Mini 1113 - Brotherhood of the Wolf Mafia

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.8 - As of Post 275

Zang (0) -
Untrod Tripod (2) - UncertainKitten, Mariyta
Mariyta (0) -
AlmasterGM (1) - StrangerCoug
Katsuki (1) - Untrod Tripod
LynchMePls (3) - Zang, CooLDoG, havingfitz
StrangerCoug (0) -
AKnottedRope (1) - LynchMePls
CoolDoG (3) - AKnottedRope, AlmasterGM, GhostWriter
UncertainKitten (0) -
Mina (0) -
havingfitz (0) -
GhostWriter (2) - Mina, Katsuki

Not Voting (0) - No one

The Current deadline in Februrary 7th at 9:00am EST. The Countdown can be found

HERE

With 13 alive - 7 are required to lynch and 5 are required to lynch at deadline.

Activity Check - Katsuki has until 9am 1/27 to post or be prodded.

[Mariyta]

Yeah, upon reading CD in ISO, I like him better for a lynch than UT at the moment.

UNVOTE: UT, VOTE: CooLDoG

[Katsuki]

So my life currently sucks in terms of sheer volume of stuff, and won't be active until after Friday. I've managed to somewhat catch up to page 10 though, and some thoughts:

- Not sure what to think of reck claim then RQ. That's not the reck I'm used to, though if they claim RL reasons, I'm not holding it against him. The whole sequence was odd though.

- As much as I want to blow his brains out, cooldog is probably town this game. Which makes me question reck-push on cooldog, despite Fate's mafia (and in all fairness, cooldog was screaming scum that game). I have never played with town-cooldog before, but his play is much different from all the other times I have played with him.

- Need to read AGM --> Reck RQ, and AGM/SC
- Need to look at reckamonic wagon, and re-read reck posting prior to rq.

Request to all: Please keep the walls down. Thanks.

Love, Kat~

[Katsuki]

In short, I didn't really get a chance to read anything in depth. Just mainly posted the things that stuck out to me.

[CooLDoG]

@ghost, when I say bad meta references I was referring to him referencing fates mafia. Still didn't answer to my vote question.

@mary, why am I better. opportunistic scum much?

@AGM, Case on me?

yes the case on reck is weak and I know that, but I like my lmp vote.

@lmp, yeah comment on me.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm unimpressed with the CoolDog wagon. With all due respect he seems like a complete and utter moron. But not necessarily moronic scum.

[GhostWriter]

@ghost, when I say bad meta references I was referring to him referencing fates mafia. Still didn't answer to my vote question.

try to imply that I, at any point, declared you scummier than who I was voting

[CooLDoG]

by attacking me with more zeal then the guy you were voting.

@UK, you are correct.

[GhostWriter]

by attacking me with more zeal then the guy you were voting.

At the time, I just wanted to verbally pressure you.

[Mariyta]

@mari, why am I better. opportunistic scum much?

Why, yes. Yes, you are.

[AlmasterGM]

Voting without giving a reason would be one.

Is that all? I want all the reasons on the table.

WIFOM, and in most games scumbuddies can't kill each other. So defending with crap.

Sure, but to be fair, your "offense" wasn't really an argument - it was just a random one-liner. So I decided to respond by being snark.

No, my case is not basically "you voted Reck." I disagree that the reasoning is scummy, and when I tried to get you to prove otherwise you basically start playing dodgeball instead of Mafia. Your WIFOM is also telling me you're flailing.

How am I playing dodgeball? I EXPLICITLY responded to your argument IMMEDIATELY after you made it.

Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people that a confirmed cop has a guilty on? Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people who lie in an anti-town matter?

NO. It's called lynching SCUM. I wasn't saying we lynch EVERYONE who replaces ALL THE TIME, I was saying, in that specific context, what xReck did was scummy because 1) he didn't give any explanation for the quit OTHER than rage and 2) I had seen him play through rage as town before.

So it's NOT A POLICY LYNCH. End of story. If you want to take this to MD afterwards I would love to. Now stop.

If you don't LIKE my reasoning, then fine, we can sit around and argue theory all day. Or we could just drop it. Whatever. But DON'T tell me I'm playing TEEHEE dodgeball when I'm not. The responses to your "case" (which is still terrible / non-existant) are clearly posted.

This is why you are scum. You keep accusing me of doing things I'm not (e.g., AGM is "policy lynching, AGM is "dodging questions," etc etc etc). You DEMAND a scum read on me, for some reason.

I'm unimpressed with the CoolDog wagon. With all due respect he seems like a complete and utter moron. But not necessarily moronic scum.

Well first, I disagree, but from your perspective, how is UT any different?

[Katsuki]

I'm unimpressed with the CoolDog wagon. With all due respect he seems like a complete and utter moron. But not necessarily moronic scum.

What do you think of the players on the CoolDog wagon?

[UncertainKitten]

Well, for one, UT seems to be invincible to wagoning. For two, he feels more like he's faking effort. I get SOME since of sincerity from CD, even if his efforts are crap. Also, rather magical how the CD wagon sprouted up in less than 24 hours. Well, so I thought. May not be an indicator of anything, but, well, we'll see who was right if he flips, ne?

@Katsuki: Haven't decided. I note that at least one of my scum picks is in that set~.

[AlmasterGM]

That comparison is vague and non-verifiable. I could say say the EXACT same thing reversed and there is no way you could prove otherwise.

More analysis, please.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh? And just how do you verify things in mafia? I've never found a way, surprisingly enough.

I'd LOVE to see how you support your vote for CoolDog, for instance.

I've already explained why UT is scum. If you can't accept it, too bad.

[AlmasterGM]

Too bad for you. Because last time I checked, you were the only one UT and everyone else was voting CooLDoG.

[AlmasterGM]

Also you can verify. If you post a LINK to one of CooLDoG's posts and say "This is genuine, here's why," that's verifiable because I can go look at it and say, "yeah, I agree." Whereas if you just say, "CooLDoG's genunue UT's not," then that's no better than my UNSUPPORTED COOLDOG VOTE THAT EVERYONE KEEPS BRINGING UP.

[AKnottedRope]

And you expect me to not bring up a scummy vote because...?

[Katsuki]

I'd love a brief explanation from all those voting cooldog as to why they think he's scum. It'll help keep me from falling behind.

[Mariyta]

Too bad for you. Because last time I checked, you were the only one UT and everyone else was voting CooLDoG.

Um, for the record, I still think UT is scum. I just think CD is scummier. So while UK may be the only one actually voting him, she's not the only one who thinks he's scumalicious.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I can't help it if you all are letting scum lead you like damned sheep to a townie lynch. Have fun being wrong, AGM.

(Well, actually, you're probably one of the scum involved. So go you, I guess?)

tl;dr

[AKnottedRope]

Oh, seems like I missed a post or two...

Is that all? I want all the reasons on the table.

Overreactions like this would be two. Also I'm laughing at the utter hypocracy here.

More analysis, please.

Here too.

AGM is now looking just as scummy as CD. I'd be fine with either lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

No, my case is not basically "you voted Reck." I disagree that the reasoning is scummy, and when I tried to get you to prove otherwise you basically start playing dodgeball instead of Mafia. Your WIFOM is also telling me you're flailing.

How am I playing dodgeball? I EXPLICITLY responded to your argument IMMEDIATELY after you made it.

Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people that a confirmed cop has a guilty on? Is it a policy lynch if we lynch people who lie in an anti-town matter?

NO. It's called lynching SCUM. I wasn't saying we lynch EVERYONE who replaces ALL THE TIME, I was saying, in that specific context, what xReck did was scummy because 1) he didn't give any explanation for the quit OTHER than rage and 2) I had seen him play through rage as town before.

So it's NOT A POLICY LYNCH. End of story. If you want to take this to MD afterwards I would love to. Now stop.

And I told you why this answer doesn't work for me, pretty much point by point:

• Nobody has claimed cop with a guilty on Reckamonic. Therefore, it makes no sense to bring into question whether it's a policy lynch to go after somebody on which a cop claimed a guilty.
  
• While it's implied that you think Reckamonic's miller claim is fake when you vote him, you never directly address it, which needlessly throws me for a loop.
  
• Metaing a good player doesn't work. You claim that something you usually see in his town play is absent, so he's scum. As most people try to play to their town meta regardless of alignment, I wanted you to supply a scum motivation for his actions.

If you don't LIKE my reasoning, then fine, we can sit around and argue theory all day. Or we could just drop it. Whatever. But DON'T tell me I'm playing TEEHEE dodgeball when I'm not. The responses to your "case" (which is still terrible / non-existant) are clearly posted.

If you do not want me to accuse you of playing dodgeball, then give straight answers to my questions. Your response to the scum motive of Reckamonic's actions is that he had this façade that gave out when he ragequit. When I asked what he was hiding with it, you told me that he was hiding the fact that he was scum and that scum give a damn. Now, granted, I

DID

accept the "scum give a damn" part, but I feel that there should be more to it than that.

I'd love a brief explanation from all those voting cooldog as to why they think he's scum. It'll help keep me from falling behind.

I support his wagon and wouldn't mind switching under deadline pressure, so I'll have my say in the matter: The same meta crap as AlmasterGM.

[Mariyta]

I'd love a brief explanation from all those voting cooldog as to why they think he's scum. It'll help keep me from falling behind.

Missed this til SC pointed it out. My reasons for switching from UT to him were a) the meta argument that's been pointed out. I don't like meta much anyway, and voting someone for quitting when their life is falling apart outside the game is not cool; b) I believe Reck's claim and I think CD's vote on him was a lame attempt to wagon an easy target. When Reck posted, he/she/it/they didn't appear to be paying much attention and the claim seems legit; c) he posts a lot, but really provides nothing to the game in said posts.

[StrangerCoug]

Since I'm comparing CooLDoG to AlmasterGM, I'd like the latter and GhostWriter to give opinions about each other. (GhostWriter is the person I see as pushing CooLDoG the most, which is why I picked him.)