In post 970, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Hi guys. I've been loosely following the game. Based on feedback from past games, I'm going to try something different. I'm not going to overexplain my townreads and POE from there but rather bring the focus to my strongest scumread in this game: Cephrir (ChandraNalaar).
I'm massively shocked and surprised that Cephrir hasn't already been lynched. He's playing exactly how he would play as scum.
Yeah, about that. Frankly, my record at reading Ceph is better than yours. I'm not saying you're absolutely wrong...but I'm not seeing even remotely what you are. And that really says something. Like, the entirety of your reasoning for this is exactly things that are NOT my experience with Ceph, at all, when he's scum. Chandra could be scum. I will fully admit it's possible that under this name and this style (which is distinctly different), it was easier to slip by. I will fully admit that while my accuracy at reading Ceph has been higher, that doesn't mean I'm necessarily right about my townread there. (He's not one of my 100%-readability players, and I
have
been waffling on him.)
But I will say that when Ceph's town, I've typically been able to work that out, and when Ceph's scum, I've not only been able to work it out but one of the ONLY ones in whichever game to have done so. And I'm not seeing the scum Ceph here at all, really. There's minor things here and there that ping. Little bits that tick--but whenever he's been scum before, it wasn't just small pings; it was MASSIVE things that felt
off
. And while not everything feels on, while I still have doubts keeping Chandra from being a strong townread...
...Mainly the only realistic way I can see Chandra being scum is if Ceph tailored his scumplay to me specifically (admittedly not impossible since he knows how to tailor his scumplay frighteningly well), and have it actually WORK. (Just because you try to tailor your scumplay doesn't mean it actually will work and people won't pick up on the truth.) Or cosmic coincidence. Basically lotsa stuff similar to my zMuffinman read. I could be off. I could be wrong. It could be a massive mistake...but I really, really don't think it is, not with everything I know of Chandra as Chandra if nothing else.
To give an idea of the type of manipulation Cephrir is good at, it basically involves making arguments that will resonate with the most influential players in a game. In this game it is clearly xMuffiman, Trustworthy, and to some extent Pixel assuming none of them are scum with him.
Like...you're avoiding so much as really mentioning me, F-16.
It is really obvious Cephrir is scum here and I am shocked that people haven't wagoned the fuck out of him.
Maybe because what you're saying doesn't make sense and really doesn't resonate with me, at all. You've gotten some things. Like early posting that's defending others, essentially. Things like that, which did hit. But saying those are good points ignores the rest of the content in Chandra's posting, in which Chandra basically is being...well, really, really good at showing townposting. It's not just raising good points. I know all too well Ceph can raise good points as scum. It's that the overall vibe around Ceph is just so...town.
I'll post the rest of my case later tonight if people still want more but this guy seriously needs a wagon on him.
Frankly, I'd be more willing to wagon
you
than Chandra.
And Chandra was lower on my townslot than yours was.
Because I do NOT like this change in your style from you. At all.
LEAST of all when it directs attention onto a player like Chandra.
