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Ah but what really is the point of a random phase in the end? Working under the assumption that a random voting phase is the effective equivilant to just baselessly bandwagoning a player off the bat and then progressing from there giving reactions, we reach the conclusion of it doesnt matter, or at the very least is not as effective.Nikanor wrote:
What? Games here usually start with an random voting stage to get the game off the ground. If you don't like random votes, fine. Just don't expect that to be the normal opinion around this site.Iguana wrote:
Why? You are going to base a serious vote on a random vote reasoning?Nikanor wrote:It'll help get discussion going.
Correct me if I am wrong, but a random phase of voting will likely end up in either a wagon on a player for weak if any reasons, or a wagon for an odd vote move in a majority of games. Basically look for a slight tell and blow it out of porportion. Now, this is accomplished by a baseless wagon too, and I think it actually brings out more tells then random phases, which can usually be forgotten by "its random"
So why random votes? All we are doing either way is going through the motions untill someone does something stupid.-
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Yes, it brings more tells then "vote <player> for <joke>"Nikanor wrote:
So you agree that baseless bandwagonning is good for discussion and tells?Iguana wrote:Now, this is accomplished by a baseless wagon too, and I think it actually brings out more tells then random phases, which can usually be forgotten by "its random"-
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Random voting tends to follow a slightly different path then baseless wagoning.Nikanor wrote:
You realise that that is how a baseless wagon is built, right?Iguana wrote:
Yes, it brings more tells then "vote <player> for <joke>"Nikanor wrote:
So you agree that baseless bandwagonning is good for discussion and tells?Iguana wrote:Now, this is accomplished by a baseless wagon too, and I think it actually brings out more tells then random phases, which can usually be forgotten by "its random"
Though I had voted in that second post of mine alreadyOn that note, why aren't you trying to build a baseless wagon?
Vote Nikanor
On a side note, how serious were you about your comment to SB?-
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metagamingFlava Flave wrote:
Elaborate. I'm not sure what "move" I made aside from voting a scummy player.Iguana wrote: Really? I thought it was a bit too obvious of a move...
players have been caught for changing their playstyle before, and will continue to be. Sounded like you have past experience that suggests he doesnt play like that as town.Sheep in wolves clothing-
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So are they town or scum for now? Thats actually really streaching for a scumtell, which is why I like my style a bit more, people get jumpy. Uneasy is easier to read then jokey.Nikanor wrote:
It's a conditional scumtell. If one of Snow_Bunny or dramonic flips scum, I'm going to look back at that 'random' vote. For now, I'll ignore it, though.Iguana wrote:Somewhere in between. There was no clear wagon leader, but since you are openly saying that you see a scumtell on someone, why arent you persuing the wagon at all?
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Half wagon, half I really dont like this. It gives you complete justification to lynch someone based on a joke.
For the zwet thing, hard to play with players are actually somewhat easy to read if you are used to them. Actually then tend to be much easier to read then good players. Either way in these games they are excellent cop targets, since scum dont want to kill them, and people tend to be against policy lynching (something I never have understood)-
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even though its not really in the form I like, I have enough information here to get out of the random stage with it being exceedingly obvious that Scott and Flava are town, and that 12kb is an excellent wagon to start with.
Zero addition to the game early, zero attempt to even be remotely usefull, and eventually a stutter step on a policy lynch idea. He is not even trying to back up either of the sides, just taking the stance that will let him jump on a policy lynch if he can, and if not, avoid having to push the wagon.
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I can actually answer this one.Hyl wrote:And I second an explanation for why single-votes are anti-town.
In a game based on interactions between people, having comparisons of "one or the other" give the most information. In fact, in most cases where there is only one person getting votes, they are town, outted scum, or really bad scum getting bussed. On the first day this holds especially true. Go back and look at old games, one clear day one suspect is usually town.
Now, there are two useless areas for votes, in the not voting category, or in the "throwaway" category. The throwaway is even more dangerous due to the fact that it gives the illusion of actively contributing to the game, while really you just get to hide away and not worry about getting your feet wet. Ive played before as scum where I spent multiple days just camping on a wagon of town who I knew had no reasonable chance of getting lynched, but because I still brought up my points, and town was fractured enough, I just got ignored and people thought I was scumhunting.
So. Throwaway votes are distinctly anti-town due to the fact that they give the illusion of scumhunting while in all actuallity they are a way to avoid the major lines of discussion and slip into the shadows while not appearing to be doing so.-
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RVS is an acronym for Random Voting Stage, which occurs before anyone has any information. You will see it on every forum.WarWound wrote:What is an RVS post?
I dont think newbie games will really help much, if anything goreadan old newbie game. The only difference between that and this is that this has more players, and that this has slightly experienced players. Learning curve is sharp regardless of environment.-
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2 Yes, lurking leaves someone in the game who you are unable to get a read on, which in turn slightly hurts reads on others. You dont need to have 24-7 access, but being able to post two or three times a day is ideal.WarWound wrote:2. Is lurking bad?
3. what does it mean toFoS(name) someone?
3 FoS is Finger of Suspicion. It basically equates to "I would like to vote you but player X is scummier and is getting my vote" (the awesome version) or "I think you looks scummy but am not quite ready to vote" (the pussy version). Excessive FoSing is a scumtell.
@people pressuing WW
Dont attack someone for being new. Almost every new person will simply selfdestruct if you attack for that, and we already are seeing it start. Most of them crash and burn when pressured for something they do already. If they read a newbie game (it takes maybe two hours to do so) they should be able to participate in an open game.
By the way, WW is also town.-
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New players who are obviously new and may be in over their heads are the easiest players to get a good read on, especially if they have some experience but maybe not as much as the rest of the players.Head_Honcho wrote:
Why do you think that? I am both probing and legitimately curious, as I always have a terrible time reading people like WW.Iguana wrote:By the way, WW is also town.
He is playing like most people who are used to an early wagon that just results in a lynch comes from. Maybe even he is from a site where popularity plays a factor in D1 lynch, I wouldnt be shocked but I think it transcends that by a bit. Basically there are core people who rarely if ever get lynched D1, but the lynches D1 are mostly random, based on some slight tells.
Anyway, he has realized that is not how things work all the time and is working on getting reads of people actively, moving around his vote to the most usefull spot, and actively trying to be a usefull part of the town. It seems to be a little on shakey ground for him, and the next few posts after being kicked down a bit by players for some reason will likely solidify my current read.
So yeah, WW is really obviously town. SB and FF are still likely town. F13... leans there but im not ready to put him there. 12KB is scum, we should lynch him ASAP, or at least get a big wagon going-
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I post enough without keeping close tabs on everyone, shallow jesture cometh though. Townish and Scummy is mostly gut-ish things or weak tells. Neutral people need to talk more. Would be down to lynch 12kb almost, would be down to wagon any scummy.foilist13 wrote:Iguana, I appreciate your opinions, but this illustrates my point exactly. You've mentioned four people leaving 15 others (not including you) any four of whom could be scum. If they are scum they would be doing just fine since there are so many people here it would be ridiculously easy to slip by.
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meh, VI is basically anyone who gets lynched in more then a third of thier games, or more then about a fifth D1. That or has had more then one person try to policy lynch them. VI=lynchable in laments terms.
No... 12kb is actually comitting scumtells. Toro just insnt being overlyhelpful.yabbaguy wrote:Toro is actively lurking practically to the same degree 12KB is, and if anything, tilts scummier than 12KB.
Look, from 12kb we have comments like
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I was waiting for the end of RVS. Found it!Flava Flave wrote: I also think Keyblade is trying to post as much as possible so he doesn't look like a lurker. He hasn't really said much of value though.
God, I love early bandwagons on me.
Both of these signifiy that he does realize that events have been occuring that are tells. That is why the RVS stage is over. At the point you recognize it ends, you should have a serious vote out for basically the remainer of the game. He realizes that we are in that stage, but still is refusing to contribute, and in the former of the two posts, is still cracking bad jokes.12Keyblade wrote:
I did not say this. I said that I was waiting for the nonsense that is the RVS to end before I began to reanalyze the data and draw conclusions.Hyl wrote:You withheld relevant content because we were still in the RVS? If other players were scum-hunting, why would you do this?
So first we have avoiding scumhunting, not lukring. These are two different things.
Later we have this, which in all seriousness, I would be fine to vig on. Again, we are past a random stage and he is not doing anything that really is related to scumhunting. I have zero idea on what he thinks of people when apparently he saw some sort of a tell. This is also a classic fence on what usually becomes a hot topic if someone is interested in it. Policy lynch ideas are somewhat suggested at this point, and he sort of agrees.12Keyblade wrote:
/concur in a half-serious manner.Hyl wrote:
Who cares, the solution to both is a lynch!Yabba wrote:Anybody have a good way of telling when zwet's play is just anti-town as opposed to scummy? I've never been able to decipher his gameplay after all this time.
He doesnt say that he would go for it, and he doesnt say that he would be against it. This basically allows him to get on the lynch if it ever reaches that point, as he sort of agrees with it, nice and easy to get on the wagon. At the same time he will not need to ever push or support a zwet wagon from what he has said. Like I said earlier, the perfect fence sit on this thing.
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SB is far more obviously town then FF is, at the same time SB is still not my top town pick. The order in the groups is insignificant, its just by OP order. FF looks town, I just dont think he is quite as town as the other two, he is more town then the other leaning town players though. If I put in a category between the two, he would be there alone. Im not going to vote anyone I lean town though, they would be my 'protect as doctor' list with SB/WW getting the bodyguard status. I dont want to go into scummy/cop too much, since cop should be checking null to gut read players who most of the town has as null. I guess you can say vig all slight scummy players.skitzer wrote:Iguana: I find your inconsistency on your positionings of Scott Brosius and Flava Flave on your list interesting, especially when you said earlier that Scott was only likely town. It's just something I think a scum partner would do to another scum partner (in this case Flava Flave), so that it appeared that the player was at least somewhat suspicious of that person. Also, why are yabbaguy and Pomegranate on your Scummy list?
Anyways.
For YG, he works as a partner to just about all of my suspects who transcend the 'gut' category. Its not a strong thing, which is why I am not adovcating a lynch of him, but it is something that makes him slightly scummy.
Pom is actually my second pick for scum, I dont want to case build in the office, but I will try to at home.-
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Its too bad WW is town given his contribution level, but he is town. I would take lurky town over active unknown in an endgame.yabbaguy wrote:Toro, zwet, dram, and WW are poor contributors to this game in general out of all the people actively posting. Not a fan of that.
Purple monkey dishwasher, climbing a tree.Flava Flave wrote:Iguana, don't tell scum what you'd do with any night actions you may or may not have. Also, don't respond to this.
Also it really doesnt matter. If I can scare scum by looking town, hunting AND acting like im a PR about to bust them or give them second thoughts about who to kill, I will absorb a kill.-
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Gimme something to respond to and you wont be able to hardly believe you ever were voting me.dramonic wrote:
Oh for god's sake, I can't hardly believe I'm the only one voting you.Iguana wrote:Purple monkey dishwasher, climbing a tree.
Also it really doesnt matter. If I can scare scum by looking town, hunting AND acting like im a PR about to bust them or give them second thoughts about who to kill, I will absorb a kill.-
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Its much for fun to come in all Dukes of Hazzard style with the WIFOM then it is to be sneaky with it. There is a time to be sneaky though. If you can appear reckless but have reasoning behind it, its one of the strongest playing styles.SpyreX wrote:That said, this whole "I MAY BE A POWER ROLE MUHAHAHA" in an open setup isn't very tech.-
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Why? I would of thought the exact opposite about when it sets off flags.Grimmy wrote:right now, its is slightly more suspicious to me than it would have been if this was later in the game.
Did I do good?SpyreX wrote:Foil is scum for voting Keyblade. (again another props to Iguana here) however, Keyblade, the person Hyl is currently voting, has no rationale given.
Anyways. My take on the whole thing regarding this from what I see. The wagon for 12kb started with a push from me and a few others, even though I was the only one to really elaborate on the reasoning for really wanting a lynch I felt. There was quoting and agreement, but that was really it.
Now, later came the "lolz lurker" votes, of which foil was a part of. These are called "crap reasoning" votes, since he was getting replaced, a sitewide activity check supported this. Now, I dont think this type of a vote is a bussing vote. This game in particular seems to have a whole lot of mob mentality behind it, take for example the 12kb push. No one really is doing anything about it, which is concerning me a bit, but, its snowballing.
That is to say that this game will likely pick a few early wagons today, and they will never go away given the ammount of sheepish people we have as compared toiguanaswolves. Therefore, a continuation of the 12kb wagon in absence of any other wagon, is an extreme threat to scum if 12kb is scum. Furthering the wagon on bad reasoning is the very last thing a 12kb partner would be wanting to do, since it is sealing his doom.
This brings me to the ultimate conclusion that 12kb and foil are not going to be scum together. It makes no sense for the sacrafice of 12kb by foil at this point unless basically the entire scum team is on that wagon already, which I would really doubt.
This also means that the list from hyl is flawed to an extreme regarding the placement of these two players, unless he intents to insinuate that one of them HAS to be scum. Thats about the biggest tell from him I see though.
lol please try againToro wrote:There is no way for Iguana to know who is town and who is scum, unless he has scumbuddies...
I've cleared both Yabbaguy and Skitzer
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There obviously are such things as scum reads, given that you are voting. Are you doubting the validity of the town read? I actually think they are more powerful then scum reads, since scum suddenly have to panic and choose to kill concensus town or PR hunt. I have a town read, nothing really has happened to cause me to drop that town read, so I am going to call him town.Toro wrote:The game did not start at night Iguana so you couldnt've investigated him, and there are no masons, and if you were claiming VT earlier then I doubt that you know who WarWound really is, or do you...scum?
Well you are stating the fact on a pretty bad reasoning so I figured you were just flat out calling them town. You are saying that they are town because someone you think is scum is far less likely to call town players town. I just dont get that logic, and see the opposite just as often if not more.And thank you for switching my words around Iguana, I said I've only cleared Yabbaguy and SkitzerIFWarWound comes up Scum if we lynch him.-
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Mostly due to confusion. I thought he was saying "I dont think that her play is overdefensive and therefore a town tell, but its still townish" it still kind of looks like that to meSpyreX wrote:@Iguana:
What do you think about the stance(s) Hyl has taken towards you? That's the piece of this that makes no sense and really you not saying anything about it makes no sense either.-
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Actually more concerning is that his/her gender icon used to be maleToro wrote:With the points I brought up on WarWound I feel that we could go with either WW or Iguana, but I have a feeling that WarWound will slip up more easily.[/color]
I thought so. This bugs me because you are pushing the easy case. Am I right in interpreting that you think we have the exact same chance of being scum?
Gut and weak town tells. I explained this once already. We arent lynching him today if I have any say in the matter.@Iguana:How is WarWound reading town to you? Show me where you've got a town-read on him.
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You shouldn't be breastfeeding while drunk.Hyl wrote:brestfeedin-
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Wagons Ho!
Time to jump over here folks.
We have 15 posts. In those 15 post, one accusation with nothing to base it on (and no vote). One calling of town, and one post somewhat going back on that calling following it up.
This is what we call a wagon that not only will do the town better by dropping someone who shows no sign of ever intending to play the game to an acceptable extent, but also gets rid of someone who has never backed up weak attempts at hunting, and stumbled over their feet while making a town read.
That came over a read of Pom, who he claims town, followed by what looks like concession that it would be a good lynch, even if its just for information. Pro-tip, lynching someone you think is town is never* good.
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~Story Time~
One day CC and Pom were arguing about how the other one was scummy. Iggy sat on the sidelines watching them for a bit, scribbling in her notebook about how others were taking this. Lines going to and from the fighters, to others who also were standing around, also circles that had no lines going to and from. One stood out, it had line with a question mark, and one that was scratched out.
She walked up to CC and Pom, and said "Uhhh... guys?" pointing at the book. CC and Pom looked at the book, looked at eachother, held hands and joined Iggy in a beatdown of zwet who died, and was scum.
The end
*subtle hint*-
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zwetschenwasser wrote:I don't see a scumtell case on Pom at all.
pshawzwetschenwasser wrote:Flave, mostly I see you looking for an information lynch, not a scumhunting lynch on Pom. I don't think it's a great reason to lynch someone,but your reasoning for what the lynch would provide works for me.-
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She was a fallback lynch. This means that almost enough people were ready to lynch her that if a deadline showed up, or a PR claim on a top wagon, its an easy wagon shift.Grimmy wrote:Also bothered by Iguan's drop of the Pom case. I will be looking more into that soon.
The fallback can be town who some town is vaugely suspicious of, and proper scum play can make them a possible wagon for D2/late D1. At the same time they can be scum who is in noticeably enough trouble to have light bussing occuring, but people actively are pushing for other wagons to not have her get lynched. This still allows scum to look better in regards to the wagon then if they late jump it.
Now, we saw a stall of 12kb wagon, and what occured next was a smaller shift to a pom wagon. Its why I poked it a bit. I wanted to see if it would actually take off or not. It gained enough ground in a sheeple game that I think it leans to a town wagon, that scum had on the backburner if they needed it.
Thats why I would rather lynch zwet.
@SB - I am not saying we are policy lynching. If I was saying that, I would of been voting since my first post and berrating people into following me. Now, what I am suggesting is a lynch of a player who is moderately scummy, but also will provide higher utility as a dead player then an alive player.
We not only get rid of a reasonable scum threat, but also someone who is not going to do anything proactive, never going to get a strong read on, and lurk their way though the game. Its a win-win situation. We lynch scum, or make the game easier for town.-
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Where you said you dont see a case on her. That comment shouldnt be made if you think she is scum.zwetschenwasser wrote:
And I said I thought pom was town where?Iguana wrote:zwetschenwasser wrote:I don't see a scumtell case on Pom at all.
pshawzwetschenwasser wrote:Flave, mostly I see you looking for an information lynch, not a scumhunting lynch on Pom. I don't think it's a great reason to lynch someone,but your reasoning for what the lynch would provide works for me.-
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Have or had? Should she be lynched for information? Who is scum for that matter? I dont think you have made a accusation based on information this entire game.zwetschenwasser wrote:I have a neutral read on her.
I thought you were supposed to be one of those people who posts like crazy too. What gives?
Case on 12kb from what I had was not hunting and an fence stance on the policy lynch discussion. AH looks townish to me though. Im interested about why some think otherwise.
@pom - If you think CC and zwet are scum, you should just vote zwet since that wagon is going to be taking off soon. According to your thoughts it will get scum lynched either way. I think this applies to CC too. Remember my prophetic story? Time to un-prophisize and instead actualize it.-
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Remember me saying that I wanted to just wagon early? Thats what I was doing for the most part. Voted to wagon, to wagon, semi serious/wagon, and serious. So when I only remotely voted seriously twice... what is your point here.yabbaguy wrote:-Voted in three posts in a row at the outset of the game (albeit one random). How can she discard cases that fast?
I dont think AH is scummy really, there are other scummy players, so I moved my vote to where I think its going to be better. I thought I asked but since you are an expert on the subject, why is AH scummy?-despite 12KB being her adamant case at first, has now all but abandonned it. Not once mentioning Antihero, especially since at least one other player is noticing scumtells in his posts, is an alarm that she's lazily slipping off it while nobody's looking.
Want me to go through and post a updated list with a few lines on each player? I take a stance on almost everyone after being asked. Why is that scummy?-First time she posts scumlist, appears thrown together and offers no rationale behind most of her suspects. This shouldn't be seen as pro-town at all.
Incorrect. I already posted why he is scummy. Anti-town players can be scummy. If they are scummy, all the better reason to lynch them.-is trying to push a lynch merely of someone who's anti-town. That's taking advantage of someone who just doesn't play well. I see no outright scumtells in that post. This is the sort of thing I brought up with Honcho, we need to see actual scumtells. Insisting that being a poor player is scummy is scummy in itself.
Defending a town read is a town thing to do. Im not about to let someone I see as town get lynched. I dont know anyone who would.-consistently asserted at one point "WarWound is town". It didn't sound so much like she had evidence for it so much as she knew already from a scum position. Granted, this diminishes with a known SK in play, but it still feels like she's feeding concrete information to us that she knows of already.-
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This has been answered.yabbaguy wrote:@Iguana: I've seen *nothing* that says scummy from zwet, and I must've missed your cases that indicate otherwise. SpyreX, same to you. You've basically highlighted the active lurking, which is consistent with his play.
hmmm? You want me putting up reasoning for WW being town? I think I already did that if its what you are asking. Besides, why is getting a town read on someone not many others have town reads on a bad thing?The "helping the town" bit is a speculative tell. However, something in me would think that the scum kind of helps out the town by just sort of gently saying "oh yeah, he's obvtown", but it's not necessarilybased on seeing actual play, just seeing that he's floundering was enough. That's what I based it off of.
So why is it part of your case against me? Also five tiers isnt that many, by mid/late game im up to 10.Posting a random scumlist with no basis behind the players at the time (so player-by-player analysis (PLBPLA) isn't going to help me now) was not scumhunting to me.It's not scummy, per se, but it's not scumhunting either since you're basically just randomly putting people down. I thought it was a little too soon to be putting suspects down in your tiers with only a few posts from each.
Just read the case I make and compare it to other votes hun. Its not all that time consuming. I didnt want 12kb lynched for lurking, he was getting replaced and scummy before that. I dont think zwet should be lynched for being new/old or making small posts.yabbaguy wrote:@Iguana-541:
Doing that is scummy to me, so I'm intrigued. Anybody in particular you see doing this?Why is it that I make a case and people wagon up the player on mostly unrelated things?
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Well... idealy yeah. See, my job is to make sure players who areyabbaguy wrote:Iguana, once again, my cases have been half-assed all game. If you're still operating on the definition that everyone should be anidealisticpro-town player, then you are sorely mistaken. And I've stated this so many fucking times already, do you not believe me?notpro-town die off. Im not going to operate under the premise that I should be letting scummy people off the hook because they just are making "half-assed cases". At the very least you need to get into a debate with them to determine alignment.
The quick snap from what he was used to, to what is required here is very telling. No way we lynch D1 on what would of applied to him, so no way scum would of needed to make that switch to giving opinions as he did. He is town.I would've rather you posted why WW was town at the beginning, when he was doing nothing. If you have any tells from before, please tell me.
Votes on the end of the wagon touched on lurking, which was not happening. You still havent said why AH is scummy though. Seriously, why? I dont see that one.And I think it's too time-consuming to look for everyone's vote on AH/12KB, I'm not gonna do that. I'd rather go off observations you have off-hand, which you hinted at having, but if you don't have any, never mind. I'm just too busy to do the looking right now.-
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Allow me to just speculate and elaborate on where you seem to be headed. Zwet is always useless/scummy. Due to that, he should never be lynched because statistically he is more likely to be town. I would actually argue someone who is ALWAYS dead weight and inherantly scummy should be policy lynched, and will explain why if you want me to.skitzer wrote:Can someone tell me how the zwet in this game is different from the zwet in every other game? Maybe then I'll consider a vote.
So people voting me... is there anything I havent responded to? As far as I can tell, im being voted on WIFOM, ??? and something I defended against (and apparently was accepted?)-
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Policy lynch is getting someone who is SO anti-town, or is so abbrasive that you do not want to play with them. To such an extent that if they dont get policy lynched, you strongly debate replacing out.yabbaguy wrote:Policy lynch is another word entirely, btw.
This is not a policy lynch, or even really an anti-town lynch. This is a scum lynch, we also have about a week to deadline, lets go people.Sheep in wolves clothing-
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no no no... thats what YOU seem to be saying. Not me. You are starting to wander down the "he is always scummy, lets not lynch" path. I am trying to point out that massive pit filled with spikes, those creapy yellow spiders, and tiny yappy worthless dogs that you are going to fall into if you go much farther.skitzer wrote:
So why are we lynching him if it's not a good idea???Iguana wrote:
Allow me to just speculate and elaborate on where you seem to be headed. Zwet is always useless/scummy. Due to that, he should never be lynched because statistically he is more likely to be town. I would actually argue someone who is ALWAYS dead weight and inherantly scummy should be policy lynched, and will explain why if you want me to.skitzer wrote:Can someone tell me how the zwet in this game is different from the zwet in every other game? Maybe then I'll consider a vote.Sheep in wolves clothing-
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Hey guys!
Deadline is thursday at about this time. If zwet has not had to claim by Tuesday I will see to it that people stalling this game get pressured/lynched for it. We need a majority, which means we need to act fast. That means vote zwet. Yes you, the one not voting him. Do it now.
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This post does not contain a zwet voteskitzer wrote:sigh...
I don't have a reason in the world to vote zwetschenwasser.
But because any lynch is informant, I will switch my vote on Wednesday.
Remind me to do this because by then I will have forgotten.
This post does not contain a case on another player
This post does promise a vote in the future
This vote should of already occured
This post is stalling
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Sounds familiar.Pomegranate wrote:Iguana wrote:
This post does not contain a zwet voteskitzer wrote:sigh...
I don't have a reason in the world to vote zwetschenwasser.
But because any lynch is informant, I will switch my vote on Wednesday.
Remind me to do this because by then I will have forgotten.
This post does not contain a case on another player
This post does promise a vote in the future
This vote should of already occured
This post is stalling
The next post needs a zwet voteActually, this post does promise acvote in the future, namely on Wednesday.
I would rather him just vote now, there is one reason I can think of a delay, and call me pessimistic but I dont see him being the one to do it. IRL stuff happens, if we no lynch its not going to be pretty.Sheep in wolves clothing-
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Spent a while looking at lurkers, hoping they can give me something.
I actually came out of it liking Grimmy for town, there were some posts in there that really are just town in nature, one of those small things that is completely unneccesary and damaging to scum. Still sort of like 12kb for town, there were some tells there, but information gleamed from that lynch is almost too much to pass up.
Zazie leans town too, around same area as 12kb given intent to change up wagons that were occuring, although it never passed so I cant give much of a point there.
Yank I dont like since he was for a bit active on other sections of the site, and I dont like Skitzer much at this point either, which is where my vote is headed once I get reasoning up.
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For why I like skitzer lynch... we have things like
Not quite a loaded question, but there is nothing here really that can be said that is "town" or "scum". Its more of a neutral question then anything else, one that can be interpreted by parties in different manners, and is therefor dangerous. What can be gained from this answer? Even if someone replaces out of one game on site and not others, then what? Some people hate being scum, some people hate being town, some people just hate the setup, another player, etc etc.skitzer wrote:QFT, though much more applicable to zwet. Why are you [follist] requesting replacement? (If you're still listening of course )
This is a question that adds nothing, but can cause some dangerous speculation.
And? More or less of saying "Hey guys, Nik is lurking!" in a way that suggests that its particuarly scummy, and kind of pokes at that lynch. If the wagon ever gained speed, it would also allow for easy transition.skitzer wrote:We haven't heard from Nikanor lately. This is very strange.
So what does the replacement mean? You comment on it so it much mean something.skitzer wrote: for Hyl's request for replacement. So unexpected.
Why wait?skitzer wrote:sigh...
I don't have a reason in the world to vote zwetschenwasser.
But because any lynch is informant, I will switch my vote on Wednesday.
Remind me to do this because by then I will have forgotten.Sheep in wolves clothing-
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Ummm... dead SK is better then alive SK. Presented with the option of guarenteed either lynch, I would take SK in a heartbeat, cuts it down to one kill a night (x-kill not guarenteed), and cop wont "clear" the SK.Grimmy wrote:I disagree with Michel about the Iguana thing, but he DID get me thinking more about who the Sk may be. But I have a question about that. Is it more helpful or hurtful to us to have the SK alive right now, as someone pointed out, the SK has to worry about the mafia just as much as we do, so, at what point in the game would it be more feasible to hunt for the SK, or do we lump in the SK with the mafia and look for them as a group?
@MS - If I had the option to go back to D1, I would lynch zwet again. He was anti-town, he was useless, he was scummy, he was a great D1 scum lynch, and excellent utility lynch.
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What scumhunting did he do persay?MichelSableheart wrote:He definately wasn't useless. Even without making much sense players can still be reasonable good scumhunters (see DGB)
agree to disagreeThe only reason he was considered scummy is one of his remarks, interpreted incorrectly.
A lynch with high chance of it being on scumI'm not entirely sure what you mean with great D1 scum lynch.
Utility lynch - A lynch that provides a decent chance of netting scum, while ridding the town of an anti-town (usually meta based) player. So even if the lynch was on town, its not horribly damaging. Most excellent.How can an utility lynch (according to the wiki the waste of a day) ever be 'excellent'?Sheep in wolves clothing-
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