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[Noraa]

I think the weaker pr claims are believable because stuff that is 1 shot or this hider role really don't add much town power. The stronger ones - doc, enabler, rolecop are what I'm worried about. If Flubber wasn't gated, I would've been pretty sus of him. But he is. Hoppy and Derp town and then all of these makes town kinda powerful. Idk I'm bad at setup spec. Someone help me.

[Flubbernugget]

2 docs + hider keeps the investigatives close to invincible. That's batshit insane

[Flubbernugget]

Most scum fakeclaims are usually something like tracker, doctor, jk. Stuff that they have complete knowledge of the info they provide

[Flubbernugget]

Idk how a scum hider fake claim would work, but that's a pisspoor time to claim hider as scum i would think

[Flubbernugget]

I guess hider has some fakeclaim potential as to why the pr claim(s) are still alive?

[Hopkirk]

Scum rolecip means scum actually have a chance of finding out about the doctors and the possible hider. They need something like this for the setup to be ok.

maybe it's just a pet idea on my part but I still feel like the investigations in this game are set up to throw a lot of false positives on alignment

Literally just your claim you mean since the other investigative is very cut and dry and can't get false results in a non bastard normal?

I am hider with modifier that I won't reveal for obvious reasons. Some PR claims are scum or fake here

Possible. I could see hider working with the docs and the enabler plus gunsmith

Flubber claim fits into the scum team but bit the town PRS. Flubber is really scummy outside of that. Johnny is partner. Will reread stuff but Noraa seems a possible third.

[Noraa]

Death curse just ended. Hoppy, thoughts?

[Flubbernugget]

Scum rolecip means scum actually have a chance of finding out about the doctors and the possible hider. They need something like this for the setup to be ok.

Having to kill 3 prs to get to the investigatives is still batshit insane

[Hopkirk]

Reads

Derp+Glitch - Town trueclaiming
Staarling - Town
Nopoint - Reasonable to be town trueclaiming. I'd lean town with a note to reevaluate based on flips
(Noraa/Trendall) - Probably one scum here. I should reread the interactions at some point. Trendall has been coasting hard post d1 which I've only especially noticed now.
(Flubber/Johnny)- Scumreads

[Hopkirk]

Doc/Doc/-ve utility enabler/One shot X.GS/X.Hider + Scum rolecop + scum goon + scum strongman seems like a reasonable call for the setup

2 docs + hider keeps the investigatives close to invincible. That's batshit insane

How does Hider do anything to boost the gunsmith's suitability?

[Hopkirk]

We haven't had a VC in 5 days, I think this is kind of right:

Flubber – Hop (idk), Derp (1065) Staaring (1109) – L2
Johnny – Trendall (1223) -L4
Derp – Glitch (1137), Flubber (1147) -L3
Trendall – Nopoint (1128) – L2
Not Voting- Johnny, Norra -Wow, its two days to deadline

Flubber voting Derp is a scumclaim.
@Noraa – you know if you’re town you should probably vote before deadline at some point this game.

[JacksonVirgo]

VC 3.1

Flubbernugget (3) -

Hopkirk, derp, Staarling

derp (2) -

Glitch, Flubbernugget

JohnnyFarrar(1) -

Trendall

Trendall (1) -

nopointinactingup

Not Voting (2) -

Noraa, JohnnyFarrar

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to hammer... meaning Flubbernugget is at E-2

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-25 00:00:00)

Mod Notes:

• Apologies for being gone for so long.

[Hopkirk]

I don't understand why anyone would vote Derp here unless they're 100% that Me/Flubber/Nopoint/Glitch are all town.
Doctor/Enabler/Limited Rolecop/X Hider/OS Gunsmith already feels too weak compared to all of the other stuff I've looked through for setups. Taking out one of those without adding the doctor in is a definite nope.

Glitch - why are you still on Derp right now?

Johnny is the other wagon I'd consider.

[Hopkirk]

I need to look at trend/Noraa again because they're not against each other like I thought they were.

[Flubbernugget]

How does Hider do anything to boost the gunsmith's suitability?

I got the hider and bodyguard mixed up, sorry

[derp]

flubber why did u want staarling to claim by the way?

[derp]

derp feels like it has mainly been dear derp, hopkirk, glitch, nopoint and noraa to an extent who have put in an effort this day but derp also thinks its unlikely (mainly because it seems too easy) if all the scum are in flubber, johnny, staarling and trendall, but on the other hand if all of them are town then derp believes this game is lost anyway

derp is however still leaning towards there being at least 2 scum in that pool

actually derp just needs to make sure he has all the claims so one moment

[derp]

okay so this is what derp got

derp: doctor
flubber: even night rolecop
glitchy: 1 shot gunsmith
hopkirk: doc enabler
johnny boy: VT
nopoint: hider with modifier
noraa: VT
staarling: VT
trendall: VT

[derp]

hm so to keep it simple from a setup perspective there has to be at least 1 scum fake claiming VT because 1) it would be ridiculous for all scum to fake claim tprs and 2) setup would seem very imbalanced if there are only two tprs alive now I think

but this goes both ways, it is probably also rather likely that there is at least 1 scum fake claiming tpr

but to follow up on what derp said befoer, he is currently leaning towards there being at least 2 scum in flubber, johnny, staarling and trendall

3 of these are VT claims

[derp]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh derp hates setup speculation because it becomes too much wifom for poor derp

i suppose the main conclusion derp has is that he believes theres more than 1 real VT still alive so derp definitely believes 1 of the claim is fake, which everyone generally seems to agree on actually so not sure where derp was going with this

[derp]

flubber derp asked you earlier if u could provide some reads that were not strictly based on claims and mechanics especially seeing as your initial claim regarding amount of tprs proved to be wrong, u need to provide something more. so lets just ignore the claims just for a brief moment, any reads sir flubber?????????????????????????

[derp]

Before this claim bonanza my scum list was nopo, trendall, derp and maybe hopkirk.

Hopkirk is hard clear

Nopo I'll have to think about because maybe the weirdness i picked up from them was role weirdness and not scum weirdness.

Derp remains the most suspect among the claims

Trendall read remains unchanged

johnny boy my man, why do u think derp remains the most suspect among the claims?

keep in mind that this means that u think the most likely scenario is that a scum hard counter claimed a doc claim near deadline which sure that is a possibility, but walk ur dear friend derp through this

[Noraa]

This game is really just setup spec at this point which I really can't do. Someone that's good should really stand out and make a say right about now.

[derp]

not really true, u dont have to do setup spec, that is kind of a fence sitty stance to take

so actually dear derp will ask u the same thing he asked flubber, if u ignore the mass claim for now, readssssssssssssssssssss?

[Glitch]

i suppose

third person slip, must be caught scum

lolol