Mini 852- Crayola Catastrophe Game Over (Post 1158)

[ChiboSempai]

Sorry I've been a lil inactive lately, catching up soon. Was at the VGXPO all weekend and the place I stayed at had no internet which I wasn't expecting.

[Nachomamma8]

Shanba, honestly, you could warp that no matter what words I used in that situation. I used an objective marker so I could quite literally force him to post more; in asking for more content, I could've guaranteed I would have been ignored. I'm a bit confused as to why this is so scummy, but... meh.

[Kirbyoshi]

Nacho, I don't find it scummy, but I don't agree with the strategy. Asking for posts imo is useless, because what Josh could have done--indeed, what he kinda did--was to post 5 posts without much content, then say, "Ok, Nacho, I gave you your 5 posts, now GTFO."

Shanba, I know it wasn't meant as a defense, but it was kinda taken as one by me nonetheless.

Socio almost seems to be putting up a case-barrier with his recent posts. Like what he did with EK, whenever someone tries to build a case on him, he could just fire back, "OMG you did what I wanted! That's buddying! DIIIIIIIIEEEEE SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!" Like I said, scummiest thing he's done so far.

[Shanba]

Shanba, honestly, you could warp that no matter what words I used in that situation. I used an objective marker so I could quite literally force him to post more; in asking for more content, I could've guaranteed I would have been ignored. I'm a bit confused as to why this is so scummy, but... meh.

It's not the words you used, as such. It's that you were trying to get him to do something (i.e. post content) but despite the fact he didn't do it, you unvoted. And this is because you put down such rigid criteria. I reckon I might be getting upset over nothing, but such inconsistencies always draw my attention: I still don't understand

why

you would use objective criteria at all in such a context.

[ChiboSempai]

For the people believe I'm just playing n00bishly, whether it's true or not (that's not really something I can have an opinion on), then are the legit reads on Snow_Bunny and Shanba just fake then, something that I've conjured up in my mind? Other people have voted him as well, so I can't be the only one to think that exactly. Or are the slip ups so dead obvious that even a n00b could pick them up?

Another question related to it... If Snow_Bunny had not replaced, would you (whoever is reading this) continue to sort of go after her? No one really seemed to like the quick lynch on D1.

It almost just seems like this day is going on for so long and since most of the case on SB/Shanba was so early on (from the end of D1 to the first few real life days of D2) that people are probably starting to forget about it, but when scum slips up and leaves reads, it has to be acted on. If you just wait long enough they don't magically become not scum anymore LOL.

[elvis_knits]

Chibo, you bring up snow bunny...

I noticed snowbunny is still on the site, playing in at least one other game.

I really don't know what I think of it. Basically I guess she got scared and ran away since she hammered at sort of a bad time and people gave her crap for it before lynch scene was even up.

But was she scared because she looked scummy and she's scum? Or because she looked scummy and she's not scum? I really hate when people replace out as scum for the sole reason that they are caught scum, and it's pretty much against the spirit of the game and I hope the mod wouldn't allow that. But if she gave him another excuse, what's he gonna do? I guess he could modkill her, but who knows what he would do? I have played before with a scumbuddy who asked to be replaced because he was under attack, and I knew that was his reason because I was his buddy, and I lynched him for it because I just don't think it's fair for people to do that.

I was sort of hoping that snowbunny got scared because she's not scum, especially since shanba has said some things I think are inconsistent with scum behavior.

But overall, I really don't know. I keep thinking about it, but I haven't come up with anything great.

[ChiboSempai]

It really doesn't make sense that she would replace out if she wasn't scum. The truth generally comes out in the end. If she wasn't scum, then she could have given us legitimate reasons for why she quick lynched SoG, her thoughts behind it, and that's that. The nature of her lynch though - (very quick post making sure no one unvoted before it since it didn't have color etc, trying to pin the blame on me for hammering him, and replacing out) all makes me believe she was scum. There is no other logical explanation behind it that I can think of. Even with everything that's happened today, what happened with Snow Bunny still sticks out to me by far as the most legit scumtell in this game yet, and one of the biggest slip ups I've seen in any game I've played lol.

Why would people exactly replace out if they are scum and found out? Worried about a win record? Not wanting to play a game they are about to lose? I just can't see anyone quitting asap if they were town and suspected as scum, it happens. Scum suspected as scum however...

Also, Shanba hasn't exactly done the best to fix the reputation since the beginning imo...

That wasn't a defence. I want to hear your logic here, because this is a really odd idea.

As is sociopath's; though I have to admit some irony there.

I've said almost the exact same thing in a game where I was town

(I think it was Rishi's election mafia, but I'm not sure). But I'm not going to push a case on him because I don't think he's scum and I believe doing so could be misleading.

Possible slip up? I really don't like Shanba's wording here. Surely it could be nothing, saying there was a time where he said something similar when he was town, but his wording seems to suggest that "in a game where he was town" compared to this game, where perhaps he's not town? Something to think about.

Besides that since the beginning, I feel a lot of his posts are more aimed towards me and trying to get me targeted (makes it seem like a OMGUS situation). Looking through posts again I also notice that Shanba has stayed relatively quiet at times when a lot of other discussion was going on, just lying low. If there is enough discussion about other people, then they might forget about Shanba, being the point I brought up in my last post about this day being long enough that people might be forgetting about the Shanba case.

[elvis_knits]

Bleh I saw snowbunny posting in like three games this morning...

If she did replace out because she was caught scum, that's horrible. I'd like to think a person wouldn't do that in the spirit of fair play, but perhaps I'm being naive. I mean, I have seen it before as I said, but I don't like to believe that many people would stoop so low.

I don't think the slip you quoted above is a slip though. How would Shanba have worded it differently? I think he would say it that way if he was town or scum.

If I believe snow bunny is scum I guess I have to believe that all the things that Shanba said to make me think he's town were said on purpose, or that I just took them the wrong way.

Oh, one more thing, chibo, you said that you put the vote on SoG to see if snow bunny would hammer. Which is sort of like you setting a trap for her. And I generally don't like traps and think most of the time scum are the ones who set traps. So that is another complication for me.

[SocioPath]

Some exchanges with kirby and pome early in the game that were sort of useless joking or maybe buddying.

Still pseudo-random phase, and I was half-jokingly referring to being thanked for providing corrections. Half-joking in that, it is noted as part of her behavior to see if it is consistent.

Wagoning chamber just because he has a non-standard playstyle. Which amounts to a policy lynch. Which is scummy.

Yes, I was ready to policy lynch him. In order to get him to change his 'playstyle.' He essentially said, 'I'm going to vote people, and then not explain anything.' I was trying to get him to explain votes he would do in order to get a better understanding from him. If he started doing such, my vote would be invalid and I would remove it if that continued to be the only reason I had a vote on him.

I also didn't like how you got mad at him for posting after asking for replacement. You said it might be a violation of site guidelines, which don't think it is. It seemed like you just wanted him gone from the game.

I was mostly paranoid for his sake, generally when people ask to be replaced out, they stop posting. And there was the off chance that he might post even after replaced.

One of the things you said about SoG early was that he "went straight into scum hunting." Like that's a bad thing. I think that's a good thing -- to go straight into scum hunting.

I didn't say he "went straight into scum hunting." I said that he "went straight into "scum hunting"." Quotes around "sum hunting" because I didn't believe the farce he was presenting as actual scum hunting. Like I said, it seemed forced. (Turns out it was. XD Silly Jester)

Continuing to give Pome a break for no apparent reason. When she explains she has school and VLA issues you pipe up to commiserate how hard it is to post with school and such. WAH! Buddying to Pome.

I was planning on making a case against Pom and her lurking habits, are pursuing that. But her situation seemed believable enough to warrant her mostly absence. She has also contributed more since then. But if it came to it, I could spend the time tracking her, AND Plum's posting habits to see if the stories match up, etc. Her sporadic posting I haven't forgotten about though, and is some strikes against her.

Pulling the newbie card for chibo.

When the game started, he had been a member of the site for 6 days. As time passes, that card of his will wither up and die. People who latch onto that card throughout a game, (as games can take months) I hold under much scrutiny and consider it scummy. Especially considering this isn't his only game. People can learn quite 'quickly'(still, several months aren't 'quick') in games.




Also, the whole Bunny being scum and then replacing out and being quite active elsewhere on the site is a very good reason to lynch Shanba.
I do feel sorry for the situation that she put him in though.

[SocioPath]

Also, in the past. I've made cases against MYSELF in order to promote discussion in games with dying activities. I had also made cases about EVERYONE in the GAME, even people who I thought were town and stated as such. In one of those cases, I noted that 2 people were played similarly when it came to how they treated me (One I thought was town, the other I thought was a town VI.) and noted that they could be scum buddies because of such. I didn't BELIEVE they were scum at that point, but the EVIDENCE was still there.

Turns out after the game ended (ABANDONED DAY 1 DUE TO LACK OF ACTIVITY >:O) that those two WERE actually scum buddies.
So no shred of evidence, against town or otherwise, should be overlooked.
Ideally, if I had infinite time on my hands, I would make cases against everyone in all my games.

That should also help clue you in to if I was joking with your apparent buddying, knits.

[Pomegranate]

I don't much like the idea of Chibo's trap. I could see the motivation as scum, as well as the reasoning as town. I see it as slightly scummy, but generally a null-tell, as both town and scum attempt "traps".

If the reason for SB replacing out is because she made a dumb move as scum, she did the wrong thing. I think of that as indecent. I don't see any real town motivation for hammering, especially for trying to shift the blame to someone else.

As Budja is not replaced yet, I will

Vote: Shanba

. I'm still waiting to hear what Budja's replacement has to say.

[Battousai]

Yankee replace Budja, once I receive a confirmation via PM

[Pomegranate]

About SB (or maybe a bit about Shanba too)- I'm in another game with her (Open 175; it started a day or two ago), and this is all somewhat unclear, but she did seem to say that she was very busy with her games (it seemed to refer to one in particular, but I'm not sure).

[Pomegranate]

About SB (or maybe a bit about Shanba too)- I'm in another game with her (Open 175; it started a day or two ago), and this is all somewhat unclear, but she did seem to say that she was very busy with her games (it seemed to refer to one in particular, but I'm not sure).

[ChiboSempai]

I really don't see what is wrong with traps. Scum can essentially disguise themselves as town just as well as anyone else, so we have to use various tactics to sort of catch the scum. While the situation was a bit brash, I'd like to say that it did work at least. And if Shanba/SB did end up being scum, then you would see that the motivation behind doing it was not being scum.

If SB was any sort of knowledgeable town member at all, she would not have quick lynched in the situation she was in. Definitely not. The only logical explanation behind her hammer was being scum, think about it. A townie would take a hammer more seriously in making sure they weren't killing off one of their own kind, would read all posts leading up to said hammer, would make sure it was done right (first time wasn't bolded iirc and second time had no color, the posts were very rushed), and would not try to pin the blame of a scummy action on someone else. If she was town and had a legit reason for hammering SoG, there would be no need for her posts like "well Chibo technically hammered him," or something like that. Scum on the other hand, found a quick way to guarantee lynch someone that was not on their side, and Snow Bunny took advantage of it.

[Yankee]

I am just posting to confirm that I am replacing Budja, but there are so many pages to read to catch up, and it is so late that i wont have anything to add tonight.... sorry guys, im just really tired..

[Battousai]

Vote Count

Shanba (3) – ChiboSempai, Kirbyoshi, Pomegranate
Budja (2) – elvis_knits, Shanba
Kirbyoshi (1) – Budja
ZazieR (1) - SocioPath

Not Voting (3): GreenDude, Nachomamma8, ZazieR


It takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline Extension: Since it took so long to get a replacement for Budja, deadline has been moved from Oct 17th to Oct 20th at 12:00pm (GMT -5 hrs)

Do to an accident, my cross-replace with Open 172 isn't going to happen. But since one of mole's players is coming over here to fill the Budja spot, I was hoping one of you could go over and fill a spot. It's 11 pages and good activity

[Pomegranate]

Hi Yankee, I hope your catch-up is going well!

Battousai: I'll consider filling the spot, but I may have too many games too keep up with. I'll think about it for a bit.

[Nachomamma8]

Shanba, honestly, you could warp that no matter what words I used in that situation. I used an objective marker so I could quite literally force him to post more; in asking for more content, I could've guaranteed I would have been ignored. I'm a bit confused as to why this is so scummy, but... meh.

It's not the words you used, as such. It's that you were trying to get him to do something (i.e. post content) but despite the fact he didn't do it, you unvoted. And this is because you put down such rigid criteria. I reckon I might be getting upset over nothing, but such inconsistencies always draw my attention: I still don't understand

why

you would use objective criteria at all in such a context.

Well then, put yourself in my position. What would you have said if you wanted more content, and when would you have unvoted?

[Yankee]

I am on a short lunch break right now from work, and i wont get off til midnight, but i should be able to catch up then. sorry for such a long delay

[Shanba]

Shanba, honestly, you could warp that no matter what words I used in that situation. I used an objective marker so I could quite literally force him to post more; in asking for more content, I could've guaranteed I would have been ignored. I'm a bit confused as to why this is so scummy, but... meh.

It's not the words you used, as such. It's that you were trying to get him to do something (i.e. post content) but despite the fact he didn't do it, you unvoted. And this is because you put down such rigid criteria. I reckon I might be getting upset over nothing, but such inconsistencies always draw my attention: I still don't understand

why

you would use objective criteria at all in such a context.

Well then, put yourself in my position. What would you have said if you wanted more content, and when would you have unvoted?

I would have asked for more content and unvoted when I had subjectively decided he had delivered more content or whne I needed my vote to vote for someone scummier.

There's nothing wrong with subjectivity.

I'm dropping this here, though. I don't think it's scummy any more since it doesn't appear to have been a ploy of any kind: I think you would have done it the way you did as scum or town.

[Kirbyoshi]

Wow, never thought I'd say this, but because of the above post, Shanba's actually starting to look more pro-town. He still has yet to explain away Snow's blunder(s), but on the 545, he basically took the words right out of my mouth, and spat them out a different color Still waiting on Yankee though...with a name like that, he's gonna have to do alot to prove himself town (kidding).

@mod: I PM'ed Mole about the replacement. I needed another game, since as of now I am only currently active in one.

[Yankee]

oh my god, that was so much to read, i skimmed through alot of it. But i find it scummy that Snow_Bunny is playing in another game with me, but replaced out of this one after people go after her for hammering.

Vote: Shanba

[Kirbyoshi]

@Yankee: You need to unvote Budja's vote before voting

[Yankee]

Oh, my bad.

Unvote, Vote: Shanba