Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

you guys make her sound like satan.

Which I won't deny

[Setael]

I don't think I've ever been called Satan before. Even in jest. I guess there's a first time for everything.

Albert, I guess I should have said "scummy" instead of "scum". Who I think is scum(my) has nothing to do with how many scum there are. I'm suspicious of 4 people. I don't know which of them are actually scum. If Porochaz came up town, unright would move up the list.

ckd, I gave my reasons for voting you. Scummy of you to pretend I didn't. Don't worry, though. With Al on the rampage and scum motivated to support my mislynch, I'd be surprised if you don't get out of being lynched today. There's no talking Albert out of pushing my lynch at this point (I'm Boo from yesterday - he won't even need a claim. Except with one big difference. This time he's wrong). At least when I come up town attention will turn to ckd, vollkan and porochaz. unright is lurking so we don't have his response to my wagon yet, but based on his play from yesterday, he should also be pressured.

Though Albert is the main pusher here (and will likely continue to be), when I come up town I don't think that should cast any suspicion on him. There's no way he was bussing Bookitty. He's protown. Those supporting his suspicion of me and hiding behind his case - they're the ones to look at.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good! I take it you are soft-claiming vanilla as well ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Upon further review, I find that Jordan, who was replaced by Setael, was coaching Nekka, who was replaced by Bookitty, an awful lot. This cements Setael as today's lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm fine with lynching any of the self-voters on day one.

This is a horrible post. Firstly, actually considering lynching someone this early is generally a bad idea, at the moment, we're trying to get reactions off people to try and judge people's scumminess. Trying to rush the game like this only favours the scum.

Also, self-voting is a very weak reason for lynching someone, even considering doing so is scummy.

Unvote Vote: DP

Jortael defends Nekkitty pretty strongly early on against DP. Goes after DP for the next couple posts.

Yes, because independent thinking will get us no-where...

Sometimes, if the reasons good enough, other players can validly use that reasoning for their vote as well, as long as they don't do it too often, that would be scummy. Besides, Gage is a newbie, so I'd cut him a little slack.

Coaching.

Nekka-Lucifer

: Hmm, a few scummy posts here and there, such as these:

Yes. That's a good scum catching tactic...

Yes, because independent thinking will get us no-where...

Cut him a bit of slack, he is a newbie after all, give him some helpful advice that could help him rather than throw a sarcastic comment at him. That's not going to encourage him to participate, is it?

And this:

BM

I believe you have only analysed 6 people. This is a reminder. Next time will be a vote.

How is only analysing 6 people worthy of a vote? Especially if you said this in your last post:

I smell a jester coming from BM which is incredibally ironic. *Looks to see where my vote lies*

And I've only done a half job so far in my analysis, why did I escape without being threatened with a vote?

Apart from this however, there isn't really anything which strikes my scumdar, and some of his posts give me a gut protown feel.

But that last post I highlighted does give me cause for concern, I'd appreciate if you explained it.

Conclusion

: Reasonably protown, pending his explaination to that post.

Sets up an ambiguous position, but with an easy way out. Takes a minor point that can be easily explained and points to it as scummy. He was probably planning on withdrawing his suspicions when Nekka explained himself and Jortael would then proclaim Nekkitty as no longer scummy.

He defends Nekka indirectly again here and there throughout the game, enough to hold him in under scrutiny on day 2, even without Setael's screw-ups at the end of day 1.

Confirm vote: Setael

[Setael]

How is it a "screw up" for a townie to not know other players' alignments? That's just the set-up. Townies aren't going to be right all the time in their suspicions because they have no prior knowledge. This is the worst case of tunnel vision I've ever seen. I'm really glad I'm not scum in this game, or I'd feel like I'd really blown it. As it is, a townie can't be blamed for not knowing another player's alignment and being wrong about them.

The only thing I've done wrong is not knowing Boo was scum and not supporting what looked like a ridiculously fast mislynch. Thanks mostly to ABR, I'm now an easy mislynch. The scum don't even have to work anymore - they can just wait for ABR to bully the town into lynching me. With one of our most confirmed protown players pushing, I have no chance. Basically, right now ABR is the scum's best weapon. What a wasted day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd like to point out where I said Jordan was coaching, and specify that nekka, as the mafia Godfather, would interpret this quote from his supposed scumbuddy Jordan as "don't fucking attack the masons, it will get you nowhere", which is actually great advice.

[Setael]

Hey ABR, assuming I'm town for just a second - who would your scum list be?

[farside22]

Hi I replaced unright. As for peoples cases against Satael and CKD they are both good lynches. I just don't care for who is voting against Satael since I see a few people I found questionable. I will stay on CKD.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Volkan and CKD.

[Albert B. Rampage]

SETAEL!!! WITH AN "E"!!!! GUYS!!! lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is it a "screw up" for a townie to not know other players' alignments? That's just the set-up. Townies aren't going to be right all the time in their suspicions because they have no prior knowledge. This is the worst case of tunnel vision I've ever seen. I'm really glad I'm not scum in this game, or I'd feel like I'd really blown it. As it is, a townie can't be blamed for not knowing another player's alignment and being wrong about them.

The only thing I've done wrong is not knowing Boo was scum and not supporting what looked like a ridiculously fast mislynch. Thanks mostly to ABR, I'm now an easy mislynch. The scum don't even have to work anymore - they can just wait for ABR to bully the town into lynching me. With one of our most confirmed protown players pushing, I have no chance. Basically, right now ABR is the scum's best weapon. What a wasted day.

Its what you did, its how you did it, and this is true for every scum tell. I've already documented your scumpatterns and psyscumology last page. You ignore common sense, try to bury strong cases, constantly make emotional appeals and side-track everyone with your garbage. You are valuable to any town lucky enough to have you, but as scum your play is only sub-par.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its NOT what you did*

[Setael]

Its what you did, its how you did it, and this is true for every scum tell. I've already documented your scumpatterns and psyscumology last page. You ignore common sense, try to bury strong cases, constantly make emotional appeals and side-track everyone with your garbage. You are valuable to any town lucky enough to have you, but as scum your play is only sub-par.

The irony here is so thick I'm choking on it. Evidently you're wrong about what a good townie I am, since a good townie would not manage to look this scummy to so many (not all of whom can be scum). The most incorrect part of that quote (at least re: this game so far) is "You are valuable to any town lucky enough to have you."

At least you'll look at vollkan and ckd when I come up town. In that way at least I've been a little "valuable".

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't get to do this often, so here's a practical scumguide I will put at your disposal:

• When you're wondering whether or not to bus, focus on the case, and not on who it involves. Treat a case that is on your godfather like you would if it were on a townie. Don't start with a decision to make the arguments, like Bookitty did. Conclusions are reached using logical thinking, not bad interpretations.
  
  
• Pay attention to the game. Get a feel for what is acceptable and what is not. Ignoring the case of a claimed and backed mason is inadmissible.
  
  
• Don't make appeal to emotions. Just take me for example: a lot of players hate me, disaprove of me, the title 'Illogical Rampage' is about to be allocated under my name. What does that say about me ? That clever players set their emotions aside when they play. What does that say about the people who, despite my reputation, would still listen to my arguments and even at times trust their vote to my cases ?
  
  
• WIFOM is unhelpful to discussion and is reserved for scum.

Your lessons are over for today, use these new tools and gadgets wisely. Now get back to the scumcave before robin notices you disapeared!

[Shanba]

Vote: CKD

I aint convinced by my buddy. Of course, I could be waking up tomorrow with egg on my face, but hey. Them's the risks you run.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We be riding on these streets at night, yo

[Albert B. Rampage]

TBH I'm just waiting on BM.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Setael (4) -- Albert B. Rampage, Porochaz, Mastermind of Sin, Lowell
curiouskarmadog (5) -- farside22, pete d, Dragon Phoenix, Setael, Shanba

Not voting: Battle Mage, Streeflo, volkan, curiouskarmadog
13 alive, 7 to lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Prod BM & Streeflo ?

[curiouskarmadog]

sorry rampage(btw ABR is easier to say), I just dont see that Set as scum yet. At least with Bookitty (and peted at the time) I saw some action that I felt was odd. The only thing scummy I find that Set is doing is jumping on my wagon to save her own ass (turning me into the vote leader). This could be easily considered self preservation. If I am on your scum list, man, feel free to vote me...I am not giving the game the time I should, it is not a priority atm, and I am lacking the time to give it a thorough read to actually scum hunt (most my time here seems to be in defense).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just put your vote on Setael for god's sake.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And Albert is shorter.

[Patrick]

Streeflo has requested replacement because of computer problems, I'm looking. I'll prod BM.

[Setael]

I've noticed something in vollkan's posts re: CKD that I'd like to point out.

CKD makes a good point about Unright putting words into ABR's mouth and votes…

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Unright thinks that seeing BM as scummy depends on injecting wifom. I disagree, since BM could easily have screwed up in the voting as a scum. That isn't to say that I think he is scummy for the votes, just that I don't think it is a town-tell. Whilst people tend to be more careful as scum, I don't think that it is really a wifom.

CKD gets points for realising this.

MoS thinks it is a null-tell. BM moves MoS to pro-town for the accurate meta - this is being overly generous with townie brownies.

CKD, sensibly, doesn't buy this.

(bolding by me)

Jordan points out a bogus contradiction from CKD - I call it bogus because he suggests there is some inconsistency with CKD unvoting BM and CKD asking pete d why he thinks BM is OK.

11. curiouskarmadog
I have no issues here, since I find myself in agreement with him on most of the matters I look at above. 50%

Not only do we have all these compliments of CKD's play, we also have absolutely no negative comments from vollkan about CKD. No stated suspicion, no implied suspicion. The logical conclusion would be for vollkan to list ckd on the town end of his scum list, but he didn't. I didn't catch this at first since his whole analysis post was so wishy washy and noncommital, but he pointed it out himself when he said:

If you read my comments on those who have a 50%, there are either people I have scant suspicion of (Jordan, CKD and ABR) and lurkers who I have no read on.

In light of the fact that vollkan not only had never stated any suspicion of CKD and had instead pointed out several things that should put him on the town side of his scum list, we'd expect CKD to end up there. Scant suspicion is still suspicion. Why not list him as town? After vollkan's analysis, if vollkan is town (or if CKD is town) the only thing that makes sense is for vollkan to list CKD as town. UNLESS both ckd and vollkan are scum and vollkan was trying to paint ckd in a town light while distancing from him, which is the only scenario in which I can see vollkan making the statements he did about CKD seeming town and then listing him at 50%. So yeah, my vote stays.