn clear e’s not playing the game to win. I feel like Ciera Easton in Survivor Second Chances rn

Alright let's put it this way.
How many slots are in the game?
How many slots do you have control over?
Is Alisae that one slot?
No.

Shitting on em for not having a perfect solve when you're POE scum for doing sweet fuck all isn't a pot/kettle situation. it's either shamefully disrespecting the effort Ali is putting into the game, or it's scum manipulation (which is admirable, but truly shockingly bad play here).

If you're not happy with the gamestate, you have the power to fix it. And you fix it by being productive and playing to your wincon. Not by shitting on other people for playing to theirs.

duckie OUT *drops mic*