Mini 745 - Moving Day Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Herodotus]

i am pretty sure you mean the opposite of sweet. odd choice of kill, especially considering how suspicious looker's posting was. i sure would like to hear from our "cop".

I would imagine that the mafia figured suspicious posting implied Looker was trying to avoid being nightkilled, or at least would mean Looker wouldn't receive doc protection.
@Porkens: sweet? really?
That said, I'm glad we won't possibly be mislynching them.

mod: I have a bad cold at the moment, and might not be posting a lot during the next few days.

Noted I will not start prods for a couple days anyways.

[Zer0ph34r]

Oh yeah, I investigated Porkens and he is apparently guilty. We don't know my sanity, so I don't want to base a vote on that, because we need to lynch mafia every day now, but it seems likely to me that he is in fact scum.

[Archaist]

This:

Plonky/Porkens:
Post #236: Plonky (now Porkens) wrote
Plonky wrote:
Lynching an anti-town player doesn't make sense when trying to catch scum. It is possible to ignore him and focus on the real targets.
The real targets? This sounds to me like he knew killa seven wasn't mafia.
Post #271: Plonky (now Porkens) wrote
Plonky wrote:
Especially since we are targetting an annoyance rather than actual scum.
Again this makes it seem like he knew killa seven wasn't actually mafia.
Post #302: don_jhonson makes more good points about how Plonky (now Porkens) seems to have known killa seven was town.
Post #395: Hammers killa seven pretty quickly.

Combined with this:

sweet

And this:

Oh yeah, I investigated Porkens and he is apparently guilty.

Leads to this:

Vote: Porkins

[Archaist]

^ EDIT: Misspelled my vote

Unvote
Vote: Porkens

[Porkens]

@Porkens: sweet? really?

That said, I'm glad we won't possibly be mislynching them.

Hella

sweet.

[don_johnson]

balls to the wall. i would really rather not believe that porkens is scum, but it is hard to ignore the evidence. my bigger suspects have faded. i would say scumporkens is our best bet.

vote: porkens

[Porkens]

Wait wait, are you counting Zer0's report as "evidence?"

[Jazzmyn]

sweet

Hella

sweet.

What the?

Porkens, care to explain these posts?

Regards,
Jazz

[don_johnson]

not me. in fact, the "sweet" doesn't count for me either. i found plonky suspicious and gave you somewhat of a free pass when you came in. you fit the somewhat "scummy" voting pattern of being in conspicuous places for both lynches(as, in fairness, do i). you called your scum team yesterday, why come out with nothing more than a weak comment to start day 3?

[Porkens]

"sweet" as in "oh good, now I don't have to scratch my head worrying about letting looker active-lurk his way to victory."

What did you

think

I meant?

[Zer0ph34r]

Archaist, the whole point of my last post was saying that he COULD be scum, but there's also a chance that he is. If I did not tell you of my investigation, you would've felt the same way about him and not voted. I'm not saying he's innocent, but he definitely could be.

[Archaist]

Zer0ph34r's investigation by itself certainly isn't enough evidence to vote Porkens. Combined with my other points however, I believe it is enough to merit a vote for now.

Porkens, why did you not dispute Zer0ph34r's investigation results? Also

"sweet" as in "oh good, now I don't have to scratch my head worrying about letting looker active-lurk his way to victory."

What did you think I meant?

No matter if he was a lurker or not, losing the doctor is never good for the town.

[don_johnson]

meant to post more last night but got sidetracked and sent to work. ugh.


role claim: jack of all trades, three one shot abilities

night one, i watched herod and i believe i was blocked. recieved a message stating i was unable to perform my action. sent mod a pm to clarify and recieved exact same message a second time.

night two, tracked zero. he indeed visited porkens. this lends no credibility to his investigation results, but it means he is telling, at the very least, a partial truth. i think he is paranoid cop.

third ability: one shot vig.

i believe we are looking at a three person scum team in the way of:

porkens
sotty7
jazzmyn/herod

i would like to hear more from others, however, i am happy lynching porkens. well, i can't actually say happy. i like porkens and i wish he weren't scum, but i can't deny my gut this far into a game.

the fact that porkens hasn't been steamrolled to a lynch also strengthens my convictions.

[don_johnson]

ebwop: dammit. foiled myself.

unvote, vote sotty7

porkens can't be scum roleblocker. i'd rather have a chance to hit roleblocker since i've let on to my third ability.

[don_johnson]

sorry for the multi post.

unvote

i need to check with the mod on this. not sure if i am right in thinking porkens can't be rb. my suspicions still stand. i am going to pm mod and go to bed. i will check back in tonight.

[Sotty7]

balls to the wall. i would really rather not believe that porkens is scum, but it is hard to ignore the evidence. my bigger suspects have faded. i would say scumporkens is our best bet.

vote: porkens

Who are your bigger suspicions?

ebwop: dammit. foiled myself.

unvote, vote sotty7

porkens can't be scum roleblocker. i'd rather have a chance to hit roleblocker since i've let on to my third ability.

Wait, what? Why am I number for your vote? From what I see Porkens could very well be the RB for all we know.

A quick lynch is not what we want right now. Zero has a guilty on Porkens and he has acted scummy but if there is a three man team we have to be really careful because this is lylo. Ideally I would like discussion

before

votes regardless.

Right now my top suspicions are Porkens, Jazz and Hero. This is mostly gut right now, I'm going to have to look back though the thread to see if it is warranted or not.

Again I ask that we slow down. This is potentially lylo, not the time for fast action.

[Porkens]

Porkens, why did you not dispute Zer0ph34r's investigation results? Also
Porkens wrote:
"sweet" as in "oh good, now I don't have to scratch my head worrying about letting looker active-lurk his way to victory."

What did you think I meant?
No matter if he was a lurker or not, losing the doctor is never good for the town.

He already gnashed and lamented over his possible insanity; it was in his damn roleclaim.

Here; I think this is what you're looking for from me;

"Oh no, they killed our doc. We certainly are fucked, now. I can totally see why lurker, I mean looker, lurked so much; he was trying to dodge a night-kill! Too bad the mafia didn't fall for it, DANG!"

and...

"A cop report on me? Zounds! And it's guilty? OMFG! Zer0 must be lying! Or he's paranoid because I'm town you guys! Oh my god, what a cruel twist of fate!"

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@Don; why, exactly, can't I be a roleblocker?

night two, tracked zero. he indeed visited porkens. this lends no credibility to his investigation results, but it means he is telling, at the very least, a partial truth. i think he is paranoid cop.

and

porkens
sotty7
jazzmyn/herod

i would like to hear more from others, however, i am happy lynching porkens. well, i can't actually say happy. i like porkens and i wish he weren't scum, but i can't deny my gut this far into a game.

...don't add up.

[Zer0ph34r]

I'm not lying in the sense that it was said that you were guilty, but I very well may be paranoid.

[don_johnson]

i am wrong, porkens could still be roleblocker.

Who are your bigger suspicions?

i listed them. both you and porkens seem most probable. You both replaced sketchy players with cases against them.

Wait, what? Why am I number for your vote? From what I see Porkens could very well be the RB for all we know.

yes, you are correct. as i said before, you and porkens run highest on my probable scum list.

Zero makes the town list for being honest.

EA/Archaist read town. EA's entire play seems extremely unabashed and reads vanilla townie as far as i can tell. I also doubt scum would be out voting early on day 3 in possible lylo.

Jazz/Hero read town, but both chimed in against the roleblocker claim which made me suspicious yesterday. i'll have to reread some.

Porkens: what doesn't add up?

[Porkens]

You said that you ' think <Zer0> is a paranoid cop.'

You then said that I'm scum.

Don't you see something wrong with that?

[don_johnson]

You said that you ' think <Zer0> is a paranoid cop.'

You then said that I'm scum.

Don't you see something wrong with that?

"paranoid" always gets a guilty. his investigation results are not what i am basing my suspicions off of. so, no. if i were claiming to believe his results, then i think there would be something wrong with that.

[Porkens]

if i were claiming to believe his results, then i think there would be something wrong with that.

i think he is paranoid cop.

[Archaist]

I think what Porkens is trying to say is that if you believe someone's role, you have to then believe their results. If don_jhonson's claim of "jack of all trades" is correct, then he does indeed know that Zer0ph34r visited Porkens. That alone, however, is not enough to make don_jhonson believe that Zer0ph34r is a paranoid cop. Zer0ph34r could be any number of roles such as a tracker, watcher, role blocker, etc.

porkens can't be scum roleblocker.

not sure if i am right in thinking porkens can't be rb.

What made you think one way and then the other?

[don_johnson]

and?

if zero were scum, why would he be truthful about where he went?

if q21 was cop, don't you think there's a high probability that a second cop would be somehow skewed?

believing his claim and believing his results are two separate issues. why do you choose to combine them?

[don_johnson]

I think what Porkens is trying to say is that if you believe someone's role, you have to then believe their results. If don_jhonson's claim of "jack of all trades" is correct, then he does indeed know that Zer0ph34r visited Porkens. That alone, however, is not enough to make don_jhonson believe that Zer0ph34r is a paranoid cop. Zer0ph34r could be any number of roles such as a tracker, watcher, role blocker, etc.

porkens can't be scum roleblocker.

not sure if i am right in thinking porkens can't be rb.

What made you think one way and then the other?

maybe i am not speaking on this correctly. i don't think he's lying about his results, but i am not suspicious of porkens because of the investigation results. to me they are of little value. no matter who a paranoid cop investigates, they get a guilty, correct? i believe porkens to be scum, but not based on the investigation AT ALL.

my thoughts on rb were as follows: i was not sure if tracker results would mention whether or not the player visited was necessarily "home" or not. i.e. i was under the impression that because i "saw" zero visit porkens, it meant porkens was at home(not out nk'ing or roleblocking). mod clarified and you are both right. the only way mod says i would have not witnessed what i witnessed was if porkens roleblocked zero. so porkens may be roleblocker. but i can't be sure. hero, jazz, and sotty all took part in the rb speculation yesterday i believe. and i want to reread that section to see if anything sticks out.

If don_jhonson's claim of "jack of all trades" is correct, then he does indeed know that Zer0ph34r visited Porkens. That alone, however, is not enough to make don_jhonson believe that Zer0ph34r is a paranoid cop. Zer0ph34r could be any number of roles such as a tracker, watcher, role blocker, etc.

understood, but again, if zero is mafia aligned, why would he be truthful? my speculation took me in the direction of a possible "godfather" role. paranoid cop would make alot of sense in that direction. i done confused myself, i think.