Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Wooper]

This post shades both Wooper and me wrt our voting on FB. Why? Because at this point scum know they can probably get a mislynch on FB, but need another one tomorrow (today). I'm 100% certain in the scum shortlist, but I think scum make this play to open up a possible lynch on Wooper through WIFOM. Menal uses his deepwolf status to do this.

short term I'm cleared (and also very towny) and I think scum are wary enough of the gamestate that I'm not a viable mislynch

long-term if there's paranoia on me it's gonna be augmented by me posting poorly / not posting and is gonna manifest more naturally without shading - he's not using powers of inception to whisper sweet scummy nothings into the ears of us good townies - he's stating paranoia. If he's scum this accomplishes nothing and idk what agenda you're really seeing here

And now hedging his read on Wooper: 'He's unlikely scum, and he shouldn't be lynched. At least not until LYLO. Like, not lynch at all. Except in LYLO. Maybe'. This is an entire lategame minded post designed to explain his LYLO vote on Wooper.

Is this a serious take? This is ridiculous and scum!Mena always loses an attempt to mislynch me late-game; if he's suggesting I'm scum you have to accept that I pocketed Ali ridiculously well and then Pine voluntarily stepped out of XyLo. This kinda reasoning doesn't gel with what's actually happening Ico.




pedit: hold on

[Wooper]

I still just don't think Maria is playing towny here; outside of you pulling rank on "I can read Maria and this is her damn towngame" I'm not really interested in considering her town unless I see it cased :U PoEish but she's surface scummy but I'm also fine with this being a PoE read

why does town!mariaR say she doesn't want to repeat the day phase 2 days ago to try and get us to not lynch PP?

omg she was my nemesis in lynching scum and I forgot

Fuck d6

[Iconeum]

if he's suggesting I'm scum you have to accept that I pocketed Ali ridiculously well and then Pine voluntarily stepped out of XyLo

this is a good point

[Alisae]

Is this a serious take?

which alignment is going to make you think this wooper buddy?

[Wooper]

Ceph's case is scummier than Ico's ass is towny

[Wooper]

Alright I'll take it
Maria => Ceph => cry very loudly irl

[Alisae]

Ooooh, VCA! I love manipulating VCA!

FYI: There was an all-Town lynch and a lynch with the entire scumteam on it.

MariaR, Katsuki, Krazy, Iconeum, PenguinPower, Firebringer, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald, PenguinPower, Dannflor, Pink Ball, the worst, Menalque, MariaR,
‪Katsuki‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪Firebringer‬, ‪the worst‬,
‪the worst‬, ‪Katsuki‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪Firebringer‬, ‪Dannflor‬

[Alisae]

Actually that pine post is probably the lie I should stop caring about it/

[Wooper]

Pine is baller enough to tell the truth about that and smart enough to lie about that.

Yo Ali didn't pine say something about a jinglenet message he shouldn't have been able to see at some point?

[Alisae]

I think you’re thinking about what resulted in Titus getting killed?

[Wooper]

I'll analyse it when I'm home. I think you should put 0 serious weight into it. It might be true. It might not. It's more an interesting titbit than anything that will win the game.

Pine definitely meant it to impact you/other vca fans lol I should actually vca a little

pedit: I'm not really sure sorry

[Wooper]

I seem to remember him being privy to a private message I'd seen. I wondered if it might be of value but if it's off your radar, prolly not.

[Alisae]

I'll analyse it when I'm home. I think you should put 0 serious weight into it. It might be true. It might not. It's more an interesting titbit than anything that will win the game.

Pine definitely meant it to impact you/other vca fans lol I should actually vca a little

pedit: I'm not really sure sorry

we should be able to compare all of the statements of
There is one scum in {Pink Ball, Mena, PP}
There is one scum in {Krazy, Iconeum}
There was an all town wagon
There was an all scum wagon

And figure out what is a lie via just deduction

[Alisae]

I think the statement about the wagons is the lie though so not sure its worth the time

[Wooper]

I'm flashing back to restless goats
Scum!jjh was objectively caught but was kind of able to post and he like kept trying to instil paranoia really delicately in our minds

Dann and I nearly lost by overthinking the final mislynch (goddamn I wish dann was town here); pine and Mastina basically kicked us in the face and told us not to get paranoid or listen to caught scum

Stuff like e.g. jjh's "I wonder how many scummies this game will get nommed for" were like... surprisingly headfucky. I wouldn't be surprised if Pine takes the opportunity to lie on those more impactful posts, and stays honest on the ones which are less important.

Just kinda thinking aloud

[Wooper]

so firstly: if the wagon comment is true Maria is necessarily town?

[Alisae]

I wonder how many scummies this game will get nommed for

[Wooper]

WHAT IF WE ARE THE DEEPWOLVES

[Alisae]

so firstly: if the wagon comment is true Maria is necessarily town?

it would conflict with the other statements

[Wooper]

MariaR,

Katsuki

, Krazy, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,

PenguinPower

, Dannflor, Pink Ball,

the worst

, Menalque, MariaR,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪MariaR‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪Dannflor‬

accept MariaR is undeniably town via being on all wagons

MariaR

,

Katsuki

, Krazy, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

, Menalque, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,

PenguinPower

, Dannflor, Pink Ball,

the worst

, Menalque,

MariaR

,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪Dannflor‬

either all of {Krazy, GEm, Dann} are town or Menalque is town. working off the simpler

MariaR

,

Katsuki

, Krazy, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

, Gamma Emerald,
Gamma Emerald,

PenguinPower

, Dannflor, Pink Ball,

the worst

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪

Menalque

‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Krazy‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪Gamma Emerald‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪Dannflor‬

Gamma Emerald is confirmed scum with either {Krazy, Ico} or {Dann, PB}




working off the more complex:

MariaR

,

Katsuki

,

Krazy

, Iconeum,

PenguinPower

,

Firebringer

, Menalque,

Gamma Emerald

,

Gamma Emerald

,

PenguinPower

,

Dannflor

, Pink Ball,

the worst

, Menalque,

MariaR

,
‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪Menalque‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

the worst

‬,
‪

the worst

‬, ‪

Katsuki

‬, ‪

Krazy

‬, ‪

MariaR

‬, ‪

Gamma Emerald

‬, ‪

Firebringer

‬, ‪

Dannflor

‬

doesn't work
meaning if this statement was true, GEm is scum with either {Krazy,Ico} or {Dann,PB}

honestly, neither are impossible.

back in the "maybe?" bucket.

[Wooper]

There is one scum in {Pink Ball, Mena, PP}
There is one scum in {Krazy, Iconeum}

but yes
it conflicts with these.

[Alisae]

Wooper friend ik this is fun since its actual logical deduction trying to determine if a lie is in fact a lie, but apparently there is a pine guarantee that there is 1 scum in Icon and Krazy, and when Pine told me that “Titus wasn’t shooting in that list but it contained 1 scum” and from evidence we are clearly seeing, that is most likely to be true then not true

Then a lie is a lie.
I shouldn’t have brought that up

[Alisae]

Actually, this is kind of fun.
What would need to be true if GE is town?

[Wooper]

Vote Count 5.10

Flavor.

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

PenguinPower (2): MariaR, Pink Ball,
Cephrir (1): Dannflor,
Firebringer (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Something_Smart (0):
MariaR (0):
the worst (0):
Iconeum (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Dunnstral (0):
Menalque (0):

Ailisa is endorsing: Penguin Power

Not Voting (10): Firebringer, Cephrir, PenguinPower, Iconeum, Dunnstral, Menalque, Something_Smart, wooper, Gamma Emerald,

Deadline: Day 5 will end after 10 days, on October 21st. This is in (expired on 2019-10-21 12:00:00).

It is now MYLO.
Pine is offering a Rolecop Fruit. Wooper and Iconeum are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Vigilante Fruit. Dunnstral is bargaining for it.
This may come as a shock, but it is not in fact D1. I'll be fixing the deadline in previous votecounts to reflect this.

VOTE: PP

VOTE: PP

I wouldn't encourage taking the L if anyone is scum
Pine is holding that rolecop fruit for a reason

Spoiler: Job Application for Gamma

Dear Mr. Emerald,

Attached please find my resume. I look forward 2 working with u and hope 2 hear from u soon.

I know it's not a guilty

Why would Ank choose Buffy other than that it was a joke

why would Ank choose movies when she doesn't even watch them

but okay, why if you are town, are you not pushing Mena? Who else could she have plausibly hid behind?

Like you continue to want to just drop it altogether but this is mylo and there is no reason to argue that it's a bad time to talk about a mech guilty

there's clear town motivation to wanting to figure this out still, and it does sound strange on the face of it that someone would want to dismiss this even though i, an enlightened one, agree

THAT'S NOT TOWN POSTING

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY TO THAT

if you're town you are confbiasing to the extreme here and it's actually ridiculous

you came in and said that I stopped tunneling you for political reasons when MASTINA was happening

that's so insane and laughable I refuse to believe you would drop that shade as town dude, there's no way. That's such a gross and incomprehensible misrepresentation it frankly is astonishing.

i like emotion in general but sure theres not too much here

I didn't say "lol pop in" after you started making posts with content

Yeah instead you said it IMMEDIATELY after I make my first post of the day

give me a break, if you want to interact with me why the fuck would you immediately go to poisoning the well?

if this has any basis in reality it makes me suspect dan but idk if he's just so tunnelled at this point he sees everything as an unreasonable attack

I am pushing Mena

read my posts maybe

okay then why the fuck is your argument "WHY DID THIS BECOME A GUILTY" and not "actually I think it's Mena"?

Why do you launch immediately into defensiveness?

seems like a good question 2 me, and the sort of thing that tends to come from someone who's super tunnelled

who's pushing you in bad faith then? where do you see the scum dogpile?

Maybe an entire page of people coming in and shitting on Dunn for townreading me?

im not sure how it isnt self evident that this is the type of thing that comes from someone whos actually frustrated
not that scum dont have real emotion sometimes but frustration with feeling incorrectly scumread by everyone is an experience i can relate to and im not sure i get as grumpy about it if it's correct

why did you like...not give a shit about lynching dann or following through on the mech guilty until now if you felt so strongly about it? i've p much convinced myself she hid behind nacho

I was still thinking about it and wanted to have a conversation with people I was thinking might be scum on why they were willing to entertain both Dann and Mena being town. I misunderstood one of your confusing posts earlier that included a weird thought experiment where they were both town but then you said it was just a weird post. Then I started asking Pink Ball about his reasoning and Ali decided I didn't want to play the game because asking questions instead of leading a lynch is scummy now, since you know, it involves mech.

Prove me wrong. Why would Ank hide behind someone she basically never mentions?

And while you're at it, why are you not scum for joining in the "oh no krazy is talking about mech" bullshit? Why do you want to ignore a guilty or displace it onto something that there is zero reason to think happened?

i would townread the bold if i were not playing in the slot

Why isn't Mena more likely the guilty from your perspective? It feels like you switched that to fit this narrative you're pushing about me.

If this is how you feel why did you not join me on Mena ever until now? Why did you only flip your read on Mena when he flipped his read of you?

these questions seem like real scumhunting

this feels like an ace you've been keeping in your sleeve, not like believable trajectory.
we're in a spot where it's distinctly beneficial for scum to play all their cards
town!you abso-fucking-lutely actually makes an effort to play this in better faith than you've played it here

Maybe because if I express uncertainty about it or ask people their opinions I'm accused of only talking about mech? And in fact people have been piggybacking on mastina pushing back against me having mech? And I just had to deal with a townflip from someone who accused me of only talking about THIS VERY MECH?

So now it's a guilty. Prove me wrong. I don't give a fuck if you like my "trajectory" this game has been a shitshow and now I'm making a decision. At this point the town needs some level of direction.

again this frustration comes across town
this might be the towniest post in the whole batch - "deal with a townflip" is probably a turn of phrase scum avoid and the last paragraph is v real

Oh okay

so if I talk about it I get all caps

but if I don't talk about it it's not a real trajectory

more of the same

You know what this game literally isn't worth it, I'm going to really start losing you here duck so I'm just going to write this off as alignment shit and call it a game.

why would scum get frustrated enough to replace out of a game they're winning this hard?

Please feel free to call me with any further questions. Thank u 4 ur time.

This stuff looks pretty solid. Especially the last point, I've had that on my mind a little myself, more along the lines of "what made him replace out now of all times"?
Also VOTE: PP

This stuff looks pretty solid.

ngl im surprised you had a positive response to that i feel like everything i said could easily be gleaned from reading the posts! but ok!

VOTE: PP because Glorious Leader has spoken

This wagon shld be telling

just a reminder of this, i like this

[Pine]

I'll analyse it when I'm home. I think you should put 0 serious weight into it. It might be true. It might not. It's more an interesting titbit than anything that will win the game.

Pine definitely meant it to impact you/other vca fans lol I should actually vca a little

pedit: I'm not really sure sorry

we should be able to compare all of the statements of
There is one scum in {Pink Ball, Mena, PP}
There is one scum in {Krazy, Iconeum}
There was an all town wagon
There was an all scum wagon

And figure out what is a lie via just deduction

Only two of those statements were true.

Have fun!