Mini 852- Crayola Catastrophe Game Over (Post 1158)

ChiboSempai · Post Post #16 (isolation #0) » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:27 pm

I'm not trying to read yellow on white this whole game.

Vote: GreenDude

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ChiboSempai · Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:28 pm

way to go me for messing up a bold tag lol

ChiboSempai · Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:29 pm

I had bold on the mind and tried to end a color tag with a bold tag -_-

ChiboSempai · Post Post #22 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:04 pm

I realized it after i had read my post lol

Unvote

ChiboSempai · Post Post #79 (isolation #4) » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:25 pm

Vote: Chamber

until he can explain his posts at least. actions need a reason

ChiboSempai · Post Post #113 (isolation #5) » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:45 pm

Who is to say that everything from Chamber is gone? If he acted what we thought was scummy meaning he was mafia, then whoever replaces him would have the same role and be mafia as well. I'm gonna keep my vote for the time being and see how it plays out.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #119 (isolation #6) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:23 am

I don't even like the whole ~I don't like situation I'm replacing out~ kind of ordeal anyway. If the role is scum, then keeping some votes on as a pressure would do good I think. Imagine if you were the replacement's shoes, your told the game has already been going on for a handful of pages, your mafia, and you've got votes on you already. How do you work your way out of it? They would have to do something if they want to convince us otherwise and want to win the game.

Instead of giving the new player the benefit of the doubt (esp since the role is the same), I'm going to look to the new player to prove that they aren't scum to us instead of looking for reasons in the new player to believe again that they are scum.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #177 (isolation #7) » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:04 pm

When I scrolled back through the posts and saw ~20 points all from zazier, I did one hell of a facepalm. I was ready to keep my vote on and start bitching lol

However after reading through all of them, they are legitimate comments imo about all of the posts hes missed as he replaced in late.

ZazieR wrote:
Post 22 – For clarification, what was your reason to unvote,
Chibo
?

I was unvoting my RVS sort of as a joke since after the first time I posted in the game I realized how hard it was to read my cyan posts as well, and I had RVS voted him solely based on color and it being hard to read.

I really don't like how SoG instantly voted zazier when he found out he was replacing chamber by referencing past games. i mean sure it has happened plenty of times, but we need to be voting mafia members out here, and such a hasty vote (hasty as in the reason he did it as in just seeing him post for the first time) really has no base.

Josh Lyman wrote:
I agree. Posting "reminders" to yourself in a public thread seems ..... I don't know, less than Town. Surely you have the means to keep notes to yourself on your own computer, or perhaps a piece of paper, or maybe scrawling in crayons on the wall.... It just seems to be shitting up the thread for no apparent reason.

Yes, I see that there is an alternative to it as well (self notes), but what exactly makes having them be public make someone "less than town?"

Zazier at this point as at least earned my benefit of the doubt.

Unvote ZazieR

FoS: SoG

ChiboSempai · Post Post #180 (isolation #8) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:05 am

semioldguy wrote:
Why only an FoS ChiboSempai?

FoS:
ChiboSempai

The only time I like to see FoS'es are when your vote is already somewhere else that you like better or in special circumstances such as LyLo or at an L-1 wagon, etc. Neither of those apply to your FoS on me and I've caught scum this way before. I think you are afraid to look OMGUS-y from my suspicion and vote on you early in the game because you might be scum.

This makes no sense. I'm just not throwing my votes around. No need to pressure. I'm not ready to vote you yet, not enough evidence. I'm just formally letting you know that I'm keeping an eye on you now. Nothing out of the ordinary.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #181 (isolation #9) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:06 am

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lol

ChiboSempai · Post Post #205 (isolation #10) » Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:11 pm

I had a vote up until recently, it's just that I'm not sure who I wish to vote next

ChiboSempai · Post Post #240 (isolation #11) » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:20 pm

Nachomamma8 wrote:
Unvote: SnowBunny

Chibo, why did you seem so ready to vote purely for Chamber's replacement? It seemed to me like you were trying to use the momentum of the bandwagon against him to carry the lynch to his replacement... If this isn't true, what pro-town motives did you have for viewing an "guilty until proven innocent" playstyle? How does that help the town at all?

I didn't want to just vote the replacement -_-

As many others did as well, I picked up the big scumtell (we all thought) from Chamber not explaining his reasoning behind anything, etc - which is why I had voted him. Then we all heard that he was going to be replaced. This prompted many people to remove their vote and wait to see the replacement. My outlook however on the topic was different, I kept the vote on despite the replacement. I suspected Chamber of being scum, and if he was scum, then his replacement, who would be taking the exact same role, would also be scum. No need to change the vote. So instead of taking the route everyone else took in waiting to vote for them until another scumtell, I kept the vote on until the replacement could prove to me that they weren't scum, which eventually happened (for now at least).

I'm not sure what to do about this SoG case. I've felt iffy on him at times throughout the game, but nothing really big enough to warrant a lynch - which is why I've been wondering myself as well why a lot of people are voting for him. Most people in the game seem to be neutralish so it's tough to get reads, but SoG's posts have been a bit brash, which is likely what's attracting attention. I'm just not sure if that's proper reason to lynch him. Unless anyone can specifically point out what they saw was scummy enough in him to warrant a vote (I'd prefer only people that are currently voting for him answer this), as I'd like to see the perspective of the voters.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #255 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:13 am

which post # did SoG vote for zazie?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #298 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:00 am

Sorry, I have been sick the past couple days, just caught up.

So SoG is at L-1?

Tell me SoG, what is your reasoning for voting Pomegranate? Make it a good one.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #301 (isolation #14) » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:56 am

I've read the thread, I know what's going on, but I want to hear in one concise post your specific reasoning for that vote, especially since the only reasoning next to your vote post is that you want a different wagon to start.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #302 (isolation #15) » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:58 am

Snow Bunny, you need to unvote before you vote for SoG for that vote to count and him be at L-1.

I just re-read some more to make sure I didn't miss anything, and SoG you wouldn't explain the reasoning for another wagon as well when Zazier asked you last page. Reasoning please.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #307 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:30 pm

SoG I think you're trying too hard to push for a wagon on someone else. I don't think thats deserving tbh.

Vote: semioldguy

ChiboSempai · Post Post #319 (isolation #17) » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:54 pm

I don't feel it changes anything. SoG wasn't town either way which means to Snow_Bunny for all she knew he was town seeing that she would have known he wasn't mafia (considering shes mafia and knows the other mafia members).

The whole line of voting for her really didn't sitwell with me. I know I was one of the ending votes, but I didn't hammer for a purpose and wanted to see how she would handle the pressure having a chance from a normal vote to be turned to a hammer, and she jumped right to the occasion not thinking about it.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #320 (isolation #18) » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:54 pm

Ok I haven't posted here in a while and completely forgot the color tags lol

ChiboSempai · Post Post #322 (isolation #19) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:39 am

Before anything, Shanba can you please not type in all bold, even if it is a little easier to read. It makes it harder for people to scan and find votes, even if you put bold tags around it, though it comes out as text since your already in bold.

I already explained my vote on SoG. It was to put pressure on Snow_Bunny. I wanted to see if her reasoning for thinking SoG was legit. People vote differently when it's a vote (especially putting them at L-1) and hammering them. I almost wanted to see if she had the guts, believed in her reasoning enough, and would debate about it more before she hammered.

Her hammer post was well... Interesting. I don't like how it turned out. Besides the fact she missed color (which almost everyone has done at some point or other) but it seems to hint at rushing to get that hammer in before someone unvotes. She posted 3 minutes later trying to explain how it was technically me who hammered him also claiming that she didn't realized she hammered him at first, but that's not gonna fly. If she had actually thought about what was going on and read the ~1 page of posts between her two votes, she would know whats going on, and there would also be no need for two posts, the first being rushed imo, which had to be in even 3 minutes before her explanation.

Same policy as the Zazier replacement though, I'm not just gonna let a replacement clear all doubts. If Snow_Bunny acts scummy, with the chance she's scum (her being my #1 suspect right now), then her replacement is scum as well, being Shanba. Shanba is going to have to prove that he's not scum, instead of the opposite (finding reasons to think he's scum) like other players after my scum read on Snow_Bunny.

Vote: Shanba

Zazier seems to be one of the best players here at analyzing the situations and all of the players. What's your take on Snow_Bunny/Shanba concerning Bunnie's fake (accidental) vote on SoG, and her hammering post, and Shanba's reasoning for voting me?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #328 (isolation #20) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:27 am

Yea SOG did play Jester pretty damn well lol.

But all seriousness aside, I'm not buying these posts from Shanba.

I like how he tried to even call Snow_Bunny scummy but claims it's not a problem since he knows the hammer didn't come from a scum player. Since you're declaring yourself as a townie here, mind telling us which one?
It's too convenient to play the whole replacement excuse trying to push all of scum reads on the person he replaced onto that person, and not on the role they shared. If Snow_Bunny acted scummy (which I think we can agree overall it was a horrendously scummy move), it was because the role Snow_Bunny was playing was a scum role, not because Snow_Bunny was a scummy player. And the scum role gets passed onto the replacement, Shanba.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #332 (isolation #21) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:27 am

elvis_knits wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
Since you're declaring yourself as a townie here, mind telling us which one?

People don't claim unless they're about to be lynched. Asking him to is scummy. Even if I do think Shanba's scummy, this is wrong.

Congratulations, you have now made me think maybe Shanba is town
.

I realize people generally wouldn't roleclaim until a situation which they are about to be lynched, which is why I asked. He had said that he knew Snow_Bunny wasn't scum (which in turn means that he's saying he's not scum which is the only way he would know). It's no different than someone being accused of scum actions yelling out "But I'm town!" So either I wanted to hear him elaborate on the issue, or refuse to even answer - which tbh would be acceptable considering he doesn't have a lot of votes atm. Also if he did answer what it would be would be interesting. There's a lot of answers that could have come from it.

I still just don't like how hes writing off all of Snow_Bunny's scummy actions on Snow_Bunny and not on the role, which is where it should be. He's attempting to clear suspicion by the substitution, not by finding valid reasons why him and his role aren't scummy.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #349 (isolation #22) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:16 am

Shanba, you're big post is practically trying to tell people how to play the game, or an analysis on common styles trying to metagame people in a general fashion. Your posts are so overly analytical for no apparent reason imo. That whole giant post was practically just a response to someone's opinion on a tie between two players shouldn't be seen as scummy right? Everyone's entitled to their own opinions and playstyles but it seems that everytime there is any more suspicion or disagreement with your posts you write even longer, more intricate posts it almost seems like your just trying to confuse people and get people thinking about other topics.

After reading that long post I almost forget why I even voted you. All I was thinking was trying to dissect your post and almost starting a side discussion about it, but this isn't the time nor place to do so. Elvis is also right that it's essentially a WIFOM situation.

Shanba wrote:
And everyone else is either riding EK's coattails or referencing the hammer. I'd like everyone to have more suspicions than just me even if I do get lynched today, so that there's some room for some actual analysis. Top 2 scummiest players please, everyone.

Since you're suggesting most of us find you scummy, from a townie point of view, who is the other person you believe we should find most suspicious (if you can only pick one)?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #352 (isolation #23) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:56 pm

It's quite simple. Look at Snow_Bunnys posts and actions first. Do they seem scummy? Yes.

Now Shanba comes in replacing her and has to rid this suspicion on him (since it seems most people were discontent especially with her hammer) and he's doing a very poor job of it imo, only proving my suspicions thus further.

While deciding who to vote in D1, we don't have much to go off of, nothing has really happened yet. Move forward to D2 however, and we have the voting procedure leading to the lynching of SoG from D1, the night kill, and the morning reactions. All of these things together point directly at Shanba.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #355 (isolation #24) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:28 pm

EBWOP

Elaborating on this part further from my last post:

"Now Shanba comes in replacing her and has to rid this suspicion on him (since it seems most people were discontent especially with her hammer) and he's doing a very poor job of it imo, only proving my suspicions thus further. "

Not only is he not doing the best job of ridding the suspicion imo, but it feels that he is actively trying hard to rid this suspicion and push it onto others, why would he make this such a priority? By just being a legit town player, everyone else should be able to pick up on this and worry about a possibly mislynch. However, he has to actively fix his reputation for a reason... why? Because he's scum.

I just re-read some more of his posts and found some even more things to be worrisome about... In Shanba's first post, right off the bat (though it is a catch-up post, but still...) he mentions suspicion on 5 different players. Then, when looking at all of his posts, especially considering he mentions how it is scummy to have connections with any other players, he strictly does not mention who he thinks ISN'T scum in any of his posts, and instead only mentions who he is suspicious of. This could easily just be his playstyle which is completely legitimate imo, but with how much he went into detailing the situations for covering other players, I get the feeling that he wants to drill the idea of no connections being a pro-town movement into everyone's minds then act specifically that way so everyone naturally believes he is town.

The more I read into his posts, even without that many (though you can continue from the damage Snow_Bunny did), I would be down right shocked if Shanba didn't flip Mafia if lynched.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #357 (isolation #25) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:40 pm

Can we get a vote count a la mod? lol

ChiboSempai · Post Post #386 (isolation #26) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:28 am

ZazieR wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
I've read the thread, I know what's going on, but I want to hear in one concise post your specific reasoning for that vote, especially since the only reasoning next to your vote post is that you want a different wagon to start.

Did you see Post 287?

While it is a legit post and reason, I don't remember if I saw that post or not. I don't remember exactly what I was thinking back then. Ask questions about my posts a lil closer to after I post them, not days later lol. However sometimes I like to ask questions that might have already been answered to make sure the reasons stay consistent. For people trying to create reasons on the spot when asked, they might slip up and say something different. If there is a legitimate read on a person, then the reasoning should stay consistant.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #387 (isolation #27) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:29 am

EBWOP

However it was true that next to his post all he said was that he wanted a different wagon to start, which I didn't really get.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #388 (isolation #28) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:31 am

ZazieR wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
Sorry, I have been sick the past couple days, just caught up.

So SoG is at L-1?

Tell me SoG, what is your reasoning for voting Pomegranate? Make it a good one.

This was all you had to ask after your read?
Before the last few posts of the day, you were wondering why so many players were voting SoG. The reasons got stated, and you don't address them. You only ask SoG for the Pome vote. Why didn't you give a comment about the SoG case(s)?

I either agreed or were simply content with what I had read. I don't need to comment on every single thing. I also wanted to be careful with my questioning at that point since SoG was at L-1, taking things a step at a time. It just so happens that question was the first on my mind.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #389 (isolation #29) » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:33 am

ZazieR wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
SoG I think you're trying too hard to push for a wagon on someone else. I don't think thats deserving tbh.

Vote: semioldguy

Please elaborate on the reason.

Partially from his response to what I mentioned in this post, part from the reading I caught up on as mentioned in the last post, and also to put pressure on Snow_Bunny, the plan that I already explained earlier. I wanted to see how she would react with the potential power to hammer. She fell right into my trap. It's SUCH an obvious read.

I GUARANTEE you that Snow_Bunny/Shanba is scum

ChiboSempai · Post Post #391 (isolation #30) » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:31 am

The reads were dead obvious and he isn't doing the best job of covering them up imo

ChiboSempai · Post Post #397 (isolation #31) » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:54 am

Nachomamma8 wrote:

So you would recommend to the town to lynch you immediately if Shanba turns up pro-town, right? If not, why not. Being that confident in scum or not-scum suggests something more than just a vanilla townie.

Gotta trust in how you play the game right? Sure, I'm game. Go for it. I'm just a vanilla townie but I'm confident that I've nailed a scum player here.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #406 (isolation #32) » Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:48 am

Mod, mind if we get a vote count?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #422 (isolation #33) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:17 am

ZazieR wrote:
If correct, everybody has posted after the lynch. So I'm curious:
How come nobody asked what a jester is and how it already won?

This question should be answered in this queue:
First - Chibo and Nacho
Second - GD and Kirby
Third - Pome, Socio and Budja.

Doesn't matter when you answer, as long as the those mentioned before your group answered before your group.

Why would I ask what a Jester is? lol

Besides the fact that there is a wiki, I've played in games before with a Jester. Even though my join date is very new here (and I'm still somewhat new to mafia in general) I played couple games on Smash World Forums for the month before I signed up here, and I play AIM Mafia (despite being very different) a lot so I've still encountered plenty of different roles in games. In fact, there was a Jester in the very first game I played (in a closed setup) and I was the first to suspect the person of it, being correct on my assumption. It just honestly never occurred to me that SoG could be a jester.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #425 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:25 am

ZazieR wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
I don't feel it changes anything. SoG wasn't town either way which means to Snow_Bunny for all she knew he was town seeing that she would have known he wasn't mafia (considering shes mafia and knows the other mafia members).

The whole line of voting for her really didn't sitwell with me. I know I was one of the ending votes, but I didn't hammer for a purpose and wanted to see how she would handle the pressure having a chance from a normal vote to be turned to a hammer, and she jumped right to the occasion not thinking about it.

Why did you answer a question that wasn't aimed at you?
Would you have hammered him?
Is this the main reason you think Shanba is scum?

It was a good point brought up, and offered my view on it as well. Also considering it was my first post of the day, so I had input on the hammering and such anyway.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #436 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:38 am

ZazieR wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
Before anything, Shanba can you please not type in all bold, even if it is a little easier to read. It makes it harder for people to scan and find votes, even if you put bold tags around it, though it comes out as text since your already in bold.

I already explained my vote on SoG. It was to put pressure on Snow_Bunny. I wanted to see if her reasoning for thinking SoG was legit. People vote differently when it's a vote (especially putting them at L-1) and hammering them. I almost wanted to see if she had the guts, believed in her reasoning enough, and would debate about it more before she hammered.

Her hammer post was well... Interesting. I don't like how it turned out. Besides the fact she missed color (which almost everyone has done at some point or other) but it seems to hint at rushing to get that hammer in before someone unvotes. She posted 3 minutes later trying to explain how it was technically me who hammered him also claiming that she didn't realized she hammered him at first, but that's not gonna fly. If she had actually thought about what was going on and read the ~1 page of posts between her two votes, she would know whats going on, and there would also be no need for two posts, the first being rushed imo, which had to be in even 3 minutes before her explanation.

Same policy as the Zazier replacement though, I'm not just gonna let a replacement clear all doubts. If Snow_Bunny acts scummy, with the chance she's scum (her being my #1 suspect right now), then her replacement is scum as well, being Shanba. Shanba is going to have to prove that he's not scum, instead of the opposite (finding reasons to think he's scum) like other players after my scum read on Snow_Bunny.

Vote: Shanba

Zazier seems to be one of the best players here at analyzing the situations and all of the players. What's your take on Snow_Bunny/Shanba concerning Bunnie's fake (accidental) vote on SoG, and her hammering post, and Shanba's reasoning for voting me?

First of all, why didn't you point out these things regarding SB in your first post of the day? You did state that you thought it was scummy, but not this detailed.
Secondly, I don't think you ever addressed SB's reasons for voting SoG. How come and what did you think of them?

At this moment, I'm leaning town on Shanba (Previously SB). Shanba has good accusations and I can see a reason why SB's hammer vote can be explained. Leaving my previous accusations, but compared to arguments against others, she looks better than most of them.
Also, I can see where Shanba is coming from against you as the reason for your vote is weak with reasons explained.

Shanba didn't even introduce himself yet, and I was curious to see what he was going to say first. Also, I don't have to put every single one of my thoughts all into one giant post at a time, sometimes I split them up into a couple posts to focus on certain ideas or topics. My vote doesn't seem to be weak with people agreeing with me. I don't think Shanba's explanations have been that good imo.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #439 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:43 am

ZazieR wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
Yea SOG did play Jester pretty damn well lol.

But all seriousness aside, I'm not buying these posts from Shanba.

I like how he tried to even call Snow_Bunny scummy but claims it's not a problem since he knows the hammer didn't come from a scum player. Since you're declaring yourself as a townie here, mind telling us which one?
It's too convenient to play the whole replacement excuse trying to push all of scum reads on the person he replaced onto that person, and not on the role they shared.
If Snow_Bunny acted scummy (which I think we can agree overall it was a horrendously scummy move), it was because the role Snow_Bunny was playing was a scum role, not because Snow_Bunny was a scummy player.
And the scum role gets passed onto the replacement, Shanba.

Rolefishing.
Also, how did you come to that conclusion? (see the bolded)

He started it by saying he was town. It's simple for any mafia member to just say "oh hey look I'm town." What he said had no base and could be explained further, or he could choose not to explain it further if he pleases. People don't have to answer every question. Sometimes not answering a question can give the questioner the response he/she wanted.

The bolded part is essentially the same as my logic behind the last replacement in the game, when you joined. If someone acts like scum then replaces, the person that comes in is still scum. We all know the scummy read from SB, but we have to ask ourselves, do you think she would have acted in such a way (the quick rush hammer) if she was not scum? No. She definitely would have not. It was such a huge slipup that it dead obvious. So now, if we determine that Snow Bunny was scum, then no matter how Shanba acts, Shanba is still scum regardless since he replaced SB. Besides the fact, I don't thin Shanba's posts/style for ridding this accusation have been very town-like.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #441 (isolation #37) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:47 am

ZazieR wrote:
SocioPath wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:
Pomegranate wrote:
I agree with EK in that this was not necessary, and also a bit scummy, but I don't like her last sentence. Why do you think this, EK?

I don't think shanba is obvtown or anything. But the fact that chibo seems to be rolefishing hard makes me think shanba
may
be town. You know, that he's the victim of rolefishing-scum-chibo.

Perhaps Chobo is too new to know otherwise.

Seems this isn't the case as he just pointed out he has played before. Thoughts about his rolefishing?

I've been in other games, but not for long enough for any of those games to finish. Actually the first game I ever joined is at Day 3 atm and has been going on for a bit. I was just night killed the first night. I can find the specific date of the first time I posted in any mafia game for you if you would like. I'm not trying to play the unexperienced card (as I have not said it as an excuse one, but other people have), however I'm not going to deny it. Yes, I am still very new at mafia. If you all however believe that certain things I'm doing could be scumtells but write it off from me being new, maybe it's not how you guys play the game, but I think you're reaching too far into the situation. So I've found the legitimate scum tells on somewhat. Choose to believe me or not. I'm just saying however, that if you wish to catch a scum based on all the knowledge we have at the moment, Shanba is our number 1 suspect imo.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #444 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:54 am

ZazieR wrote:
ChiboSempai wrote:
While deciding who to vote in D1, we don't have much to go off of, nothing has really happened yet. Move forward to D2 however, and we have the voting procedure leading to the lynching of SoG from D1, the night kill, and the morning reactions. All of these things together point directly at Shanba.

How are all these pointing towards Shanba?

Sorry, I believe I got my words mixed up. The night kill doesn't point directly at Shanba. In fact, I'm really not even sure if Shanba had a say in the night kill. I don't know if Shanba technically replaced SB before or after Night 1 occurred, so I don't know if he had time to discuss with other scum about who to kill that night or if Snow Bunny was still the one to partake in the discussion at the time.

However in terms of the SoG lynch, that's obvious, we all know the SB ordeal. As for the morning reactions, I more mean all of the Shanba posts (since that's when he started) and he essentially had to try and rid the suspicion on him that SB attracted.

The reason I said the nightkill at first is because I was referring to the things that we have to look at now in Day 2 compared to Day 1. Can anyone get any reads from the nightkill?

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In the future Zazier, please try to keep more up to date in the game please. I really don't like being questioned in depths about posts I made days ago especially since we've moved onto different topics now. I can't remember exactly what I was thinking about at the time, and I might miss some things in explainations now. You will get much better replies from me if you question my posts after I made them, not multiple days after I make them. For all I know I might have had a connection from the nightkill to Shanba but I honestly don't remember now.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #445 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:57 am

ZazieR wrote:
Ah Chibo, if you are still here, mind answering if you'd have hammered SoG and why?

I would not have hammered SoG. I knew what people had thought about him and was suspicious of some things, but nothing enough for a flat out guaranteed scum read, which I like to wait for if possible (though that is hard to get in Day 1). Instead, I saw the opportunity to put Snow Bunny in the spotlight for the lynch, seeing if she would quickly take it without further discussion, even after having a "second chance" after messing up her first vote, and she fell right into my trap. I would personally have hated to vote the Jester, I'm against it as I play for a sole win, not sharing it with anyone else, which is how I feel everyone should play, for their team to be the ones to win. I honestly did not have any idea that SoG was a Jester though.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #446 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:59 am

Also lol, I'm always here. I'm so bored throughout the day, especially at work and such. I literally check mafiascum for new posts in my games like at least 20 times a day.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #451 (isolation #41) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:12 am

Zazier, why exactly do you believe Shanba isn't scum? Do you think his reasonings (posts) this day are just legitimately good?

Even though all mafia gained from the SoG lynch (besides them voting for someone they knew wasn't another mafia member and potentially town) was more time. SB joined not too long ago (1 month, 4 days ago) and I would think it's a very common noob scum tactic to instantly hammer whoever is not scum when the opportunity arises. Perhaps it was her first time in a scum role?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #465 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:10 am

Read through all of Shanba's posts today and ask yourself is he:
1)Is legitimately posting like he is town and trying to fix his reputation from SB
2)Is mafia trying to do nothing but appear as town to people (such as purposely saying the things Elvis Knits just pointed out)
3)Still has a mafia vibe despite what he's said this day

He's trying to do whatever he can to clear suspicion on himself. The majority of his posts so far have been based on how he is not scum or locked into a dispute with me at times having suspicions on me for the load of attention I'm adding to his cause.

In the incredibly unlikely chance that Shanba flips town, what situation does that put us at? It wouldn't be too bad to be honest considering we're only down one townie at this point. Hell, a lot of games end up being down 3 townies Day 2 from a Day 1 mislynch, mafia kill and another kill source night 1. We're still fine. However, it doesn't even matter because that's not the case, he is going to flip scum, trust me. And if we can nail a scum this early, the advantage this puts us at is huge.
Trust me that he will flip scum, I'm surprised you guys don't see these scumtells the same way I do. The only reason for this paragraph was to show you that it's still statistically a good choice to lynch Shanba, considering the pros outweigh the cons.
Trust me, I already said I would put my reputation and life at stake.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #467 (isolation #43) » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:32 am

I have no freicken idea why Shanba is trying to buddy me -_-

I don't cosign that!

ChiboSempai · Post Post #487 (isolation #44) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 6:25 am

I really don't understand this... You're ready to vote Budja, then he says he's going to replace out and you don't anymore? What does that have to do about the scumtells and his role in question?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #498 (isolation #45) » Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:02 pm

Pomegranate wrote:
I seriously forgot.

If you seriously forgot and were gonna vote him anyway, how does him replacing change anything!!?? He's still the same role.

I really do not understand why people do this.

I suppose it worked for Snow_Bunny. She was scum and wanted to opt out asap, and people started questioning if the replacement Shanba was scum. Of course Shanba would still be scum then! Shanba's role = Snow_Bunny's role.

If you thought Budja = scum, then you think his replacement = scum.
Not to mention he's not even technically replaced yet!

ChiboSempai · Post Post #525 (isolation #46) » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:01 pm

Sorry I've been a lil inactive lately, catching up soon. Was at the VGXPO all weekend and the place I stayed at had no internet which I wasn't expecting.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #529 (isolation #47) » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:51 am

For the people believe I'm just playing n00bishly, whether it's true or not (that's not really something I can have an opinion on), then are the legit reads on Snow_Bunny and Shanba just fake then, something that I've conjured up in my mind? Other people have voted him as well, so I can't be the only one to think that exactly. Or are the slip ups so dead obvious that even a n00b could pick them up?

Another question related to it... If Snow_Bunny had not replaced, would you (whoever is reading this) continue to sort of go after her? No one really seemed to like the quick lynch on D1.

It almost just seems like this day is going on for so long and since most of the case on SB/Shanba was so early on (from the end of D1 to the first few real life days of D2) that people are probably starting to forget about it, but when scum slips up and leaves reads, it has to be acted on. If you just wait long enough they don't magically become not scum anymore LOL.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #531 (isolation #48) » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:04 am

It really doesn't make sense that she would replace out if she wasn't scum. The truth generally comes out in the end. If she wasn't scum, then she could have given us legitimate reasons for why she quick lynched SoG, her thoughts behind it, and that's that. The nature of her lynch though - (very quick post making sure no one unvoted before it since it didn't have color etc, trying to pin the blame on me for hammering him, and replacing out) all makes me believe she was scum. There is no other logical explanation behind it that I can think of. Even with everything that's happened today, what happened with Snow Bunny still sticks out to me by far as the most legit scumtell in this game yet, and one of the biggest slip ups I've seen in any game I've played lol.

Why would people exactly replace out if they are scum and found out? Worried about a win record? Not wanting to play a game they are about to lose? I just can't see anyone quitting asap if they were town and suspected as scum, it happens. Scum suspected as scum however...

Also, Shanba hasn't exactly done the best to fix the reputation since the beginning imo...

Shanba wrote:That wasn't a defence. I want to hear your logic here, because this is a really odd idea.

As is sociopath's; though I have to admit some irony there.
I've said almost the exact same thing in a game where I was town
(I think it was Rishi's election mafia, but I'm not sure). But I'm not going to push a case on him because I don't think he's scum and I believe doing so could be misleading.

Possible slip up? I really don't like Shanba's wording here. Surely it could be nothing, saying there was a time where he said something similar when he was town, but his wording seems to suggest that "in a game where he was town" compared to this game, where perhaps he's not town? Something to think about.

Besides that since the beginning, I feel a lot of his posts are more aimed towards me and trying to get me targeted (makes it seem like a OMGUS situation). Looking through posts again I also notice that Shanba has stayed relatively quiet at times when a lot of other discussion was going on, just lying low. If there is enough discussion about other people, then they might forget about Shanba, being the point I brought up in my last post about this day being long enough that people might be forgetting about the Shanba case.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #539 (isolation #49) » Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:56 pm

I really don't see what is wrong with traps. Scum can essentially disguise themselves as town just as well as anyone else, so we have to use various tactics to sort of catch the scum. While the situation was a bit brash, I'd like to say that it did work at least. And if Shanba/SB did end up being scum, then you would see that the motivation behind doing it was not being scum.

If SB was any sort of knowledgeable town member at all, she would not have quick lynched in the situation she was in. Definitely not. The only logical explanation behind her hammer was being scum, think about it. A townie would take a hammer more seriously in making sure they weren't killing off one of their own kind, would read all posts leading up to said hammer, would make sure it was done right (first time wasn't bolded iirc and second time had no color, the posts were very rushed), and would not try to pin the blame of a scummy action on someone else. If she was town and had a legit reason for hammering SoG, there would be no need for her posts like "well Chibo technically hammered him," or something like that. Scum on the other hand, found a quick way to guarantee lynch someone that was not on their side, and Snow Bunny took advantage of it.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #550 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:09 am

Kirbyoshi wrote:
Wow, never thought I'd say this, but because of the above post, Shanba's actually starting to look more pro-town. He still has yet to explain away Snow's blunder(s), but on the 545, he basically took the words right out of my mouth, and spat them out a different color Still waiting on Yankee though...with a name like that, he's gonna have to do alot to prove himself town (kidding).

Remember that someone with a lot of suspicion cast on them has no choice but to carefully act as pro town as possible. Surely everyone is here to act pro town and not have suspicion, but it seems kind of odd that his post came off to you as exactly what you would expect a townie to say (since you said it's the same as you were about to say) when instead of looking at all of his posts in general and making that assumption. I suppose he's doing a good job then of attempting to rid the suspicion on him.

However... Does that last post take away all of the scummy actions of SB? Does that post take away any doubt that was on him earlier in the game? Remember that he's forced to play 100% like a townie (or he will get lynched) at this point, and him or SB might not have been so careful earlier hence the slip ups. You can't erase the past posts by them...

ChiboSempai · Post Post #553 (isolation #51) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:00 am

Find me a better candidate of who is scum from what we've learned so far.

Shanba is by far most likely to be scum.

Technically no one is ever 100% sure about who is scum or not, but that is why we spend time discussing each day to try and find out who is scum, and Shanba by far still stands out at the top of the list.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #556 (isolation #52) » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:55 am

Obviously someone who has suspicion on them from strong tells (from Snow Bunny) is going to have to go out of their way to say specific things that could be a town tell. To me at least, a slip up is a slip up.

If SB had not replaced, would you vote SB now?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #574 (isolation #53) » Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:16 pm

elvis_knits wrote:
I am not voting shanba.

I decided.

Reasoning please?

Also, don't people realize what is going on? The extreme analysis is more of a scumtell than anything to me. Fact, it is generally considered to be a towntell if you analyze a lot trying to really rule out the scum.

Fact, Shanba needs to appear as town as possible to get this suspicion off of him (ESPECIALLY if hes scum). So would a regular townie go all out in such an insanely long post like that? I really don't think so. I feel it was almost forced that he had to do something like that, almost like he's trying to act so town to convince people otherwise. It's a great thing to analyze things as they happen, find out what's going on, decipher actions, etc. But I almost feel like part of this is for the shock value of seeing so much. It doesn't change anything for me.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #658 (isolation #54) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:40 am

Nachomamma8 wrote:I want him to die because he's too confident to be scum.

Fix your wording there, as you pretty much said you don't think I'm scum, and you voted me lol. You say that I'm acting so confident that I'm not scum.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #679 (isolation #55) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:52 pm

Kirbyoshi, considering most people agree at this point (esp since we're so close to the deadline) that Shanba is likely the best option for a lynch, if we see him as scummy, then what does that make his scum hunting? Obviously not beneficial for us. If he flips town (which I doubt he will), then go back and read what he said and play off of that. However if we don't know what he becomes (meaning we don't lynch) then we won't know if we should hold credit to his "scumhunting" or not. I don't see how scumhunting makes him appear more like a townie, it's something anyone could do, scum or not.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #682 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:52 pm

I actually did enjoy the layout and analysis you did on Zazier. You bring up a lot of good points, and it brings some of his game style into question that's worth a re-read. Surely I've seen everything he has said, but the abundance of questions does sort of distract players from the current or past situation (Shanba case) and could make people believe he's town for actively trying to find someone. I'll have more to say on him soon when I re-read all of his posts at the start of D3, as I normally like to re-read or skim a game whenever a new day starts so I can apply the lynch, reactions, and night actions exposed to the past of the game.

The reason for the tunneling Shanba is because I believe he's the #1 scum candidate for this day, and I have yet to find anyone else that has such a likely chance of ending up being scum. Handle each day at a time, it's clear that from most people we seem to think that Shanba is the play. I have yet to legitimately see a case on anyone else to be "as scummy" as Shanba, so I will continue will focusing on Shanba. The reason why I especially brought it back up is because we're almost at the deadline and I almost feel that since most of the Shanba case occured at the start of the day, people might have forgotten about it and subconsiously moved onto other topics.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #688 (isolation #57) » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:36 am

I'm literally just posting this message to see the timestamp on it to see what time it is in GMT lol, since that's what my forum settings are set to.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #689 (isolation #58) » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:37 am

Ok, so ~4.5 hours left, aka ending at 1pm EST

MOD: Mind if we get a vote count either now, or at least at some point before the day ends?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #701 (isolation #59) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:09 pm

I really don't think any of us saw that coming...

What surprised me even further was that Zazier also flipped town, as soon as we started to suspect him towards the end of Day 2. I honestly don't understand the mafia mentality for that with taking out someone that isn't scum that the town potentially thinks is...

And Nachomamma, you're quite quick to act with that vote tbh. How do you vote then demand an explaination... You act like I'm the only one to have voted Shanba. Sure I somewhat lead the case on him, but he was topping the scum list for multiple people. You saw the slip ups we all thought were scum tells. Almost everyone agreed that Shanba was the top play with the deadline closing in.

Also now, knowing that he flipped town, you quickly trying to cast suspicion on me at the end of Day 2 really does no sit well with me. At all.

Think about it, it's simple scum logic.

If you were scum you would know that both myself and Shanba were town. You already saw that Shanba was the play and didn't have to worry about anyone else being lynched, so you quickly started to target me which could carry over into this day (as you have already started). Targeting me in theory should net a really easy lynch since I was the main person pushing for the Shanba lynch, and naturally suspicion would be placed on me if he flipped town. However, you started the suspicion on me yesterday, which makes no sense. The only way you would know that Shanba was town yesterday was if you were scum. The only other way being that if you were a cop and got a report on him Night 1, though I would think you would use the report to protect him from being lynched if you were town, so no, there's no way you're a cop.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #707 (isolation #60) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:30 pm

Nacho - So I felt that Shanba was the scummiest of all the players Day 2... So what? Just because I hardly discussed other players doesn't mean anything. It's because that's where my focus was. I still took into consideration every other case, but felt that none held water to Shanba (I think that's how the expression goes...). Bottom case, he flipped town. How does that make me scum. Other people voted him as well. The amount of people that voted for him were more than the amount of scum in this game, aka there were guaranteed some townies that went for it.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #721 (isolation #61) » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:46 pm

As for scum, right now the one that's peaked my interest the most is Nacho for the reasons I just posted recently. The main reason being being especially suspicious of me yesterday BEFORE Shanba was lynched and flipped town. Sure, I expect to catch flak after him flipping town, but not before that. There was no reason for it. My primary reason thinking how he could possibly think so is that he already knew Shanba was not scum which leads to 2 possibilities... He's a cop or scum. I already explained why I don't think he's a cop. That leaves scum. The points Yankee just brought up as well are interesting.

Before that though it was Zazier, which is a moot point now that he's dead. As soon as someone (sorry I forget who) brought up the point that all he was doing was asking seemingly useless questions didn't really make sense to me, and didn't feel like an appropriate town play.

I need to re-read more before I can give you a firm answer on who else is on my radar.

As for town reads I'm feeling KirbYoshi but no one else has really stuck out to me too much yet. I'll look into town reads further when I re-read. I still haven't completely analyzed the lynch and night kill yet.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #752 (isolation #62) » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:18 am

I'll be back home soon which I'll catch up more, but going back to when I said people could lynch me... Would scum really say that? Think about it, there's a reason I did.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #796 (isolation #63) » Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:18 am

I wasn't lurking, I said in my post I would be back soon. I was away for a Smash tourney on Sat and didn't get home from NY till late Sunday. I'm at work now which means time to catch up lol.

I honestly don't understand Yankees claim. I don't suppose it really hurts us per se, but confirms a townie for us if we believe him. To the mafia they already knew he wasn't with them (if he's not mafia) so it's really no different to them. Also he's practically not a power role anymore. There's no way he has his shot still because if he did he wouldn't be posting this.

But like, why exactly did you role claim?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #809 (isolation #64) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:08 am

What makes you think there is a town drunk? Actually, what is a town drunk? I don't even know.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #818 (isolation #65) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:27 pm

Kirbyoshi wrote:
Chibo, now that I know it's not used at MS, I don't think there's one. It's basically a town RB.

@Chibo: From my posts, did it seem to you like I was paranoid scum or curious town?

The posts about town drunk? I don't see how that's paranoid scum really. I would say curious town.

What would you like me to talk about. Tbh I don't really have any scumtells on anyone atm, which is why I haven't voted anyone yet.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #819 (isolation #66) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:27 pm

Kirbyoshi wrote:
Chibo, now that I know it's not used at MS, I don't think there's one. It's basically a town RB.

@Chibo: From my posts, did it seem to you like I was paranoid scum or curious town?

The posts about town drunk? I don't see how that's paranoid scum really. I would say curious town.

What would you like me to talk about. Tbh I don't really have any scumtells on anyone atm, which is why I haven't voted anyone yet.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #820 (isolation #67) » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:28 pm

I suppose hitting the stop button the moment I hit submit realizing I forgot to end my color tag then re adding it resulted in a double post...

ChiboSempai · Post Post #835 (isolation #68) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:42 am

I never did like the whole do you think I'll be lynched today post by him. Tbh I had no idea what he meant by it since it was so early on in the day and he didn't even have the most votes, so I didn't know what to think of it and sort of ignored it, but these new reasons presented about it do make sense. Saying that the vote could potentially be used elsewhere better makes the whole situation that much worse.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #842 (isolation #69) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:49 am

I'm not gonna lie, EK's points do seem valid from his viewpoint. My play style is drastically different from yesterday to today but there is a legitimate reason for it which I can't really go into at the moment. A change in gameplay like this is to be noted and thought about, but not a scumtell imo.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #847 (isolation #70) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:59 am

What I have to say would potentially hurt town if told now.

MOD: Is the last vote count correct? It says 3 votes on me but only 2 people are listed.

If this is true it could mean there is a double voter...

ChiboSempai · Post Post #860 (isolation #71) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:32 pm

I'm at L-1, time to claim.

I said vanilla townie before to keep suspicion off of me so the mafia wouldn't night kill me.

I am a cop.

HOWEVER...

I'm either a insane cop or a paranoid cop, getting wrong results from my investigations, or always guilty. The reason I tunneled Shanba so much day 2 was because I had investigated Snow_Bunny night 1 and got a guilty verdict. The case never occurred to anyone, and to protect me from getting night killed from the mafia I said I was only vanilla so they wouldn't be trying to eliminate a power role. Even further, when someone brought up it could just be noob play, I went along with it and used to noob card to further protect my role.

This is why I made such brash claims such as I could be lynched if Shanba didn't flip scum. The thought of a paranoid or insane cop didn't even occur to me.

I'm not sure which it is yet though, as the verdict I got from an investigation on night 2 also yielded guilty, but I'll keep who I investigated hidden atm, unless you all would think it would be smart to reveal who it was.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #863 (isolation #72) » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:05 pm

[quote=cyan]I'd rather hide it until I know for sure if I'm paranoid or insane. I would rather not cast suspicion on potentially another townie. Until I know what kind I am, there is no telling what role the person actually is.

The person I investigated night 2 is someone I had a scumtell on around that time though, so idk. If it turns out my feeling was right and they did flip scum and I got a guilty verdict, it would mean I'm paranoid. Likewise, if at all for the rest of the game I get any innocent verdict, that would mean I'm insane and can decipher my results.[/color]

ChiboSempai · Post Post #868 (isolation #73) » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:52 pm

I investigated Nacho and got a guilty verdict

ChiboSempai · Post Post #899 (isolation #74) » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:03 pm

Which post, the one you quoted?

Honestly it was sort of lame for me to act so brash day 2, but I completely forgot about the chances of an insane or paranoid cop, I've never come across them even once in every mafia game I've played.

As for the comment about the unlikliness of there being a paranoid/insane cop with a Jester in the game... It's not like the Jester doesn't hurt just the town directly, it also hurts the mafia. I don't see why both can't coexist.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #915 (isolation #75) » Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:38 am

Jester doesn't hurt mafia per se, but it's still another faction that can win over them which hurts everyone really. That's what I meant.

As for my suspicion on Nacho, that was legitimate and had nothing to do with the verdict I got. After I found out I was a paranoid or insane cop, I'm not even listening to my verdicts atm. I'm just piling them up each night until I know what to make of them. If I get a single innocent vote, then I can determine everything from what I've gotten so far. However if someone I got a guilty verdict on happens to flip scum, then I know my cop skills are worthless.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #943 (isolation #76) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:30 am

Holy crap I had no idea tomorrow was the deadline. I was more observing the discussion amongst everyone, as my big latest role in the discussion was my role claim. What am I supposed to say after that per se? The big thing following that would be what everyone thinks about my roleclaim.

There really hasn't been much to comment on until now since I didn't read the game yesterday and I just got some down time at work now to catch up.

As per Pome's comment about the possible me and Nacho team and me trying to cover for him with the guilty verdict I got, this doesn't make sense at all. I specifically said at first I didn't want to reveal the verdict I got but was told that I should incase I were to die soon, so then people could use the verdict if it turns out I was insane and not paranoid I assume.

Tbh I'm still not sure who to somewhat target on. I'm sort of leaning towards Pome for trying to turn my cop claim into a potential scum partnering with Nacho which makes no sense. Somewhat just trying to divert attention onto someone else. I'll try to figure out a vote by the end of the day.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #949 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:34 am

Jahudo is right that I suppose I was relying a bit too much on my power role to scumhunt initially, which is why I don't have a full out list like most people do, however in most games as it is I normally don't have many reads too early on.

For the first few days I more just like to see the overall play of everyone getting a feel for their styles, habits, tendencies and what not, and I generally don't act on a scumtell unless it really jumps out at me.

With that said, not too much has really jumped out at me per se. The two main things that have sort of tripped my radar (or however the saying goes) were:

1. My entire case on Nacho at the start of Day 3 laid out in Post 701. Here is the post for everyone to reference again:

"I really don't think any of us saw that coming...

What surprised me even further was that Zazier also flipped town, as soon as we started to suspect him towards the end of Day 2. I honestly don't understand the mafia mentality for that with taking out someone that isn't scum that the town potentially thinks is...

And Nachomamma, you're quite quick to act with that vote tbh. How do you vote then demand an explaination... You act like I'm the only one to have voted Shanba. Sure I somewhat lead the case on him, but he was topping the scum list for multiple people. You saw the slip ups we all thought were scum tells. Almost everyone agreed that Shanba was the top play with the deadline closing in.

Also now, knowing that he flipped town, you quickly trying to cast suspicion on me at the end of Day 2 really does no sit well with me. At all.

Think about it, it's simple scum logic.

If you were scum you would know that both myself and Shanba were town. You already saw that Shanba was the play and didn't have to worry about anyone else being lynched, so you quickly started to target me which could carry over into this day (as you have already started). Targeting me in theory should net a really easy lynch since I was the main person pushing for the Shanba lynch, and naturally suspicion would be placed on me if he flipped town. However, you started the suspicion on me yesterday, which makes no sense. The only way you would know that Shanba was town yesterday was if you were scum. The only other way being that if you were a cop and got a report on him Night 1, though I would think you would use the report to protect him from being lynched if you were town, so no, there's no way you're a cop."

Here is a link to the post so you can go back and refer to the few posts leading up to it by Nacho:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 58#1926858

2. My recent case on Pomegranate. It was described somewhat just a few posts ago, though again... I feel that he is somewhat just trying to divert attention off of himself especially after just getting a couple of posts. I had recently claimed which is a big happening in any game when someone claims, and I feel that Pomegranate used the situation to his advantage to think of a way he could possibly twist it around to make it seem like I'm still scum, and use my verdict on Nacho against me like I had it planned despite clearly not wanting to say it to everyone in the first place. His reasoning for me being scum through my claim and verdict really doesn't make sense to me, and it seems all too likely that he brought it up on this page when suspicion was starting to land on him, and not earlier on when I first said the verdict I received on Nacho.

I don't have any real scum reads on anyone else at the moment, though for the feeling I've gotten from other players I tend to have a feeling that KirbYoshi and Jahudo are town. I'm feeling more better than not about Elvis. Socio could go either way for me. As for Yankee I honestly have no idea at all what to think about him (which in turn could be a bad thing I suppose...)

ChiboSempai · Post Post #950 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:35 am

Leaving work now, it's quite a commute. I'll be home in like 3 hours at 7:30pm EST.

If the day isn't over then I'll post more.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #961 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:59 pm

I definitely want an extension, but I don't know if three more full days is needed. We're 24 hours away at this point. Even like one more day would help, two days tops. Three days just seems a little excessive.

But either way, yea I do want some kind of extension.

I need to read into Pome's past posts knowing his role now before I post my thoughts on it.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #974 (isolation #80) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:57 pm

Vote Time Extension

It seems everyone wants it :/

True though, it can still end early from a lynch. I doubt all of the days will be used up though.

EK, why would u vote me just cause I thought 3 days was a lot for an extension -_-
That makes no sense at all...

Can someone please remind me whcih post Yankee claimed 1 shot vig?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #975 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:02 pm

Found it, post 751

This excerpt from it is intriguing to say the least...

"Again, i am perfectly fine dying today to prove what i am saying if it will benefit the town, because right now it feels like alot of you find me suspicious anyways and i dont seem to be beneficial in discussion anyways. But I strongly believe Nachomamma is the mafia, just want to put that out there for future reference."

Can you please elaborate Yankee?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #982 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:14 pm

Yankee wrote: So if this is all true, for instance, then that means

Sociopath - unknown
Pomegranate - doctor
Kirby - town
Yankee - 1 shot vig
Chibo - Cop
Jahudo - unknown
Nachomamma - town

If this is indeed the case, then you are saying there are only two mafia members.

1. I really doubt there are only 2 scum in a 12 person game. Sure one was a Jester, but I would think there should be 3. Does anyone know of a setup or successful game out there that has ran with only 2 mafia members in a game of 12?

2. I think it's still just a lil too early to be able to accurately pin a role onto every single member.

While I appreciate the reads, it just doesn't make sense what with only having 2 unknown. I also find it interesting that you don't mention any scum possibility. unknown = scum then in your case right?

I want to investigate Pome's claim further... It's an easy role to fake claim coinciding with Yankee's 1 shot vig claim and only one person dying. I'm not saying that I don't believe him, it's just that I need to do more work on reading back on his older posts.

Is the one shot vig legit? Don't you think that in a game with a Jester and a paranoid/insane cop that the town almost deserves more than one shot? Again, this isn't necessarily the case, it just seems interesting now that I've been thinking about it ever since someone brought up the whole issue about whether the game was balanced enough or not for the town.

If for some reason Pome isn't the doc, then claiming that he protected EK is a sure fire way to protect him from being lynched if it really is a scum plan.

Uhg, this is a lot to consider. While it could all fit together perfectly like this, something just doesn't seem right in all of it...

ok...

Sort of going back to the whole mass claim thing...
Don't blame me for rolefishing by saying this, but it could massively help our case.

~If there are any other town power roles out there that haven't confirmed yet, please do so~

In particular I'm looking for the possibility of one of two certain roles out there. I don't want to say what they are to discourage an attempt of someone fake claiming.

This information could be very vital for us.

No one end and quick lynch this day, after thinking about it more there is a lot that can potentially be learned.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #995 (isolation #83) » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:16 am

i said i DID want a deadline extesnsion. i just said that i didnt think another 3 whole days was necessary. not to mention i did vote for the extension. why are people voting me over this, it makes no sense at all.

I already explained why I didn't vote yet also. We aren't at the deadline yet, it's not a big deal.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #996 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:17 am

what does the asterik next to ur name mean in the list

ChiboSempai · Post Post #998 (isolation #85) » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:52 am

When would you claim in the list? Last?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1022 (isolation #86) » Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:52 am

So wait, did we actually get a straight up claim from Socio, or are we assuming he is a neighbor (either town neighbor or mafia neighbor) with EK?

My thoughts on the play of today and role:

I agree with Jahudo that the play of today should be one of the vanillas. We can't risk loosing a power role and a lot of the roles here can sort of semi confirm each other (for instance my role can somewhat confirm people if we find out if I'm insane instead of paranoid).

Due to the lack of great PRs it would make sense that I would at least be insane, but this is just an observation and is in no way true, we can't assume the balance of the game as already mentioned.

As for EK's reasons for why he thinks Socio is town, I believe point 1 and 3 (especially 3), though I don't necessarily buy 2 as a big town tell. That would be a very easy way to deceive you if he was scum, since he would know about Zazier being the nightkill target and trying to lead you to think that he would be alive the next day. Remember that if Socio is mafia then his scum partner(s) would know about his communication with you since he could just tell them what's going on, and the 2 or 3 of them could devise a plan to lead you in the wrong direction.

The vanillas in the game (as claimed) are KirbYoshi, Jahudo, and Nacho.

I'm willing to bet that at least one of them scum, I really can't see both (or hopefully not all 3) scum be able to fake claim power roles successfully.

As for results I have gotten, the only one I have where the person is still alive is Nacho, to which I have a guilty verdict on. If he is lynched and flips scum then it confirms that I am paranoid and my power is useless. If we however believe that my role should be insane instead due to balance reasons, that would mean Nacho would be town. I would say for the benefit of the doubt to at least give me one more day to try and find out if my cop role is paranoid or insane and not lynch Nacho yet.

So imo the play should either be Kirbyoshi or Jahudo. It's all up to the players to determine which one they think is scummier through various actions through the days so far. It really doesn't matter to me which one it is as I haven't found a really legit scum tell on either yet, though I don't like some of the things Kirbyoshi has said (thinking back to like "do you think I'll be lynched today"), and I do like Jahudo's analysis' on the game since he's joined in.

The only logical choice then at least from my point of view then is Kirbyoshi. Pom, if you are the Doctor please protect me tonight. I'm the last town role with any real power since Yankee's assumed one shot is used up, and we already have somewhat of an analysis of EK's discussion with Socio. Protect me to give me another chance to find a innocent verdict (meaning I'm insane not paranoid). If I do happen to get it, that could mean A LOT to the town.

Vote: Kirbyoshi

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1039 (isolation #87) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:51 am

No lynch would be an awful choice right now, we should be able to make a somewhat logical enough decision based on what we know.

Did anyone read my post 1022? No one commented on it, and I thought it made perfect sense for who the play today should be.

The play should be one of the vanilla claims, either Kirb, Jahudo, or Nacho. It would be beneficial to wait one more day before we lynch Nacho since everyone is fairly sure I'm not paranoid due to balance reasons and the fact that I got a guilty on him, so the play should either be Kirb of Jahudo. It really doesn't matter which, though of the two I found Kirb slightly scummier.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1041 (isolation #88) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:58 am

Forgot to add, I will investigate tonight the other vanilla that is still meaning. Meaning if we lynch Kirb, I'll investigate Jahudo. If we lynch Jahudo, I'll investigate Kirb.

There is no way both (or all 3) mafia could or would be able to pull off power role claims, at least one of those 3 vanilla HAVE to be scum. Providing I get my verdict to you guys tomorrow *cough* doctor protection plz *cough*

Then...

Say we lynch one of the three today and they flip scum. Awesome, we got one. I get the report on the other one and we have reports on both remaining vanillas. In the rare chance in this situation I get a innocent claim, then we nab a second mafia, and confirm that I am insane and not paranoid. However in the chance that only one of the mafia members are a vanilla I wouldn't be surprised if we lynched a mafia that my report would turn up as guilty.

Say we lynch one of the three today and they flip town. Then I get the report on the third and itl say either guilty or innocent. Assuming I'm insane and not paranoid, it should say innocent and we found a scum and confirmed the other to be town. In the chance that we lynch a town today (from the 3 vanilla) and I get a guilty verdict, it would be extremely likely that I would be paranoid.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1045 (isolation #89) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:09 pm

No, it doesn't really make sense.

Uhg. Take it a step at a time then.

Can everyone agree with me that there is a very likely chance that one of the three claimed vanillas is actually scum?

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1049 (isolation #90) » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:49 pm

If we agree that one of the vanillas is scum, then by just tonight we can get dirt on all three of them.

I already have a result on Nacho, we lynch one of the other 2, and the 3rd one gets investigated tonight.

Unless we can also decide that if the vanilla we lynch flips scum, then I investigate one of the power role "pairs" to see if their story matches up since it's less likely that 2 of the 3 vanillas are scum.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1062 (isolation #91) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:46 pm

Why did you guys end up lynching Nacho... didn't you listen to my plan at all?

Either way, I got a guilty on KirbYoshi.

Therefor, unless I'm paranoid (hope to god I'm not) then the 3rd claimed VT is scum. I really can't see every mafia member being able to fake a power role. At least one of them had to have gone the VT route.

Vote Jahudo

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1067 (isolation #92) » Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:18 pm

I didn't realize that we were in Lylo.

I'm still holding to my suspicion on Jahudo, but we need to think more logically here to ensure that we find scum person rather than hope that I'm insane (and not paranoid) and thinking that one of the scum claimed VT.

Unvote

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1079 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:06 pm

This is by far the most confusing setup I've ever been apart of, I need to read more into it.

I didn't even know that town scum lover pairs were even possible...

Even due to the text it could mean that there is only one killer, I wouldn't expect there to be a single killer if they were a lover tied to the town. As disadvantaged the town seems, that makes it a lot worse for the mafia. So if we plan on thinking one of the lovers is mafia, then there is yet another person we can attempt to focus on. Who are the other possibilities?

Would it be safer as we go on to think that I am insane and not paranoid? While it's a shot in the dark, we don't have too much to play off of at the moment so for the time being I would avoid lynching KirbYoshi.

That leaves Jahudo and Pome.

Now if theres a 2 scum pair, and one of them is a lover with someone else, then the other mafia member would know that the other one is part of the lover deal then I assume right? If we read into that then we might get a slightly better feel of things.

The fact that Pome claimed a power role means that we should be able to look into that more logically before choosing to lynch either Jahudo or Pome (imo).

Pome protected Socio correct?

Reading back to earlier on this day when people brought up the liklihood of Pome telling the truth from the Yankeee night kill makes me think Jahudo more.
Couple that with my original at least one mafia had to have disguised their self as a VT makes me think Jahudo more.

Judging by all of this logic,

Unvote (I forgot if I voted yet), Vote: Jahudo

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1080 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:07 pm

Messed up the bold tag:

Unvote Vote Jahudo

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1084 (isolation #95) » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:28 am

Jahudo -
By one killer I meant one scum. I got mixed up with the game's favlor text as we're trying to find out who killed Totally Awesome Dude.

And as for what people said about Pome now making me think Jahudo more, it's because in my post I narrowed down my vote to either Pome or Jahudo, and if people seem to think that Pome's claim is true due to Yankeee's truthfulness in the one shot vig role, then that would solely leave Jahudo in my list.

ChiboSempai · Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:17 am

I honestly don't know where people are getting this magical theory of a SK all of a sudden.

While the case on Pome is clear, idk, I just don't think it makes complete sense. It's still somewhat a shot in the dark, which don't get me wrong my vote on Jahudo is as well - but I like my logic behind it better.

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1105 (isolation #97) » Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:45 pm

Sorry I was confused, I personally don't consider SK = one scum. I would consider an SK being an independant along with mafia and town by themselves

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1120 (isolation #98) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:53 am

Prodded -_-

I've checked this game every single day (except yesterday), but hardly anyone is saying anything. There's nothing I can reply to...

ChiboSempai · Post Post #1152 (isolation #99) » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:27 am

For some reason I'm still getting the feeling that there is a lone killer in the game. In the case of such I really can't see that person then being tied to a lover as then if one of those two people were lynched then the game would be over.

I want to stay away from EK and Socio. I could see Pome as a possible candidate, but I would still rather stick to my original gut feeling of Jahudo.

ChiboSempai · Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:43 pm

Very fun game. First time being a cop with skewed results, I completely forgot about the possibility of paranoid or insane when the game started (since I've never been in a game with them or as one) hence how I acted Day 2.

My theory on Jahudo really only worked if there was a mafia that was at least 2 people. I didn't really know what to think after the point of a SK came up hence why I didn't post as much.

Very nice everyone.