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In post 1266, farside22 wrote:Cephrir: what do you think of ace?
I'm on page 20 and I'm pretty sure he hasn't posted."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1347, Solar Wind wrote:Was there something specific you wanted?
Not really, I just think you'd be easier to deal with at present because you aren't throwing a fit and S&S has taught me not to even try reading F-16."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1340, FourTrouble wrote:In post 1265, Cephrir wrote:These are both townposting and, surprisingly, I find myself agreeing with them. I'm agreeing with FourTrouble guys, I think we've entered the twilight zone.
Why is agreeing with me surprising?
In both our previous games, I have found your thought processes to be counterintuitive / opposite the way I think as town. I thought you might turn out to be the kind of player I just tend to butt heads with all the time. But maybe I just needed to be town."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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You're really going to make this impossible for me aren't you.
As tempted as I am to make cryptic statements that could help explain my actions and probably lead to you pushing me on it until I say more than I should, I'm going to stonewall the conversation here in the interest of everyone's emotional health."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1368, Solar Wind wrote:Sorry, you're gonna have to explain because I'm not seeing some revelation here that explains your thoughts. This isn't out-of-game stuff.
Yes it is"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1369, FourTrouble wrote:In post 1345, Cephrir wrote:Why? I would love an answer that involved meta.
Answer that involves meta: F-16's emotion and timing.
I'm sure you can guess that I'd like more than this. He was plenty emotional in S&S."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Alright, I'm gonna phrase this as nicely as I can.
I like you. I really do. But when it comes to Tammy, based on my observations in games and some discussion thread somewhere, I think you've been a bit of a dick to her. So I interpret the continuing spat as primarily your fault. That's why I told you to stop.
I haven't been talking about it because I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but you're very insistent."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1396, FourTrouble wrote:In post 1372, Cephrir wrote:In post 1369, FourTrouble wrote:In post 1345, Cephrir wrote:Why? I would love an answer that involved meta.
Answer that involves meta: F-16's emotion and timing.
I'm sure you can guess that I'd like more than this. He was plenty emotional in S&S.
I haven't read that game so my read isn't based on that. When I say emotion, what I mean is, first that F-16 is a very emotional player, and second, because of that F-16 has certain emotional characteristics that I don't think he'd ever replicate as scum without having them pointed out by someone else, because they're so understated and genuine and thus go unnoticed. For example, in Mafia on the air, there was a point where Tammy said F-16 would really hate to mislynch me -- that emotion was 100% genuine town emotion, because it's based on F-16 mislynching me a lot (like almost every game we played for over a year until more recently). That kind of emotion also lines up with F-16's feeling bad about mislynching, which is of course null, but it was more particular in my case, so it needed expression, and that the particukarity of the enotion is what made it so understated yet genuine. There wasn't any manipulation involved, which is typically the case with the expression of scum emotions.
Would he not, theoretically speaking, know that you would expect that? (You don't have to bother answering this question, as I no longer need to get a read on him, and in fact never mind you've pretty much addressed this below)
In post 1396, FourTrouble wrote:There are a few similar moments in this game. F-16's first post, saying "holy fuck we drew town" and then asking if I was town is one of them. Of course, any scum can fake that but I know F-16 had just played with me as scum on a different site, and it kinda sucked because we both prefer playing with each other as town, and it sucks having to deceive one another, so that felt like a genuine emotion that needed expression in relation to a recent game we played. His follow up, wanting to immediately start scumhunting before the game has started just adds to that; you could telll F-16 was excited to play this game, and that's not something he'd feel as scum (might express it, to be sure, but his approach felt genuine). Admittedly, much of this is intuition at this point, but I've played a lot of games with F-16 so it's hard to explain.
The other thing here was F-16's response to Tammy's concerns earlier, starting in 532. F-16's town emotion is on full display. I'll explain that later tonight when I get home if you want; at the moment too busy to reread and explain those posts in-depth.
I'm completely fine with this explanation. With context, the statements you're citing move from random garbage anyone could say to actually having a particular reason to be said in this game right now versus any other time.
The stupid little argument we just had had one positive outcome, which is that he's probably town. However, I also like your explanation a good deal (it's really, really obvious you're actually analyzing him), which reinforces my existing townread on you. So basically, I'm not too worried about either of you right now except insofar as he's going to continue harping on the past two pages and I'm going to get increasingly frustrated by it.
In post 1398, Solar Wind wrote:Players of SMITE Role Madness, pick the odd one out. I even separated them with spaces.
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Yes, that sure is different from the things other people said?
This just in everyone, all townies react in the same manner to everything all the time always.
In post 1399, Solar Wind wrote:@ FT, I really don't care about you explaining to Ceph why I'm town because I am town and you are town. I really want to focus more on Ceph's actual alignment.
I'm a person too. I have questions. You don't run FT."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I'm getting off work. Will probably only be responding to current things for the rest of the day. I try to save catchups lately so I have something to do at work. But it's possible I'll continue if I'm really feelin' it. Or, more likely, if the people who usually distract me are busy."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1413, Solar Wind wrote:sorry to hear about your dog eyestott.
Hey so this is ffery.
Ceph, what is your Mastin read?
I'm leaning town right now, but I still have quite a few pages to get through.
Tammy don't leave, most of us love you"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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While everything is still fresh for me (p. 45):
I currently am townreading: FT, Imperium, Solar <--- I'm not planning on revisiting these for a fairly long time. I fully expect the game to arrange itself so that I never need to. Chances of them and me all not being shot are pretty slim.
Further townreads: Bitmap, Xombie, Metal Sonic, Rach, beastcharizard (don't ask b/c I'm not sure)
Somewhere in the middle (these ones aren't in order) are AP, Mastin, Brantz, Blonde, ZZZX, PV, farside, Mask, Ank, TSO, vezok, Vyse.
Somewhat icky people include House, ooba, ace, TD."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1471, Solar Wind wrote:@ Ceph, why exactly do you want to hug AP?
Because angst"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1326, ooba wrote:Restating the Fourtrouble case:
- Both scum and town move votes
- But I've seen scum be in this mindset 'I'm moving my vote from X to Y. Better let people know I haven't forgotten about X'. This protects them from cases later on, when people state 'Oh. You totally wagon hopped and forgot about X'. Call it a pre-emptive defence.
Now that by itself is a weakish-tell, but
- FourTrouble's done that twice. He mentions how he hates taking pressure off vezok to vote TD. He mentions Ceph\mantis again when voting TD for second time.
- His reads\cases seem to attack the townie under suspicion and not mention others. Basically, I think he's pushing those who scum would push.
Also, beast and one of {Mask, me, iHouse} have lost our vote.In post 1279, dramonic wrote:Votecount 13: Anyone? ._.
FourTrouble (2): The Mask, Ooba, iHouse
iHouse (0): beastcharizard
In post 1267, Cephrir wrote:In post 417, ooba wrote:Town
13. Solar Wind (F-16_Fighting_Falcon and fferyllt)
16. Imperium (Tammy and Nacho) - Times where I had my doubts and still do - town for now though.
23. Bitmap
Please put pressure on fourth. Good chance we might have scum there.
19. Ankamius
Townish
1. Angrypidgeon - I hope he's town. Like his tone. Also not sure where he's going with the house push - but not sure if scum would choose to push that avenue right now. High level scum players might - so I'm not sure.
21. House - Not strong but leaning town for claim.
17. RachMarie - Weak town - no particular reason.
Null but some thoughts
2. Metal Sonic - Did not like the entry to the thread. Then the 'let's out all neighbourhoods' was town. The leadership\posting after that was town - his list had too many town reads. [But Solar Wind had a similar list - so idk]. Can't call him town for now.
24. Xombie - I can't really place the current vote on MS. Would scum really do that?
I can't tell what this post is trying to say about Ankamius.
Would like to know if, by omission, this means you have no doubt at all about Solar Wind.
The description re: Metal Sonic sounds like a townread, so it's curious that it isn't one.
I may appreciate something else in this post because reasons, but I will need to check something. Don't expect me to follow up on this and don't ask about it.
- Ankamius is strong town. The line "Please put pressure on fourth. Good chance we might have scum there." was directed towards the top three asking them put pressure on the fourth member in their neighbourhood. I didn't know it was TD then.
- I didn't omit Solar Wind. They're right at top as town
- Still have issues about Metal Sonic. I think his alignment will become obvious as the game goes along.
@iHouse: I don't think they're distancing.
Okay, this moves us from 0% super-ooba levels up to about 10% super-ooba levels. Even seeing a glimmer of this before I started alluding to it makes me feel a bit better. I almost voted you last post, but am now comfortable letting you slide at least for today. I think more to work with will also help you.
In post 1331, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1230, Cephrir wrote:I think FT is town! I am not going to give F-16 an easy read ever again
What is this a reference to? :S I only know of Serum and Steel re F16 scum games.
That's the one. And yet here I am giving them a pass for F-16's posts. But I think the circumstances are extenuating.
In post 1332, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1265, Cephrir wrote:WTF. Your strongest read is Bitmap for referencing a song.
Really, Ceph, are you asking about it or telling me what it is? I thought Bitmap just ...looked town early game. He was doing his own thing and his posts read like he didn't give a shit how he came across. I think this should have been obvious to you.
I frequently use periods instead of question marks for some kind of reverse emphasis or something.
It wasn't obvious to me, but that's come across to me in his later posting, so I can accept you seeing it before I did.
The rest of this post hit some town notes.
In post 1427, Imperium wrote:Oh Ceph - I remember what I was going to respond to. You might not care anymore because I think you have Rach as town now anyway, but the first thing I did when I saw the outcome of the anyone game was to ask Nacho how sure he was of his each town markers. He still feels confident in his town read there and thinks she's more town here than she was there anyway.
That actually does make me feel better.
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In post 1470, Cephrir wrote:While everything is still fresh for me (p. 45):
I currently am townreading: FT, Imperium, Solar <--- I'm not planning on revisiting these for a fairly long time. I fully expect the game to arrange itself so that I never need to. Chances of them and me all not being shot are pretty slim.
Further townreads: Bitmap, Xombie, Metal Sonic, Rach, beastcharizard (don't ask b/c I'm not sure)
Somewhere in the middle (these ones aren't in order) are AP, Mastin, Brantz, Blonde, ZZZX, PV, farside, Mask, Ank, TSO, vezok, Vyse.
Somewhat icky people include House, ooba, ace, TD.
Changes:
ooba to null
gap between House and Ace is now larger
AP and Mastin can be in the townread section.
TSO to mild scum for detachment, which slipped my mind at first.
Attempt to order my null section:
vezok>Ank>ZZZX>farside>Vyse>{Brantz Blonde PV}>Mask
I'd vote ace or TD right now. They're both scum."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Presumably my walls include at least a couple of the instances where something you've said bugged me, though I didn't quote every single post everyone made that pinged me in a direction. However, other townreads of mind disagree, and I'm certainly not interested in pursuing you right now, though I think they've given your claim too much credit. I put rather little stock in things like that."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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In post 1525, TiphaineDeath wrote:Tell me, cephrir my friend, in what sane universe are me and AOS both possibly scum?
What on earth makes that impossible, or even particularly unlikely?
In post 1540, FourTrouble wrote:In post 1433, ooba wrote:FT, Could you link to this game please?
Yes, I can. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=59051. Also take a look at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=59052.
In post 1434, Cephrir wrote:You don't mean Mafia on the Air do you? That's a pretty bad example of what I'm capable of.
Yes, that is a pretty bad example of what you're capable of. Tales is a better example; I thought you were town there. But your overall approach -- what I'm calling "calculated manipulation" but really just means you drop lots of fake, understated town-tells, plus a bunch of apparently genuine emotions -- is the same in all the games I've read.
Fair enough.
Yeah, 80% of the time my scum emotions are genuine. I don't find the cog dis particularly difficult.
In post 1554, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 1469, Cephrir wrote:noting this for later in this post
Where were you going with this?
I thought I alluded to it a few quote stripes later?
In post 1566, Aeronaut wrote:He just gave a soft an agreeable answer.
@Solar, well, in the neighborhood, he asks BRantz and my predecessor to claim their roles, and then hardcore avoids claiming his own. When pestered, he says Jack of all Trades, which means he can Roleblock, Protect, and superprotect, whatever that means.
He used his "daycop" to try to incriminate Xombie casually
Why, do you really think he's a daycop?
I got the impression somewhere that you were more experienced than this demonstrates.
I kind of can't believe you thought outing his other claim was a good idea, though I also can't believe he claimed, and given the layout of my role I would not be surprised if he was lying.
In post 1571, Aeronaut wrote:So he's obviously lying about at least one of those roles. It's not like he felt safer in the hood, he even said that he thought scum was in it a few times.
I don't see a scenario where he feels the need to fake claim early D1.
Not to mention, he explicitly tries to fake a guilty on Xombie.Where is the town motivation for that?
everywhere"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener