Open 175 - Picking Simplicity (Game Over)

[Scott Brosius]

Anti-town lynches are not good D1. Usually the player in question who is anti-town has not had enough interactions to get any information from it later on. If people continue being a liability, further days are appropriate to address this. Finding the scummiest, not most anti-town player should be our goal D1.

[semioldguy]

@semioldguy

: On account of the large number of replacements needed for this game, I request a deadline extension.

Due to the amount of replacements thus far, I will extend the deadline by one week.

[Pomegranate]

I don't see a scumtell case on Pom at all.

Flave, mostly I see you looking for an information lynch, not a scumhunting lynch on Pom. I don't think it's a great reason to lynch someone,

but your reasoning for what the lynch would provide works for me

.

pshaw

Strong FoS: Zwts

. But Nikanor is still slightly scummier.

[Flava Flave]

Flave, mostly I see you looking for an information lynch, not a scumhunting lynch on Pom. I don't think it's a great reason to lynch someone, but your reasoning for what the lynch would provide works for me.

What gave you the impression that I wanted an information lynch? How would a lynch on Pom achieve this?

@Spy
I've gone over my Key/Antihero suspicions over and over again. I'm not going to repeat myself a thousand and a half times so you can keep telling me you don't understand it. Keyblade was scummy,

then

lurked. Pom was scummy too. I haven't had a good reason to unvote Keyblade/Antihero yet, especially considering how scummy Antihero is. Pom is also scummy, but not as scummy as Keyblade/Antihero. If you don't understand that, go play a newbie game or two and then come back.

Oops, I missed this earlier:

Flave: That was the only reason I found on Pomegranate in isolation. I then asked people to prove what made the Pomegranate case better than what I found. You can do that now, if you like.

Same thing I told Zwet. View me in ISO for points against Pom. You'll find quite a few.

@Pom
It would be nice if you could answer my question some time soon.

@Zazie
How's that read coming? Anything to report to us yet?

[skitzer]

And you're yet to tell me, why do you think, I'm scum for doing something you like to do normally (assuming you like to play like that as a townie of course).

She wasn't comparing your play to her play. She was comparing your play in this game to your play in other games.

You can disregard the fencesitting accusation ^_^;

So your saying you just needed something clever to put in that would make a humorous story and convince others to lynch Iguana? Not liking it.

[Pomegranate]

@PomIt would be nice if you could answer my question some time soon.

For the second time: It would be lovely to know what I'm supposed to be answering.

[Toro]

Anti-town lynches are not good D1. Usually the player in question who is anti-town has not had enough interactions to get any information from it later on. If people continue being a liability, further days are appropriate to address this. Finding the scummiest, not most anti-town player should be our goal D1.

Scott, who do you think are the scummiest players so far?

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't see a scumtell case on Pom at all.

Flave, mostly I see you looking for an information lynch, not a scumhunting lynch on Pom. I don't think it's a great reason to lynch someone,

but your reasoning for what the lynch would provide works for me

.

pshaw

And I said I thought pom was town where?

[Iguana]

Also bothered by Iguan's drop of the Pom case. I will be looking more into that soon.

She was a fallback lynch. This means that almost enough people were ready to lynch her that if a deadline showed up, or a PR claim on a top wagon, its an easy wagon shift.

The fallback can be town who some town is vaugely suspicious of, and proper scum play can make them a possible wagon for D2/late D1. At the same time they can be scum who is in noticeably enough trouble to have light bussing occuring, but people actively are pushing for other wagons to not have her get lynched. This still allows scum to look better in regards to the wagon then if they late jump it.

Now, we saw a stall of 12kb wagon, and what occured next was a smaller shift to a pom wagon. Its why I poked it a bit. I wanted to see if it would actually take off or not. It gained enough ground in a sheeple game that I think it leans to a town wagon, that scum had on the backburner if they needed it.

Thats why I would rather lynch zwet.

@SB - I am not saying we are policy lynching. If I was saying that, I would of been voting since my first post and berrating people into following me. Now, what I am suggesting is a lynch of a player who is moderately scummy, but also will provide higher utility as a dead player then an alive player.

We not only get rid of a reasonable scum threat, but also someone who is not going to do anything proactive, never going to get a strong read on, and lurk their way though the game. Its a win-win situation. We lynch scum, or make the game easier for town.

[Iguana]

I don't see a scumtell case on Pom at all.

Flave, mostly I see you looking for an information lynch, not a scumhunting lynch on Pom. I don't think it's a great reason to lynch someone,

but your reasoning for what the lynch would provide works for me

.

pshaw

And I said I thought pom was town where?

Where you said you dont see a case on her. That comment shouldnt be made if you think she is scum.

[zwetschenwasser]

I have a neutral read on her.

[SpyreX]

@Spy
I've gone over my Key/Antihero suspicions over and over again. I'm not going to repeat myself a thousand and a half times so you can keep telling me you don't understand it. Keyblade was scummy, then lurked. Pom was scummy too. I haven't had a good reason to unvote Keyblade/Antihero yet, especially considering how scummy Antihero is. Pom is also scummy, but not as scummy as Keyblade/Antihero. If you don't understand that, go play a newbie game or two and then come back.

Well I guess I just better get to those newbie games since I'm so bad.

Where have you mentioned Antihero specifically.

Is, or is not, the whole case on Keyblade "He posted so Nik wouldn't vote for him".

Must be me.

Anti-town lynches are not good D1. Usually the player in question who is anti-town has not had enough interactions to get any information from it later on. If people continue being a liability, further days are appropriate to address this. Finding the scummiest, not most anti-town player should be our goal D1.

Is this statement in regards to the current vote(s) on Zwet?

[Nikanor]

Is, or is not, the whole case on Keyblade "He posted so Nik wouldn't vote for him".

That's actually pretty accurate. Everyone knows I'm the best scumhunter on this site, after all; to be marked with my vote is to be marked for death.
(The above statement features mild sarcasm, if you did not catch it).

Also, I'm still too lazy to read.

[Iguana]

I have a neutral read on her.

Have or had? Should she be lynched for information? Who is scum for that matter? I dont think you have made a accusation based on information this entire game.

I thought you were supposed to be one of those people who posts like crazy too. What gives?

Case on 12kb from what I had was not hunting and an fence stance on the policy lynch discussion. AH looks townish to me though. Im interested about why some think otherwise.

@pom - If you think CC and zwet are scum, you should just vote zwet since that wagon is going to be taking off soon. According to your thoughts it will get scum lynched either way. I think this applies to CC too. Remember my prophetic story? Time to un-prophisize and instead actualize it.

[Col.Cathart]

And you're yet to tell me, why do you think, I'm scum for doing something you like to do normally (assuming you like to play like that as a townie of course).

She wasn't comparing your play to her play. She was comparing your play in this game to your play in other games.

a) It doesn't look like that from my point of view. She voted for me, immediately after breaking down my post as a 'I'm a scum lurker, and I'm going to scum lurk some more.' That's a clear signal, she finds this behavior scummy (otherwise, she wouldn't vote for me. She added that metagame argument later). Then, when asked about why she usually lurks on D1 in larger games, she basically said the same thing as me, but in a bit different words. If she's doing it as a townie, then why is she voting someone, who's doing what she's doing normally? I just don't get it.

b) If this is really the case, then...

Pom: Check the latest lynch in the game, where we played together, and you was replaced (Newbie 828). It's still ongoing, so we cannot discuss it, but I'm sure you'll find it interesting in terms of doing my meta (for other interested - Check my wiki for my completed and ongoing games).

Iguana: I think that Pom is more scummy than zwet, and so far her wagon has more gas, so I'm staying here for now. If there'll be bigger wagon against zwet, then sure, suspect #2 works for me as well, and I will join your case.

[Scott Brosius]

Iguana: I think that Pom is more scummy than zwet, and so far her wagon has more gas, so I'm staying here for now. If there'll be bigger wagon against zwet, then sure, suspect #2 works for me as well, and I will join your case.

This comment rubs me the wrong way. With the extension we are nowhere near deadline, you should vote who is scummiest, not who could have the potentially bigger wagon.

Unvote
Vote Col.Cathart

Toro: I still think the Blastinus/Nik interaction was weird and I think one of them is scum, most likely not both. As the earlier part of this post suggests, CC is now my number 1 suspect. Iguana and zwet are not appearing scummy to me at the moment. Iguana one of the top participants and hasn't done anything scummy, and zwet is just being zwet. I still think WW is just newb town.

[Col.Cathart]

If I think that both of them can be scum, then why not? As long, as I'm going to lynch scum, everything is fine. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[ZazieR]

@Zazie
How's that read coming? Anything to report to us yet?

Almost done. Last 3 pages I think.
And then some players will hate me ._.

[Flava Flave]

@Pom
This will be the 6th time I ask. To keep it simple for you, this will be the only part of my post. The quote below is my question and if you view me in ISO, you will see this quote pop up several times. The quote is below:

If you're town, why are you getting confused over whether Iguana is a vanilla or a power role? If you're town, you shouldn't care. If you're town, all that matters is the alignment of others, not the role.

[yabbaguy]

Unvote, Vote: Iguana

Rationale coming later.

[zwetschenwasser]

Nice.

Unvote; Vote: yabbaguy

[Pomegranate]

@Pom
This will be the 6th time I ask. To keep it simple for you, this will be the only part of my post. The quote below is my question and if you view me in ISO, you will see this quote pop up several times. The quote is below:

If you're town, why are you getting confused over whether Iguana is a vanilla or a power role? If you're town, you shouldn't care. If you're town, all that matters is the alignment of others, not the role.

Thanks for the question. Here's an answer: I care about whether or not she's scum (her alignment). But why on earth can'ts he be scum, acting all Wifomy about whether or not she's a PR? Does what she did clear her as town?

[Pomegranate]

CC: I saw the flip. But it still surprises me that you would act so differently as scum than as town. I guess I see it as a somewhat nulltell.

[Pomegranate]

@pom - If you think CC and zwet are scum, you should just vote zwet since that wagon is going to be taking off soon. According to your thoughts it will get scum lynched either way. I think this applies to CC too. Remember my prophetic story? Time to un-prophisize and instead actualize it.

Vote: Zwets

because of Col's meta.

[yabbaguy]

Again, weaker than I want it to be, but sure as hell better than AH. Here's why:

-Voted in three posts in a row at the outset of the game (albeit one random). How can she discard cases that fast?
-despite 12KB being her adamant case at first, has now all but abandonned it. Not once mentioning Antihero, especially since at least one other player is noticing scumtells in his posts, is an alarm that she's lazily slipping off it while nobody's looking.
-First time she posts scumlist, appears thrown together and offers no rationale behind most of her suspects. This shouldn't be seen as pro-town at all.
-is trying to push a lynch merely of someone who's anti-town. That's taking advantage of someone who just doesn't play well. I see no outright scumtells in that post. This is the sort of thing I brought up with Honcho, we need to see actual scumtells. Insisting that being a poor player is scummy is scummy in itself.
-consistently asserted at one point "WarWound is town". It didn't sound so much like she had evidence for it so much as she knew already from a scum position. Granted, this diminishes with a known SK in play, but it still feels like she's feeding concrete information to us that she knows of already.

Zwets and Pom, please explain votes further please.