Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Nekka-Lucifer

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote yourself, you freak of nature.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we just bandwagon someone like any normal game ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You fucked up, bro. He didn't bandwagon Unright. That was the first vote unright suffered.

[Albert B. Rampage]

actually, i didnt fuck up. Jordan latched onto CKD's logic (which is always a bad idea). case closed.

Wrong again. You called it a "BW" vote, when there was no BW.

[Albert B. Rampage]

QFT ^

Unvote, vote Unright

[Albert B. Rampage]

You've played before, Gage ? If so, where ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Jordan's my man.

Unvote, vote DP

[Albert B. Rampage]

Especially when the person is clearly joking.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Um, yes it does mean he wants to rush the day. He's basically saying that he's ready to lynch.

FoS MoS

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mafia are usually more careful and patient though. MoS smells fishy.

Unvote, vote MoS

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is clearly not a grammar issue, BM. The vague attempt at derailing your mistake with a joke only outlines your clumsiness.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Says the fool ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thank you for not replying to the non-joke post.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow. The fact that Battle Mage would call anyone "blatant scum" on page 4 of a game makes me really wonder if he's going to say anything useful this game...

QFT

[Albert B. Rampage]

1. Battle Mage
Obnoxious, voting all over the place, early bandwagoner without reason. Still, I gather that is his style.

14. Albert B. Rampage
Early bandwagoner without providing a reason. Duelling with Batlle Mage about minor issues. Do not like post 47. Do not like his hopping on in post 54 either (nothing to do with the fact that he votes me) and his stubborness in 59. Throws votes around all over the place.

Neutral/No reading: Battle Mage

, mandalorian, Porochaz, Sir Tornado

Scummy

: Gage, Nekka-Lucifer, Kakeng, JordanA24, richman99, curiouskarmadog,

Albert B. Rampage

Double standard

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is my style of play. Why aren't you so quick to dismiss me as scum as you are with BM ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Jordan and Sir Tornado are familiar with my antics.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree. Gage, post

massive

content now. Another vote is on the balance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't believe the claim. Straight up. What kind of mason would claim at -5 ? Lol.

This has to be a scum gambit, imo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So you agree with me that he's scum ? Who else would be ready to lynch him ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

A bunch of SA kids came over a couple of weeks ago, but most have departed..could be left over from that.

Yep, thank God, they sure lived up to their name.

agreed

Hey, I led that charge.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR-ah, but did you get to modkill one of them?

Even better. My strategy is usually to make them THINK they are going to get modkilled. Then they overreact, do the whole "you can't fire me, I quit!" thing, and ask for a replacement

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is no pleasure in ending a life. It is a necessity, not something to wish for. Read up on Buddhism BM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Back on topic,

Vote Sir Tornado

until he stops lurking.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The Buddhism part is unrelated to the rest of the sentence. The reason I want you to study east asian teachings is because you are evil.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Communism hates religion, you scumtard.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What are your thoughts on everyone BM ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why am I always paired with idiots ? I'm mason, hiii

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unright is most probably scum as well

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look, the dumbass outs himself at lynch -2. K. Then he implies that one of two people is his mason partner by saying that person 'bussed' him when I didn't even vote him. Since the other person is Unright, I have to out myself lest Unright the scum claims he is mason, which would be very believable.

Question: Why do we allow players with 0 post to play in large games ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well, provided that the two of you are not scum together, this must have been one of the most stupid

plays

person I have seen on day one for a very long time.

Unvote Gage

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was ranting on about Gage. Sryaboutthat.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No he fell into my trap alright. He's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Explain to him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think I'll just quit posting. Apparently I'm a moron.

The sooner you realize it the sooner you can do something to change it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Battle Mage

This is the obvious winning move for town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

L-1 btw. Nobody unvote BM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BM, claim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Claim before we kill you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not when you're about to kill one of them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If BM is congruent with his claim then I obviously won't want to lynch him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I got to go with CKD here, he has a point.

[Albert B. Rampage]

asdf

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Jordan

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm open to voting pete d.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't get any ideas.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What ? Streeflo was replacing me!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I thought I'd find a replacement for myself on my own to not disturb Aimee who seems like she bit off more than she could chew.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BTW, I take it you have everyone's role pm now ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its too late.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BM claim

Vote BM

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty sure he's lying. Anyone up for lynching him anyway ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Come on guys, nobody believes him, let's see this through.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynching a scum decreases the chance of mislynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Like he just described.

[Albert B. Rampage]

One is due to inexperience and naivety while the other is due to complacency and a closed mind.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He means if BM does not get NK'd then we can still lynch him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think he's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So you are basically saying we shouldn't vote for you until either a cop dies or the mafia who you are supposedly not partnered with kill you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who did you want to lynch again ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like that post by bookitty, it smells funny.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You are the mafia framer who is setting up the townie framer. You are both doing the same thing, but I sense that the place you come from is not genuine. Pete has reached similar conclusions to me, and I believe it has no malignity in it. You however...

Unvote, vote Bookitty

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pete D. Pete D said something perfectly townish which you tried to twist into scummy play. The way you did it was so unnatural that it stood out like a sore thumb.

[Albert B. Rampage]

BM might be scum, but he's not the smartest crayon in the box, so it wouldn't surprise me he fucked it up as doc. You on the other hand, I am certain that you are scum after reading your posts in this page.

Pete D said what we were all thinking. His thought process is clear.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is suggesting that the mafia keep the doc alive a bad thing for the town ?

I dont understand why people (Gage, pete d, Albert B. Rampage) re still voting for our claim doc..any reason why those voting for him want to do the mafia work for them?

Why are you assuming that mafia will automatically take him out? When I was scum and there was a suspicious claimed doc, we left them alive for day 2 to screw with everyone (but they got vigged anyhow).

but I would be more inclined to lynch him tomorrow to see if mafia bags him tonight.

With statements like this, why would mafia get rid of BM if he was a doc?

Pete D makes *perfect* sense. You just want to find an excuse to say someone is scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

CKD, I really want your thoughts on Bookitty. I believed I've found *the* one. Should I *gasp* propose ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Pressure Bookitty ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bookitty is pretty scummy-looking right now. Maybe you could offer more of a defense instead of sweeping it under the rug, Setael ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bookitty's play has felt town, and the arguments against her right now are pretty weak.

Not Jordan, Bookitty.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right, I voted him in my 5th post and unvoted him on the 7th. Bookitty is extremely scummy though:

1) Scum need to look like they are trying to catch scum.
2) Scum fabricate excuses to claim that they find someone suspicious. These excuses can be pinpointed using common sense.

Bookitty defies common sense by trying to distort a very clear thought process* and disparages pete D who I don't think anyone has even attacked yet.

3) Scum try to look suspicious of someone that is in no danger of being lynched so they are uninvolved with the lynch of a townie.

Then she "paces" my reality, a subtle manipulation technique studied in NLP:

But I can see on a reread how you would think that pete d was saying we should just lynch Battle Mage now.

IOW she feigns agreeing with me to make me think we are on the same page even though she logically claims to be on opposite sides from me. AKA appeasing me and sweeping it under the rug, as you might say.

Still, your weird "framer" thing is just beyond me. Maybe you can explain better who the town framer is, in your scenario. And why town would frame someone, in the first place.

Then she deviates the attention on something else in a quick ninja move to gtfo from the attention on her.

5) Scum uses manipulation and deceit to achieve their nefarious ends.

There you go. I can understand that you didn't make a big deal out of what seemed at first as an innocent mistake on Pete D's intentions, but I hope I have exposed my reasons clearly enough.

*if we say we will lynch BM tomorrow, the scum won't NK him, which is an very relevant point that the mafia would think of regardless of whether we say it or not

[Albert B. Rampage]

Looking at my post, it doesn't seem much. And TBH I am not in my most lucid state right now. However this is the scummiest looking post in the entire game:

I'm really tempted to vote for pete d based on this.

If you're tempted to vote, then why don't you do so ? Looking for town approval ? Trying

It looks to me like an excuse in advance for Battle Mage not being nightkilled.

This makes no sense. What does bookitty expect, that Pete D arrives on the morning of day 2 and go "SEE I TOLD YOU THEY WOULD KEEP HIM ALIVE!!" ? PUH-LEASE. That is a terrible misinterpretation of his post.

The reason for Mafia to get rid of doc-Battle Mage is the same as for any other doctor... because they don't want their nightkill interfered with. That doesn't change just because Battle Mage is likely to be lynched tomorrow. Additionally, if Battle Mage is scum, you've just provided an excuse for him when he's not nightkilled.

Again spouting things that look good on paper but actually don't make sense. Why would the mafia need an 'excuse' to kill or not to kill someone ?

Why would you suggest the scum-strategy you employed in a previous game if you're town, pete d?

Gross misrepresentation of the situation - one that can only be done deliberately.

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP

Trying to seed a future vote ?*

I didn't find it especially clear.

Is ABR right? Is suggesting scum strategies generally considered a pro-town tell, and not to be questioned? I'd like some other people to weigh in on this point.

This is equally horrendous. Seeing this, I would be freaked out if I were her mafia partners. What kind of horror-movie-worthy post is this ? How can you make such a daring attempt at discrediting someone with pseudo-rhetoric and false dichotomies ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

^ NLP is Neuro linguistic programming.

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Bookitty asks:

Why are you so certain pete d is a townie? And before that, my vote was on Battle Mage, taken off because of his claim. Are you now arguing that Battle Mage was obviously a townie?

Reality hits:

She is taking me out of context as I am not saying BM is 100% townie, I am saying that you are moving from someone who is in danger from being lynched to someone who is not. Even if you previously raised an eyebrow at Pete, this, imo, only shows how much you are hanging on to a random target you gave yourself as mafia. It means that you planted the seeds early. Because you are a manipulative witch (no offense).

Bookitty asks:

why would I move my vote from someone you were arguing was scum in order to START a lynch wagon on someone you claim is a townie?

Reality hits:

You

started

continued attacking a player in an extremely non-committal, uninvolved, unassuming way, showed by your constant seeding: "I'm tempted to vote him", keep asking the town what it thinks, not pushing the wagon, basically not putting your money where your mouth is.



In contrast, look at my case on you. I truly believe it is the be-all end-all of the day, because your posts on page 19

scream

scum (anyone who doesn't believe me can just go back and look).

The difference between you and me is that I BELIEVE in this case I'm making. It is fine for a townie to be unsure of their suspicions, that's not what I'm arguing. But you are making HUGE misjudgments that, if true, would warrant an immediate bandwagon. Someone that suggests scum strategy during the day, that gives excuses for the scum to act with more liberty, etc. deserved an immediate vote from the attacker AND at least several other players from the claims you've made.

But your claims aren't logical.

People don't agree with me. They just disagree with

you

. Of course you would win a popularity poll if we were to go back-to-back, but this isn't about that. I am accusing you of

serious charges

, as serious as your charges on Pete D. But mine are closer to reality and hit home with players and a bulb lit within them that said "A-ha! I saw that too!"

I don't know if you are scum, but you are as close as it gets without the mod telling us.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR:

You've thought every case you've had, in this game at least, to be the "be-all end-all". You were convinced enough that Battle Mage was scum to try to wagon him despite his claim, and now you're saying "I am not saying BM is 100% townie"... what happened to "lynch him anyway"?

AGAIN WITH THE NINJA MOVES. My point is not that I am always right, my point is that I back up what I say with my reasoning and

my vote

. Like with Unright, like with BM, whenever I said something I pushed the wagon. Something you've failed to do. You fail at even appearing like you want Pete D lynched. Nowhere do you say you want him lynched. You are too cowardly a mafia to try that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And don't you straw man me with the 'your facts are wrong'. Let's take a look at the

ONLY

place where I got a fact wrong:

Bookitty defies common sense by trying to distort a very clear thought process* and disparages pete D who I don't think anyone has even attacked yet.

At least two people have attacked pete d. I myself said he was one of my three main suspects quite a while back. I said why. So this is just clearly untrue.

The argument is that she clearly misrepresented Pete D - no one is arguing that now. And I mention that "I don't think anyone has attacked yet", meaning he wasn't under the kind of scrutiny that other players were.

Please, your argument is pathetic. You refuse to answer relevant points and instead focus on details that I am vaguely recalling, and then present that as my position in an attempt to fool someone who would only quickly skim through the debate.

You are an abomination of scumminess.

Setael, please help this young grasshopper defend herself ???? Clearly you think she is town, and yet you have mysteriously withheld all your thoughts on the matter, so why don't you dignify us with a response to posts 482, 483 and 484.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry for jumping from 3rd person to first person perspective, I am at a loss for words in front of this titanic monument of scumminess.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Setael, please help this young grasshopper defend herself ???? Clearly you think she is town, and yet you have mysteriously withheld all your thoughts on the matter, so why don't you dignify us with a response to posts 482, 483 and 484.

So odd. You'd think I was the only one not voting Bookitty. How about, instead, we ask for ALL players' take on this exchange between you and Bookitty?

Yeah I sounded harsher than I meant to on Bookitty (I'm sorry Bookitty).

But look at it this way, you have again and again said that you don't find her scummy, and since you are a replacement we don't have a clear idea on your methodology yet. Tell me why you think 482 to 484 is not sufficient. Tell me the loopholes. Tell me something,

anything

, just don't go around trying to drown an argument before everyone has acknowledged based on absolutely nothing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't find it especially clear.

Is ABR right? Is suggesting scum strategies generally considered a pro-town tell, and not to be questioned? I'd like some other people to weigh in on this point.

This is equally horrendous. Seeing this, I would be freaked out if I were her mafia partners. What kind of horror-movie-worthy post is this ? How can you make such a daring attempt at discrediting someone with pseudo-rhetoric and false dichotomies ?

Where's the false dichotomy/ies?

Either I'm right about Pete and suggesting scum strategies is pro-town, or I'm wrong about Pete and he is scum.

GUYS,

WE NEED TWO VOTES ON BOOKITTY NOW

. ANYONE WHO LETS THE DEADLINE PASS WITHOUT VOTING WILL DIE a horrible death in my imagination. Setael, that includes you. ESPECIALLY you. No-lynch is the worse possible outcome for the town and you all know it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ONE MORE VOTE. Let's go guys. One more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can you claim Bookitty ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, don't claim. We will lynch you anyway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

SOMEBODY HAMMER FOR GOD'S SAKE.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Bookitty is scum I'll be looking at you, Setael.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If someone else unvotes we are screwed. Put your vote back on.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I knew this would happen. Don't fuck with Rampage.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Leave him alone. Porochaz is town.

Vote: Setael

[Albert B. Rampage]

Call it overconfidence if that makes you feel better. I call it trusting my gut, and the bursting folder of evidence that you are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think Porochaz is scum and the post I quoted was super scummy.

Wrong. That post is not scummy at all. The way you defended Bookitty was sublimely scummy, though. I am certain you are scum. I will see you lynched before this game is over.

Truth be told though, Shanba actually disagrees with me on your case. We have both agreed on CKD being scummy, though. I see him as the second scummiest player after yourself, Set.

FoS: CKD

[Albert B. Rampage]

Personally, I want CKD and Setael to go after each other - right...about...now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you've missed the past couple pages, here's what happened:

I dropped an extremely flashy but familiarly convincing case on Bookitty on post 464, and followed with a vote.

DP bandwagons kitty. Karma ignores the kitty case. I pressure him into paying attention to it. He replies with this scummy bastard:

I guess I dont understand why mafia would leave a doctor alive. Now, we could all go into a long discussion about this but I would rather not give the mafia any more reason to act, or not to act.

In reference to Bookitty,

I agree with her theory, but I dont think PeteD was scummy for saying it. That said, I think what Pete D didnt say could be viewed as scummy.

I said I didnt understand why people are still voting the claim doc...instead of answering me (like you blatantly did ABR) he came back with this response:

"Why are you assuming that mafia will automatically take him out?" "With statements like this, why would mafia get rid of BM if he was a doc?"

this doesnt sounds like someone who thinks BM is scum. So again, I dont understand the vote or the prespective.

I might have voted Pete D, but Bookkitty's response was..strange...I think Pete D response was scummy for different reasons,

and I dont understand why she thinks it was scummy and it seemed forced...

so I am at a loss.

thoughts?

Setael replaces in, but either isn't up to speed or ignores the kitty case. Either way, Volkan comes in and sends an FoS kitty's way. Even though my case has gained momentum by now, Setael ignores it completely, re-directs focus on Unright, and mentions this in passing:

I'm leaning town on Bookitty.

I got several protown reads from Nekka and don't think his part in distracting from the Unright wagon was intentional. Looks more like he thought Gage was making newbie errors rather than scum coaching scum. Bookitty's play has felt town, and the arguments against her right now are pretty weak.

She completely obfuscates the kitty case and attempts to dismiss it on the grounds that the arguments are weak, without actually going into any of them. Flabbergasted by her indifferent act, I launch this:

Bookitty is pretty scummy-looking right now. Maybe you could offer more of a defense instead of sweeping it under the rug, Setael ?

After some more confusion, she responds:

Why should I offer a defense of Bookitty? I'd much rather find scum and let Bookitty defend herself.

By the way, ABR what are your current thoughts on Unright? If you no longer think he's scum, what changed your mind? You had good reasons to vote him once upon a time. Are they no longer valid?

Again, she tries to change the subject. Not missing a beat, I reply

Right, I voted him in my 5th post and unvoted him on the 7th. Bookitty is extremely scummy though:

before deposing three mega posts on why we should immediately lynch kitty. Kitty has taken the town's spotlight by now, IMO. Insistently, Setael presses on in her refusal to address the matter:

*if we say we will lynch BM tomorrow, the scum won't NK him, which is an very relevant point that the mafia would think of regardless of whether we say it or not

Agreed. I don't think we should lynch BM tomorrow, either, but that doesn't mean the entire town will agree with me. So scum don't know for sure if we'll lynch BM tomorrow or not since we don't even know yet.

I don't think Bookitty is the lynch for today. I'd much rather lynch anyone on my scum list.

Again avoiding to reply to my points. Unflinchingly, amidst a verbal battle with kitty, I direct her once again to please make her thoughts known on the matter at hand:

Setael, please help this young grasshopper defend herself ???? Clearly you think she is town, and yet you have mysteriously withheld all your thoughts on the matter, so why don't you dignify us with a response to posts 482, 483 and 484.

So odd. You'd think I was the only one not voting Bookitty. How about, instead, we ask for ALL players' take on this exchange between you and Bookitty?

This is what I refer to as ninja moves. Scum trying to jerk us around with misdirection. I'm not having any of that bullshit, I want to confront the mafia head on. Set myself in a collision course against who I think is scum and their allies and refuse to be ignored.

After asking her kindly to please tell us why she still thinks kitty is town, she FINALLY accepts to make her reasons clear. Notice that by now, I have trapped her into defending Kitty, and she is no longer able to bus. Even if she wanted to be on the wagon, she had all her options cut.

Forced to defend Kitty, she posts this abysmal defense:

But look at it this way, you have again and again said that you don't find her scummy, and since you are a replacement we don't have a clear idea on your methodology yet. Tell me why you think 482 to 484 is not sufficient. Tell me the loopholes. Tell me something, anything, just don't go around trying to drown an argument before everyone has acknowledged based on absolutely nothing.

Hmmm... my intention is not to drown your arguments. I just think there are better places for my vote. You could be right about Boo, but one reason I think you're wrong is I think vollkan might be scum and he's supporting your wagon in a non-bussing kind of way. In my mind, that undermines the Bookitty wagon.

What do you think of vollkan ABR? Do you agree that he's been wishy washy?

As for your 482, you've listed several things "scum do" and then fit Boo's play into them. You could take any player in this game and find something they've done that fits under those. I agree that Bookitty's point against pete D wasn't strong. I don't agree with her. I don't think pete D is scum. However, the fact that her point isn't strong does not make her scum.

So then in 483 you admit it doesn't look like much, but then say that the scummiest post in the game so far is when Bookitty said she was tempted to vote pete D for it but didn't. I very much disagree that this statement is the scummiest thing in the game. How is that different from FOSing? How is it different from the FOS vollkan put on Bookitty in post 475? He's saying he thinks she's scum, but isn't voting her. What's the difference? I actually think vollkan's is worse, since it's more noncommital and allows him to hide behind your argument. It feels like he's trying to stay on everyone's good side to avoid negative attention. Bookitty's pete D points, on the other hand, as you said yourself were on a player no one had stated suspicion of. Town is more likely to do that than scum because it's not as safe.

As for 484:

I didn't find it especially clear.

Is ABR right? Is suggesting scum strategies generally considered a pro-town tell, and not to be questioned? I'd like some other people to weigh in on this point.

This is equally horrendous. Seeing this, I would be freaked out if I were her mafia partners. What kind of horror-movie-worthy post is this ? How can you make such a daring attempt at discrediting someone with pseudo-rhetoric and false dichotomies ?

Where you see this as a scum tell, I think it's more likely to be said by town who isn't worried about "freaking out their partners."

So anyway I have a town read on Bookitty, and I think the case on her is weak. I could be wrong about her, but I think there are scummier people to be focusing on right now, one of which is Unright. He's gotten all quiet now that he's out of the spotlight. Maybe he's worried he'll slip up again. I'd really like to see what happens if he gets pressured again. WHO'S WITH ME?!

Of course, the town remains unfazed. Pete D votes kitty. Volkan questions my case a bit, disagrees on some minor points about Setael and questions me a bit, but ends up voting bookitty. Notice that I didn't even answer his questions.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 560#884560

Pete D confirms vote on kitty. Karma, who has previously held an ambiguous position regarding my case, votes kitty.

Lowell votes kitty. Porochaz, who hasn't caught up with the times, votes me. Funnily enough, Setael, who posts right after, doesn't chastise Porochaz for voting me, instead threatening me with retribution. CKD unvotes. Ironically, he doesn't mention the Porochaz vote either.

MoS has read up to page 19, agrees with my case, votes bookitty. DP points out to Porochaz that I'm a claimed mason, Porochaz then quickly unvotes and votes Lowell, scrambling to justify his vote on me:

shoot I forgot about that... however I am still not discounting the theory that gage panicked when under suspicion and claimed mason and ABR not wanting his scumpartner lynched needed to claim mason as well... however I am not sure as of yet... so Im downgrading

unvote

and

fos ABR

and then

vote Lowell

for his post.

Bookitty is lynched. End of the day.

Frankly, ABR is crazy and blind if he thinks my play is conducive to being one of Boo's scum buddies. If I was I'd have either been safely on that wagon, or at least laying low. Call WIFOM all you want, it doesn't make sense for scum to blatantly defend and refuse to join the wagon of a scum buddy who's going down in flames.

What a laughable post she makes today; claiming that she would have bussed. Uh, no you wouldn't. You thought it was safe to ignore my case. You thought I could be ignored, that I would let go, and that the town would move on, that they would be swayed by your petty Unright case. You were dead wrong, Set. As I've shown above, your attempt at ignoring kitty is telling; although as I ruffled you up, you slowly fell into the mold you were avoiding earlier with your ninja moves. IMO, you were forced into a corner and had nowhere to go. Unlike Karma, you did not leave your position ambiguous for long. With the loss of your bussing power, you try to make the best of it and make a shaky, unconvincing, tacky defense for your partner, and played the 'too scummy to be scum' card by further faking emotions like this:

If Bookitty is a protown power role I am going to be SO pissed at you ABR.

Pathetic. I love you as a player of integrity and content-wise you are outstanding; but your acting skills suck. The 'I believed she was town so hard so I can't be scum because then I would be bussing' angle ain't gonna fly, Set. You lose.

---

Notice all the inconsistencies in Set and Karma, and vote for the one you prefer...although I'm dead set on Setael as being our furtive missing scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Karma, are my eyes deceiving me ? Why am I not seeing your vote on Setael ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, like I said, this post is a direct contradiction of itself:

I guess I dont understand why mafia would leave a doctor alive. Now, we could all go into a long discussion about this but I would rather not give the mafia any more reason to act, or not to act.

In reference to Bookitty,

I agree with her theory, but I dont think PeteD was scummy for saying it. That said, I think what Pete D didnt say could be viewed as scummy.

I said I didnt understand why people are still voting the claim doc...instead of answering me (like you blatantly did ABR) he came back with this response:

"Why are you assuming that mafia will automatically take him out?" "With statements like this, why would mafia get rid of BM if he was a doc?"

this doesnt sounds like someone who thinks BM is scum. So again, I dont understand the vote or the prespective.

I might have voted Pete D, but Bookkitty's response was..strange...I think Pete D response was scummy for different reasons,

and I dont understand why she thinks it was scummy and it seemed forced...

so I am at a loss.

thoughts?

[Albert B. Rampage]

look, you want a reason to vote me, I get it...but your wrong about me being scum and you are wrong (at least ABR is wrong in his post) about the reason.

Why do I want a reason to vote you Karma ?

if you need to lynch me..lynch me. We can probably afford a mislynch or two, and my loss is not going to hurt the town (soft claim vanilla)...so go ahead lynch me or save me for an investigation. I will try to reread to provide some insight before I go, but this game is not a priority.

If we can afford a mislynch...why not make that mislynch be Setael ? Why not trust me again, as you have before, while saving someone you are certain to be town ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR:

Why do you think Porochaz is town? He did FOS you and did not vote for BooKitty during that last push. He tried to point to someone else that he thought was scummie who was voting against BooKitty. Thoughts?

I simply wanted to look confrontational to see what she would do. In other news, Porochaz is on my townie list. Your description of his end of the day votes are logical to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Last page, man. What is with this ignoring me thang ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

did I say I was certian about Set? The reason I voted with Bookitty (with you) was because a.) we were close to deadline and b.) there was something scummy about bookitty. What do you feel Set is scum?

"Someone you are certain is town". I meant yourself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh yeah, I'm starting to say this in every game; call me Albert or Rampage. ABR has an evil ring to it. Like the logo of a multi-million dollar corporate capitalist venture that takes a big dump on the environment every morning before breakfast. The kind of tag you would give someone that kicks the dog...A...B...RRRR.

So call me Albert.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ARRGGGHH stop calling me ABR. That's reserved for people that think I'm a monster.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Haha thanks

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think Porochaz, CKD and vollkan are scum. I believe ABR is a protown mason so he's just wrong about me - the others who have agreed with/pushed my wagon are likely scum (Porochaz, vollkan - I wouldn't say MoS, I think he's just a townie who's being easily convinced).

If I'm right about Porochaz, who would be the 3 scum ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Messed up tags, its supposed to read Setael wrote:

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think Porochaz, CKD and vollkan are scum. I believe ABR is a protown mason so he's just wrong about me - the others who have agreed with/pushed my wagon are likely scum (Porochaz, vollkan - I wouldn't say MoS, I think he's just a townie who's being easily convinced).

How do you know there are 4 scum in this game ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Karma, I still don't understand why you aren't voting for Setael.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Poro never joined the Boo wagon, that was CKD. Poro actually voted for you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh yea, and

Setael

is a she, lol you guys make her sound like satan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

you guys make her sound like satan.

Which I won't deny

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good! I take it you are soft-claiming vanilla as well ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Upon further review, I find that Jordan, who was replaced by Setael, was coaching Nekka, who was replaced by Bookitty, an awful lot. This cements Setael as today's lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm fine with lynching any of the self-voters on day one.

This is a horrible post. Firstly, actually considering lynching someone this early is generally a bad idea, at the moment, we're trying to get reactions off people to try and judge people's scumminess. Trying to rush the game like this only favours the scum.

Also, self-voting is a very weak reason for lynching someone, even considering doing so is scummy.

Unvote Vote: DP

Jortael defends Nekkitty pretty strongly early on against DP. Goes after DP for the next couple posts.

Yes, because independent thinking will get us no-where...

Sometimes, if the reasons good enough, other players can validly use that reasoning for their vote as well, as long as they don't do it too often, that would be scummy. Besides, Gage is a newbie, so I'd cut him a little slack.

Coaching.

Nekka-Lucifer

: Hmm, a few scummy posts here and there, such as these:

Yes. That's a good scum catching tactic...

Yes, because independent thinking will get us no-where...

Cut him a bit of slack, he is a newbie after all, give him some helpful advice that could help him rather than throw a sarcastic comment at him. That's not going to encourage him to participate, is it?

And this:

BM

I believe you have only analysed 6 people. This is a reminder. Next time will be a vote.

How is only analysing 6 people worthy of a vote? Especially if you said this in your last post:

I smell a jester coming from BM which is incredibally ironic. *Looks to see where my vote lies*

And I've only done a half job so far in my analysis, why did I escape without being threatened with a vote?

Apart from this however, there isn't really anything which strikes my scumdar, and some of his posts give me a gut protown feel.

But that last post I highlighted does give me cause for concern, I'd appreciate if you explained it.

Conclusion

: Reasonably protown, pending his explaination to that post.

Sets up an ambiguous position, but with an easy way out. Takes a minor point that can be easily explained and points to it as scummy. He was probably planning on withdrawing his suspicions when Nekka explained himself and Jortael would then proclaim Nekkitty as no longer scummy.

He defends Nekka indirectly again here and there throughout the game, enough to hold him in under scrutiny on day 2, even without Setael's screw-ups at the end of day 1.

Confirm vote: Setael

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd like to point out where I said Jordan was coaching, and specify that nekka, as the mafia Godfather, would interpret this quote from his supposed scumbuddy Jordan as "don't fucking attack the masons, it will get you nowhere", which is actually great advice.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Volkan and CKD.

[Albert B. Rampage]

SETAEL!!! WITH AN "E"!!!! GUYS!!! lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is it a "screw up" for a townie to not know other players' alignments? That's just the set-up. Townies aren't going to be right all the time in their suspicions because they have no prior knowledge. This is the worst case of tunnel vision I've ever seen. I'm really glad I'm not scum in this game, or I'd feel like I'd really blown it. As it is, a townie can't be blamed for not knowing another player's alignment and being wrong about them.

The only thing I've done wrong is not knowing Boo was scum and not supporting what looked like a ridiculously fast mislynch. Thanks mostly to ABR, I'm now an easy mislynch. The scum don't even have to work anymore - they can just wait for ABR to bully the town into lynching me. With one of our most confirmed protown players pushing, I have no chance. Basically, right now ABR is the scum's best weapon. What a wasted day.

Its what you did, its how you did it, and this is true for every scum tell. I've already documented your scumpatterns and psyscumology last page. You ignore common sense, try to bury strong cases, constantly make emotional appeals and side-track everyone with your garbage. You are valuable to any town lucky enough to have you, but as scum your play is only sub-par.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its NOT what you did*

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't get to do this often, so here's a practical scumguide I will put at your disposal:

• When you're wondering whether or not to bus, focus on the case, and not on who it involves. Treat a case that is on your godfather like you would if it were on a townie. Don't start with a decision to make the arguments, like Bookitty did. Conclusions are reached using logical thinking, not bad interpretations.
  
  
• Pay attention to the game. Get a feel for what is acceptable and what is not. Ignoring the case of a claimed and backed mason is inadmissible.
  
  
• Don't make appeal to emotions. Just take me for example: a lot of players hate me, disaprove of me, the title 'Illogical Rampage' is about to be allocated under my name. What does that say about me ? That clever players set their emotions aside when they play. What does that say about the people who, despite my reputation, would still listen to my arguments and even at times trust their vote to my cases ?
  
  
• WIFOM is unhelpful to discussion and is reserved for scum.

Your lessons are over for today, use these new tools and gadgets wisely. Now get back to the scumcave before robin notices you disapeared!

[Albert B. Rampage]

We be riding on these streets at night, yo

[Albert B. Rampage]

TBH I'm just waiting on BM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Prod BM & Streeflo ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just put your vote on Setael for god's sake.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And Albert is shorter.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dude, who did you protect ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

My case on Setael is earth-shatteringly strong.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Setael doesn't respond to our points because she doesn't feel she can come up with something satisfactory.

Volkan, Hitchens rocks. I'm glad you know him. Read any of his books ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've read the first. You are subscribed to Slate ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've read the first. You are subscribed to Slate ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can you link me to his column ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I am on your scum list, man, feel free to vote me...I am not giving the game the time I should, it is not a priority atm, and I am lacking the time to give it a thorough read to actually scum hunt (most my time here seems to be in defense).

This is incredibly anti-town. If only you would do us a favor and at least vote for scum, you wouldn't appear this scummy. Well there's the post I mentioned before that you replied to, and this is incomprehensible:

Well if ABR wants it, I cant handle all the peer pressure.

vote bookitty

, actually I think your alignment will tell us a lot (looking at pete d)

I offer you...the HAMMER!!!!

This was not, in fact the hammer since the deadline had not passed yet. And then:

[quote="curiouskarmadog]

unvote

...refuse to vote with lowell not to mention his vote looks shady..however, I am sure he knows that.[/quote]

Why did you unvote and voted for Lowell before deadline ? Was there a scum partner on that wagon that you hoped would unvote, or a townie mistake ?

Whatever, your refusal to vote for Setael is unsettling.

Guys, its time to HAMMER. Hammer Setael now!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

ahh screw tomorrow, lets do it today.

albert I dont see the case...but really I am sort of done with this game and lack the time..

vote curiouskarmadog

..that puts me at -1 too...so now you got your choice of hammer lynches..dont worry I am just a boring old vanilla, so you are not losing a power role or anything.

WTF are you doing. Farside unvoted you so you're at -2. Vote for Setael. NOW.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote for Setael and go find a replacement. Whatever, somebody else hammer Setael, anyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So you're point is that you rather lynch a vanilla townie than a potential scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Fuck it. My theory is that both Setael and Karma are scum, and Karma is getting exasperated because he missed his night-kill and his team is cornered like rats.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Karma.

You want to die ? Die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside, you were convinced he was scum just a moment ago. Hammer him and let's be done with this monkey business.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You were right, Karma. Nothing's going to change. We are still lynching your precious Setael tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

YOU SHALL ALL DIE, each and every single one of you!! Nobody opposes the "community" and lives to tell the story. NO ONE! We will wipe you ALL OUT. We will draw you out of your holes like the zits you popped on your scummy faces while growing up in whatever hell you came from. You barbarous sons of bitches, how dare you confront the community !? I will watch your wicked asses burn when the flames push the life out of you one inch at a time and laugh at the nastiness you have brought us. Judgment day has arrived, be prepared to face your worse nightmares, for your fate is sealed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyone wants to claim that as a vig kill ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright. May she rest in peace and her dying wishes be granted.

Vote: Volkan

[Albert B. Rampage]

For the love of God, its SETAEL!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

neither did BM or streeflo, not blaming them or divering attention to them, im drawing attention to that shitty reason for a vote

BM claimed doctor and Streeflo lurked since day 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Volkan you are scummy as hell.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay guys, here's my attempt at a restitution of the facts:

(accomodate yourself with this background music while reading:http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uFecZGRUg)

Day 1: I nail Bookitty. Her lynch draws suspicion on Karma and Setael.

Day 2: Karma loses it, we hammer him. All the arrows are pointing at Setael at this point.

Today: Setael, vanilla townie, gets herself killed, but not before using her last efforts to incriminate Volkan and Karma.

---

My theory is that after I chopped off the head of the mafia, the body turned on itself and went haywire. From the mafia's perspective, Setael was their best bet to survive another day. However, driven mad by my

sheer sexiness

investigative powers and survival of their assassination attempts, their organization collapsed on itself and turned suicidal. That is why Volkan, the last member of the mafia, killed Setael and claimed vig. In my professional opinion, Volkan felt that he was lacking significance. To change the course of the game, he did something unimaginable - something he might have either hoped would confuse the town enough to give him back the advantage or simply sabotage his chances of victory and speed up his judgment.

Now, I know what you will say: we can test his claim by waiting until night to see if there will be 2 night kills. This winning strategy could easily be averted by the real mafia, should Volkan be as he says, by simply choosing to no-kill. This is not a solution to strive for.

I want Volkan dead, on the counts of the classic bus-1/save-1 attitude he had in regards of our two dead mafiamates, charged with attempting to derail the Bookitty wagon, to hammer her in a moment of distress with his tightly clutched page 5-ish case on Nekka, and on the minor charges of choosing Setael over Karma on day 2, of not claiming when the town asked it but, instead, when he thought he would have a better chance at survival for claiming earlier than later, and finally for drawing attention to Bookitty with a simple FoS when a vote would have been appropriate.

Volkan, today is

not

your lucky day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Setael, you suck. You know that, don't you ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

In addition, the last-minute unvote of Karma

before the deadline

indicates the likelihood of a judas on the Kitty wagon that could also save the head honcho of their puny cabal, should he choose so. IOW, throwing the responsibility on Volkan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"If you can't convince them, confuse them."

-Harry S. Truman

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hahahahaha I can't wait to see you fry

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol, any brilliant ideas, partner ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Which friends & enemies ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

How come you read that ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote Streetflo/Setael

I would actually not mind lynching Porochaz. This is the second time that it is clear he is not paying sufficient attention to the game, which might also explain a bizarre night choice. In addition, I find it intriguing that he knows Setael is dead whereas a lot of other things escape him.

Vote Porochaz

You make a good point.

Unvote, vote Porochaz

[Albert B. Rampage]

I call BS on Volkan.

Unvote, vote Volkan

.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, yeah, read my sig, might be L/A for a while, but I'll pop in every once in a while, since this is my fav game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Volkan, lol...honestly, we don't need any evidence or case to lynch you. Your play is ridiculous. Your claim is preposterous. If you really made this kill last night, then where is the mafia ? BM is on leave of absence without reading the thread. His protection choice would have obviously been me or Shanba. The mafia have a much stronger incentive to cophunt than to miss a kill by going after me or him. The probability of them missing their kill twice in a row is less than 5%. You don't have any outs left, Volkan. Barring the option that Porochaz just randomly killed someone without reading the thread, you are the top-most suspect and most assuredly scum.

Therefore, using Occam's razor, you are the best lynch today. Hammer him please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The only person that was going after you was Setael. It makes perfect sense for you to have killed her as scum.

Hahahaha Volkan you defy the laws of mafia. 1-shot-vig is a ridiculous Rampagesque role that Aimee wouldn't make use of.

Everything about your story is ABSURD. You deserve an immediate hammer.

Brownie points to the first that kills him! Face it Volkan, there is no way that you will survive this game as town OR scum after pulling something like that off. Hammer time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Geez, the last two times the town agreed with me, we lynched scum. Can we please lynch Volkan now ? Farside I love you, can you put a term to Volkan's scumminess ? Pete D ? Anyone ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nooooo hammer nowwwwww. NOWWWW. Before someone unvotes. This wagon is already shaky, don't you see ? Open your eyes!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ugh. You dumbass. We could have tricked him into unveiling information if he thought he was dead. Silly move farside...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now, put him at -1 and begone!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was watching T.V. today, and something hit me: Prison Break takes place in Panama. I'm calling dibs on T-bag. Shanba is Bellick. Who're you, Volkan ? The woman in black with the scratch on her face ?

You know I'm going to make fun of you until you vote yourself, mate

[Albert B. Rampage]

For the rest of this game ? This game will be over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside, I think MS should make that post restriction OFFICIAL.

Shanba, hammer time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone must say: "Albert is my role model, and this post is in accordance to my comprehension of his example." at the end of every post.

Their very first post after the night must be: "Albert, I apologize for what I said the other day. I was being a hypocrite, and let my emotions get in the way of my game. I beg you for your forgiveness."

They may not reference the post restriction in any way or shape, and may not confirm or deny that he in fact has one, directly or indirectly.

Finally, they may not reference me in any other way than Lord Albert B. Rampage for the remainder of the game, and must shower me with compliments daily.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You will need to have one hell of an imagination to picture that

Seriously, though. I haven't made a mistake yet. I was right about letting Setael live and killing Karma. I was right then and I am probably right now, and if I'm not, I will have no regrets because this is the only logical step for the town to take.

Why can't you just be a good boy and die ?

Nah, I like you Volkan. There is just no way you will ever survive this game. As town or scum, you must realize this. First, you have to give up. You have to know -not fear, but know- that one day, you will die. Until you know that, you are useless.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Listen Volkan. Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing. Like a monkey, ready to be shot into space. Space monkey! Ready to sacrifice himself for the greater good, to get lynched for the success of the majority.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You realize that all I've been doing is copy pasting Fight Club quotes, do you ?

Regardless. This game is not about rebutting arguments. That would be like looking under your bed for coins when you have a wallet packed with bills. Mafia is about common sense. What do you think is more likely ? And what do you think should be done about it ? The question answers itself. Your grave is calling you, Volkan. Surrender yourself to it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Only people who could have killed Setael are you and Porochaz. Since you claimed the kill, Porochaz is as innocent or scummy as anyone else regarding the kill. So, who knows. I'm at the end of my rope with you, Volkan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am humbled to say that I have no doubts that you are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I knew BM was scum, caught him early on but he claimed doc.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Apologies to Volkan (which I really screwed over this game after he killed Setael because of his faith in me) and Setael who I wrongfully accused.

I think we pretty much secured the game after lynching 2 scum and forced the 3rd to claim. Maybe BM could have pulled a lurk and NK'd the cop, but meh.