Mini 745 - Moving Day Mafia (GAME OVER!)

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/confirm

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Vote: Herodotus

Because is reason was just plain stupid.

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AHAHAHA! Oh man, that was great, killa7

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Haha, yeah. Wait, mine or Herodotus'?

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Ah, clever q21

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It wasn't. It's true. You can't beat something that doesn't exist.

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Unvote

And people don't want to make an ass out of u?

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I'm not convinced that EA is scum quite yet, but he definitely seems suspicious at the moment.

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How does that sound like I'm not trying to get involved? I said what I was thinking, but if that's trying not to get involved then, yes, I guess I'm not.

As of now, the two major people I suspect is:
EA
Jazmynn

[Not, that that doesn't suck, but I find it odd that 3 games I've been in, someone had to leave for a while due to the illness or death of someone.]

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I agreed with one "wagon". No question was directed at me specifically and I find it kind of stupid to base a vote on one thing I've done that you find suspicious. Like myself, you should really hold back on a vote until you have better info to go on. I admit, I don't post that much, but I do read EVERYTHING. And if you want, I will answer a question if it is directed at me specifically.

And, btw, why would anyone act scummy? And how am I the prime example of this game? What have I done that was even remotely scummy?

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I never said keeping you vote to yourself was a good idea, I said holding back on voting, meaning don't vote right away, get info first, then vote.

I think that Jazmynn is scum because of her constant attempt of trying to feel/look like she's in power and defensiveness. Obviously being defensive isn't bad, but I think it's something to find suspicious because she never says when she thinks she's wrong or made a mistake.

Honestly, I have not done anything to help the town, so I will try to work on that, but quite frankly, I find it to be better if I get info for myself first, take it in and understand it, and then I will try to explain how I feel about something or how I think others should take it.

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ZEEnon, could you please stop with the spaces between your sentences? It gets difficult to read when it is spaced like that. Post like a normal person.

don_johnson, if you think he's scum, why tell him to look for scum harder? he wouldn't need to, if he is.

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I was referring to a comment that q21 made and he already explained it, I wasn't referring to you, Herodotus. You never even asked me that.

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Vote: Killa Seven

He has posted pretty much nothing. What he has posted was nothingness talk and his last post was simply saying that he was here, which he currently is not.

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Jazzmyn, since my vote has failed to light a spark of activity under you how about a direct question. Do you have an opinion about who the scum are? (Anyone else is, of course free to answer this.)

Actually, your prompt post came at 2:28 a.m. this morning in my time zone, and I was asleep by then. I am not able to post during weekdays as I work for government and have to abide by its "Internet acceptable use" policy, which says that we are not supposed to use our work computers and Blackberries, etc., for personal use, games, etc. I generally do not get online on weeknights until after 7:00 p.m. my time (although a bit earlier tonight because it's a long weekend here and Monday is a holiday so I left a bit earlier than usual) and then on weekends, I am able to post more than during the week. All of which is to say that I didn't see your post #99 until I logged in tonight.

In addition, this week I had a couple of other games with looming deadlines and such (including one with a deadline in LyLo last night, no less) so those had to take priority.

That said, I have gone through this thread and started my game notes and the players who are giving me the greatest scumvibes at present are dejkha, ZEEnon and, to a lesser extent, ac1983. Dejkha for his weak responses to Erratus after Erratus' "wagons are the path to victory" comment. It's okay to accuse and to seek clarification, of course, but to continue to cling to a notion once a reasonable response and explanation has been provided, and to 'defend' that stance with circular reasoning and other poor reasoning instead of just moving on - on Day 1 in the very early stages - is suspicious to me. ZEEnon for voting Erratus while saying that he didn't have to explain why, and for his poor replies to Erratus' responses to his vote and his follow up posts, including the one in which he says that he thinks it should be obvious why he didn't have to explain his vote. This kind of so-called 'logic' makes my brain hurt. To a lesser extent, ac1983 for the exchange about it being 'bad form' to vote for someone without a lot of evidence in the early going, and the repetitive posts on this same point in #67, 68, 69, 70. There is rarely a lot of evidence as to who is scum in the early going, so his comments on this point and his hesitance to vote for someone who he said he thought was scummy come across as a bit forced. But, as mentioned, I am getting a lesser scum vibe from ac1983 than that which I am currently getting from dejkha and ZEEnon.

Erratus, Q21 and Herodotus strike me as pro-town at present. I'm not getting much of a read on the remaining players as yet, and I haven't played in any previous games with the vast majority of players in this game so I don't have any meta type information that might assist me in knowing their playstyle, etc., so this is all subject to change, of course, as the day progresses.

My guess is that Jazzmyn is some kind of Jester- even the dumbest players wouldn't lynch Zeenon on post length- so this doesn't seem particularly pro-town or pro-scum. Just dumb.

I wasn't "lynching" ZEEnon (or anyone for that matter) based on the weird formatting of his posts. It was a random vote for a nonsensical reason which I thought was apparent, given that I wrote, "That's just weird" which I would think anyone could divine as random. And, no, I am certainly not a Jester.

You contribute almost nothing to the discussion, and then make a vote for a silly reason, and no acknowlegement of what is really going on, claiming that you think we are still in the joke vote stage, where anyone who had actually read the thread would know that was not true. This was my initial assesment, which you proved with your response to my & q21's questions... There are much better reasons to be voting for zeenon other than his unorthodox posting style.

See above. It was a random vote for a nonsensical reason (which is what I thought would make it apparent that it was a random vote). Meta me, if you like, and you will see that I don't cast serious votes without setting out my reasons.

Regards,
Jazz

You had a response to everything, that's not a bad thing, but none of the things that you responded to, did you say you were wrong about anything. You said what you thought and thought that you were right about everything. Oh, and you haven't made a vote to lynch anyone, even if it was to unvote later to get info, you have yet to vote.

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Killa7, I don't think this is what you were saying, but just because you found him out as scum last game, doesn't mean he is scum this game, (although he very well could be).

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Although I too have been lynched and did not care, it seems weird that you won't even defend yourself the slightest bit, killa7.

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I noticed that too, but I just figured he was an idiot at math.

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It seems that people want killa7 gone, but they don't want to waste a vote on him in fear of him being town, just someone who's not posting.

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unvote

herodotus, I think your thought that dejkha finding killa7 scummy and thus making the votes for the lynch go away from him was a bad/stupid thought. Regardless of scum or not, no body wants to be lynched and (hopefully) everyone will vote based on whatever reason, hopefully if they think they're scum, but thinking that he voted for someone to get votes away from him is just illogical. No one can vote for themselves (at least I don't think) and unless dejkha said something specific about this, it's just an odd assumption to make.

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Not literally remove votes, but to take away the thoughts of voting for him because there will be more votes for someone else.

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I don't get why you would want things to move along, but put the deadline in 2 WEEKS.

Erratus, not reading the post doesn't necessarily make you scum, it's just a stupid thing to do. I get it, some posts are incredibly long and boring, but you could at least glance through them. But it does seem suspicious or at least lazy.

Top of page 14 vote count:

ac1983fan 3 (q21, Erratus Apathos, Plonky)
killa seven 2 (Tovarish, dejkha)
ZEEnon 1 (Jazzmyn)
Herodotus 1 (ZEEnon)
Plonky 1 (don_johnson)
dejkha 1 (Herodotus)

Not voting: killa seven, Zer0ph34r

With 12 still packing it takes 7 to lynch.

Note: this vote count should be accurate as of this post.

Prods: Plonky

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I didn't say I wanted the deadline sooner, I said [READ POST]. That doesn't say anywhere in there that I want it to happen sooner.

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What I meant by that post was that I just found it odd because to me, 2 weeks is a while away, and the mod said that she wanted to move things along quickly.

Erratus: Sorry, but it's hard to detect sarcasm when it is typed and you assume the tone of what someone's saying. So, don't say that like it's easy to detect it.

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I'm simply annoyed with ac1983fan's methods of trying to get attention or suspicion on me [like that lame what did you mean by post #325 thing]. That seemed a bit dumb to me.

Vote: ac1983fan

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I like reading this whole q21 vs dejkha thing. I think they could both be scum just trying to hide it up. [Just a thought].

However: I'm gonna stick with my original vote.

vote: killa seven

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You didn't catch him in a lie. Let me clarify some things that people are too stupid to realize with logic.

1) I am dejkha's brother
2) I copied and pasted his wiki entry and used it as my own and changed it to my stats because it's easier than making your own.
3) And even if he did post that stuff, how does that make him scum? Because you caught him in a lie irrelevant to the game?
4) All of the info there is correct [except that I am currently in 2 games that are not in the stats].
5) I'm not saying that dejkha isn't scum, but in this sense, there is no proof.

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Yes, everything in my wiki page was written by me.

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I'm not the serial killer and if I was, wouldn't it seem a bit too obvious of me to kill dejkha? I too was surprised because I never even took into consideration that a serial killer could be in the game. And I'm not saying this to get attention off me, but the fact that herodotus is still in the game means one of two things (to me) 1: He is mafia. 2: The mafia knew that we would lynch him because he seems scummy. So this kind of confuses me as what to do because he is currently my number one concern.

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That third option does make sense, but ultimately ends up being a form of #1. And based on memories of what I read, or at least in my eyes, herodotus would have gotten at least some votes on the first day had it not been for kill7's lack of posting.

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ac, how am I ignorant? And when have I ever used AIM slang or had terrible spelling?

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Porkens, what do you mean by "too easy"? And my number one suspect is either herodotus or Jazmyn. Have people forgot about her? She seems to be playing under the radar or something. She, to my memory has never actually been involved with any discussion, even I have been in at least a little, but she never posts anything, especially involving her thoughts.

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Again Porkens, how was I ignorant in that post? And, got a reason for the vote? I thought it was weird how you had negative thoughts about torvarish and then voted for him, unvoted and voted for me, despite the EBWOP.

Top of page 20 vote count:

Zer0ph34r 1 (Porkens)
ac1983fan 1 (Herodotus)

Not voting: Jazzmyn, Erratus Apathos, Sotty7, Tovarish, Zer0ph34r, don_johnson, ac1983fan

With 9 still packing it takes 5 to lynch.

Note: this vote count should be accurate as of this post.

Prods: Erratus Apathos

Looking for a replacement for Tovarish

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yeah, porkens. actually ac did

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I don't understand why you would say that even though you were referring to me. And as for the bong thing, I don't have one. WTF are you talking about? And I'm going to assume that there are 3 mafia members, even though there could be 4, but doubtfully. This means, if there are 3, we can only make one more mistake by lynching a townie, after that, we gotta lynch mafia every day. If there are 4, we have to lynch mafia everyday from here on out.

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Back, sorry for the absence, I'll try to catch up on the posts within the day.

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For right now, I am going to assume that I am paranoid because assuming that I am sane will have worse consequences than if we were to assume I am sane. At this point in the game, what do you guys think would be best, a lynch today or no lynch? Because we're getting down to it with 3 pro-towns gone. And to my memory, q21 never claimed to be a cop and did not get the chance to investigate, or at least tell us, so that kind of makes things difficult at the moment.

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That would indeed be a cop claim. And in case you are wondering why I did not investigate, it was because I tried to, but it said that I could not, so I'm assuming that I was blocked.

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quick, unrelated question about mafia scum that i've never come across:

what happens if there's a tie in the votes?

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I never suggested a no-vote, Jazzmyn. I mentioned the thought of a no-lynch, but I'm not in favor of it.

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That situation makes sense, yes and when I got the message saying I was "blocked" it said specifically, "Action could not be performed." So, I'm assuming that means roleblocked, but I guess it could mean something else, but I don't know what. And no, I don't know my sanity, and at this stage, I may never know (until the end). I have to investigate someone, then based on the role I get, we decide to lynch him or not, then we will know my sanity, but I don't want to risk killing another townie, so let's see how it goes.

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I wanted to see who would catch it, it may seem untrue, but I wanted to see who was actually paying attention, and as a result, only one person mentioned it.

And don, I tried investigating killaseven for suspicion of scum. And by the way, does anyone have a suggestion as to who I should investigate tonight?

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well, thank you all for making me feel like the dumbest fool on the planet. okay, yes i just realized that I wasted an investigation, but as stupid as that was, I am a cop, and that means I am pro-twon. And don, that zerobrains thing sucked.

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well don, although my sanity may be insane, I would still be pro-town, just being given incorrect info.

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True, but I claimed to be a cop, just a cop, and I think the message telling me role would've told me that I was mafia, which it didn't.

Top of page 26 vote count:

Porkens 2 (Erratus Apathos, ac1983fan)
ac1983fan 2 (don_johnson)
Zer0ph34r 1 (Porkens)
Jazzmyn 1 (Looker)

Not voting: Jazzmyn, Sotty7, Zer0ph34r, Herodotus

With 9 still packing it takes 5 to lynch.

Note: this vote count should be accurate as of this post.

Prods: None

Still looking for a replacement for EA.

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How exactly does his last post make him seem pro-town? I think they are, but not from that post.

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Well, if it has to be either I'm dumb or I'm good at playing dumb, it must be that I am dumb, because that's what people have implied in the past and I don't intend to be dumb.

What/who is SK, Sotty? But I do have high suspicion of ac, but like pretty much every other time in the past, I have made the mistake of voting for the person I find most suspicious. [BTW, I've never lynched a mafia member in all of my 5 games, so that sucks.] I wanna go with my instincts, but I want to be 99% sure first.

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What makes me suspicious of him was that he claimed to be a serial killer. Obviously, he could be telling the truth, but honestly, the fact that he claimed at exactly the point that he should've makes me worry. Because in all of my games so far, no one has ever done what I wanted them to do without telling them. I know that seems like a lame reason, but in a sense, I find him suspicious because he's "too pro-town" I guess you could say, but that's a reason why I am so hesitant to vote for him.

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Oh, I was sure that serial killer was pro-town, but his main goal was to keep himself alive. Okay, well that changes things.

Actually Porkens, I claimed to be scum in I believe 3 of my 5 games and yes, none of which I was scum. And the reason I'm not claiming to be scum in this game is because I couldn't deal with the fools in my other games.

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I made a simple mistake. We all do.

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Yes, I claimed to be a cop in my last game, which I was. I claimed to be mafia because I hated the people in my game, I know it wasn't a good idea, but I wanted them to lose. And how do my posts make your head hurt?

Sotty, they were fools in a sense that they lynched the wrong people when it was obvious and lost the game because of it.

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vote: ac1983fan

Despite my dislike for Sotty and agreement with don in the sense that he's now posting fluff, he made a good point in the fact that if he is a serial killer, we should lynch him.

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vote: ac1983fan

woops, sorry

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My dislike for you is mainly and pretty much only because no matter what I say or do, you seem to have some beef with me. And the fluff is that he has not really posted anything involving what is happening with the game and just what he thinks, which is good, but not enough.

You killing whoever has the most votes is assuming that you don't get lynched right? Because I don't think serial killers can kill if they're dead.

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I claimed truthfully as a cop in my last game because I always claim what I am because I tell the damn truth in this game. Which is why I would make a crappy mafia member.

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Plox, really?

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Yeah, we can get along, but we still gotta do what we can to win.

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"Plox" is like the most retarded way to say please.

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AC, I don't know why you think that we're gonna lynch you no matter what because don't you only have 2/9 votes vote?

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Yeah, I hate this. Why do people join a game if they are never in it? Even if they post crap, at least they're posting SOMETHING.

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I effed up that night investigating! Btw, does anyone have a suggestion of who I should investigate tonight? [Assuming I'm not lynched or killed.] If not, I'm going to investigate acfan1983 [assuming he is not lynched or killed].

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Yeah, freakin' hilarious, Herodotus. You're saying I shouldn't investigate at all? I realize I may be a paranoid cop, but I would feel better getting some kind of info. And investigating acfan1983 and getting a response saying that he is scum would be like a way of knowing my sanity, I mean, assuming he is scum, which I can agree with anyone who says so.

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Yeah, Herodotus, when I saw "other than that, it would probably be better not to investigate:" I didn't see the colon.

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F.

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Oh yeah, I investigated Porkens and he is apparently guilty. We don't know my sanity, so I don't want to base a vote on that, because we need to lynch mafia every day now, but it seems likely to me that he is in fact scum.

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Archaist, the whole point of my last post was saying that he COULD be scum, but there's also a chance that he is. If I did not tell you of my investigation, you would've felt the same way about him and not voted. I'm not saying he's innocent, but he definitely could be.

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I'm not lying in the sense that it was said that you were guilty, but I very well may be paranoid.

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I never said I was a paranoid cop, I said I could very well be one though. I don't know my sanity, along with the rest of you.

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Doesn't this mean that since I got a "guilty" message, I am either paranoid or insane. I can't be naive because it would've said innocent for anyone.

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If I'm not mafia, then how am I not doc, don?

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That was a simple mistake, I meant cop. I think I most likely said doc, because I afterward wrote "don", which is similar to "doc".

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Herodotus, why is my post in #805 impossible? And I said we should assume I am paranoid, and never said I was, because I don't know and neither does anyone else.

And isn't it obvious that my investigations are useless at this point, but I feel quite comfortable with the results I got on Porkens.

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Because it is a 50/50 chance that you are scum, but this result makes me quite comfortable with voting to lynch you, but I am not 100% sure. I am about 75% sure that you're scum.

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Why would you hope she is scum?

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I do keep my claims consistent, I one time made a mistake in saying the wrong role because it was spelled similar to another word I wrote right after and it has the same amount of letters in it. "Doc" "Don" "Cop"

And the reason I am not voting for Porkens (yet) is because I want to be 99% sure on his role instead of 75%, otherwise it could cost us the game.

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I never claimed falsely, I made an effing mistake when typing, Porkens. Why is that so hard to believe? And if I should've been lynched days ago, why have you never voted for me?

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Eh, I might as well, I don't suspect (or dislike) anyone else as much as I do you.

Vote: Porkens

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Yeah, because it's impossible for someone to make a simple mistake in a game like this. [SARCASM!]

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Oh man. My first win! That worked out so perfectly when Archaist & Jazzmyn voted for Porkens and I voted for him because he voted for me. All that had to be done was don voting for him. And he pulled. Through. Go Don!

And btw, Porkens. That was an honest mistake of me saying "cop" instead of "doc". I never even meant to claim doc, I thought I was posting in my other game where I was a doc, but you guys never would've believed me and lynched me, so I had to play off a mistake as a gameplay move.

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Jazzmyn, I nearly forgot you were scum. You were always in the same mood and tone and I would never have suspected you. HOW DO YOU DO IT?

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meh...