Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Firebringer]

But I just don't feel it, here.

because ur scum and u have been behind this whole entire game. Town!you would have been reinvigorated by a scum lynch. Here you are trying to play catchup and it shows your not into it, and I don't believe for one bit town you wouldn't try to catch some scum here instead of this reactionary stuff my dude.

[Wooper]

I was trying to psyche you up with the cute self meta stuff. we're not going down the rabbit hole any further. you know the slots I want cased--just talk me through stuff carefully. as much trajectory as possible

[MariaR]

I don't think he should focus on those scumreads more so as he should talk about the me and mena ones.
Cause we're in the town bin right now and that's what he should be pressing.

[Wooper]

I'm being smart this time MariaR. I pinkie promise.

[MariaR]

You're never smart duck.

[Firebringer]

wow so rude to the duck

[Wooper]

Can we just lynch MariaR so nobody bullies me anymore smh

[Firebringer]

I will bully u after she is gone tho

[Wooper]

MariaR => Fireb

[Wooper]

MariaR => Fireb

actually Ceph bullied me too......

[Firebringer]

MariaR => Fireb

okay u deserve the bullying. this was extremely rude

[Iconeum]

ok so we had Dann pushing Krazy

a major part of the push was that Town!Krazy would be pushing own cases and reads a lot more
During the 1v1, I could see Krazy getting into the game and started actually doing this. There were also a couple posts I clearly remember that reallly felt like town because I could relate to them

10997
10833

From 11329 he starts walling v Dann, and I don't see how you scumread that. Even worse, I actually don't understand how Dann didn't revaluate after Krazy did 'was expected'. Sure, scum could fake that I suppose, but I feel that comes more from a town defensive reaction.

11351 is another good post from Krazy, where he questions the timing of GE's callout.
11352 is the exact feeling I'd have in his position as town

11364 is a good summary of the feelings actually

After this, stuff got heated and I can see a town!Krazy melting down when he's finally invested and efforting, to no avail. Scum can easily vent in the scumPT and probably get calmed down by the team. I don't really wanna go there but: I don't think he would replace out as scum.

[Iconeum]

Wooper, if there are specific items you wanna go over wrt Krazy, throw it at me.

[Wooper]

keep going, I want the other 2.
I'll have a think about krazy

[Wooper]

I'm a demanding little bastard I want quality AND quantity

[Iconeum]

Ceyphir only added to my townread on Krazy slot, coming into this game with an open mind and I feel he would have been more informed? by the scumteam about his slot and gamestate then he was.

11599 is the beginning of his focus on gamma, who seemed adamant on convincing Ceyphir he is scum
11641 presses the issue that GE seems adamant on convincing Ceyphir his slot is confirmed scum and that he should just lay down. Or at least that's the feeling.

After a lot of pressure, Ceyphir does towncase his own slot which I didn't really catch anything out of (11739).

His tone throughout his ISO is chill, much more then what I would expect from scum. GE for instance is a lot more twitchy now that scum need mislynches and the PoE is getting smaller. FB is also working a lot more towards this, I feel.

This dude has also been actively sorting, went through the LLD ordeal, yeah I townread it and definitely don't wanna lynch here today

[Wooper]

definitely understood - how bout dann & GE?

[Iconeum]

I think both of their play makes sense as scum trying to lynch Krazy. Krazy's slot has been up for lynch for as long as I can remember, and now that scum *need* that lynch, Ceyphir drops in and towns it up a lot. That forced Gamma to take a more direct approach, and is a result of Dann's pushing without willingness to reconsider.

[Iconeum]

I know it doesn't really add up to my readlist that I posted just now, but I can see a scum strategy that was focused on getting me or GE lynched today. It makes so much sense that scum are becoming bolder in their pushes because they actually need to push their lynches now instead of playing a reactionary game.

[Iconeum]

i don't believe in meta-cleared tho

[Wooper]

could you unpack those reads a little more from me? you're doubling down on town!ceph but pushing dann down into scum territory? dann was your second strongest townread in your read list - can you show me where your mind was at then and what caused it to change?

that read is also pretty generic, i was hoping for something with a bit more iconeum flair :c you also used the same read for both dann and GE, which i don't think really reflects what they're doing particularly fairly

[Wooper]

if you don't believe in meta-clear that's fine; just unpack why you think both of those reads are wrong. i'm keen to see why you think mena is scum in particular (i'm strongly sheeping ali on mariar)

[Iconeum]

Dann shouldn't have been on that spot to begin with, and you already pointed out there's mistakes in there. I put him there on the wrong assumption that I strongly feel Krazy is town, and that doesn't make Dann town. On the contrary.

It might come across as using the same read, but it comes down to what I see the scumteam trying to do now: push the mislynches they want. That feeling I get from Dann's push (and continuation of it) on Krazy, and Gamma's focus on Ceyphir (trying to force the slot to scumread itself)

I realllly wish I could provide you with Iconeum*TM* reads, but I just don't have those. The game has been brought down to manageable levels, and I'm trying to help here, and I'm sharing my honest thoughts, but Fire wasn't wrong when he said I was still 'catching up to the game'.

[Iconeum]

My main motivation right now isn't to lead this town to victory, like I did in the game you referenced, but at least make sure I'm not mislynched if at all avoidable and take away any doubts the town leaders have about me. You'll just have to take it :s

[Iconeum]

i'm keen to see why you think mena is scum in particular

I... don't really have a scumread on Menal...