Are you allowed to say what it is at all?nocase wrote:hello.
also i have a post restriction.
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Pretty sure he's referring to that huge list of potential abilities and role modifiers in the OP dude. Which is actually a good pickup, there's nothing there as far as I can see that indicates post restrictions are on the cards.curiouskarmadog wrote:vote antihero
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After Spyre's post I'm kind of all the way into the serious mindset already.curiouskarmadog wrote:
you thought my vote was serious?Cyberbob wrote:
Pretty sure he's referring to that huge list of potential abilities and role modifiers in the OP dude. Which is actually a good pickup, there's nothing there as far as I can see that indicates post restrictions are on the cards.curiouskarmadog wrote:vote antihero
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Gut twinge here.Gorrad wrote:DGB, I want you to claim. I don't care if it's real or fake, your claims are fantastic and often game-changing, and I don't want you to be NK'd before you have the chance to turn this game on its head.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Is this a joke or what is going on here I don't know what to think of thisGorrad wrote:http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewto ... 1b894dc06d
If you're bored, read this game with a focus on DGB. It's worth the time. I have, on more than one occasion, joined a game primarily to see what the heck DGB's gonna pull in it.
That said, I'm getting a gut read as well.Unvote, Vote: Gorradtread softly because you tread on my dreams
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heckling from the peanut gallery is my middle name~
Still pretty leery of inHim backing up nocase's joke about having a post restriction, I mean it probably was a joke but it came right in that weird transition phase from the RVS to serious posting time. I also predict many headaches from reading Dutch one's posts; it seems like he's going to be a tricky one to get a read on with so much chaff already being thrown up in the phrasing of his posts.
Right now:
- DGB's doing that ~super confident list making self-towntelling keraaziness~ thing that she usually does, I agree with most of her points so far but I always get the feeling that this kind of playstyle is at least partly deliberate (I know players like ABR and that guy whose name escapes me right now do it as well). It's been pretty much forever since I've played with her so I forget whether she falls back into a slightly more on-point mode of posting as the game progresses.
- inHimshallibe is kind of doing the same thing as DGB to a lesser extent
- Gorrad is being really annoying. Not sure whether it's worth 4 votes (I'm disregarding his self-vote) though; probably just people voting for fear of being accused of overcautiousness during the RVS but I'd say there could plausibly be scum there
- antihero is totally town
- Korlash's Post 43 is really awkward in the way he attempts to soften his dismissal of the credibility of the list of possible roles in the OP with that super forced joke about professional dog walkers. Then he followed it up with a rambling post about I-don't-even-know-what, and thenanotherhalf-serious half-forced humour post in defence of his initial attempt. Scummy.
- wtf @ iamausername's Post 92?
- Seraphim's Post 69 is pretty suss, Korlash is more suspicious for similar reasons though (just more of it)Vote: Korlash
ps dgb that list of yours is upside down I would greatly appreciate it if you could amend this thanks ~~tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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You know, I actually find myself agreeing with much of this.Dutch one wrote:DGB, I know you are making a list like this a lot (other people say that, so I assume that is true), but it's an easy tactic to place yourself in the "town" list. With making this list you more influence in the lynching system because it makes people almost think they have to prove themself that they are townies. And because it's your list, because you are doing this often and because you placed yourself in the townie-list, you don't have to prove anyone, and you get away with it.
I'm not saying that I think you are scum (not yet), but I do think you are trying to make yourself look innocent in a sneaky way. I think you are just doing this to gain influence.
If you want to make a list like this that again (with a good intention): "Don't place yourself anywhere in the list". You look scummy if you do that. Then you are just waiting for someone to critisize it
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I don't think you're scummy for it but, intentional or not, it does kind of create that feeling of "oh gosh I can't challenge DGB what if she ~spontaneously turns on me~" in other people's minds. Not always the healthiest thing.DrippingGoofball wrote:
You guys are killing me.Cyberbob wrote:Dutch one wrote:DGB, I know you are making a list like this a lot (other people say that, so I assume that is true), but it's an easy tactic to place yourself in the "town" list. With making this list you more influence in the lynching system because it makes people almost think they have to prove themself that they are townies. And because it's your list, because you are doing this often and because you placed yourself in the townie-list, you don't have to prove anyone, and you get away with it.
I'm not saying that I think you are scum (not yet), but I do think you are trying to make yourself look innocent in a sneaky way. I think you are just doing this to gain influence.
If you want to make a list like this that again (with a good intention): "Don't place yourself anywhere in the list". You look scummy if you do that. Then you are just waiting for someone to critisize it
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Man, the first time I read his post it totally looked like the whole thing wasn't about putting yourself on the list specifically. The behaviour I'm talking about is what I described in the first dotpoint on the list in Post 96.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Putting myself on my own town list does that?Cyberbob wrote:I don't think you're scummy for it but, intentional or not, it does kind of create that feeling of "oh gosh I can't challenge DGB what if she ~spontaneously turns on me~" in other people's minds. Not always the healthiest thing.
And there I was thinking it might have been my habit of spontaneously turning on people.
All this line of reasoning seemed a lot more coherent in my head, honest.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Saying Korlash is more suspicious and then voting Korlash is saying one thing and doing another now? News to me man.inHimshallibe wrote:
Actually WTF. You're no longer on the Town list. Say one thing, vote another much?Cyberbob wrote: - Seraphim's Post 69 is pretty suss, Korlash is more suspicious for similar reasons though (just more of it)Vote: Korlash
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Alrighty then. Another list of dotpoints incoming.
- The funny thing about Chevre's ~huge textwall of doom~ is that for the most part it's a literal description of the events she's analysing. The actual analysis - the stuff that other people actually look for - only takes up maybe 20% of the total wordcount. I don't think it's scummy, it seems genuine to me - it's just a little amusing.
- Either my memory of Gorrad's intelligence is shot or he is simply not trying to be coherent. Voting me for lack of commitment when I've made what I would describe as a fairly strong attack on Korlash (particularly this early on Day 1)? u kidin bro? He has had little to add to his defence to the early wagon against him other than unconvincingly whinging about the RVS mechanics.
- DGB seems to be playing a pure game of fishing for reactions to her votes and keeping her other reads fairly close to her chest. Trying to keep scum in a constant state of unease?
- lmao @ Gorrad parroting DGB's points against Chevre after accusing me of playing along with the crowd
- I would be very surprised if DGB's case against Chevre is/was serious. Big shocker I know!! I'm really trying to take this game seriously (these days such a quality playerlist is rare - I'm trying to make the most of it), be gentle.
- I'm not seeing where the case is against Xalxe. Anyone feel like pointing me in the right direction?
Bolded part is something I managed to completely misread, sorry. That makes everything else a lot more believable.Korlash wrote:I never tried to dismiss the credibility of the list of possible roles, I tried to dismiss the credibility of Chevre's summary post in which she failed to acknowledge the list of possible roles in the OP. As her entire summary hinged simply on the fact the claim in question wasn't belevable in a normal game(As in not this particular game, as in not in a game with a list), i attempted to illistrate how listed roles would be more or less believable for lack of the OP list. Also I'm never half serious, I'm never even a quarter serious... It's a flaw that has impeded both potential job opprotunities and chances at procreation my entire life. :Sadface:Unvote,
I'll still hold to the part about forced humour though!
I'll drink to that. Gorrad is still scummier though.farside22 wrote:
CKD is on my scum list officially.curiouskarmadog wrote:OMG, I have been here for years...and that post was the longest I have ever read...firm stances and opinions...and lots of content...town or really ballsy scum...got to be town.FOS: CKD, Vote: Gorradtread softly because you tread on my dreams
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If your case on Anti is what I think it is though then yes I would definitely say there is something there - he's pushed all the wrong buttons in terms of declaring people obvtown as well as going after Korlash and Seraphim without even trying to explain his votes and opinions. I think I'm convincing myself a little here but I do want to push some of Gorrad's buttons for the time being at least.iamausername wrote:Whoever posts next, please explain in nine words or more why you are not voting Antihero.
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What are your thoughts on Gorrad and CKD?tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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farside you're going on a lot about what I "should" know but what you fail to realise that it's been a very long time since I've played a game with any of these people - my other ongoing game that I died in is my first game anywhere on this site (or any other site) in nearly a year. Believe it or not I don't actually have a perfect memory of mafia, and while I do remember that DGB is an eccentric player I've gone and formed a few new opinions on things. Utterly inconceivable, I know. But there it is.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I'm not you. Please don't project your own mafia experiences and memories onto me and tell me what I should and should not remember. Thanks.farside22 wrote:I haven't played with DGB in at least over 6 months. I would have to look to see when our last game actually was, but she clearly remembers how I am with her and I clearly remember how she was.
And yes I have many things going on in my life but people I played with who stand out and I don't need to look meta for is a blessing right now.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Anti: Well, I'll agree with you as far as "concise" goes.Antihero wrote:It's fun to watch scum fail.
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VOTE: KorlashAntihero wrote:What would the response have been? And talking to Chevre about what? You made this craptacular post that didn't say anything but was disguised as content.
Unfortunately we do kind of need a just aAntihero wrote:Xalxe is obviously town. As is Chevre. If you want reasons for these, you're just SOL. P. Edit: Actually, Seraphims poo fling at Chevre is probably the reason for me thinking she's town. As for Xalxe, diction of his posts.
Seraphim, on the other hand, is scum. If you don't believe me, read post 69; it's a doozy.
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Another P. Edit: I now hate IAUN, too.littlebit more than that.Unvote, Vote: Antiherotread softly because you tread on my dreams
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After the misunderstanding with Korlash I went back and took another look. So yeah it was kind of a lack of attention plus just not really connecting the dots.Antihero wrote:
N.B. - This wasCyberbob post 96 wrote: - antihero is totally townafterthe posts Bob quoted. So, either he wasn't really paying attention before or....what? As for the explanations, a sketchy vote on a popular target is a pretty solid scumtell to me. I'm not sure what more you want.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I said it because I 100% agreed with your call on Korlash's post at the time. Then when I realised my mistake with Korlash I went back and re-evaluated.Antihero wrote:Well,somethingmade you say what you did. I'm now wondering what it is. It's one thing to go from null-read to scumread, but I think we ought to hear an explanation for a townread to scumread this quickly.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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As I've already pointed out I didn't really connect the dots on that other stuff until I went back and re-read. I was focussing more on Gorrad and that thing with DGB.Antihero wrote:So, my opinion on Korlash completely made up for all the stuff you voted me for?tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Scumlist++RedCoyote wrote:Why is everyone so confusing this game? Is it just me? I'm not even prepared to touch the farside/Korlash battle. The best I gather, it's an argument over whether one person has seen awkward townie play before or something? Ugh, I feel like this is such a lame start to what could otherwise be a really enjoyable game (although I'll admit I have really been enjoying DGB's posts). That's not to say it won't get better of course.FOS: RedCoyotetread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I hereby dub this playDrippingGoofball wrote:Dutch one, I want your town reads. From most townie, to least townie.The Costanza Gambit
With that out of the way, nobody seems to be interested in Antihero all that much. I'd like to know why, I've seen larger wagons form for less this game.Unvoteand selling my vote to the highest bidder.
Or not.Vote: CKD, would still be more willing to tell the Antihero story to anyone willing to listen however.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I hereby dub this playDrippingGoofball wrote:Dutch one, I want your town reads. From most townie, to least townie.The Costanza Gambit
With that out of the way, nobody seems to be interested in Antihero all that much. I'd like to know why, I've seen larger wagons form for less this game.Unvoteand selling my vote to the highest bidder.
Or not.Vote: CKD, would still be more willing to tell the Antihero story to anyone willing to listen however.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Alright. His play thus far has almost entirely been characterised by sketchily reasoned votes and opinions - including the ever-popular "see X post for why omg it's so obvious i don't even need to tell you why" argument. First off there's this:DrippingGoofball wrote:
You have my attention.Cyberbob wrote:Or not.Vote: CKD, would still be more willing to tell the Antihero story to anyone willing to listen however.
Something like this is fine on its own, we were just out of the RVS and the game was in that uneasy stage where people are making serious votes with not much more than gut to go by. Typically this kind of thing is used to test people's reactions and votes don't tend to stay in one place for very long.Antihero wrote:
It's fun to watch scum fail.Korlash wrote:I may have been in my coma-nap for a while so the term "normal" game doesn't seem to mean to me what it should, but why would you be suspicious of... anything, when KK posted like an [exagerated] number of possible, likely, and/or simply for aesthetic design roles on page one. Would you be any more suspicious if he had claimed to be a paranoid gun owner? Or an unlynchable? Or a professional dog walker? Seriously, what the hell is that? That's not a profession... go get a job hippie...
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He kept trying to push it though. See this:
Really? He's trying to sell this thing as a Real Vote but all he's got is "craptacular post that didn't say anything but was disguised as content"? Even when I was under the misimpression that Korlash was trying to discredit the OP's list of roles it was still obvious that he was actually trying to make some kind of a point.Antihero wrote:
What would the response have been? And talking to Chevre about what? You made this craptacular post that didn't say anything but was disguised as content.Korlash wrote:I can't think of a funny or an as close to funny as I can get response to this, but I do agree with the vote. So well done there...
Still, I'd much rather be talking to Chevre about it, but hey I'll take whatever I can get...Korlash wrote:I may have been in my coma-nap for a while so the term "normal" game doesn't seem to mean to me what it should, but why would you be suspicious of... anything, when KK posted like an [exagerated] number of possible, likely, and/or simply for aesthetic design roles on page one. Would you be any more suspicious if he had claimed to be a paranoid gun owner? Or an unlynchable? Or a professional dog walker? Seriously, what the hell is that? That's not a profession... go get a job hippie...
Here he casually dishes out a couple of lazy (and badly justified, especially Chevre's) townreads and switches his over to Seraphim with that quality argument form "it's a doozy". I could barely resist joining that wagon!Antihero wrote:
Do I sense irritation? There's no reason for that; nitpicking early on is how I roll. Nothing personal.Korlash wrote:It wasn't disguised as content, it's a simple question directed at Chevre surrounded by the special korlash sauce. And if you want to get anal about stuff like that your vote didn't have a shred of "content" backing it up either. Also the response would have been one of those killer laugh out loud and have all of your workplace look at you funny jokes, but sadly I've never been able to do one of those...
Xalxe is obviously town. As is Chevre. If you want reasons for these, you're just SOL. P. Edit: Actually, Seraphims poo fling at Chevre is probably the reason for me thinking she's town. As for Xalxe, diction of his posts.
Seraphim, on the other hand, is scum. If you don't believe me, read post 69; it's a doozy.
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Another P. Edit: I now hate IAUN, too.
Hypocrisy putting in a strong showing here in a double feature with a comment on Chevre's text wall that has gone oddly unremarked upon despite being essentially the same sentiment as CKD's on the same subject. CKD's post was a fair bit more bombastic I suppose.Antihero wrote:
Voting without giving a good reason? Sounds like a poofling to me.Seraphim wrote:there has been no pooflinging. Ironically, Chevre seems to be the only person to notice the broad disconnect between my vote and the statement proceeding it. I never gave any reasons for my vote on Chevre folks. The entire point was directed at inHim.
Chevre's text wall made my day, BTW.
Here he tries to justify his Seraphim vote.
Yeah.Antihero wrote:
What? I think you gave the reason of "gut," and we all know what comes out of the gut...Seraphim wrote:....how did I misspell that....
poofling lol
Anyway. Do you honestly want to tell me that that was what you were referring to? I think you were referring to my "reasons" for voting Chevre which weren't there and now you are trying to justify your vote by backtracking and saying the vote was your reason for voting me all along which you and I both know is complete and utter bullshit.
I don't have the stamina right now (it's pushing 6am ) to go into as much detail on the rest of his posts, at this point I vote for him and we argue for a bit over my opinion shifts on him and Korlash. He gets upset at werewolf for saying that he's buddying up to Chevre and follows it up with a bit more defence of her text wall.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I can understand when people are confused by games but you laid the woe-is-me on pretty damn thick. Everything about that post came off as forced.RedCoyote wrote:I like Cyberbob and Seraphim's last two posts. I skimmed over Spyrex's ninja'd post above me. It looks aimless at first glance, which is really uncharacteristic of him. The quotes have no authors attributed. Ugh. Cyberbob, do you not get where I'm coming from or do you think I'm just playing the "confusion/frustration" card as a tactic?tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Chevre was a lazy townread when you first introduced the opinion to the thread.Antihero wrote:Cyberbob:
Chevre is a lazy townread? What universe are we in?
Also, I'm not sure what you're picking on w/ the Korlash vote. Of course it's going to be crappy, it's the first couple pages
You would see what I'm picking on with regards to the Korlash vote if you actually went and read my post. The initial vote was fine in isolation for the time of the game it came at but then you went and defended it. By the way, "you shouldnt be offended nothing personal shits how i roll yo" is pretty much the epitome of douchebaggery.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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(DGB you're technically still voting for Chevre, you forgot to unvote when you voted for Gorrad)
That's a real shame, what you said at the time was totally insufficient to justify a serious vote. You could have gone into a bit more depth than "lol fake content" - maybe explaining exactly what it was about the post that gave you that feeling. Something.Antihero wrote:I still stand by what I said at the time.
no worries bro haha just needling lol no need to get upset thats just how i play heheAntihero wrote:This comment was pretty uncalled for, IMO.
what about AntiheroDrippingGoofball wrote:Some excellent choices:
Chevre
Kmd4390
Gorrad
RedCoyote
But you know, we can just lynch KMD, there's no way he's town.
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also Antihero I'm not assassinating your character unless you actually think any criticism of anything you say or do is personal (in which case lol glass jaw)Cyberbob wrote:(DGB you're technically still voting for Chevre, you forgot to unvote when you voted for Gorrad)tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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It took me about three goes at reading her posts to actually have it sink in that she didn't mention itat alluntil that request thing to the mod.
what theChevre wrote:I did of course see it, but with what DrippingGoofBall has done so far, I was completely unsure of it's seriousness and left it until the mod handled the affair. Apparently, it wasn't real, so we can now treat it as an almost absurd declaration of DrippingGoofBall's feelings towards Kmd4390.
I think I'm ready.Unvote, Vote: Chevretread softly because you tread on my dreams
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They were both doing similar things, Korlash was doing worse at it though (from my perspective at the time) so I voted him. I don't really see how else I could have described my feelings on the situation.inHimshallibe wrote:My main problem with this was that you were on a point about Seraphim, but voted Korlash in near the same breath. Cheapens the effect of what you say about Seraphim, which allows scum to push a mislynch and then the next Day say, "Well I knew we REALLY should've pushed X, like I said here [but actually voted Y]."tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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No, you forgot to unvote Chevre. As I have pointed out twice.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Am I not voting Gorrad???SpyreX wrote:....
Alright DGB you wanted words you got words.
AND NOTHING?
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inHim can you please not use those area tags in your posts? They don't make them any more "organised", they simply make it far more annoying to quote different bits. Having said that, I'm not sure when FOSes became scummy but I sometimes use them to make my suspicions clear to lazy people that skim posts and to hopefully increase my chances of getting a reaction. I kind of get what you and DGB are getting at, that they come off as forced, but IMO they can still have their uses.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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The hell? You spend most of your post castigating Chevre, demanding to know why she's still alive, saying you haven't changed your mind on her scumminess one bit and calling her out on a new "priceless moment" - only to unvote and switch to CKD. One of these things is not like the other things.farside22 wrote:Also: The Chevre wagon's still going on? Seriously? WHY? Farside, make time. Explain yourself.
Nothing has changed my view on Chevre and her scumminess. She is seriously voting Jerbs for his comment saying it's scummy to try and trick a newb then makes a hypocrite of herself by asking me those questions and saying it's scummy.
Basically she is not scum hunting in the least and everything I read of her has not changed my mind in the least.
Plus this moment here for me is priceless:
Why would town find the first part of this question hard to answer? Then see makes it look like Jerbs is doing it to create a easy target but doesn't explain how.Chevre wrote:
I would find this question quite difficult to answer, and here it feels like Jerbs is trying to create an easy target by posing a difficult question to a new poster.Jerbs wrote:@Dutch
Are you scum? If not, why are you lying?
Nothing I find in her post explains anything.
With Chevre's latest post is really good......Chevre I still don't know why Jerb's question was difficult. Any answer you give is not a bad answer (my 2 cents) I think fumbling over it looked scummy.
unvote:
need to really sit down and read everyone now.
vote: CKD
This is based on my list and feel for CKD earlier.
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Right. Way later than I intended, but I'm here.
My farside vote was kind of an impulse vote, that's not to say that I don't think her post was scummy anymore but it's not exactly something to build an entire case out of.Unvote
I'm glad that a bunch of people have now all of a sudden decided that Gorrad is obvscum (I'd put him at my #2 preferred lynch today behind Antihero) but my sheepsense is tingling. I'll have to go back and read through the vote shifts in a bit more detail to be certain but right now my gut says that there are a couple of people just riding DGB's coattails and hoping that her force of will can ward off any suspicion of them.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Werewolf wagon sucks bigtime. I don't like wagons predicated so heavily upon people's posting habits in other threads and half the people jumping on aren't even paying lipservice to the thought of explaining why.
Kmd is not scum unless DGB can finally work up the courage to explain herself on him. In the meantime, Antihero still needs lynching. As does Gorrad.Vote: Gorradtread softly because you tread on my dreams
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We've already been through why I think you're scum. Nice try.Gorrad wrote:Cyberbob wrote:Werewolf wagon sucks bigtime. I don't like wagons predicated so heavily upon people's posting habits in other threads andhalf the people jumping on aren't even paying lipservice to the thought of explaining why.
Kmd is not scum unless DGB can finally work up the courage to explain herself on him. In the meantime, Antihero still needs lynching.As does Gorrad. Vote: Gorradtread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Kind of getting the sense that everything's ground to a halt while everyone points at each other and loudly (but largely toothlessly) shakes their fists and stamps their feet.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Gorrad wagon dying. Ugh. What's everyone's beef?
Dotpoint summary of the last couple of pages incoming (starting from page 28):
- Korlash is still contributing precisely nothing other than rambling joke posts with like ten words of import.
- RedCoyote makes a few good points in his Post 692, werewolf is still dumb town though. Trying to have someone modkilled is only definitely an indication that you don't think or know that they're on your team - I don't think it in any way shows that he is more likely to be scum. As far as my reading habits go, I do try not to skim but I definitely can fall into that trap unless I'm consciously making one of these general list posts.
- Korlash's Post 695 is pretty good inasmuch as it's a good reading of the way wagons usually work, but I don't like his idea of setting up "fake wagons" (regardless of how loosely he may be using that term).
- Werewolf's Post 703, ughhhh. Chock full of bad OMGUS but, and I know exactly how sketchy this is, it really does feel too blatantly dumb to be scum. A better lynch than no lynch if only to get rid of the distraction from the real scum in the game I suppose.
- yabbaguy making a strong entrance into the game with Post 711. I still don't really understand why people are so suspicious of Seraphim though, I've seen a lot of "lol sera obscum" posts but not really that much in the way of actual casebuilding. If I had to guess I'd say it's one of DGB's wagons of suspicion.
- CKD is trying so hard to force a case on Xalxe in Post 719, it's cute. Scumtell++
- LMAO @ CKD saying werewolf is trying to fly under the radar in Post 722. El Em Ay Oh.
- farside's Post 724 finally provides a nice little summary of the werewolf case. I'm down for the bandwagoning tell but the others aren't so great IMO. I really fucking despise it when people use activity on the rest of the site to try and form cases. It's meanspirited and it handily ignores the fact that townies are probablymorelikely to avoid posting in a game out of boredom than scum are. Yes, scum do do it and I'd agree with this tell if his actual posts looked like someone trying to avoid attention. I laugh in your face if you think his actual posts look like he's trying to be sneaky.
- Finally, some kind of case on Seraphim in nocase's (nice bit of irony ) Post 727. It's a good case; I think Antihero and Gorrad are scummier but I'd definitely be down for a Sera lynch over a werewolf lynch.
- lol @ Antihero's Post 729, it's great how he assumes DGB is casting suspicion on him with that incredibly general statement about the wagon.
- WTF @ werewolf's Post 738. Seriously, what. Getting rid of that distraction is looking better and better.
- Re RedCoyote's Post 746: I get more of a sense of "rash and impulsive townie who also happens to just not have all the pieces of his own puzzle" than dumb scum. If werewolf was dumb scum I would be expecting a lot more bandwagoning than he is currently exhibiting.
- nocase's Post 751 makes a good point about re-analysis and whatnot; I appreciate the pro-townness of careful and consistent logic as much as anyone but there needs to be some leeway for people to change their minds as long as they have a believable reason for doing so.
- Seraphim is one of those examples where using activity on the rest of the site is an acceptable card to play; the actual content of his posts has not been good at all (I know werewolf's hasn't been either; hopefully the distinction I'm trying to make is understood because I'm having trouble verbalising it).
- I concur with nocase's Post 756 but if at all possible I would still rather lynch someone else. I think there are people who are validly more scummy than werewolf right now. I realise that it probablywon'tbe possible but it's too early yet to give up hope.
Still happy with my vote being where it is. Of the people with votes on them now I'd be happy with a Seraphim or a Gorrad lynch, I think werewolf is the dumb and obvious wagon to be on but his lynch would have some worth as distraction removal I guess.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I'm glad you like it, I generally make a lot of them over the course of a game if there's a great deal of waffling over wagons and toothless sparring going on.RedCoyote wrote:Also, Cyberbob, I appreciate your catching up post and I think it's pretty good. I keep going back and forth on you, but you're probably town. Don't let me forget I said this later in the game should we spar again at some point.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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werewolf - 2. Obvious easy wagon but better than nothing to free up the more idiotic votes for the real wagons in later days.yabbaguy wrote:Regardless of how extroverted everyone has been about their stances, my proposal is that we all rate the wagons 1 through 5, 1 meaning we'd categorically avoid it D1, 5 meaning we're begging for this lynch to happen. It's informative for later, we can gauge where the pulse of the Town really is (maybe we'd support a lynch more if we knew people liked it) etc.
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werewolf - 1: I won't deny werewolf's been shady and floundering the whole time, but I believe him to be nothing but lazy and a poor scumhunter. Nothing I've seen is directly scum motivated. You need to realize that werewolf, just by glancing at his Wiki, is quickly becoming everyone's favorite lynch. I don't see anything directly scum-motivated from his actions, I can see him still taking stances amidst his madness. Avoid him please, I refuse to participate in a VI lynch right now.
Gorrad - 3: This I could live with. I'm still not entirely sold on it, but his interactions with my top scum suspects are weird somewhat. It's really not one I'm sure of at all, so it's a complacency lynch.
Chevre - 5
nocase - 2: Contingent on Chevre-scum. The order really should be the right way around.
Gorrad - 5
Chevre - 2. I'm ambivalent. Would kind of serve a similar purpose to a werewolf lynch in that it would give all the tunnellers something else to look at.
nocase - 1. Still need to read into that one but right now it's a useless distraction.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Don't give me that, you're almost literally saying "hmmm yase if this person were to not die this town shure would be in trouble!!!" If you don't see the potential ramifications of that kind of thing then I don't know what to tell you.
It's terribly anti town at the very least.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I don't agree with speculating on who should be the target of upcoming night actions. Too many possibilities for scum to mess things up.nocase wrote:
okay, i don't think i understand your point. a vig should absolutely shoot werewolf. what i said does nothing to decrease the likelihood of that.Cyberbob wrote:
Vigs.nocase wrote:are you SERIOUSLY arguing that the mafia doesn't already know not to kill werewolf?tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Finally. Both the hammer and more people coming to terms with Antihero's scumminess.RedCoyote wrote:Let's end this day on a high note of RC and Weatherman coming to a mutual understanding in their sudden heightened suspicions of Antihero.
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Sorry for the late start guys, it's been a busy weekend. I'm literally 5 minutes away from bed and I'm dead tired so I can't be bothered thinking about mafia right now. Tomorrow.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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k back.
Dutch one is so obviously the new werewolf it hurts. Antihero still needs to die, but CKD's skeezy werewolf vote makes a persuasive argument in that direction... alright, I'll play along.Vote: CKD, let's see what comes of this.
Next on my to do list is to actually go through and isoread CKD's posts from yesterday.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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It's at least partly a pressure vote at this point, chill. Antihero is most definitely my preferred lynch today but it would be remiss of me not to try and eke out as much information from today as possible (within reason of course).inHimshallibe wrote:
YOU KEEP DOING THIS POINT IN A DIRECTION, VOTE ANOTHER. BAD.Cyberbob wrote:k back.
Dutch one is so obviously the new werewolf it hurts. Antihero still needs to die, but CKD's skeezy werewolf vote makes a persuasive argument in that direction... alright, I'll play along.Vote: CKD, let's see what comes of this.
Next on my to do list is to actually go through and isoread CKD's posts from yesterday.
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Alright, ugh - finally got a solid chunk of time to post.
CKD pressure thing is generating disappointingly slim results and my single vote isn't especially likely to produce any further data, so back to my original intention I guess. Reasons same as yesterday, etc etc. He hasn't posted anything since then that's really altered my stance on him in any materially significant way.Unvote, Vote: Antihero
Copying homework is against school rules, you know.RedCoyote wrote:Alright, username. You did your homework.
Unvote;vote: Antihero
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"oh hey my first preference for a lynch is antihero, just want to put a bit of pressure on ckd for now though and see what happens"inHimshallibe wrote:lolololol
Cyberbob and yabbaguy all over the map. Who did yabba replace? Were they town before?
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"ok well that's not working out very well, back to plan A then"
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2746088
That's my summary of the case I did for DGB yesterday. Stuff's happened since then as well but it's a good foundation.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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I suck. Been getting geared up to go back to uni next week and I just haven't been in the mood for mafia.
I'll try to have something up shortly, it seems ~events~ are taking place at the moment and I want to weigh in.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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alright I crashed pretty hard after work so here's a quick dotpoint thing on the last three pages (starting from the top of Page 47):
- The phrase "I'm willing to drop the subject for now" from Weatherman rubs me up the wrong way a little. Not a big thing, just seems a little yeah.
- yabbaguy's accusation of a nocase-Chevre link is off target unless he can come up with examples from their interaction that would make it more likely for them to be scum fake bussing rather than having at least one party be town.
- I seriously don't understand how SpyreX doesn't get the Antihero wagon. It's pretty simple as far as wagons go - even if you don't agree with it.
- yabbaguy's Post 1169 is funny.
- nocase's Post 1170, on the other hand, is an excellent reminder of the Seraphim case.
- I don't like RedCoyote's Post 1174 very much at all. He's not really pushing a definite follow-on lynch particularly hard but it's still pretty skeezy.
- Ugh, xtoxm's claim isso badbut I'm inclined to believe it - fuk da wifom. Antihero's reaction is making me lol though.
- +1 to all the calls for Antihero to explain himself, now that he's softclaimed some kind of role information whatever he's going to be a target for scum anyway (yes I am leaning towards believing his position but it doesn't necessarily preclude xtoxm from being town either).
- CKD's reaction is incredibly scummy. Emptyquoting a post that said "lynch [xtoxm] on site" then almost immediately backflipping and putting a placeholder vote on someone unrelated? Really?Unvote, Vote: CKD
Incidentally Antihero: even if xtoxm was fakeclaiming scum or whatever he's hardly likely to claim any kind of innocent result on a buddy. Scum will almost without exception pull that kind of a thing with a "real" innocent result on someone they know to be town. I'm sure you can see the sense in it.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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