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Got half an hour free so let's see how much of this I can catch up with. Might not be able to manage it since somehow you lunatics have managed to create eighteen whole pages in 5 days. What is this, a large?
I'm the kind of guy who sees more than two posts per person per day and doesn't know why anyone would think that excessive amount of posting is necessary. Then you see people like Flubbernugget who've managed 29 posts already. That is over FIVE posts per day. Where could he possible find the time for that.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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My thing got delayed an hour so I should be able to catch up. Who knows, I might even manage to his TWO whole posts today. A new personal record!
Damn, I actually fell for it and thought you preceding post was serious. Can we have some sort of warning in the post instead of afterwards next time
PJ obvtown.In post 21, PlusJOYED wrote:pt notes: keep glitch alive he townreads me
-He only does it as scumIn post 47, Noraa wrote:
we did that and even made a big chart thingie. But like the prob was that occassionally there were exceptions and he doesnt seem to use the word "fellow" that much even in scum games. And on top of that, the person SRing him was heavily SRed AND on top of that, not all of our town power had claimed so it looked like we were extremely underpowered so we believed his pr claim.In post 45, Trendall wrote:
Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?In post 44, Noraa wrote:Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/
-Except for some exceptions where he does it as town
-He doesn't really do it much as either
uh...
Not a fan of Bob/Flubber p3 interactions.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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This slot is incredibly obvtown (obvious town)In post 77, Staarling wrote:Hi!!! this my first game, ever... So I might take a while to get used to it
It seems strange to me that there were so many votes on Bob before he even said anything. Is Bob the type of player the mafia would want dead?
My theory is that Noora might actually be scared of Bob catching her out so she's trying to get rid of him early and is then hiding it as an excuse of being scared of him being mafia... but I'm going to keep my vote dormant until I'm more sure!
Normally I like self meta but this is pretty eh.In post 95, Glitch wrote:
This is more of a newbie reaction than a seasoned player reaction. I simply asked you a question with a reference to a previous post because it looked like you got a slight miniscule amount of pressure placed on you by Trendall when he asked if anyone could just check bobs meta, and then you quietly showed back up having checked it out. That pinged me; why would it be scummy of me to question you on it? I didn't vote you. I didn't call for a wagon. I simply asked you questions to try and sort you.In post 88, Noraa wrote:
Kinda confused but like the fellow thing had nothing to do with why I went back and checked. It was actually because I was talking about traitors elsewhere can't remember which thread but like someone said that traitors are a mafia member that isn't known to the mafia and the mafia only knows of their existence. I thought a traitor was like basically a RBer or something but Bob was def in the mafia thread from the start that game so I went back and checked and once I saw that I was like oh, huh so he wasn't a traitor. So I thought I'd share.In post 75, Glitch wrote:
Did you do it because of this?:In post 67, Noraa wrote:
yeah. the info's right this time I saw it with my two eyes.In post 60, Glitch wrote:
Did you go back and check the game thread?In post 50, Noraa wrote:Btw I remembered wrong. Bob wasn't a mafia traitor last game. He was just an informed goon.
The traitor was from a different game of mine.
Why did this post put enough pressure on you to make you check the thread? Are you hyper self aware because your scum, or because you're Noraa?In post 45, Trendall wrote:
Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?In post 44, Noraa wrote:Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/
Doesnt really have much to do with being self aware and your attempt to dig into this is a bit concerning and kinda a red flag to me. Consider your past pocketing as cancelled out.
I'm a very aggressive player. I tend to go really hard at people and grill them as town because I need to sort them. This reaction out of you gives me some info but not exactly super helpful info. From what I know of you, this reaction -- which I would describe as newbie (no offense), dramatic, and overreacting to a small, minor push -- seems to be consistent with your personality and playstyle across games. Therefore I don't imagine your response would be AI for you.
With other players I would normally find it a red flag to immediately throw shade on me for pushing them and calling them on something. Because I know you a little bit though I just doubt that your reaction is scum indicative but rather just Noraa indicative.
Why do you think it is scummy for me to see something from you that makes me raise an eyebrow, and to ask you about it pointedly? Also: why are you taking a two-quote post trying to understand you as "flipping out" on you? Don't you think that's a not of a flip out yourself over me trying to sort you?
I don't really like how this sums up to townreads on all the active players (which I don't feel there's enough to justify), not a townread on the most obvtown (new) player in the thread.In post 103, nopointinactingup wrote:@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.
I feel that this is a little bit contrived. It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?In post 46, Trendall wrote:In post 43, Noraa wrote:the question is more why did you not vote in general?By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.
Based on this response to the wagon I'm leaning town on Bob because he's showing scum-hunting intent rather than self-preservation.In post 51, bob3141 wrote:
This blind vote leaves me feeling flubber is town. The fourth vote on the first rvs wagon is almost always from town especially the more blind it is. As scum tend to have trepidation when voting a townie on the first rvs wagon i find. They might vote early or after the ice is broken but not that on the tipping point between being nearer no votes and being near exec.
This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.In post 55, Trendall wrote:
How do you know? I could have figured out who all the mafia are by now for all you know.In post 49, Flubbernugget wrote:t doesn't seem to be doing much
In post 90, Trendall wrote:Agree with what Noraa says in post #88, I thought the same thing too before she said it.
VOTE: Glitch
This feels really sheepish. Which part of Nora's post do you agree with? Why do you think scum-Glitch would necessarily try to push on Nora when you are his biggest suspect?
VOTE: Vote:Trendall
Do you have a record of all this or did you just look it up?In post 114, Trendall wrote:Games where I don’t post a random vote in my first post as town are Newbies 977, 989, 1024, 1053, 1066, 1084, 1793, 1893, and 2035. So I’ve been doing exactly this for about ten years. Which again, anybody could have easily looked up. Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.
In games 1075 and 1094, I place a random vote for people who don’t have avatars, but both of these games are from 2011 and I wouldn’t care about this sort of thing nowadays.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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You know you can make posts with more than one sentence in them right? That page felt 'trying to look really hard to look town'.In post 174, Glitch wrote:Holy crap I posted way more than I thought I did. I'm going to bed now, goodnight friends!
Ok I'm getting hard 'Hectic alt' pings from Staarling's posting now actually. There's just a little too much stuff that feels like a stereotype/parody of obvious new town for me to be 100% sure you're a new player and not another player called Hectic playing under an alt account. You've hit a lot of marks like 'Let's not vote anyone today, lots of words are town, not wanting to play scum, the Noraa avatar thing. Plus Hectic isn't in this game. That's pretty suspicious all on its own.In post 236, Staarling wrote:I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good informationThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Trendell can be town from the 1v1. Glitch to be sorted later.
Backing down from a tunnel? Albert would be ashamed.In post 288, Glitch wrote:
Hmm.In post 278, Trendall wrote:
You've misinterpreted me here, it's not about 'towntells', I don't care about 'tells' generally for reasons I gave in post 255.In post 264, Glitch wrote:[6] - Why don't you care what is and isn't a towntell? Sorting town is just as important as sorting scum. Process of elimination can lead you straight to the mafia.
The player in question I was referring to seemed to think that it was my responsibility to like actively towntell or something. It's the responsibility of the other players to interpret my behaviour correctly, it's not my responsibility to 'act correctly' in accordance to their own personal understanding of how a town player behaves vs. how a mafia player behaves - I'd have no way of knowing what that is.
If a player I think is mafia flips town I wouldn't want to be like 'that's your fault for acting scummy', I would be like 'that's my mistake, I misread the situation'.
What they said to me was ridiculous because they were like...trying to give me advice as to how to look more town or something like that? But I'm not trying to actively act like town, I would never do that, that would just confuse things because that's what mafia are trying to do. I'm just sorta like...playing the game how I play it, and this is outside what that player is used to.
UNVOTE: Trendall
I'm leaning to say this post doesn't come from scum. I'm trying to sort my frustration and read of this slot separate from each other and this post and making me lean a bit away from scum. I'll need to go back and ISO you soon and really evaluate things more deeply, but at this point with a 5-player wagon I think we've gotten more than enough from this wagon and I am not down with shredding you at this point anymore.
whyIn post 347, Staarling wrote:I think Noraa, Glitch, Trendall are all townies
this reads as odd coming from a new person, more evidence it's Hectic
You could also vote people who aren't obvtown. Thanks.In post 353, derp wrote:derp supports the noraa wagon, but derp would also like to see some more from this:
VOTE: plusjoyed
derp thinks u are coasting and u do random call outs that come across more as u trying to throw shade at players without really committing to it (flub) als if derp has to be completely honest he finds the interactions between u and noraa to be really odd and is not a fan of either slot
so dear derp would like to know what ur actual read on flub is
Good. This had better be a wagon by the time I reach page 18.
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Just saw how many posts I've made. I'm so sorry. I guess I'm one of those 'hyperposters' now
Nice reads. Gl recovering.In post 379, Hiraki wrote:Sorry guys - I got into a car accident. Nothing serious and I can continue but I'm not going to be writing anything tonight. I still think Trendall flips town and I feel pretty good about what I read (and read again) on nopoint.
Nopoint.In post 383, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm a Bob. Hello! Sleepy catchup incoming. While I read, somebody come tell me who to vote
Not if you're ineligible for the newbie queueIn post 387, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Should you not have been in a newbie first? Is that not a rule anymore?In post 54, Keita wrote:Just so you all know this is my first forum mafia game. My experience with mafia is with games that take 1-3 hours lolThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Town: Staarling, Plus, Hiraki, Trendall. Maybe Noraa. Maybe Keita (this one because 212 doesn't feel like how new scum would approach a wagon on town (this is also assuming new scum less likely to bus there))
Johnny's entrance and follow up is meh.
Flubber has no depth
Nopoint sus.
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Plus Hectic isn't in any other games and you signed up to two at once around when the other ones he was in were finishing? Pretty suspicious.In post 447, Hopkirk wrote:I'm getting so much paranoia from Staarling having her last online set to off.
Townlean even if it is Hectic, but less than if she isn't.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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There's someone on the site I play a lot with called hectic who's played under around twenty-thirty different accounts at this point - using many of these for 2-3 games then revealing it was him. You give me major 'hectic secretly pretending to be a new player vibes', and hectic almost definitely joined one or two games under new accounts at the exact same time you did - so there's solid circumstance/context based evidence you're secretly hectic.In post 456, Staarling wrote:@Hopkirk: i'm not the player hectic but i'm confused, does this mean you think i'm mafia?
If you aren't secretly hectic you're my strongest townread at say 90% town. If you are hectic then I'm leaning town on you but not as hard.
Do you think staarling is an alt, if she isn't then she feels really really obviously town. I can explain why, but I don't get how you wouldn't see it.In post 463, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Walk me through these pleaseIn post 446, Hopkirk wrote:Town: Staarling, Plus
Plus I'll need to go over when I'm not phoneposting as it's easier to explain/quote that way.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Ok, getting back to this first.
If Staarling isn't Hectic then these posts strike me as sincere newbtown thinking with a viewpoint/perspective on the game that's a lot less likely to come from newbscum (bolded):In post 463, JohnnyFarrar wrote:
Walk me through these pleaseIn post 446, Hopkirk wrote:Town: Staarling, Plus
In post 77, Staarling wrote:Hi!!! this my first game, ever... So I might take a while to get used to it
It seems strange to me that there were so many votes on Bob before he even said anything. Is Bob the type of player the mafia would want dead?
My theory is that Noora might actually be scared of Bob catching her out so she's trying to get rid of him early and is then hiding it as an excuse of being scared of him being mafia... but I'm going to keep my vote dormant until I'm more sure!In post 82, Staarling wrote:Glitch says a lot of people are lock things here. Plusjoyed is lock town and Flubbernugget is lock scum which I think means confident town and mafia reads but et me know if I'm wrong.But isn't this too confident for so early on? I'm not sure what Glitch is seeing to be able to lock these players already. He would be my second person I'm keeping an eye on.
Also if Glitch is mafia I think the reason he's so sure about these reads is because they're actually true so they're obvious to him but not us, if that makes sense, so he sees how plusjoyed is doing something which looks like town to him but doesn't to others, and the same for flubber who's doing something normalbut to him looks like mafia because he KNOWS he's mafia. Does that make sense?
It's the kind of looking at things from weird angles that I can see a new town player thinking about but not really a new mafia player since a new mafia player with these thought processes has to be aware what they'd be thinking as town to get the one step removed thought process, and that's not the vibe I get from Staarling. They're either legit new, or 100% faking new, but they're not 20% new faking being 90% new. I can rephrase this if the wording is confusing.In post 176, Staarling wrote:If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?
If Hectic, townlean based on meta Hectic's mentioned himself that I'm reasonably sure applies to him including under alts.
PLUSJOY
Fairly light since this is mostly a guy/feels like town vibe.
In terms of specifics:
Pinged me as town.In post 21, PlusJOYED wrote:pt notes: keep glitch alive he townreads me
I don't get vibes of Plus setting up any kind of gamestate.
I liked the progression Plus had on Noraa, felt reasonable/could follow it nicely.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Until I started getting alt-paranoia I was getting newbtown pings from staarling so hard that I was starting to SR anyone who wasn't declaring her a universal townread (UTR). What's wrong with the second part?In post 467, Hiraki wrote:
Bad read.In post 442, Hopkirk wrote:This slot is incredibly obvtown (obvious town)
Even weirder.In post 442, Hopkirk wrote:not a townread on the most obvtown (new) player in the thread.
Ok soIn post 468, Glitch wrote:Hopkirk hates how I post and then posts like me lol. Bruh don't ever play with Norwegian if you dont like tons of one liners. Nothing wrong with how we play or post. We may post a lot but it isn't spam and if it weren't broken up it would be wall wars.
I like your thought of Staarling being an alt but your confidence on your TR on that slot is freaking weird to me. I also think your SR of nopoint is terrible and you haven't given any explanation at all. Your TR of Plusjoyed is also super shallow and while I'm trying not to SR you for just having opposite reads than me I am struggling with your reads because there isn't a case you've made on town/PJ or scum!no point.
Hirakis reads are almost all great.
Your opposition to my derp PL is non committal.
You and Trendalls relationship makes me slightly raise an eyebrow.
Noraa yes as I sort through who was on the Trendall wagon I'm clarifying reads and sorting players. And after that you're still my top pick.
Hopkirk what was underwhelming about my self meta?
JUMBLED THOUGHTS EVERYWHERE
- Saying 'I hate hyperposters' then making ten posts in a row and repeatedly commenting on it is meant to be irony/joking. I generally have a couple of hundred posts in a relatively reasonably large game. I don't think I was making the humorous intent here particularly subtle. How were you interpreting my comments?
- If Staarling is an alt then she's still a TR, albeit lesser. Plusoy is a townread, as I explained, but obvtown was an overstatement. As a member of the ABR school of scumhunting I'm sure you're aware how much he suggests calling all of your townreads however slight obvtown and shouting at anyone foolish enough to disagree. You'd be in big trouble if he found out. I won't tell him this time, but you owe me a favour.
- Are you saying my READ or reasoning for my read of NP is bad here? I'm reading your comment as though you're saying scumreading him is terrible here.
- What's your problem with Derp? I didn't comment on any policy-lethal suggestions because why would that be a slot you'd PL? There's nothing wrong with how he's playing this game.
- I normally townread someone after selfmeta. Yours pinged as forced and didn't give me vibes at all. That didn't get you townpoints. Didn't get you scumpoints either, but still didn't get you townpoints.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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What specifically seemed townie about my posting? I need to watch out for buddying.In post 481, PlusJOYED wrote:prod acknowledged.
I've caught up. I think I'm sick though (sinusitis)
Hopkirk seems pretty town.
derp feels kinda scummy. Going for someone for a "cursed post" seems scummy and opportunistic.
Why did you back off Trendall glitch? That's the slot I'm interested in going
If Hectic - the joke here is on the double meaning of 'normal' meaning a typical game, or this style of game (normal rather than theme/micro etc). Nice play on words if intended.In post 486, Staarling wrote:is this how a normal game plays out here? this is confusing :<
I wanted you to join the wagon and wanted to see if you'd join the wagon if I asked nicely. Sue me.In post 503, derp wrote:how dare u call derp out for voting on mr "obv town" +enjoyed and then have such a weak read
me still thinks ur hectic alt read is likely town but me not approve of that call out because now me think u might have tried to pocket additionaldelight
Actually pls don't. My lawyer hasn't quite got his degree yet, plus I've recently developed a worrying addiction to ramming into people's greenhouses with my car. I can't afford another court battle.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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I tried looking at staarlings home site (claimed in a different post on this site) and you'd have to jump through quite a lot of hoops to actually find one of those games. Create account, weird forum layout, guests can't view. Given there's no results from the site when looking for mafia and no dedicated mafia forum on it deepens my suspicions ever further.
I really really hope this isn't hectic because then after the game I'd be able to mention to him how much paranoia he's bred in me and show him how convinced I was that she was him.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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A summary of the evidence @Noraa. It's late here so I might have missed a piece or two.
-Hectic frequently plays with gimmicks under his alts. Including one where he played pretending to be a new player (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83358). I'm fairly sure he mentioned (months ago) one where he pretended to be new and asked a lot of stuff about why no lethal d1 and what omgus means etc, but not sure where.
-Hectic always sets his 'last online' status to off. I'd be surprised if before playing any games, Staarling worked out how to turn this off and turned it off. I don't think they started with an avatar either right?
-Hectic is in no other games under his main right now so is almost 100% playing under an alt somewhere at the moment.
-At least two-three of Hectic's games (under his name, so you'd expect his next ones to be with an alt) right before Staarling signed up for the game.
-Staarling has hit every mark that you'd expect a Hectic parody of a new player to hit including: 'Let's not lethal d1', questions about the edit button and 'what does pregame mean' feeling a bit as though they knew/were asking a lot of stuff to try and look new. Plus a lot of their reasons for suspicions/town reads on people seeming obvnewb simplistic.
-I've never seen someone ask if posts can be edited iirc, so the above pings me a lot as a question I thing fakenew Hectic is a lot more likely to ask than a real new player.
-A lot of the posting pings me as thinking that I could absolutely see Hectic writing it (I know Hectic fairly well irl btw, we've played hundred of hours of mafia together for one).
-Even starting their first post with 'Hi' pings Hectic because we joke about the 'newbie entrance tell' of new scum being more likely to use a h based greeting a lot. Fake/exaggerated new town Hectic would prob use that
-The homeforum thing makes me suspicious about the origin.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Huh. Is this like a Blitz or what have you all been doing with the day.In post 510, Hiraki wrote:FYI deadline is in 2 days.
Derp is confirmed not Hectic based on them playing together elsewhere.In post 518, Noraa wrote:I honestly feel like dear derp is more likely to be hectic than Staarling but idk.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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@Noraa: Does that mean you buy the Hectic-alt case too now, or that you think I'm just ridiculously paranoid?
(bearing in mind I've admitted I'm the kind of person who'd try and check other mafia forums to try and work out if she's Hectic which doesn't look good if I'm arguing not to be really paranoid)
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In post 212, Keita wrote:Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.
I had small townpings from this. It feels like a weird approach for what would be a verynew hence likely weak (especially considering Keita's activity vs those they're attacking) scum to take. I feel like them going on you is more likely to come from town based on their presence to date. Weak read and the rest of the iso barely pings me either way though.In post 331, Keita wrote:Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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If I had to call it now, and I'm glad I don't, (Flubber/Nopoint/Jonny) doesn't seem like the worst solve. Want to focus my thoughts on those three slots and try and get/deepen some existing townreads as priorities at the minute. I townread you btw Noraa, don't know if i mentioned that.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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In post 532, Glitch wrote:
You keep repeating the same thing about me and it's really irritating because you're trying to make look bad with a trash case, and yet it is swaying people's read on me based on inaccurate information (derp being a recent example). You're painting me as this arrogant, hard headed crank, like I think I'm the only one who could be right, and that I refuse to consider other people's perspectives. It's a misrep of how I have played considering that my 1v1 with Trendall ended with me conceding the fact that he made a good point about playstyls. I recognized that I was not fully accurate and had something to learn from Trendall, and yet here we are a week later and you're still going on about how "Glitch just has to be right all the time and if you step out of line then he will SR you." It's honestly bullshit and it pisses me off.In post 528, Noraa wrote:I don't like Glitch or Keita. I'm not gonna even try to engage Glitch rn cuz frankly, its just frustrating and I have no interest spending my time talking to a wall.
So what if Noraa/Glitch/Trendall are all town? I can see that being the case tbh. Townreads on Noraa/Trendall atm. Not 100% on glitch, more towards the town end of the spectrum atm though, and want more thoughts there.In post 534, Noraa wrote:Well I'm sorry but that is entirely how I am seeing this game right now. I just feel like my opinions will be squashed the moment I engage you so I have found zero point in doing so.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Someone said the had a meta read on you for tunneling a lot more as town = townpoints regardless of their alignmentIn post 538, Noraa wrote:
I don't think you have but also more importantly, why?In post 535, Hopkirk wrote:I townread you btw Noraa, don't know if i mentioned that.
You came off as good in the Glitch/Tren tangential stuff
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Woah, I could vote Flubber now then your vote would be sheeping me instead of vice versa.In post 539, PlusJOYED wrote:
am i getting sheeped right nowIn post 529, Hopkirk wrote:How are people feeling about Flubber? He pinged me a couple of times.
Flubber pinged me a few times as really under the radary in the kind of null leaning whatever place a lot of scum seem to lurk.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Tiny good pings on them. If I had to pick then I'd say lurker town. Didn't scumping anywhere
In post 530, Hopkirk wrote:In post 212, Keita wrote:Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.
I had small townpings from this. It feels like a weird approach for what would be a verynew hence likely weak (especially considering Keita's activity vs those they're attacking) scum to take. I feel like them going on you is more likely to come from town based on their presence to date. Weak read and the rest of the iso barely pings me either way though.In post 331, Keita wrote:Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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So your partner got voted out day 2? Was that a good trade?In post 610, Noraa wrote:
no. In my first game on site, my partner cc'ed plus and plus was a fn that game.In post 608, Hopkirk wrote:Just a standard doctor?
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I want to take a look through past normals just in case. Idk much about how they do setup design nowadays.In post 619, derp wrote:hopkirk my dear friend u always vote for the plus something guy here or perhaps the dear and innocent derp
If Plusjoy is scum then his partners are inactive/low activity players since nobody even tried to counterwagon when I offered Flubber/when Noraa was as large a wagon. A good scumteam wouldn't let it get to a scenario where one of them is getting lethaled because town are too low activity to lethal anyone else.In post 620, Noraa wrote:
no matter what the scum team is here, I have a gut feeling that they suck cuz legit half the game is just coasting. Sometimes I feel like theres only like two people playing.In post 618, Hopkirk wrote:If Plusjoy is scum then his team must suckThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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That's what I said. If Plus is scum then he's scum with players who aren't doing anything since his partners would have done something.In post 625, Noraa wrote:
game is legit too dead for any of that shit.In post 622, Hopkirk wrote:If Plusjoy is scum then his partners are inactive/low activity players since nobody even tried to counterwagon when I offered Flubber/when Noraa was as large a wagon. A good scumteam wouldn't let it get to a scenario where one of them is getting lethaled because town are too low activity to lethal anyone else.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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Flubber probably isn't scum if Plusjoy isn't. That's about it for people who got wagoned and aren't scum because of that.In post 629, derp wrote:since derp is nice he will add one more thing before he disappears, hopkirk u need to realise that the counterwagons could in theory have been on scum as welThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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The inclusion of serial killer here could be a scumslip.In ://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12271858#p12271858]post 239[/url], Staarling wrote:So people don't want to skip today? Another problem is that sometimes the longer you play the more people will claim and mafia and serial killer will be able to kill all of the good roles. but if we skip they'll have no clue who it is and those roles can get us some goodies for the next day
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Saying you've 'never played before' is clearly a lie:
In post 77, Staarling wrote:Hi!!! this my first game, ever... So I might take a while to get used to itThere's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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VOTE: derp
If it's two doctors we were screwed from the start by setup norms tbh because in any given game a fake claim is leagues more likely than it being the first one in over a thousand games to break a norm, then the norm breaking game becomes essentially a free win for mafia. I've already voted out one person I townread prior to claims, what's another one.
Two doctors hasn't happened in a normal, as far as I can tell, ever. Duplicate power roles essentially never happens too (unless one is a scum variant). D1 I was feeling like... Is this a two doctor game, I really feel like it could be, but there's no way I'm not voting the cc. If it's two docs then we're just screwed.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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UNVOTE: Derp
So, I think I should have claimed this yesterday before we voting Plus since it's now essentially useless if we've voted out the doctor and are going to vote someone whomight still be a doctor. I was going to claim it, but I realized Plus's vote was the hammer (I was pretty sure it wasn't mine like the VC says at the time, but I haven't verified this) and there was no point claiming after the hammer.
I am the doctor enabler. If I die then any doctors in the game cease being able to protect people.
I want to think about this, but I don't think Doctor/Doctor/Doctor Enabler/Maybe another PR/2-3 mafia maybe including a RB or strongman is impossible.There's no reaching. I've become enlightened.-
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