Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[pete d]

vote: Porochaz

Didn't vote for bookitty nor ckd.

[Porochaz]

neither did BM or streeflo, not blaming them or divering attention to them, im drawing attention to that shitty reason for a vote

[vollkan]

Alright. May she rest in peace and her dying wishes be granted.

Vote: Volkan

Do you have a case perchance?

[Albert B. Rampage]

neither did BM or streeflo, not blaming them or divering attention to them, im drawing attention to that shitty reason for a vote

BM claimed doctor and Streeflo lurked since day 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Volkan you are scummy as hell.

[vollkan]

Do you have a case perchance?

[vollkan]

Do you have a case perchance?

[Dragon Phoenix]

I did not vig her either. This is a weird night choice.

With the most logical choices being vollkan and streetflo, I'd rather go after the lurker as the most obvious one to make a strange night choice.

Vote streetflo

[vollkan]

I've been tossing up whether to wait for a wagon to form before doing this but I've decided to go ahead and claim:

I'm the vig

On N1 I chose not to kill. Last night, I killed Setael.

[Dragon Phoenix]

That could be a mafia gamble of course (take out a suspected townie and ride the vig claim to the end), but was the situation so desperate for the scum to resort to this? Setael woud have been a sitting suck for the lynch today, so taking out the doc would have made more sense. I tend to believe vollkan.

[Shanba]

On the grounds that the scum must be insane,

Vote: ABR

(I am, in fact, kidding)

unvote

Vollkan's claim is interesting, ad tbh, I tend to believe it. In which casse, it would be useful for BM to claim his target as if vollkan is telling the truth that player is very likely innocent.

Now then...

Vote: Lowell

I'm willing to be convinced to move to a lurker, or to someone who looks more like a scumbuddy.

[Patrick]

Setael is replacing Streeflo.

[Shanba]

Hi Setael.

Do you replace into every game? That's kinda awesome.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Porochaz

[Patrick]

Votecount

Volkan (1) -- Albert B. Rampage
Porochaz (3) -- farside22, pete d, Mastermind of Sin
Setael (1) -- Dragon Phoenix
Lowell (1) -- Shanba

Not Voting: Setael, volkan, Lowell, Battle Mage, Porochaz
11 alive, 6 to lynch.

[Setael]

Hi Shanba. Yeah, I started one game from scratch and the first 10 pages were pretty boring. I prefer replacing in once it's exciting

Anyone else think it's odd that there's never been a NK? I think they were stopped by the doc or cop N1 but I think there was a NK last night.

I think there's a good chance that vollkan NK'd me with the intention of claiming vig. Risky, but worth a gamble since they've already lost 2 members of their team. They knew ABR would likely push my lynch today, with me targeting vollkan the whole time and then when I came up town it would look very bad on vollkan. Perfect solution = NK me and claim it as a vig kill. Might give a chance at a win to a scum team that has been dropping like flies.

I also think if he was town he'd be more likely to be a 1-shot. Oh, and if he was town I think he'd have vigged me after Bookitty came up scum. I see no reason for a town vig with a nightly kill to have left me alive after Bookitty's lynch. As scum, he'd definitely claim to be able to kill every night to keep us from lynching him. All signs point to vollkan scum.

vote: vollkan

[Setael]

EBWOP: I think they were stopped by the doc or RB (not cop)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay guys, here's my attempt at a restitution of the facts:

(accomodate yourself with this background music while reading:http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uFecZGRUg)

Day 1: I nail Bookitty. Her lynch draws suspicion on Karma and Setael.

Day 2: Karma loses it, we hammer him. All the arrows are pointing at Setael at this point.

Today: Setael, vanilla townie, gets herself killed, but not before using her last efforts to incriminate Volkan and Karma.

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My theory is that after I chopped off the head of the mafia, the body turned on itself and went haywire. From the mafia's perspective, Setael was their best bet to survive another day. However, driven mad by my

sheer sexiness

investigative powers and survival of their assassination attempts, their organization collapsed on itself and turned suicidal. That is why Volkan, the last member of the mafia, killed Setael and claimed vig. In my professional opinion, Volkan felt that he was lacking significance. To change the course of the game, he did something unimaginable - something he might have either hoped would confuse the town enough to give him back the advantage or simply sabotage his chances of victory and speed up his judgment.

Now, I know what you will say: we can test his claim by waiting until night to see if there will be 2 night kills. This winning strategy could easily be averted by the real mafia, should Volkan be as he says, by simply choosing to no-kill. This is not a solution to strive for.

I want Volkan dead, on the counts of the classic bus-1/save-1 attitude he had in regards of our two dead mafiamates, charged with attempting to derail the Bookitty wagon, to hammer her in a moment of distress with his tightly clutched page 5-ish case on Nekka, and on the minor charges of choosing Setael over Karma on day 2, of not claiming when the town asked it but, instead, when he thought he would have a better chance at survival for claiming earlier than later, and finally for drawing attention to Bookitty with a simple FoS when a vote would have been appropriate.

Volkan, today is

not

your lucky day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Setael, you suck. You know that, don't you ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

In addition, the last-minute unvote of Karma

before the deadline

indicates the likelihood of a judas on the Kitty wagon that could also save the head honcho of their puny cabal, should he choose so. IOW, throwing the responsibility on Volkan.

[Shanba]

TBH, I think ABR is overthinking.

[Albert B. Rampage]

"If you can't convince them, confuse them."

-Harry S. Truman

[vollkan]

I want Volkan dead, on the counts of the classic bus-1/save-1 attitude he had in regards of our two dead mafiamates charged with attempting to derail the Bookitty wagon, to hammer her in a moment of distress with his tightly clutched page 5-ish case on Nekka, and on the minor charges of choosing Setael over Karma on day 2, of not claiming when the town asked it but, instead, when he thought he would have a better chance at survival for claiming earlier than later, and finally for drawing attention to Bookitty with a simple FoS when a vote would have been appropriate.

That is not a case. That is you assuming that I am scum and then telling a little story to explain my actions.

The only way I can actually respond to that is to simply counter it with my own perspective on my actions. I'll begin at the post where I FoS Bookitty:
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I agreed with what had been said regarding Bookitty and found what she had said to be suspect. I chose to FoS rather than vote for the simple reason that I didn't consider Bookitty vote-worthy at that stage of things. She had done that one thing I addressed which stood out, but nothing else seemed particularly damning to me.

As far as the hammer goes, I was basing it in a large part on what I had seen of Nekka. My FoS reflected my opinion of Bookitty, and the fact that I had a few problems with some of the charges levelled against her by yourself ("false dichotomies" and the "feigns agreeing" thing) which made me wonder if it was just you being a little over-exuberant. So, when it came down to hammer-time, I sincerely needed to refer to my own view of Nekka because I did not think that the case on Bookitty was lynch-worthy at that point (but, given the deadline, there wasn't any more time).

Then D2 comes around with Setael and CKD as the standout suspects to me. I reviewed both of them in detail and came to the conclusion that Setael was scummier. Thus, I kept my vote on Setael. After CKD was hammered, night came and I acted on my suspicion by killing Setael - knowing full well that if Setael was not scum (and possibly even if she was) it would result in me being on the defensive today.

Now I will address my decision to claim at the time when I did. When I saw that Albert had called for anyone to claim it as a vig kill I actually typed out a claiming post but ended up deciding against it because I reasoned that it would have more sensible to wait for a wagon to form. However, the fact that Albert had called for claims was weighing pretty heavily on me as pressure to claim - since I figured he would not have made such a call without good reason. As I saw people claiming that it was

not

their kill, I decided that I was probably being unreasonable in my refusal to claim, and so I went ahead with it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hahahahaha I can't wait to see you fry

[Shanba]

Bah.

ABR, this is Setael mark II.

Mark my words.