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[JohnnyFarrar]

Nvm i guess if the doc is dead it doesn't matter

[Hopkirk]

1.) My role is irrelevant
2.) I can't say 'don't lethal them I have a hunch' without revealing the hunch if I want it to work

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ok so let's talk it out. Do you want to vote derp or no? I understand two docs has never happened. Does that mean it can't happen?

[Hopkirk]

It can happen
It hasn't before
Based on how things happened + my role + a limited number of enablers happening in the past + a hunch + other pr claims giving more info naturally later I don't want the vote on derp.

[JohnnyFarrar]

No derp for now then

[Hopkirk]

I'm going to start rereading stuff. Let's see if my solve of (Flubber/Nopoint/Johnny) holds up

[Hopkirk]

Thinking about it, this would have been such a big brain play from me if I was just a VT fishing to see who'd come out in support of the theory and consequently of Derp when they're given plausible deniability.

Noraa iso still seems fine. The tone is consistently a natural/excited viewpoint.
Keita/TSC too little for a solid read but are slight townleans. Either of them can flip scum without it being a real surprise.
Derp, Staarling, and Trendell I'm town on.
Time to reread Glitch.

[Hopkirk]

Quick look at Glitch's scumgames shows that he essentially hard busses partners in every game. He was attacking all 3 of his partners over the two games I saw. Makes me feel a lot better about the initial worries I was having over Glitch's reads. The iso feels sincere enough and I still want to TR it at the moment.

[Hopkirk]

So overall vibe I get from Flubber is that he's disinterested and trying to fly under the radar. Worked pretty well for him as no momentum built up around him and he caught next to no flack yesterday except from me and Plus.

If that's the case I prefer games where people don't teeter on the edge of throwing

I think they're just shitposting for shitposting's sake. I am interested if beeboy has some game related comments though.

No point quoting a ton of the early posting, but there's essentially no content in it.

that's two ppl making vague noises about glitch/noraa being svs now

Same vibes shine through in midgame. He's just following the game, standing back and letting it happen. There's no attempt or clear intent to get involved and it feels like a classic commentary>analysis approach.

Trendall/Nora pair slightly less likely

Flubber only feels focused on/engaging with a tiny portion of the game. Most of the slots he's not trying to engage with and I don't get any sense he cares about what's going on towards the end of the day. Feels like scum happy with the town inactivity, trying not to rock things, and letting it ride out to a content less end of day. Personally I was getting a lot of flashes of 'oh shit we need to do something soon' towards the end of yesterday and Flubber's posting here specifically sends out strong flashes of not caring about anything like that. I can't tell if he has a read on most of the slots, but he doesn't have any negative interactions with my more ~ slots and they seem to like him in general.

VOTE: plusjoy

Sometimes I like naked votes. Here I don't.
Flubber wagon didn't gain any serious traction yesterday and I didn't like that, felt like resistance.

[Hopkirk]

If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

I love this post ngl.

Hard agree

Quoting for later

[Tinfoil]noraa, glitch, trendall[/tinfoil]

You still looking at these slots, would be interested in a reads update from you.

Echoing hopkirk town, still not sure on starlight, tho. I've seen newbtells, but still see genuinely overwhelmed newbscum as a possibility.

Can I hear some more about your thoughts on Star? I get anti-newbscum pings because if they

are

new then there's no way they're being coached in a scum PT. There's things that actively scream 'nobody is giving her advice in the posting' and she's far too open to putting out sincere sounding ideas/weird thought processes.

Honestly would be more willing to sheep a nopo vote than Flubber, not really sure what you're seeing there.

Still more happy with plus. His fake engagement is real smelly

How are you feeling on NP and Flubber now? I want to know why you wouldn't be happy to sheep there, because the slot had/has no redeeming qualities.

[Hopkirk]

Nopoint feels pretty bad. Anyone want to case the slot for me?

[Hopkirk]

Town: Staarling, Plus, Hiraki, Trendall. Maybe Noraa. Maybe Keita (this one because 212 doesn't feel like how new scum would approach a wagon on town (this is also assuming new scum less likely to bus there))


Johnny's entrance and follow up is meh.
Flubber has no depth
Nopoint sus.

VOTE: Nopoint

Did I solve the game within the first hour though is the real question.

Nopoint there's been a lot of wagon resistance too. Looking through interactions between the trio and its just weird town-neutral reads or stating 'kinda scummy' without follow up. I'm happy looking at those three for a while. A few active partner pings too. Throwing a low activity slot in the pool is is fair too.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Off the top of the dome staarling knowing what a strongman is and not having a consistent story about their experience level makes me nervous, but nothing strong enough to push. I'd push that over flubber, tho, which just feels like a lurker lim. Happy to vote nopo as well, they were one of the first posts I remember pointing out

[Staarling]

i've read a lot of the wiki and the possible powers :>
for example, i can say that trendal used an omgus on Glitch on day 1
also i think there could be more killing powers like a vigilante if there's 2 doctors which seems like a lot,like Hopkirk was saying when he checked games

[Staarling]

i think Hopkirk is definitely a townie and also Johnny too

[Noraa]

also i think there could be more killing powers like a vigilante if there's 2 doctors

Bro. Two doctors + a vigi would be waaaaaay too overpowered I think. Im not a setup spec god but I'm pretty sure that two docs is already like extremely powerful.

[Noraa]

i think Hopkirk is definitely a townie and also Johnny too

Explain the Johnny read.

[Staarling]

why would there be two doctors if only the mafia can kill?

[Staarling]

it feeeeeeels like Johnny is trying to figure things out
do you think he's lying?

[Noraa]

why would there be two doctors if only the mafia can kill?

I'm not sure thats how it works because a vigi would be really messy here. Plus a vigi I hear cuts all other town pr's power down by like a half. Two doctors does not strike me as "cutting down on town power"

[Noraa]

it feeeeeeels like Johnny is trying to figure things out
do you think he's lying?

I dont really hear the "trying to figure things out" part but if you explain it with specifics maybe I'll understand?

[The Slime Collective]

also i think there could be more killing powers like a vigilante if there's 2 doctors which seems like a lot,like Hopkirk was saying when he checked games

The only killing role which can mafia have in normal is babysitter, which... is not that good killing role.
I doubt that mafia has a doctor: 2 town doctors, town doctor enabler, mafia 1-shot strongman is an interesting gimmick.
1-2 town doctors, doctor enabler, mafia doctor, 1-2 town vigies would be overroled.

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[Staarling]

So I don't see a lot of reason for derp scum to hard cc when he did. Mayyyyybe if Trendall or Noraa were his partner but it's a stretch.

Likewise I don't see hopkirk scum outing themselves like this to save derp. I wanna tinfoil here but I don't think it's worth it.

Hopkirk and derp both town.

like this kind of thing

[The Slime Collective]

also i think there could be more killing powers like a vigilante if there's 2 doctors

Bro. Two doctors + a vigi would be waaaaaay too overpowered I think. Im not a setup spec god but I'm pretty sure that two docs is already like extremely powerful.

Vigi is a very powerful role, basically giving town doubleday. Vigi who can shoot only odd/ even nights or n-times is possible in normal. That modifier can exist here.

Double doctor + doc enabler isn't that much stronger than one doctor. You can
a) disable them by one kill
b) doctors are more likely to get hanged after claim

Stop setup speccing, I doubt that there is more info you can get from known roles. Don't lynch hopkirk/ derp and focus on scumhunting

~vanilla ice cream with crème fraîche slime

[The Slime Collective]

So I don't see a lot of reason for derp scum to hard cc when he did. Mayyyyybe if Trendall or Noraa were his partner but it's a stretch.

Likewise I don't see hopkirk scum outing themselves like this to save derp. I wanna tinfoil here but I don't think it's worth it.

Hopkirk and derp both town.

like this kind of thing

This is a very surface level analysis. I believe a significant amount of players on this forum would consider these options if they were in this game. He may be an extrovert or scum trying to look contributing.
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