Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[Shanba]

I'm considering hammering vollkan for the simple reason that his claim sitnks to high heaven

For the record, since I don't think it's been said, my role PM states explicitly that ABR is town. So no sneaky lynching of him if'n I die, k?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside, I think MS should make that post restriction OFFICIAL.

Shanba, hammer time.

[farside22]

Farside, I think MS should make that post restriction OFFICIAL.

Shanba, hammer time.

What post restriction?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone must say: "Albert is my role model, and this post is in accordance to my comprehension of his example." at the end of every post.

Their very first post after the night must be: "Albert, I apologize for what I said the other day. I was being a hypocrite, and let my emotions get in the way of my game. I beg you for your forgiveness."

They may not reference the post restriction in any way or shape, and may not confirm or deny that he in fact has one, directly or indirectly.

Finally, they may not reference me in any other way than Lord Albert B. Rampage for the remainder of the game, and must shower me with compliments daily.

[vollkan]

Don't gloat Albert - you were wrong about Setael and you are wrong about me. Seeing as it has been acknowledged that there is no need for a case against me, and that everything I have said has been dismissed as BS, I don't think there is anything I can actually defend against.

Therefore, I have a little thought experiment that I want each person on the wagon, and anyone considering hammering, to answer:

Imagine you are a one-shot vig. Imagine that, on D1, you weren't totally persuaded by the case on Book initially (and you were actually being criticised at the time for showing

any

support). Imagine that, on D2, you found Setael more suspect than CKD. Entertain me with an account of how you would have acted in the position of this hypothetical one-shot vig.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You will need to have one hell of an imagination to picture that

Seriously, though. I haven't made a mistake yet. I was right about letting Setael live and killing Karma. I was right then and I am probably right now, and if I'm not, I will have no regrets because this is the only logical step for the town to take.

Why can't you just be a good boy and die ?

Nah, I like you Volkan. There is just no way you will ever survive this game. As town or scum, you must realize this. First, you have to give up. You have to know -not fear, but know- that one day, you will die. Until you know that, you are useless.

[vollkan]

Nah, I like you Volkan. There is just no way you will ever survive this game. As town or scum, you must realize this. First, you have to give up. You have to know -not fear, but know- that one day, you will die. Until you know that, you are useless.

I'm more useful to you if I know that my days are numbered? Moreover, usually I hear the opposite sort of thing - people get lambasted for being "defeatist" and acting like the a dead man walking.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Listen Volkan. Without pain, without sacrifice, we would have nothing. Like a monkey, ready to be shot into space. Space monkey! Ready to sacrifice himself for the greater good, to get lynched for the success of the majority.

[vollkan]

Okay, now here is my understanding of this:

If I don't keep fighting, I effectively give any scum a license to hammer me (hence my post reviewing the fact that I have rebutted every argument against me, and my thought experiment - which you answered so informatively ). I am not going to let that happen and intend on making it pretty damn explicit that this wagon is, quite literally, baseless.

I

know

that I am very likely going to die, but I intend on forcing this wagon to answer the yucky questions as much as I possibly can

[Albert B. Rampage]

You realize that all I've been doing is copy pasting Fight Club quotes, do you ?

Regardless. This game is not about rebutting arguments. That would be like looking under your bed for coins when you have a wallet packed with bills. Mafia is about common sense. What do you think is more likely ? And what do you think should be done about it ? The question answers itself. Your grave is calling you, Volkan. Surrender yourself to it.

[vollkan]

I haven't seen Fight Club. That ought to answer your question.

I can see I'm not going to be able to convince you that "Lynching without a case is bad".

Another question - When I come up town, then you will have to construct some other scenario. What will that scenario be, and how likely is that scenario? (see, if my death is inevitable, we might as well move on and discuss other matters )

[Albert B. Rampage]

Only people who could have killed Setael are you and Porochaz. Since you claimed the kill, Porochaz is as innocent or scummy as anyone else regarding the kill. So, who knows. I'm at the end of my rope with you, Volkan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am humbled to say that I have no doubts that you are scum.

[farside22]

You know Albert there will be at least 2 people doing the I told you so dance?
Since you want to put that all out there for me to say. I return the favor in kind and you must say if I'm right and Vokan is not scum. You must say: Farside is the most knowledgable player on this site and I am not fit to stand or play in the same game as her. I bow down to her intelligence (although not her spelling) and worship her.

[vollkan]

Second Albert to be forced to admit his inferiority to farside

I'm considering hammering vollkan for the simple reason that his claim sitnks to high heaven

But why?!? (Consider my little thought experiment, for starters).

[Setael]

Since you want to put that all out there for me to say. I return the favor in kind and you must say if I'm right and Vokan is not scum. You must say: Farside is the most knowledgable player on this site and I am not fit to stand or play in the same game as her. I bow down to her intelligence (although not her spelling) and worship her.

And farside, if vollkan is actually scum, don't be surprised when ABR pushes your lynch as hard as he pushed mine when I was wrong about Bookitty.

@vollkan: If you're telling the truth, why do you think there haven't been any NKs?

[vollkan]

@vollkan: If you're telling the truth, why do you think there haven't been any NKs?

Well, let's look at the facts:
1) We have 2 claimed masons
2) We have a claimed doc

This is the most likely explanation I can see:
Mafia targets masons twice and both times picks one that BM protects. The chance of this occurring is 1/4 if the mafia is only targeting masons and if BM is only protecting from the masons. Albert has suggested that the mafia would cop-hunt, but I'd have to query how likely that is. I mean, keeping all of Albert, Shanba and BM (assuming all their claims are correct) alive means having 3 "confirmed" town which can control discussion - and the odds of actually hitting a cop are miniscule without "coptells". I'm a little surprised that they wouldn't target BM (to avoid having their kill stopped), but I suppose that could be a case of WIFOM games.

Oh, @Setael - Did you read my post where I looked back over my responses to your arguments?

[pete d]

Alright.

unvote, vote: vollkan

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[vollkan]

*sigh*
Nice to see Pete making such a well-explained hammer - particularly given that he has expressed no prior suspicion of me.

Go town!

Patrick

- If you want me to replace any of the lurkers I am ready and willing.

[vollkan]

Oh, and whodhavethunkit - lynching without a case isn't a good idea

[farside22]

Since you want to put that all out there for me to say. I return the favor in kind and you must say if I'm right and Vokan is not scum. You must say: Farside is the most knowledgable player on this site and I am not fit to stand or play in the same game as her. I bow down to her intelligence (although not her spelling) and worship her.

And farside, if vollkan is actually scum, don't be surprised when ABR pushes your lynch as hard as he pushed mine when I was wrong about Bookitty.

@vollkan: If you're telling the truth, why do you think there haven't been any NKs?

Honestly I think I'm right, but if I'm wrong I had fun.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*sigh*

[Patrick]

Final Votecount

Volkan (6) -- Setael, Lowell, Albert B. Rampage, Porochaz, farside22, pete d
Porochaz (2) -- Mastermind of Sin, Dragon Phoenix
Lowell (1) -- Shanba

Not Voting: volkan, Battle Mage
11 alive, 6 to lynch.
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While the mod isn't watching, you all sneakily decide to lynch volkan, who claims to be a one shot vig. When he expires, you all search his corpse, finding a revolver with no bullets left in it. Scum would still have had ammo left, so you sadly have to conclude that he was telling the truth.

vollkan - One shot Vigilante - lynched day 3

Night 3. You have 72 hours. No posting in the thread.

[Patrick]

Day 4 dawns for you to find that another person has been eliminated. Last night's victim was Albert B Rampage, who's rampage through town was stopped very suddenly by a hail of bullets. Albert was a member of the town masonic society, with the usual secret handshake etc etc. He will be very sadly missed.

Albert B. Rampage - Mason - killed night 3

It's day 4. With 9 players alive, 5 votes will be enough to lynch.

[Shanba]

Alas, poor rampage.

We shall miss you. You took down two scum (and two innocents, but hey). May we keep your memory in our hearts and may your deah act as a catalyst, a memorial round which we, the bereaved town, will rally, and carry the fight to the enemy!

Now, where were we?

Ah yes.

I believe that we had plans for one or two of you.