Mini 1113 - Brotherhood of the Wolf Mafia

UncertainKitten · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:25 am

Vote MagnaofIllusion

I'm not sure you're all aware of this, but MoI is the mod, right?
And the mod knows who all the scum are, right?
So if MoI were TRULY a pro town force,

WOULD HE NOT TELL US WHO THE SCUM ARE!?

Quid Pro Quo he's WITH THE SCUM!

Also, hi Mari, and yes, SC, it's still in my sig.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:58 am

Aww hell naw, AGM did NOT just compare me to vezok. That's just plain INSULTING.

Katsuki is being silly, but he usually is.

SC, why did you conveniently forget to place your vote somewhere else?

Mari, why are you so nervous about me being at L-3?

I'll confess that my feeling from prior games with Mari (of which there are few) is that she's more hesitant in general so I'm not in a rush to jump on her. I still wouldn't mind answers.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #34 (isolation #2) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:01 pm

SC: That sounds more like "I don't want to commit to a stance that might bite me in the ass now that things are in flux"

Unvote, Vote StrangerCoug

Though I suppose I don't have to unvote since

MoI DIDN'T COUNT MY FIRST VOTE!!!

UncertainKitten · Post Post #35 (isolation #3) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:02 pm

Also why would we assume 10:3 mountainous? Did I miss a memo?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #38 (isolation #4) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:07 pm

Then your hypothetical is pointless. And I see several things that could be voteworthy out there. You just don't seem to be looking for them.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #41 (isolation #5) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:24 pm

Your last post is noted, but will remain unprocessed until more information becomes available. I can think of several ways to interpret it at the moment and I'd rather not set you up for a "damned if you do damned if you don't" situation. At least not yet~

UncertainKitten · Post Post #46 (isolation #6) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:38 pm

I actually didn't notice ^-^.

Why didn't you revote?

Anyway, an early wagon on me wouldn't frustrate me. It would be a serious wagon for really dumb reasons that would set me off. Or really stupidity in general.

But no one here is going to be stupid, are they ^-^? Of course not.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #56 (isolation #7) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:00 pm

Hmm.

That's...actually all there is to say. Hmm.

Mostly regarding Mari, though with a dash of AKR lookage. AGM also bugs me but I might just be mad at him for comparing me to vezok still

.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #67 (isolation #8) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:06 am

Huh. I mostly like the way you think, Mina. I don't like the lack of succinctness but I can deal. At least it's not a quote stripe wall. Anyway, it also seems the words are doing things rather than just being there to intimidate people. Main issues I have with you are reliance on scumtells when you seem really close to touching on intent based scumhunting. Then again maybe that's just how you're explaining it, who knows.

AGM's latest post is giving me bad vibes. But they're related to UT, who I'm not yet opinionated on. Or rather, not strongly opinionated. My leaning is that that the revote without Katsuki posting inbetween is off, but I don't feel it's necessarily conclusive. The fact that AGM brings this up and it's altogether stronger than anything he has on Mari *could* easily be done with scum intent. More easily than town intent, anyway.

AGM: Thoughts on AKR and SC?

... you know what's REALLY wierd? I see UTs name being thrown about but no actual votes on him. How disturbing.

Unvote, Vote Untrod Tripod

FoS: AGM

I would have done it in the opposite order but I find it incredibly odd that somehow UT has been dodging votes.

@havingfitz: Why did you unvote Untrod Tripod? When are you going to provide a top suspect?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #72 (isolation #9) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:21 am

Where did I say I disliked the attack? I said it was more sound than his attack on Mari, just that in isolation I wasn't sure if there was anything strong enough to commit to on UT.

When combined with the fact that UT ~*~magically~*~ has no votes despite no less than three people expressing suspicion of him, THEN we have some shenanigans.

Basically, I think AGM is kinda poking UT so if UT flips, he can be like "I KNEW IT!", while not starting the wagon on UT. It's a weak case but I think it's a good start. Really, both AGM and UT are fully lynchable to me, at this time.

As for perceived inconsistencies, I was reading over things around the events you alluded to and noticed that things were a bit weird.

Anyway: Reckamonic, that's nice. I am going to completely not give a damn. Now, about that content you haven't provided yet?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #76 (isolation #10) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:41 am

Actually, SC, I see her point. It's less the time waited and more the fact it both wasn't immediately forthcoming and somewhat odd to just immediately log off after making a post like that.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #85 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:14 am

@hf: Sure, but ASAP generally implies sooner than nearly 24 hours later. Just saying.

Nothing else to note.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #87 (isolation #12) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:33 am

@Zang: Fuck your quote stripes with a hammer.

That said it was a stream of consciousness post, as I explained in a later post. But clearly you weren't paying attention. Too busy using quote tags I expect.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #91 (isolation #13) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:02 am

Quote stripes are still just about the best way to artificially inflate a post that actually says nothing. You ask a lot of aimless questions. I hope the answers help you.

As for reading my posts before posting them, I do, but I rarely feel the need to edit them. You know why? I'm town, and my thought processes reflect that. I have nothing to hide. If I make a seeming contradiction, perhaps rather than saying "OH MAI GAWD U CONTRADICK *hurr hurr* ED URSLF!!", you should THINK for two seconds about just HOW said contradiction benefits scum.

Your "scumhunting" thus far is unimpressive. Fix it.

@Mari, and everyone else: May I request that the flavor route NOT be taken? It's generally a waste of town time and resources to arrive at absolutely no useful conclusion. To add to that, you've also assisted Reckamonic's fakeclaim, if that is what they are doing. There was no need to give the name out for free. Flavor spec more often benefits scum than town because it tells them what people are expecting. I've *never* seen a valid town benefit to flavor speculation.

Thank you, this was a PSA from Kitties! Inc.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #92 (isolation #14) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:21 am

Just to disclaim the above, by the way, I mean only to refer to your actions, Zang, and not your personal person. From what little I've interacted with you, you seem like a decent guy. I just want it to be clear that if it seems like I'm insulting you directly, I more insulting your posts. As for my end I try my best to direct anything mean I have to say to what I find distressing in the first place, but sometimes I mess up and go off with "You're an idiot *etc. etc.*"

UncertainKitten · Post Post #98 (isolation #15) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:55 am

Oh? So you can find some scum intent for that stream of consciousness? Oh, I'd LOVEEEEEEEE to hear it, Zang~.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #102 (isolation #16) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:43 am

See, the big problem with your cute little simplification is it COMPLETELY IGNORES the stream of logic I provided.

Why are you trying to misrepresent facts, Zang? Afraid of me?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #105 (isolation #17) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:18 pm

@Zang: Oh, the part where you COMPLETELY IGNORE where I explain the change in my thought process.

But, whatever, I'll let you have you're pretty little lies in Zangland. I really don't give five shits anymore.

As for Reckamonic, I'm not buying they are this incredibly stupid.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #108 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:42 pm

Oh? So we're not allowed to suspect you in later days for being scummy, irrespective of your claim? Because that sounds rather advantageous to scum if I understand you right.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #111 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:34 pm

@Mari: No, that's exactly what I meant. For them to reclaim ~*~conveniently~*~ when a flavor name is provided seems suicidally dumb for scum. I'd like to think neither Reck nor Dram are that stupid.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #113 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:39 pm

That's nice. When I care about what you think, I'll be sure to drop you a line, Zang.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #116 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:28 pm

As long as you don't expect me to ignore you if you start scumming it up.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #141 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:19 pm

/me notes CooLDoG agreeing with MAri

/me notes CooLDoG failing to vote

his scumbuddy

UT.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #153 (isolation #23) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:21 am

I'd love to if people would post things relevant to this game. Also if we could get something meaty rather than the flavor spec game. I may give the game a read through just to try to get back into it later. Though if anyone wants to post anything damning, be my guest.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #159 (isolation #24) » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:11 am

The meta was really dumb though, and the argument went on too long. So, no, I'm sorry, it wasn't relevant.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #182 (isolation #25) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:11 am

Yeah, I'll admit I'm kinda wondering what caused that switch between the two comments :S.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #183 (isolation #26) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:16 am

Anyway, you say a lot at the end, but who do you actually suspect, and why? Can you tell me in 5 sentences or less per person?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #185 (isolation #27) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 7:43 am

LMP, sorry it wasn't clear.

Though while I'm at it, that's a good question for everyone.

Who do you suspect and why, in 5 sentences or less.

Should get us back into this game. I'll start:

I suspect AGM because he seems to acknowledge everything wrong with Untrod Tripod but uses significantly weaker reasoning to vote Mariyta.

I suspect Untrod Tripod since he has done effectively nothing of value, but for some reason a lot of people suspect him...without him getting much votes. I find it VERY INTERESTING that he's evaded votes while getting so much attention.

Hmm...if I HAVE to choose a third, I lean StrangerCoug. Most of his posts are basically fluff or irrelevant. The posts he DOES make that are relevant are mostly reiterating observations others have made. Correct me if I'm wrong, SC, but you haven't made one unique observation all game.

So, everyone else go~

UncertainKitten · Post Post #193 (isolation #28) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:20 am

LMP wrote:The people here for the reasons already given.

UK wrote:Who do you suspect and why, in
5 sentences or less.

Humor me, OK? No quotes, no nothing, just tell me why they're scum. Thank you.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #199 (isolation #29) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:34 pm

I have a life and work as well, SC, yet ~*~somehow~*~ I seem to be producing fairly original content fairly frequently. You're coasting and you aren't TRYING. Fix it.

And thank you LMP. Can you elaborate on something though? How was CD contradictory, and how is his contradiction scummy? In your view, of course.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #201 (isolation #30) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:54 pm

Hi CoolDog. Do this:

UK wrote:Who do you suspect and why, in 5 sentences or less.

Now.

You as well, SC.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #205 (isolation #31) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:48 pm

Actually, I read the game through in context. At the time UT had done exactly the same things he's done now. He made ONE new post since you said your piece on him, and it was fairly irrelevant.

So, yes, actually, I think it is fairly valid.

Thank you for the scum picks though.

@CD: How does Reck being pissed off aid scumreck?
@AGM: Where is CD contradicting himself? If you already pointed it out, feel free to quote yourself.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #208 (isolation #32) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:00 pm

All right, I think I see. Not sure if I see a pro scum point. Not without more information.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #214 (isolation #33) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:33 pm

You know, I find it hard to believe in OMGUS...but...seriously, UT's attack on me is about the closest damn thing I have EVER had the misfortune of seeing to it.

Try harder, thanks.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #216 (isolation #34) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:38 pm

Well, I've weighed in that he's a tentative third. UT really needs to die though.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #223 (isolation #35) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:37 am

Actually, UT, I have no obligation to convince you that you're scum. So, really, since no one else seems to have any issues with my argument, I see no need to elucidate it for you. It's fairly plain to everyone else. What's so hard about it for you?

I will state that you are completely incorrect about why the votes tell works.

I'll also state that your little effort post is pretty silly when it shows at least one third of the players to be players you have absolutely no opinion on, but INSIST on telling us just so you can look just a wee bit more active.

Clever, really.

Now, before you call me out on one third as opposed to one sixth, it's rather magical that your "leaning towns" "haven't said much". It's also magical that you just pick out a couple things without really elucidating.

WHICH

points?

WHY

? There's no real content, just pretty words.

@CD: Ok, you said that. But you didn't tell me why getting pissed off at people helps him as scum. Which is what I meant to ask, and am *pretty* sure I did ask. But, I could be wrong. So, I'm asking that now. How does it help Reckamonic scum to get pissed off at everyone?

I'll also note that crap logic isn't *necessarily* a reason to lynch. That's lynching a player for playing badly. However, faking pro townness is a pretty good reason to lynch, which is very much the vibe I get from his last post.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #230 (isolation #36) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:40 am

I try to pretend Zang doesn't exist since reading his posts often gives me a headache. My experience has been he's difficult to read, and I'm happy with my current scum picks.

As for the UT wagon, well, part of it is him being completely and absolutely useless. Even now that he's supposedly posted content, it's been useless. The secondary aspect of my case is that a lot of people are saying he's scummy...yet he doesn't have many votes on him. I feel that if he were just an idiot townie, scum would be all over shoving that wagon, since it SHOULD be agreeable. Intriguingly enough, no one has, except for me.

Now, I suppose I could possibly be scum doing what I outlined above, but that's for you to decide.

Top suspects, GW? Oh, and how remiss I am. Who are your top suspects, Havingfitz? UT?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #231 (isolation #37) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:42 am

Oh, right, also at Mina, but she has to catch up.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #239 (isolation #38) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:24 am

I see more people calling him scum. Could you cite sources for your claim, GW?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #241 (isolation #39) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:39 am

So what exactly does that contribute to the case against Reck? Scum are not generally in the habit of doing things that don't benefit them. There's WIFOM but then there's dumb. What you propose is in the latter set.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #244 (isolation #40) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:44 am

Meta reads are in general crap and overall unhelpful. But thanks for trying, CD.

So, no, I'm rather unconvinced by "OMG HE'S NOT PLAYING TO HIS META!"

UncertainKitten · Post Post #247 (isolation #41) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:52 am

There are people who have actively done worse things in THIS game than whatever sins or lack thereof Reckamonic has committed in prior games. Get your ass in this game, in the present. Drop the past, and suddenly your scumhunting becomes a LOT BETTER.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #250 (isolation #42) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:07 pm

I read said posts as poking at him for being scummy, myself. AGM, sure, he seems to think it doesn't matter. But Mina and CD push him into the scummy zone, if I read correctly. And still aren't voting him.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #253 (isolation #43) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:14 pm

Well, I also disagree with the way AGM prioritized, which is what also struck me as odd. CD is still an enigma wrapped in mystery to me.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #280 (isolation #44) » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:51 pm

I'm unimpressed with the CoolDog wagon. With all due respect he seems like a complete and utter moron. But not necessarily moronic scum.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #287 (isolation #45) » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:49 pm

Well, for one, UT seems to be invincible to wagoning. For two, he feels more like he's faking effort. I get SOME since of sincerity from CD, even if his efforts are crap. Also, rather magical how the CD wagon sprouted up in less than 24 hours. Well, so I thought. May not be an indicator of anything, but, well, we'll see who was right if he flips, ne?

@Katsuki: Haven't decided. I note that at least one of my scum picks is in that set~.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #289 (isolation #46) » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:52 pm

Oh? And just how do you verify things in mafia? I've never found a way, surprisingly enough.

I'd LOVE to see how you support your vote for CoolDog, for instance.

I've already explained why UT is scum. If you can't accept it, too bad.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #295 (isolation #47) » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:01 pm

Well, I can't help it if you all are letting scum lead you like damned sheep to a townie lynch. Have fun being wrong, AGM.

(Well, actually, you're probably one of the scum involved. So go you, I guess?)

tl;dr

UncertainKitten · Post Post #306 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:12 am

@AGM: You're completely ignoring the fact I was already calling you scum. So, no, don't try this shit.

@UT: That was a surprisingly (mostly) good post. Keep it up.

Unvote, Vote AGM

I've decided I dislike his cute misrepresentations of facts.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #307 (isolation #49) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:13 am

Ugh.

Mod, can you fix my tags?

Done

UncertainKitten · Post Post #308 (isolation #50) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:18 am

EBWOP: I'll note that my suspicion of UT has not been fully dispelled, it's just he's become second place (or lower) now. I think I'd even place him below SC at this point.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #311 (isolation #51) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:10 am

UncertainKitten · Post Post #313 (isolation #52) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:22 am

UncertainKitten · Post Post #315 (isolation #53) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:36 am

But it's very important for our arguments, MoI! It is CRITICAL to our scumhunting prowess to throw stupid pictures at each other. H-how can you be against such a thing!? I bet you wouldn't even pet a kitten >=[!

I'm a cruel cruel man. Just ask my daughter. I only allow her two dogs, one cat and one large bowl of fish. I am a monster!

UncertainKitten · Post Post #332 (isolation #54) » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:07 am

I'd have to read his ISO. Surprised you aren't calling me scum for accusing you ^-^.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #370 (isolation #55) » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:09 am

So, anyway, you all lost me a couple pages back and I'm not sure how. At some point I'm going to have to reread the game, hopefully after I cook dinner tonight (since I have worky type stuff to do in the meantime).

UncertainKitten · Post Post #394 (isolation #56) » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:51 am

Turns out I'm a liar and have no idea when I'll get to this. Maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow night. Hopefully tonight but I have things to do...

UncertainKitten · Post Post #439 (isolation #57) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:00 pm

Fucking hell, I can't bring myself to actually read this game anytime. I'm going to ISO AKR, see if he at all seems like a good vote, and probably vote him. Hopefully I'll be motivated to reread soon.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #442 (isolation #58) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:12 pm

Um...what's the case on AKR? I'm seeing a fairly active contributor after the start of the game. He starts off parroting a lot but comes into his own, as far as I can see.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #446 (isolation #59) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:43 pm

UncertainKitten wrote:Um...what's the case on AKR? I'm seeing a fairly active contributor after the start of the game. He starts off parroting a lot but comes into his own, as far as I can see.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #452 (isolation #60) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:43 am

@AGM: Examples please. Feel free to quote yourself, I've certainly missed stuff.

My ISO of him didn't turn any of this up. He had a bad start but he started to at least seem like he was trying.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #455 (isolation #61) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:08 am

Also, while I'm looking at things, what's the case on Zang? He seems to have become popular.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #458 (isolation #62) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:05 am

Eh. Well, you know what? I think I support Zang a bit more than AKR at the moment, as far as people I want dead. I'll do an ISO to confirm my decision, but as far as getting a lynch, I'll probably vote Zang.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #459 (isolation #63) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:07 am

Um...yeah.

Unvote AGM, Vote Zang

UncertainKitten · Post Post #460 (isolation #64) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:09 am

If you need a reason, it's the fact that most of the questions you ask have about as much to do with this game as my blood type. The occasional times you DO manage to be playing this game rather than asking random nothings, it's hesitant and not that proactive. And now it's "Why am I being voted, hurr?" A word of advice in the future. When you're getting wagoned, you should proactively try to find scum, not ask the same damn question over and over. It makes you look bad.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #462 (isolation #65) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:10 am

Oh, also, that's L-2.

@AGM: Then convince me. I'm not seeing it.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #464 (isolation #66) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:22 am

You DO realize he hasn't posted on site since the 27th of January, right? It'd be one thing if he were posting elsewhere but...

UncertainKitten · Post Post #466 (isolation #67) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:49 am

But that also doesn't necessarily mean he's lurking as you say. It is entirely possible he has had some...issue with his internets. I don't think that's good enough evidence. I'd like you to use something else.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #468 (isolation #68) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:12 am

Oh really? Because most of them are, in my view, tripe that do not further the scumhunting process. Their inane, and never get followed up.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #470 (isolation #69) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:22 am

There are other reasons I can think of, but I'm not attached enough to Zang lynch to pursue them at the moment. I'll also note your innocence is far from guaranteed.

Unvote Zang

We're stuck now. Both leading wagons kinda suck at the moment.

Vote StrangerCoug

UncertainKitten · Post Post #476 (isolation #70) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:40 am

You're going to have to explain that, CD, because it's a pretty dicktarded conclusion as things stand.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #480 (isolation #71) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:49 am

Mostly because everyone had other targets and those are rapidly becoming invalid and we can't seem to compromise for jackshit. But a lot of people have been poking at SC, so it was eventually bound to happen if nothing else went through.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #483 (isolation #72) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:11 am

I forget. Why do you ask though? That's...kinna odd really ^-^;...

UncertainKitten · Post Post #485 (isolation #73) » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:25 am

Oh, OK. Sorry, I forgot ^-^.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #493 (isolation #74) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:30 am

Oh, you're just so cutely hilarious havingfitz.

Are you going to provide a case or will I have to chalk it up to the moron brigade rousing up again?

It's probably the moron brigade, really.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #494 (isolation #75) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:35 am

(And yes, after you provide a case I will tell you all the things that are already wrong with your vote)

UncertainKitten · Post Post #497 (isolation #76) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:44 am

More like I don't suffer idiocy. Because your vote is utterly stupid for several reasons.

1)The Zang wagon didn't have much activity by the time I jumped on it, and I weighed WHY I did it.
2)Vote Count Analysis only works when you have flips. You don't have anything concrete to stand on, so your vote amounts to utter bullshit because you thought you saw a trend. Good job.
3)If you look at my posting history, for the most part it's been fairly pro town. The fact you just assume that one vote can suddenly reveal my motivations reveals you are a TERRIBLE mafia player.

Why don't you try hard?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #498 (isolation #77) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:44 am

EBWOP: Posting AND voting history. I've been fairly transparent and so far, you're the only person dumb enough to think I could be scum.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #500 (isolation #78) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:46 am

Yeah, I didn't realize there were so many sub par players in this game. I saw a couple names I liked and needed a game, but I'm seriously kinda regretting it with the large amount of logic fail occurring.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #517 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:52 am

I think you missed the compelling evidence AGM provided that caused MoI to do a rule change. Well, somewhat compelling.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #548 (isolation #80) » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:03 am

Katsuki, that's probably because there are a lot more morons in this game tying me up, and the fact that I've been extraordinarily busy between work, three times a week DnD, and running a DnD game of my own, among other things.

Deal with it.

Top three reads...

Ugh, so much has been smashed here.

SC would be my top read at the moment, already told you why. Being passive, latching onto others, etc.

UT improved a lot but then disappeared, which is kinda lame. So, sure, let's put UT in second for now.

...I really don't have a third. Anyone who I'd consider scummy is really just acting like a complete moron all around. I guess I'd provisionally go for havingfitz because his logic is really silly for voting me. It's also intriguing he picks a wagon that SURE as hell won't get off the ground less than 5 days before deadline. So...

But moar SC votes.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #549 (isolation #81) » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:04 am

Kats: Why is HF bussing me, given what you said and your vote?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #551 (isolation #82) » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:06 am

Maybe when I have time, which I won't have today. I would guess there MIGHT be something in my ISO. Not sure.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #564 (isolation #83) » Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:11 pm

@AKR: Basically boils down to UT being useless, and when suddenly he produces something people call good, he thinks he's all clear to disappear again and continue to be useless. Which seems like someone more concerned about the town thinking he's town rather than doing townie things.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #588 (isolation #84) » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:23 am

Deal with it.

That's my case on SC. It's probably mildly outdated. I don't recall any of those facts changing though, regarding SC.

I'm kinda in a hurry because I overslept and now I have to run DnD in less than an hour so I have to get my notes together and stuff. I'll see if I can produce something more specific tonight.

HF, you clearly aren't looking hard enough, probably because you just can't POSSIBLY disbelieve your half assed read.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #590 (isolation #85) » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:44 am

Because I'm pretty certain CD is just a moron. Call it gut. I would, however, not be averse to someone vigging him. Or lynching him before lylo if it comes down to it. I'd just rather lynch scum first.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #593 (isolation #86) » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:28 am

The moronitude takes a different bent. The best I can explain it is CD looks like he's trying.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #621 (isolation #87) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:13 am

You know what? You keep complaining you don't see why SC is scum. How about YOU tell ME why the hell he's town?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #626 (isolation #88) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:56 am

Then I'm afraid you aren't looking hard enough, Mari. I'll see what I can produce now since I actually have a free minute.

What's the case on AKR, cause I don't see that myself.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #628 (isolation #89) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:06 am

Coasting after backing off an incorrect vote
Coasting
Retracting earlier retraction with no apparent reasoning, PARTICULARLY after not really feeling his prior reasoning
Coasting
IIoA
Piggy backing

Note, that at this point, SC has not provided a single original thought that had any bearing on the game.

FIRST USEFUL POST OF THE GAME! ON PAGE FUCKING SIX

Next three posts have absolutely no bearing on the game.

Oh God Quote Stripes WHY >=[!!!!!

Anyway, the quote stripes are a useless argument with AGM. I see nothing of worth in them.

Do you? What, pray tell, is your case on AGM?

You are saying things and not supporting them. [[citation needed]]

And then insistence on the Zang lynch just feels like "NOOOOOOOOO! MY MISLYNCH!!!! I CANNOT LOSE ITTTTTT!!!!"

Finally, SC, I STILL don't understand your case on CD OR AGM.

So, yeah, actually, I'm pretty sure SC is scum at this point.

I don't see that at all, Mari.

UT I could go with, but not above SC.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #630 (isolation #90) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:56 am

SC wrote:He also flailed after other people jumped on his wagon.

[[citation needed]]

Also, yes, "defending" is coasting when it's the ONLY thing you do.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #633 (isolation #91) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:12 am

Ding ding ding. You got it in one. You've been active lurking like nobody's business.

I DON'T LIKE THAT!!

Also, I thought both you and AGM were wasting my friggen time.

@LMP: What softclaim?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #635 (isolation #92) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:16 am

I did. Both you and AGM were wasting my time.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #639 (isolation #93) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:50 am

I totally failed to notice that. That's really fucking terrible. What the fuck is wrong with you CD?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #650 (isolation #94) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:04 am

To be honest, I think CD has already well and proven himself to be a moron. I don't think he literally has enough brain cells to fakeclaim.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #653 (isolation #95) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:37 pm

I'm up for a UT or HF lynch.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #659 (isolation #96) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:34 pm

See, I like keeping Katsuki around because whoever he suspects tends to be town. It's like a reverse scumdar ^-^;.

I can get behind a Katsuki lynch if necessary.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #669 (isolation #97) » Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:38 pm

@UT: Prior experience with Katsuki.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #676 (isolation #98) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:20 am

Yeah, it's a shame I didn't post a reason.

The rest of your "points" are junk, HF, and you are also pretty much exceeding me in the realm of ad hom. I really feel no reason to continue any discourse with you til you clean up your act. Thank you ^-^.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #677 (isolation #99) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:21 am

Well, the thing is, I already know you've started to be wrong here, Katsuki

. Just consider it a light hearted comment, not something I'd actually pursue as evidence.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #679 (isolation #100) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:18 am

It's probably my fault, actually ^-^. One of the games I modded a long time ago had me create an arbitrary rule that everyone in the game had to put Kamina Glasses in their avatar or be insulted by me in every post. It sorta became a meme from there.

And I'm so sorry you thought this game looked good. It will give you a headache by page 17.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #684 (isolation #101) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:42 am

CD, shoot someone. Now that you've claimed, it's virtually certain you'll be NK'd. Hell, shoot UT, there's enough support for his death.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #693 (isolation #102) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:04 am

That's...really rather fatuous, GrayICE. I mean, your gloss on me reads careless as hell. The rest of it isn't really that amazing, either.

Not sure if I think you're scum, but I don't think you're very good at mafia.

Then again walls don't really impress me anyway. Maybe your future posting will be more sensical.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #694 (isolation #103) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:05 am

SC would also be a good shot, yes. I just figured more people were hot on killing UT. To be honest, we should be voting for who CD kills, but GUESS WHAT!? We have ONE DAY and I doubt we'll get anything organized fast enough. I assume everyone is going to throw in a "shoot X" opinion, so I threw in mine.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #697 (isolation #104) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:21 am

Ah, we have more time. This is a good thing. NOW I think we have time to vote on CD's shot.

Any objections to said plan?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #703 (isolation #105) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:57 am

Under normal circumstances, I'd let the vig pick their shot.

BUT CD IS A FUCKING MORON. You do NOT trust a fucking moron with a gun.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #704 (isolation #106) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:00 am

Question for GI: How often do you see scum "directing town power"?

And is that REALLY your case on me? That I'm "directing town power?"

UncertainKitten · Post Post #707 (isolation #107) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:11 am

That's hilarious, because guess what?

It's the only damned thing you've mentioned

The rest is just vague ~*~allusions~*~

Put up or shut up, thank you.

You never answered my question either.

If you're town, why can't you answer a question directly? Is it because you're scum without a valid answer?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #709 (isolation #108) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:38 am

AGM, that would be unproductive, no matter HOW fucking useless he is.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #712 (isolation #109) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:00 am

Heh, you are also bad at meta. I've done this same "act" as town.

As for shooting UT, I figured it was more in line with what town wanted.

Seeing as how there's a lot more vocal support for a UT lynch than an SC lynch.

Quite frankly, UT and SC can both die for all I care.

You're getting up there because your case kinda sucks, really. Though a bad case doesn't necessarily indicate scum...it's just your case has a feeling of setting out with the intent of painting me scummy.

Have fun with that.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #713 (isolation #110) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:02 am

I will note you're right. I don't care who dies today. We need flips, and everyone thus far having been proposed has been scummy as fuck. CD and your slot were about the only lynches I disagreed with.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #723 (isolation #111) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:21 am

Wellp, then you and I aren't going to get along, GreyICE. And it appears you'll have to deal with me unless you can find some decent evidence on me. Which you won't, because I'm pretty transparently town to those that are paying attention.

You really can't conclude anything without flips. You don't have anything to deduce FROM. Behavior tells are subjective as all hell, especially without anything to really base them off of. However, that doesn't mean that we should lynch randomly. I do note you COMPLETELY IGNORE the part where I said most of the people I've supported lynching

have been scummy as all hell

, so it's reached a point where most of the proposed lynches would be REALLY GOOD ONES.

I'm not sure what your motives are. I suggest you make them clearer as the game goes on.

Oh, hey, CD idiot posted.

You're shooting UT.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #726 (isolation #112) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:26 am

Kill me then. And prove how much of a fucking idiot you are.

Honestly, I'm sick of this fucking half. Half of you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, and the other half can't get it's act together and get shit done. This includes me. You all sapped the fucking life right out of me.

So go ahead and fucking shoot, and prove how much of a fucking moron you are. Prove your gut should be rended and torn out and used to feed some wild beasts. Prove that YOU SHOULDN'T FUCKING PLAY MAFIA BECAUSE YOU WILL NEVER SUCCEED AT IT, CD.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #727 (isolation #113) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:26 am

EBWOP: Half should be game.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #729 (isolation #114) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:27 am

Oh, really, GW? This is interesting. Now I REALLY want CD to shoot me.

Come on, give it a shot, the targets right here!

UncertainKitten · Post Post #731 (isolation #115) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:29 am

Oh, and when I flip town, you can take a look at Katsuki and GrayICE if CD turns out to be scum.

Am I, CD? Oh no, shoot me now. Do it. Prove you're scum, now.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #733 (isolation #116) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:30 am

If it isn't obvious, this was what the build up was too. I was wondering why all these vague suspicions were being thrown at me. I also did forget HF though. So, two out of the three of HF/Katsuki/Grey, assuming CD one shot vig scum. And by all means, let him kill me.

My death should solve this puzzle nicely.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #735 (isolation #117) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:31 am

And CD, you have

NO FUCKING RIGHT

to talk about "Good town play"

@Mari:
>CoolDog
>Stupid

WELLP!

UncertainKitten · Post Post #738 (isolation #118) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:33 am

You do realize just what you're saying, right CD? WIFOM isn't NEARLY as common as people say, but...you basically just posted a classical case of it.

@CD: And I really don't give a shit. Shoot me. I'm not scared of a fucking moron like you. Go ahead, shoot. Do it.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #740 (isolation #119) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:35 am

Oh no, let him shoot me. It'll be a graceful exit for this hell of a game. Then I don't have to damage my karma at least.

I'm really fed up with how terrible most of you are. I expected better.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #742 (isolation #120) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:36 am

Pardon me if I don't exactly believe you.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #744 (isolation #121) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:38 am

Aww, that's no fun. You should unilaterally kill me. It'd out your scumbuddies and EVERYTHING~

UncertainKitten · Post Post #747 (isolation #122) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:40 am

Oh, I already told you.

Two of Katsuki/HF/GreyICE

It's *really convenient* that there should be localized dissent against me and suddenly you walk in with a vig. It's a really nice trick, actually.

Granted, it assumes you flip scum. I wouldn't have entertained the theory normally, but your roleclaim makes things...different~

UncertainKitten · Post Post #749 (isolation #123) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:41 am

See, GW gets it. Go for it CD. Just be sure to make it ~painful~, k?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #752 (isolation #124) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:44 am

Where the hell did that come from?

Also, intriguingly enough, I'd more suspect HF over Kat.

Basically, when I made my initial guess, I forgot that HF had also been poking me with bad logic.

As it stands, I'd put HF/GreyICE as the team, with Kat as an outlier. Kat is just probably wrong.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #755 (isolation #125) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:45 am

EBWOP: I'd like to note that this theory REQUIRES CD to be scum. That is far from clear at this juncture. The flavor makes it a valid theory, in my opinion.

It would likely be better just to shoot someone who by general consensus is scummy. Like UT, SC, HF, etc.

@CD: I didn't change it. HF and GI are both within HF/Kat/GI

And HF would be a wonderful shot, actually. I wonder if you'll actually do it though.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #758 (isolation #126) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:47 am

Not necessarily. The town still has to agree to it in something resembling a consensus of more than two people.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:08 am

SK UK, actually. And different circumstances. Do you have a town meta of me in a similar situation, LMP?

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:09 am

The problem with meta is you have to have examples of ALL alignments before you use it. So, please, LMP, try not to be dumb about this.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:14 am

In fact, let's make this easier for people

Here's the post right after Nacho claims he got an (erroneous) guilty cop result on me

In fact, I'd say this supports me being TOWN, LMP. Since I "knew" Nacho was lying and reacted as such.

Well, what you're saying is pretty much a pile of bollocks and effectively useless. META DOESN'T WORK.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:15 am

And yes, I would like to survive, LMP, now that the gun isn't guaranteed trained on me. I'm not a good vig shot. I'm not a good lynch. There is a list of people who would be a LOT BETTER DEAD than I am. Excuse me if I know this and ain't afraid to say it.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:16 am

EBWOP: But at least if CD HAD shot me out of hand things would have been clearer to everyone.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:20 am

Sure. But I was also an

investigation immune

SK. Nacho should not have gotten a guilty result on me. As it turned out, the mod fucked up.

In that instance, my play would more mirror my TOWN play than my SCUM play.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:22 am

That's great. The thing is you're also a self admitted fucking moron. So I highly doubt you'd know a shit justification if you dropped one in the toilet.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:25 am

See, the thing is, it's not really OMGUS. You EACH have scummy things against you ignoring any "cases" on me. Even then, it's a bit conspiracy theoristish...but...then CD claims the big bad of the movie? Uh...no.

Sorry, not going to accept that. If CD is scum, then two of you three form the rest. It's too fucking convenient otherwise.

But, I'll thank you for trying to strap an overused buzzword to me. Learn to play mafia, not rhetoric wars.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:29 am

Oh my.

Hey, I changed my mind about you GI, you're an all right fellow.

Still might be scum, but at least you got some fire in ya~

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:32 am

Heehee, that's a new one.

You might want to take a breather. Wouldn't want you to get an aneurysm~

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:36 am

Ok then, have fun. Feel free to kill me!

LMP, you are one to talk about awful mafia playing. You may not be CD tier, but if you had half a brain you'd understand how fucking stupid your "meta" is ^-^.

@Mari: I'm a big girl. It's rude of him, but shooting him just for that would be ridiculously not good. Replacing him might not be a bad idea, but I'd also argue that I've done replace worthy things this game as well.

I think this game is starting to break apart, and I'm sorry for that. I probably went a little overboard with CD.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:46 am

/me sighs.

I've let my...dislike for CD's lack of mafia skills cloud my own. I can't believe that I accepted a flavor argument. CD still might be scum, but the flavor isn't going to cinch that. I'm really not sure what to make of CD. Usually you can figure out a trend but...he's just all over the fucking place.

I still think HF is a good shot regardless, and am willing to produce an ISO case on him if pressed. GI, I'm not sure about, though I think his logic at the least is lacking. SC is not a bad shot/lynch either, assuming that the CD scum trifecta doesn't work out.

Really, y'all have got me all sorts of screwed up. I'm getting better vibes from UT, but that might just be because he's in my favor. Though he's firstly stopped lurking, and secondly seems to have a head on his shoulders when he tries.

Katsuki, I more supported for lynch because we needed a lynch. I don't have strong feelings on him.

Um...I don't think anyone else has raised my suspicions that much.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:49 am

~~~<3 LMP

.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:51 am

Love all around! Stop the hatred! Let's resolve our differences and lynch the scums!

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:56 am

Can we do that? Can we we really?

Cause holy fuck why didn't we before!?

Vote: Force replace CooLDoG

UncertainKitten · Post Post #804 (isolation #142) » Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:24 pm

Well, I still have objections to the word you used, but I also understand you were mad. Doesn't excuse it per se, but I guess it was...understandable? I dunno.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #819 (isolation #143) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:29 am

@HF:

If you can't figure out why your ad homs are pretty terrible, that's nice. If you refuse to see the obvious reasons I've posted for every vote, then that's nice. Clearly, you are set on me being scum. So please, continue to believe that. Have fun in your fantasy world. Me, I'm going to play mafia. Thank you.

@Katsuki: Clearly, you are set on me being scum. So please, continue to believe that. Have fun in your fantasy world. Me, I'm going to play mafia. Thank you.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #820 (isolation #144) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:33 am

Anyway, HF's post, to me, reads as scared scum. He's trying to fling as much shit at me as he can, regardless of it's truth, to see if he can get me shot instead of himself. GI is right that it's *incredibly* odd that HF would suddenly deign to post after a period of lurking. He's trying to save his ass and attack his main accuser.

I have him pinned.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #822 (isolation #145) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:44 am

Oh, you know, the REPEATED accusations that it's "that time of the month", among other things. You're a sexist fuck and I really just plain don't like you. But I didn't really see a need to make a huge issue of it, because in the end I'm more interested in catching scum.

Conveniently enough, you're also likely scum. Your points are shit because they aren't scumtells, just bullshit you made up to make me look bad. FORTUNATELY, most of this town can see you're full of it.

And yes, it is most of the town. 7/12 people counts as a majority. LMP doesn't even appear to be pushing me as hard. All that's left in your little bloc is: You, Katsuki, GreyICE, and CooLDoG.

So, give it up. If you're town, actually hunt scum. If you're scum, sit down and take your bullet.

I have to work, so it'll be a few hours before I get to be even more witheringly accurate about you, HF. You'll just have to wait ~<3

UncertainKitten · Post Post #829 (isolation #146) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:57 am

Taking a short break.

@GI: It's not that amazingly amazing that you're agreeing with me. Regardless of my methods, people for some reason do seem to think I'm a halfway decent player. You might not like me, but I don't think the fact you've basically started to see what I see is so noteworthy it requires a shudder. Now then, do you think HF is scum with me? What about Katsuki?

@UT: To be honest, I'm quite happy CD is letting town vote because I'm sure we can both agree that we can't trust him to make anything close to a good shot, right?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:06 am

That was probably sarcasm, but in case it wasn't, I did say halfway decent. I'm far from Glork good, or really anywhere near the "high tier" players. I just have some concept of what I'm doing, whether you like my methods or not, mostly all I was pointing out.

Also, there were two questions in what you quoted. Please answer them ^-^.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:41 am

It works surprisingly well, oddly enough. Scum love attacking me. I try not to accuse EVERYONE that attacks me, though, and before the CD business I would have placed you as most town of my attackers. I'm leaning that way again because I'm getting a distinct sense of effort from you now. You're starting to make sense and what you are saying flows a lot better. I thought your initial post careless and there was a casual connection, particularly given the timing with CD's vig choices.

More goes into it than "they attacked me, they must be scum!" And it's of course not always right.

Anyway, it wasn't necessarily clear that you have, at least temporarily, ceased suspecting me. I also wanted to hear directly how you'd respond.

@HF: Looks like your bloc has become HF/Kats/CD. I hope you aren't going to try to convince me 3/12 players is a majority of town~.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:27 pm

AlmasterGM wrote:
Vote: Force replace CooLDoG

The rules do not allow for player motivated replacements of other players.

/me sadfaces

MoI T_T

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:50 pm

Why would you vig Kat when he's at L-1? He
Can
Be
LYNCHED.

Why did you NOT vig HF?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #848 (isolation #151) » Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:02 pm

Mm...actually, we'll probably want to analyze the flip, so I'd like people to have a little time to do that.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #872 (isolation #152) » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:03 am

Hmm. Then I was wrong. I'm...rather busy today but I'll try to find some time to do some rereading. I clearly need it.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #874 (isolation #153) » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:30 am

So, now I'm not allowed to admit I'm wrong? What a fun game we're playing.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #881 (isolation #154) » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:36 am

@LMP: Oh, Okay.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #918 (isolation #155) » Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:06 pm

No, LMP is basically full of it. I'm not sure if it makes him scum, but he's said at least two incredibly silly things trying to implicate me with them. His little "meta" example was pretty obviously busted for the reasons both GW AND myself brought up. As for this whole "I was wrong" thing, at best he's using a wikitell, which would be incredibly dumb to do anyway.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #921 (isolation #156) » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:22 pm

I've never really been impressed with LMP either way. Which is kinda a complement given the amount of VIs around. He basically hasn't struck me as a moron, which is already a step above some people.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #942 (isolation #157) » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:44 am

Um...MoI...

I think there's an error in your vote count. There are 11 alive. That means it takes 6 to lynch...

No, the game started with 13 players, so after havingfitz's death there are still 12 alive so 7 is the proper lynch threshold.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #948 (isolation #158) » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:35 am

...OH YEAH! They changed the mini limit. Fucking 13 player games. Back in my day we had 12 players and THAT WAS THE LIMIT >=[!

Sorry MoI

No problem

UncertainKitten · Post Post #955 (isolation #159) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:58 am

I'm still trying to understand LMP's case on me since it's so far removed from the realm of logic. Running DnD right now, will be playing KoL tonight, hopefully after that I'll have time to sit down and reread this monster.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #957 (isolation #160) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:00 am

Except for me, right Mari? I can still call bullshit cases bullshit cases, right? Cause they so often are?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #962 (isolation #161) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:21 am

I personally favor a ridiculous theory and a more plausible one. Ridiculous theory is CD is scum and can only shoot during the day if he foregoes a kill at night. More plausible is it was a doctor. Occam's Razor, UT. That said, your plan probably isn't a bad one and I encourage it. Might turn up *something*

UncertainKitten · Post Post #964 (isolation #162) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:23 am

@GreyICE: Elaborate? I don't see it.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #969 (isolation #163) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:40 am

See, NK analysis isn't all bad, and you seem to think it is. It can be a valuable insight, since for the most part, PEOPLE DON'T DO IT. So scum don't fear it.

Now, whether you should be vocal about your analysis is a different argument. Not sure where I stand on it.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #971 (isolation #164) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:49 am

Then I'm afraid that I disagree with your theory. If that makes me look worse, so be it.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #974 (isolation #165) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:56 am

All right. The wisdom on speculating on a no kill is mostly in the event you assume it wasn't a doctor. Granted, the length of my speculation only extends to "I wonder if CD has a penalty for his vig"

You of course don't try to speculate about doctors/who they protected.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:22 am

I don't see the rolefishing. And hilariously enough, scum don't tend to rolefish. It's HELPFUL to them, but it's one of those weird things where most of the time a townie will rolefish. Of course, it's possible there's an exception.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:42 am

I've played a fuckton more games than you onsite and off. I've found that it doesn't happen as often as it's decried. NEARLY as often. You're always going to get lucky eventually. Do you have anything MORE on UT?

UncertainKitten · Post Post #992 (isolation #168) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:31 pm

Oh lovely.

Can you show me where I rolefished for the doctor again, SC?

And can you show me where I EVER said protection speculation is ok?

You're either drastically misreading things or drastically unable to comprehend the English language, SC.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #994 (isolation #169) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:36 pm

Grey WAS. Which UT didn't appear to be doing from my perspective. I took UT's side because first, rolefishing isn't often done by scum in my experience, and tends to be a convenient buzzword to get a mislynch, and second, because I think UT had a good idea even if odds are he's wrong about the reasoning.

Supposedly, I was somehow fishing for the doctor in this defense.

UncertainKitten · Post Post #995 (isolation #170) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:38 pm

Yeah, SC, the last sentence of 974 is pretty fucking obviously saying you DON'T speculate about that stuff.

I have a book for you SC

UncertainKitten · Post Post #999 (isolation #171) » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:04 pm

@SC: Well, guess what? I'm insulted by the insinuation that I can't play basic fucking mafia. So learn to read or accept that you fucked up. Thank you.

I'm quite amazed you were any good at copy editing if you can't understand that I was pretty fucking obviously saying that you DON'T speculate on Doctor targeting.

You were the ONLY person STUPID enough to get that from that line.

So really, I don't give a fuck if you're insulted. The shoe fucking fit.

As for not considering a roleblocker, do I need to list every role that can block a kill? Because I have a whole ton of them. I could make a huge list. Want me to start in my next post? Hell, as a bonus I'll throw in every indirect way a kill can be stopped. Want me to?

@Grey: Not sure how I feel about CD. And I told you it was a ridiculous theory. But still plausible. I think I've seen it as a role before. Not certain on that though. I may just have came up with it on my own and never put it into play yet.

To be honest, I want CD dead so that my brain can recover from the incredible stupid. But that's probably not going to happen so.

I still don't see what the terrible idea is?

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:02 pm

So...why is he so far removed from his prior incarnation? To be honest, it sounds like you were plug and chugging names and got caught doing it.

UncertainKitten · Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:37 pm

@CD: Eh, I haven't been that insulting, I've merely been concluding that people are acting dumb. If that's too much you'll just have to

And by plug and chug I mean you just placed names randomly and hoped no one would look closely.

UncertainKitten · Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:55 am

Feel free to steal it CD. It's fun perpetuating reaction images

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@Mari: I swear I did it at least once. Not sure if they were both town.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:47 pm

/me sighs.

OK, let me get some ramen and I will try my hardest to slog through this game and get some reads. If I die because of an aneurysm, it's all of you alls fault. Well, probably the fault of some of the dead too.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:43 pm

OK, you know what? Fuck this shit. I can't read this game anymore. I got to page 14 and the text is becoming squiggles. I'll post my findings and stick with em unless people present evidence to the contrary.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:47 pm

CAUTION! CAUTION! WALL OF TEXT INCOMING!

Wow. Less than 20 posts in and I'm already facepalming at Katsuki. Amazing.

By post 20 I'm wondering if SC intentionally tried to make it look like he had an opinion without actually making a real vote or if he just forgot to revote.

Oh, go me for observing the exact same things at the time. I love it when past me is so on top of things.

Post 30: Now it's GI, but I must admit, this post from AKR is pretty bad.

Post 31: SC "I don't want to take a stance that will bite me in the ass later."

...I'm really bad at making new insights it seems. I am such a pasthole, geez. Observing everything the same like.

@SC: Also, it's the fact you neatly avoid taking any stance whatsoever in a sneaky way. It would be easy to not notice you aren't voting. You should have been at that point.

Post 40: SC, I changed my mind, that vote was terrible and you should feel bad. There was NO NEW EVIDENCE on Katsuki, yet you randomly revote him because I'm giving you flak?

Suspicious

Post 42: UT, this vote was bad and you should feel bad.

Most. Regretted. Words. Ever.

Not sure how to feel about Mari posts/not revoting. It seems less malicious.

Post 51: *psst* This is your brain calling, AKR. I have original thoughts in here. You should speak them sometime, eh?

Post 58: Still unimpressed with your reasoning here, AGM. Not sure if it implies anything but I want it noted.

Post 59: What was the point of this post UT?

Post 61: CD, why were you voting Kat? I was totally not seeing the thing on Kat, and obviously don't now.

Post 69: Hey, Reck, thanks for not posting any content. That was AWESOME!

Post 75: So...uh...first, do you have opinions? And second...uh...yes, it is odd that a claim wouldn't include flavor, since that implies bad things.

Also, I know he's dead and town, but GOD Katsuki has been useless in the first 100 posts of this game. Just sayan, because I'm sick of seeing a Katsuki post continually have no value.

Post 79: You know what this post is still missing? Content.

Post 86: Can you tell me the point of this, again Zang? Can you tell me how this is at all trying to catch scum and not just saying things to look active?

Post 89: No, actually, ahahaha, you didn't. You didn't even MENTION Katsuki in your post. You also go in about three different contradictory directions when you post anything resembling an opinion. Care to try that again? Maybe with less lying?

Post 94: Awesome lack of content, bro.

Post 97: Amazing lack of consistency, bro.

Post 99: FIRST ORIGINAL POST IN THIS GAME! GIVE SC A TROPHY!
(No, seriously, good observation past SC)

You know, at first I'd have thought no one could be so stupid as to, say, claim two role names. This game has proven to me that it is indeed possible to be that stupid. I'm going to retract my opinion that that wasn't scummy as all fuck.

Post 106: This is either really damning or really decent. We don't have enough info to determine which yet, but I want to make a note of it.

Post 107: OK, given the flips, I can buy this, actually. Notice that Katsuki was Name, Seductress. So it is entirely possible the Head is the miller flavor. I'm dropping this point now. Retracting my earlier retraction.

Post 115: It's sad that this is the first SCRAP of content Reckamonic provides.

Post 118: Turns out they were a horrible townie. What now? Also, what would have been the scum intent in the link Katsuki provided?

Your later posts make me feel better about you though. There's a townie fervor. I disagree with the conclusions though.

(Oh God WHY is this only page 5? I still have 37 of these fuckers left?)

CD continues being CD.

Post 128: Points for not parroting, but of ALL the sins Reckamonic committed, you go after his policy lynch? And also, you STILL never explained why you voted Katsuki yet stick with it for no apparent reason.

HF, why the fuck would you vote on flavor? Seriously, if you're still reading this game, dear god that was dumb.

Post 135: I sympathize but still note a complete and utter lack of content.

Post 136: Well, it's content, and I don't disagree with it. Knowing HFs flip, I'm not sure how I should feel about this.

Post 138: What does this post do Zang? What does it do besides make it look like you're contributing?

Post 142: And the lack of content continues!

The big flaw, HF, is that you're using flavor arguments for no apparent reason. There are SO MANY BETTER REASONS to be voting Reckamonic at this point.

Post 154: This is pretty rich coming from you who hasn't done a damn bit to advance the game.

Post 160: This was ridiculous, AGM.

Post 163: Look, I know you're a nice person and all, SC, but this is basically noise. Your noise to content ratio is TERRIBLE at this point. You don't have the luxury of making posts like these without SOME token effort of playing the game.

Post 165: Three points, and only one with a semblence of validity.

OK, seriously, Katsuki, you should have replaced out long ago. There's no excuse for only posting "I can't post right now" for THE ENTIRE GAME.

Post 170: See above, SC.

Post 180: See this post, Reckamonic? THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN POSTING ALL FUCKING GAME. See, the problem is, though, I can't take this as the great post it is. It feels like something I do to try to fix the colossal fuck ups from my predecessors when I replace into scum.

Holy shit guys, AKR posting content, give him a trophy too!

Post 197: This is really awkward. Why the switch LMP?

Post 204: This reads as a lot better compared to prior AGM contributions. The only issue I have is that he doesn't list UT as scum because he's "not posting". I don't see how this fixes anything.

My response to AGM vs. SC:

Anyway, ending the post here so that I don't make everything stupidly unreadable.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:47 pm

CONTINUING THE WALL!!!

Post 210: We all recall how utterly stupid this post was, right? It still is.

Post 218: Except if I had "showed why it was wrong", I'd have been granting it legitimacy it literally didn't have. You weren't right. You weren't even wrong It wasn't anything to respond to.

And the rest of the post lacks solid opinions

Post 229: GW, thank you for being sane. Though one missed point. LMP's predecessor posted no real content.

Post 233: How funny, I posted pretty much the same thing earlier. Not good, AKR.

Post 235: I'm not entirely sure what this adds.

Post 236: Why was LMP town at this point? What about the complete lack of content from Reckamonic?

Post 237: Not sure I understand the Mina points. Also, for the record, I'm in the Zang scum camp now.

PAGE 10 ANALYSIS!!!!

Zang, SC, and UT need to die. If any of those three are somehow town, LMP is the scum we're looking for. I don't see these reads changing, but I'll read on in case something dramatic happens.

======================================
Post 257: Zang, what didn't you like? What makes UT any different from you? This post is a bunch of [[citation needed]]

Post 259: Both true and untrue. It's the WAY they give a shit that matters.

HF, you really need to learn to not blatantly lie, since your voting reasons were COMPLETELY based in flavor.

AKR is beginning to behave better at this point.

Post 303: Why is Mari town? Why is LMP null? Why would you even disclaim that post. I thought it was good before. Hell, why is SC scum? You don't even MENTION him in that post except to round out your "suspects"

Not sure I'm seeing Mina's Mari hate, or her SC like.

Rest of it made sense.

OK, I tried to avoid quotes, but this was hilarious

UT wrote:I'm not in love with Mina's distancing from her own arguments here. Stand by your analysis or don't make them.

UT in post 303 wrote:I could, of course, be horribly wrong about all this.

Yeah. Yeah.

Otherwise, good points on LMP.

Also, while I'm quoting, "I still think Mariyta is town, but there's finally a chink in the town armor. " reads REALLY WEIRD. And scummy. Why are you looking for "chinks in town armor"?

Post 324: OK, seriously AGM. Why is every one of your suspects within the set of people that voted you?

Post 333: Good question Zang. I post the EXACT DAMN QUESTION to you. Why do you suspect who you do? What happened to LMP, Katsuki, and UT? Why is Mari accountable for cases and you aren't? Why are you such a terrible poster?

OK. I give up.

I'm going with

ZANG, STRANGERCOUG, AND LYNCHMEPLS

as my scumspects. UT is bad but doesn't make sense with some of those unless he's superbusser extraordinaire.

Unvote, Vote Zang

L-3, bitches.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:06 pm

That's the cliffs notes version of the early part of the game. I assure you the actual game made my head hurt a lot worse.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:11 pm

It's the way you phrased it, UT. Chinks in town armor looks like you want a reason to suspect someone because you don't like the idea of obv townies going around. It's a narrow line.

Also, I said that, not Mari.

Anyway, my votes and scum picks are based on the first 14 pages of this game. I literally can't read anymore without my brain dying. I MAY try to tackle more later, but I think I'll just leave it at that and modify my reads as the game goes on. To be fair, I ALSO don't remember anything happening that would change my reads by a whole lot.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:27 pm

Day one tends to say a lot about people's motivations. And let me put it this way. The three I named? They're so bad I'm not sure I COULD be convinced otherwise. You just...it's almost impossible to be that bad at being town.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:45 pm

Oh, fuck, right, I forgot about that! The neighbor thing with PM timing. Zang is so bad that I am willing to disregard that, honestly.

UncertainKitten · Sun Feb 13, 2011 6:47 pm

GI, if ANYONE in this town tries to outguess the mod on neighbors, I am SO going to be pissed. That'd be utterly dicktarded.

And you don't trust me, GI? That's nice to know.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say specifically what it was so you can decide though...

Just where do you stand on me, GI? That's never been particularly CLEAR, you see.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:14 am

@GI: Fine, understandable. To be honest, I think Zang just pissed me off the most of the three I named. I mean, LMP and SC to some degree fluctuate between being absolutely terrible and occasionally making a good post. I don't think Zang has made one good post all game (and certainly not by page 14).

UT seemed to at least somewhat stick to at least two of the three names in my list, regardless of how much of a revolving door his reads had. It seemed odd to me that he'd *randomly* implicate two out of three scumbuddies. If any of my reads flips town, I'm willing to revisit UT. Preferably with a hammer.

I'm also leery of the fact all my reads *also* being on the lower end of good players, at least in this game. I think at some point I'll need to consider Mari/GW/GI/Mina. To be honest though? Even if one of you four is scum, I don't want you dead yet. That's about how bad everyone else is to me at this time, to varying degrees.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:09 am

Oh, to clarify my stance on CD. I'm not sure what to think, to be honest. I've kinda removed him from my town/scum determination because the dayvig IS a convincing power, but I don't think I'll keep him so neutral as things go on. The thing is, I could probably make a case on him if I tried, and I'm not sure if it would indict him of being stupid or being scum, or both. I still don't think YOUR claim absolves him at all, GI. It's entirely possible ALL power roles in this game are formatted the same way, which would lead to my Dayvig precludes NK theory, though there are still problems with it, depending on if MoI separates active and factional abilities or not.

So, I basically just don't know.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:48 am

I love how your defense is that you know you're town. And no, we haven't clarified Zang is town. We've clarified that the moderator took a few minutes deciding whether the neighborhood was confirmed town or not.

You know, an LMP lynch is becoming a lot more attractive right now if that's the best he has.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:54 am

You know what my theory is? I don't like all this role bullshit, but we're so far in now, Zang might as well claim HIS fucking target.

I think GI brings up relevant points, relevant enough so that, while my suspicions of Zang are FAR from dispelled, I'm willing to fry a different fish.

Unvote, Vote LMP

Isn't his defense just ~*~amazing~*~? First he's all like "I know I'm town". GOOD JOB, WANT A TROPHY? Then he votes me because...I suspect him? Or is he trying to admit that earlier meta bullshit? Cause that'd be UTTERLY HILARIOUS!

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:09 am

Can you explain why, AGM? I mean, if you weren't posting in the QT, it DOES seem like it would follow that the scum would realize you were jailkept. It IS possible they had a brain fart (especially if Zang is on their team), but still, it's tough to swallow. What did Gray miss?

...did Gray actually say that? I didn't see anything about lying...

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:18 am

I'm missing a connection here Gray. Why is AGM scum if Zang is town? The way I see it AGM just got a little quick with his results. Secondly, not seeing why scum would care about a town RB target. Well, mostly. It doesn't seem to be worth it, more like. At best they find out if they were blocked by Zang or not. I don't see how this furthers the scum win con a whole lot?

Until more information is ferreted about the Zang/AGM thing, I'm happy with my LMP vote.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:59 am

Hey, LMP, what happened to lynching me?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:56 am

@GI: No, you should do your own fucking thinking because you're doing a decent job as far as I can tell. I would have missed AGM's inconsistencies.

Now then, why is AGM's list of 5 things shit? Zang IS a moron, and I could see the V/LA thing. I will, however note,

that it cannot be confirmed that AGM was targetted for nightkill

, so that part of the theory should be thrown out.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:40 pm

I like your theory a lot and second it, GI. It is the best theory proposed all game.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:02 pm

Actually, GI, can I second AGM's request? Either that or an outline of a third option?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:45 pm

Sudden switch? SUDDEN switch? Did you even BOTHER reading that fucking wall I posted for you alls benefit, Mari? It's not ALL OF A GOD DAMNED SUDDEN. He got in my suspect list once I noticed reck posted not one damn lick of content and LMP stopped posting content after his entry post.

If that's fucking "OMGUS in disguise", then fuck this game.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:47 pm

Also, Mari, got any other suspects you plan on voting? Or were you planning to not have a vote out on page FORTY SIX of this game?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:48 pm

...and I probably shouldn't have been so mean about it. Sorry. I've not had a good past 15 minutes. My dad is a raging fuckass and it's not doing much for my mood.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:51 pm

Wasn't at me, I'm just really sensitive to IRL emotions, and he came home in a huff. And his temper tantrums are worse than mine. I am actually quite amazed he didn't break his computer. Seriously, it is kinda TOXIC to hear things being smacked and hit.

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:58 pm

That said, I would like to know why you aren't parking your vote on a secondary suspect. I assume Zang wasn't your only scum pick?

UncertainKitten · Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:02 pm

I'm not entirely sure. But somehow my father does it. So, who do you suspect and why again, UT? Just refresh me.