Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[Gage]

Vote: Gage

We gotta lynch a noob day 1, right?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote yourself, you freak of nature.

[Gage]

Unvote, Vote: Albert B. Rampage

He called me a freak of nature!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Gage, from ABR that's like the pot calling the kettle neon orange.

[Unright]

I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

how do

you

know the jokes are coming from townies?..

[Unright]

I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

how do

you

know the jokes are coming from townies?..

Based on how many people are making jokes, some of them must be town. I'm not discouraging scum from joking around. They can keep on clowning around if they want.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we just bandwagon someone like any normal game ?

[Nekka-Lucifer]

I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

how do

you

know the jokes are coming from townies?..

Based on how many people are making jokes, some of them must be town. I'm not discouraging scum from joking around. They can keep on clowning around if they want.

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

[JordanA24]

I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.

Vote: Unright

[Unright]

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

[curiouskarmadog]

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.

unvote, vote unright

what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?

[curiouskarmadog]

first "what"=that

[Unright]

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.

what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?

You answered your own question for me. I wanted to bring an abrupt end to the joking stage and move the game into the main stage. Jokey self-votes and meta-gaming votes are impossible to analyze. So now that we've all gotten it out of our system, let's actually begin playing this game.

Additionally, I realize that this move makes me a lightning rod for votes. That's fine. I've got no reason to shy away from them and it invites people to judge others on who is using good logic and who isn't.

[Dragon Phoenix]

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

I agree completely. I would lynch those doing this day one on principle because they are counterproductive - and may well be scum.

Major FOS to those voting Unright based on his post.

[Battle Mage]

I think I'm beginning to see why some people hate the random voting that starts off every game.

When townies start doing joking uber-scummy posts, nothing can really be learned from it. And if you can't learn anything from it then it's useless.

I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.

Vote: Unright

I'm not sure i like how you latched on to someone elses argument completely in order to validate a BW vote.

Unvote, Vote: Jordan

[Albert B. Rampage]

You fucked up, bro. He didn't bandwagon Unright. That was the first vote unright suffered.

[Battle Mage]

actually, i didnt fuck up. Jordan latched onto CKD's logic (which is always a bad idea). case closed.

[curiouskarmadog]

Joking about produces responses. No responses means no info.

I didn't say it didn't produce responses. I said it didn't produce useful responses.

it produced this thread of conversation...I, too, didnt like your use of the word "townies", almost implies you know what everyone joking were townies..slip up, this early? Hard to tell....lets move to the pressure stage.

what was your motivation behind letting us know you didnt like the random vote (joking) stage?

You answered your own question for me. I wanted to bring an abrupt end to the joking stage and move the game into the main stage. Jokey self-votes and meta-gaming votes are impossible to analyze. So now that we've all gotten it out of our system, let's actually begin playing this game.

Additionally, I realize that this move makes me a lightning rod for votes. That's fine. I've got no reason to shy away from them and it invites people to judge others on who is using good logic and who isn't.

Well I guess you did indeed end the random (joke) stage....since this stage bothers you, how do you normally start a game? Attack the random (joke) vote stage? If that stage wasnt there, what would you do?

[Albert B. Rampage]

actually, i didnt fuck up. Jordan latched onto CKD's logic (which is always a bad idea). case closed.

Wrong again. You called it a "BW" vote, when there was no BW.

[Unright]

Well I guess you did indeed end the random (joke) stage....since this stage bothers you, how do you normally start a game? Attack the random (joke) vote stage? If that stage wasnt there, what would you do?

I didn't say that I had a better plan or even that I have a different style. I said I realized why some people don't like it.

Look at posts 19-23. Nekka-Lucifer votes for himself, so Albert B. Rampage and Dragon Phoenix vote for Nekka (with DP listing his reason in quasi-jest(?)), then Battle Mage votes for Dragon Phoenix.

What can be learned from that sequence of events? Absolutely nothing. It's obvious that the voting isn't random, but is it serious? Who knows. The one thing I know is that confusion, chaos, and sarcasm will always help scum more than town. So if I can bring the random (joke) stage to a quick end, then I've eliminated a scum-advantage.

Moving on...

I'm not sure i like how you latched on to someone elses argument completely in order to validate a BW vote.

Albert B. Rampage is right. JordanA24's suspicion and vote were his own and were first. He wasn't latching onto anyone else's train of thought or jumping on any bandwagons.

unvote
vote: Battle Mage

[curiouskarmadog]

Albert B. Rampage is right. JordanA24's suspicion and vote were his own and were first. He wasn't latching onto anyone else's train of thought or jumping on any bandwagons.

really?

how do

you

know the jokes are coming from townies?..

then,

I'm not sure I like how you said townies. I think this is a good place to put an early vote.

Vote: Unright

Seems pretty close to me...I think Jordan was agreeing with me.

Why are you putting words into ABR's mouth? ABR didnt say that Jordan's suspicions was his own, he only said Jordan didnt bandwagon...

[Albert B. Rampage]

QFT ^

Unvote, vote Unright

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Unright. I don't think you have grasped the concept of the random voting stage. It produces reactions, which in turn produces responses to those reactions. These responses could have 'partial' scummy hints in it and we can pressure the person with the 'partial' scummy response. That guy can either be pressured into explaining himself well, or totally messing it up, ending up in a possible lynch.

Get it now? Without Random voting, no-one talks.

[Gage]

Unvote

Nekka hits the nail on the head.

Of course, I think random voting would not be necessary if a game started with a night phase, but that results in at least one person signing up but not being able to play due to death. And that isn't fun.

I don't know who to vote for. I gut tells me that if Unright is lynched they'll be green/blue, but my gut is notoriously wrong.

My scumdar is borked, sue me. I'm mainly posting here so you guys will know I'm not lurking.