Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Menalque]

Okay, so the thing is not "was the case believable" it's "was it enough that we think pine believed that I was genuinely trying to live up to my end of the bargain"?

[Something_Smart]

@Jingle people need prods

don't know what you're talking about

[Cephrir]

Hi I'm here I'm just not paying attention.

It's very hard to not try to read into the above posts too much but I'm trying my best

If were even remotely on the right track, though, I guess I'll say my first inclination is that menalque might be town on account of how if this were a scum gambit they'd probably try to rehabilitate a slot that's doing badly rather than shore up someone who's not in danger?

Its wifom all the way down, though.

From what ive seen of the game I'm not especially keen on lynching fb anyway.

[Alisae]

@Jingle people need prods

don't know what you're talking about

VOTE SOMETHING aren’t you supposed to be SOMETHING SMART?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah you weren’t really fooling me with this PB case tho tbh
I figured something was up because you talked about his older posts instead of his recent posts, so I wasn’t super interested in it.

That case was actually really solid looking though...

[Alisae]

Yeah you weren’t really fooling me with this PB case tho tbh
I figured something was up because you talked about his older posts instead of his recent posts, so I wasn’t super interested in it.

That case was actually really solid looking though...

okay but where did that read come from?
I’m not really buying Mena coming out of nowhere with that read, something would had triggered it.

[Menalque]

I think the initial message is probably indicative of dann!scum, and I still think that's probably the right lynch for today. I think dann was probably going down today anyway, so if I'd immediately publicised the message, the scum who was getting lynched... gets lynched anyway. I think the main WIFOM in it is whether pine would give a scum alternative, or a town alternative for me to lead the counter wagon on.

But yeah, that's also not the most interesting thing. The most interesting thing, and the most valuable source of potential information here, is to look at what the movements where in votes/positions in response to my case(s).

[Menalque]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

[Alisae]

I mean sure, but I am rock solid in my reads right now.
The only thing that will change my mind is flips.

[Alisae]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

[Menalque]

fine w any of {Fireb, Dann, Ico}
think dann is vaguely better for gamestate analysis

think fireb removes a serious threat from the game who has been basically refusing to be readable up to & including xylo and has only started playing urgently now

don't think ico is likely to play harder or become more readable

I just realised fireb is the best lynch today LOL

this post worries me a lot tbh

[Cephrir]

I think the initial message is probably indicative of dann!scum, and I still think that's probably the right lynch for today. I think dann was probably going down today anyway, so if I'd immediately publicised the message, the scum who was getting lynched... gets lynched anyway. I think the main WIFOM in it is whether pine would give a scum alternative, or a town alternative for me to lead the counter wagon on.

But yeah, that's also not the most interesting thing. The most interesting thing, and the most valuable source of potential information here, is to look at what the movements where in votes/positions in response to my case(s).

This is a good think

[Dannflor]

Yeah Menalque is town

I don't think Pine sends that message to scum and no offense but based off his play so far this game I don't think Mena can fake this

[Gamma Emerald]

Fair
But I was borderline on whether I wanted to call out Mena for the quickly dropped case so that revelation kinda came at a convenient ish time
Though I do question why Menalque as either align drops it that fast when he called out Peebs for doing it on PP, so the proposal by Pine does explain that
So honestly my gut tells me it makes him look worse but my head says it makes him look better
I'll go with my head here

[Menalque]

I think Gamma is prob spewed pine here.

Dann, if you were probably the lynch anyway, in a world where you're town, why would pine try to get me to lead a counter wagon to you?

[Menalque]

spewed town lmao

[Cephrir]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE SOMETHING aren’t you supposed to be SOMETHING SMART?

grumble grumble fine

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Cephrir]

I guess this pine thing is a reason to suspect dann but that's all I got and pine based reads are worthless so ??????

[Alisae]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

D4 ICONEUM PUSH BAD

[Dannflor]

I think Gamma is prob spewed pine here.

Dann, if you were probably the lynch anyway, in a world where you're town, why would pine try to get me to lead a counter wagon to you?

I think even if Pine didn't think you were gonna out the message, he at least accounted for the possibility you would.

I'm town, and with Ali's read locked, I think I'm dying inevitably. It probably doesn't matter to him whether it's today or tomorrow. If he can get another mislynch like Fire done first? It might just win him the game

[Dannflor]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

D4 ICONEUM PUSH BAD

IM SORRY

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

D4 ICONEUM PUSH BAD

IM SORRY

What

[Cephrir]

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

Literally could not pick 3 worse lynches

No one has offered me one solitary reason to think dann is scum. Why are you pushing it? Can you not ignore me just because you think I'm scum? You need to give me the opportunity to show you otherwise because we are not in a good enough spot to just lynch whoever.

D4 ICONEUM PUSH BAD

I guess that doesnt convince me when I think iconeum is scum

I also dont even remember it but i guess i can look again

[Menalque]

I mean sure, but I am rock solid in my reads right now.
The only thing that will change my mind is flips.

Like I said, I lightly think that this spews gamma town for going after the pb case and then starting to worry about me abandoning it. Icon hopping onto what I thought was a fairly poor case is concerning. Ducky voicing support for it is the main thing that worries me and I really want him to talk about why he said that he'd prefer (or whatever exactly it was he said) an fb lynch to a dann lynch.

Dann -> Cephir -> Firebringer

sound good?

sorry, I missed these, didn't get a pedit

I still think dann is good today, yeah.

I think my lynchpool is looking something like (Cephrir, icon, fb, pb, Wooper) aside from that. I would lightly prefer icon before fb, I think, but other than that I'm pretty okay with it.