SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[FourTrouble]

That was me trying to figure out his alignment.

[Solar Wind]

Okay. Nvm. I need to head out btw.

[Cephrir]

Spoiler: Cephrir tries to hold his head up through the battering storm

Oh.. they're inactive. Ok and yeah, this is my second game on this site and you guys seem to all play different from the others I've played with. But I'll change my vote then,

VOTE: Solar Wind

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I dunno. I'd probably want to meta dive for similar events if it had been you or someone else where data might be available. I'm leery of assuming that everyone reacts the same way because it caused two mislynches and a town loss when someone assumed there was one right way to react to being fake guiltied.

But my problem is that Xombie doesn't have any previous games and you're assuming as a result, his reaction was townish.

Townposting.

Vezo how the h e double hockey stick does the fact I pick my fiance's favorite color prove I am town?

I need to see more from Pere before I put him in a pile, I admit I tend to read him as scum and have a bit of confirmation bias with him.

Townposting, finally.

Hi, have some reads.

farside's PV vote is town. I didn't like the PV post right before it either, but that's primarily because I don't like anything he's posted recently. They all feel like he's trying to cherrypick things that look like he's doing something but don't actually do anything.

Not a fan of mastin right now. Something about this post bugs me and I can't put my finger on what exactly.

RachMarie is probably town. She's usually difficult for me to read (I actually don't know if I've ever been able to read her before at least a couple day phases have passed), but I'm feeling town tingles from her engages. Solar Wind feels kinda sorta town for the Rach read too; partially for the read but more because of the way he put it out there. I'm wary about it because of the focus shift to other reads instead of continuing mastin's engage. It could be scum trying to probe at the read and planning to back off immediately, but it's less likely than a town engage due to how vague mastin's response was + mastin already leaning scum.

Bitmap is town.

I'm torn on Imperium. I tend to townread Nacho's posts and scumread Tammy's posts this game. I'm somewhat torn on Nacho further since I believe he's played with me enough to have an idea of what makes me tick (iirc the only completed games we have were him as scum and me as town, and both times he used different strategies against me), and the way he went about interacting with/about me feels town. It's nothing concrete and I have a method of reading him that will eventually give me a stronger read. The main issue is Tammy in that her posts ping scum when they ping anything at all, but I have a feeling in the back of my head that the more emotional type of play (at least compared to Nacho) is ringing a false positive. Can anyone who knows how to read her help me solidify this?

Metal Sonic feels so null it hurts.

iHouse's engage with Metal Sonic gives me light pings. Noting the slot down as a person of interest.

This was also pretty good. You can stop being a scumread.

"So null it hurts" K, ank is scum too.

No u.

Ok i'm here. Finished reading too. Just dumping my thoughts.

First, to xombie's and someone else who i can't remember thing about neighborhoods. Yes plural. This isn't a new mechanic is it? Been done before. Don't think so. Yes they (plural) help me.

MS is pretty much almost obvitown. Idk much about him though.

Bitmap Rach Ihouse imp and solar wind are also fairly strong townreads.

xombie i'm reserving judgement on.

Everyone else is almost as lurky as me. Except in a few cases

Read vezok ISO. Strong townread.

I'll iso the other guys in a moment too

How did you find my ISO so town? What made me a strong townread for you by just reading my ISO?

What a great question!

Liking mastin for scum.

Not providing reasons for the majority of her reads is pinging me pretty hard.

I'd like to introduce you to mastin. As someone who has been down that path (and harped on mastin all game for not giving reasons... guess what my alignment was!), let me tell you that understanding mastin is basically a spiritual experience, not a logical puzzle. I'm guessing you've not played with her.

[Cephrir]

Why? I would love an answer that involved meta.

Answer that involves meta: F-16's emotion and timing.

I'm sure you can guess that I'd like more than this. He was plenty emotional in S&S.

I haven't read that game so my read isn't based on that. When I say emotion, what I mean is, first that F-16 is a very emotional player, and second, because of that F-16 has certain emotional characteristics that I don't think he'd ever replicate as scum without having them pointed out by someone else, because they're so understated and genuine and thus go unnoticed. For example, in Mafia on the air, there was a point where Tammy said F-16 would really hate to mislynch me -- that emotion was 100% genuine town emotion, because it's based on F-16 mislynching me a lot (like almost every game we played for over a year until more recently). That kind of emotion also lines up with F-16's feeling bad about mislynching, which is of course null, but it was more particular in my case, so it needed expression, and that the particukarity of the enotion is what made it so understated yet genuine. There wasn't any manipulation involved, which is typically the case with the expression of scum emotions.

Would he not, theoretically speaking, know that you would expect that? (You don't have to bother answering this question, as I no longer need to get a read on him, and in fact never mind you've pretty much addressed this below)

There are a few similar moments in this game. F-16's first post, saying "holy fuck we drew town" and then asking if I was town is one of them. Of course, any scum can fake that but I know F-16 had just played with me as scum on a different site, and it kinda sucked because we both prefer playing with each other as town, and it sucks having to deceive one another, so that felt like a genuine emotion that needed expression in relation to a recent game we played. His follow up, wanting to immediately start scumhunting before the game has started just adds to that; you could telll F-16 was excited to play this game, and that's not something he'd feel as scum (might express it, to be sure, but his approach felt genuine). Admittedly, much of this is intuition at this point, but I've played a lot of games with F-16 so it's hard to explain.

The other thing here was F-16's response to Tammy's concerns earlier, starting in 532. F-16's town emotion is on full display. I'll explain that later tonight when I get home if you want; at the moment too busy to reread and explain those posts in-depth.

I'm completely fine with this explanation. With context, the statements you're citing move from random garbage anyone could say to actually having a particular reason to be said in this game right now versus any other time.

The stupid little argument we just had had one positive outcome, which is that he's probably town. However, I also like your explanation a good deal (it's really, really obvious you're actually analyzing him), which reinforces my existing townread on you. So basically, I'm not too worried about either of you right now except insofar as he's going to continue harping on the past two pages and I'm going to get increasingly frustrated by it.

Players of SMITE Role Madness, pick the odd one out. I even separated them with spaces.

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Yes, that sure is different from the things other people said?

This just in everyone, all townies react in the same manner to everything all the time always.

@ FT, I really don't care about you explaining to Ceph why I'm town because I am town and you are town. I really want to focus more on Ceph's actual alignment.

I'm a person too. I have questions. You don't run FT.

[T S O]

I very much think F-16 is town for posts on page 55.

[T S O]

If it is F-16 - the Solar Wind hydra is what I'm referring to.

Yeah, that's a pretty strong read.

[Solar Wind]

I have no clue if Ceph is town or scum at this point. I believe his posting was genuine though. So, if he's town, he's telling the truth and if he's scum, he's telling the truth.

I had no idea you had a grudge against me though Cephrir. I was pretty excited to see you join the game and was looking forward to seeing you as town. But if you did, you could just avoid me if you want.

[Cephrir]

I wouldn't call it a grudge... I said I like you

I just think you handled one situation poorly.

[Solar Wind]

But anyone who thinks my arguments with the T-word were my fault seriously needs to do a reality check.

[Cephrir]

I'm getting off work. Will probably only be responding to current things for the rest of the day. I try to save catchups lately so I have something to do at work. But it's possible I'll continue if I'm really feelin' it. Or, more likely, if the people who usually distract me are busy.

[iHouse]

Okay. Reasonably confident you are scum here.

Step back and reset. This isn't shit you should be drawing reads from.

[beastcharizard]

That was very weird to read through.

[iHouse]

Xpost: My 15 year old dog just had some convulsions, and will likely need to be put down. Please understand if my activity is low for a while.
Eyestott

[Solar Wind]

sorry to hear about your dog eyestott.

Hey so this is ffery.

Ceph, what is your Mastin read?

[Imperium]

...I really can't handle this, and I don't know what to do about it. I can't leave it on Nacho right now because he's got stuff going on, but I feel like a used punching bag that's being repeatedly spit on. I just want Ceph to be town because he's being nice to me.

I didn't replace out of multiple games because I was frustrated. I replaced out because I was hydraing with falcon in one game and pushing him as scum in another. I felt like his behavior towards me in the game we were hydraing was a reflection of me pushing him as scum in the other game and I felt compromised, so I replaced out of both. Falcon knows this because we talked about it after the game.

I reported your wall of hate by the way.

Nothing

that I said in the wall was untrue and offensive.

Somehow last night I missed the part where you told me that I'm a horrible person and followed it up a few sentences later with I'm a first-rate bitch.

There's nothing in there that I regret typing or I didn't feel was a direct response to something you did.

I look to the above and the statement that I made last night that there is no coming back from that wall is even more true today.

I can agree not to argue about it anymore so this game can be peaceful.

It would be nice if you'd actually follow up on this.

I just wanted to play a cool role madness game with Nacho. Know that I'm leaving the site once these last few games I'm in are done.

[Cephrir]

sorry to hear about your dog eyestott.

Hey so this is ffery.

Ceph, what is your Mastin read?

I'm leaning town right now, but I still have quite a few pages to get through.

Tammy don't leave, most of us love you

[Solar Wind]

I don't know, I'm basically not played against ffery scum. I really want to though, I've always wanted to try my hand at catching her.

NY 167.

[Cephrir]

That game doesn't count.

[Cephrir]

(It's also why I said basically. But it doesn't count)

[Solar Wind]

I'm finding it difficult to get back into this game.

People are townreading the Mask and I don't really understand why.

I'm kinda townreading mastin.

I need to dig through TD's posts again. I'll work on that tonight.

[Imperium]

Tammy don't leave, most of us love you

Thanks Ceph. I appreciate that.

Just be town and not scum saying something nice to manipulate me

[TiphaineDeath]

Mastin/TAOS still scum, TD still lacking in motivation for massive wall reading, imperium and solar are both town, so is ceph, Four trouble is probably town too, I am distressed that I can vote neither bitmap nor MS, because I would be kinda down for either of them to die today.

[farside22]

Okay back to ace for a moment.

He pointed to an issue with AP, based in 3 post.
He (ace) said my case was in regards to 3 post ace made. Well ace had a total of 3 post for the whole game, his comparison is shit.
Ace brought up not liking ap's point against me. I was saying many already stated an issue, why that is a scum tell is not explained by ace.
Finally ace has an issue with the ms point ap made, but td doesn't find ms, why no comment towards td?

This is where I see ace still as scum. AP gets pressure and suddenly out of the blue here comes ace not liking AP.

[Solar Wind]

You can't be serious. I couldn't stop thinking about this all through class and lunch and it made me so pissed off I wanted to open this game and vent about it. I'm just speechless right now.

[Skybird]

OK, I've read through page 28 now and here's what I think so far:
Town: Bitmap, farside, Imperium
Leaning Town: MetalSonic, SolarWind
Null: House
Leaning Scum: beastcharizard , RachMarie, TiphaineDeath

These are the players that have made an impression through page 28. Back to reading now.