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[JohnnyFarrar]

So all caught up for the most part. I like Hikari and derp for town.

Trendall would be a great lim today, one because there's a non-zero chance that they're scum but also that would help me read Glitch and Noraa with minor tells on half the PL at this point.

HOWEVER, based on scuminess alone I think I'll VOTE: PLUSLE

[Hiraki]

Agreed on first which is making me sweat a little in that I'm just wrong in going the VI route but I'm going to soak a little more before doing anything. I think that slot needs to be terminated before Day 3 though so a Day 1 isn't the worst case scenario. I just don't see it flipping red.

Nothing about a wagon being in a good position should make you sweat.

I guess? You don't like to try to be right 100% of the time?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is it just the vibe of the wagon you don't like? Or has trendall turned you around somewhere

Also I'll be at work for the next 12ish hours, and the holiday will make me busy

[Staarling]

I think Hiraki is a townie because he writes really long posts which he could've split up if he wanted to which would make him look more active and townier, but he doesn't care about looking that way

[Hiraki]

Is it just the vibe of the wagon you don't like? Or has trendall turned you around somewhere

Also I'll be at work for the next 12ish hours, and the holiday will make me busy

It's both. The sweating is from mislabeling VI to be scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hopkirk replaces MisaTange

[Glitch]

1) I have a ranking at this point. It goes Glitch -> Trendall -> Hiraki - > Everyone null -> you for this post - > nopo -> Plus. With the caveat that if I'm wrong about one of Glitch / Trendall, I'm wrong about both because I don't see them on opposite teams here.

Trendall would be a great lim today, one because there's a non-zero chance that they're scum but also that would help me read Glitch and Noraa with minor tells on half the PL at this point.

What did you read that changed your mind from Trendall being your #2 town read to being "a great lim" for the day?

[Glitch]

Trendall (4) - Flubbernugget, Glitch, nopointinactingup, Keita

Trendall (4) - Flubbernugget, nopointinactingup, Keita, PlusJOYED

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Trendall was the biggest wagon in the game so far. It is unlikely that the largest wagon so far had 0 scum on it. If we zoom into each one of the players who have been on the Trendall wagon, here are each of their takes on Trendall and how they handled that wagon. I am not including mine because it I had a 2 hour 1v1 with him and it would be way too many quotes to post. If you want to read my thoughts and interactions with Trendall, please go to my ISO and the majority will probably be about Trendall.

Spoiler: Flub regarding Trendall

VOTE: trendall

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

Ok but it doesn't seem to be doing much so you might want to rethink your strategy here

1) If you're not being cooperative, then what are you doing? This is mafia. This is a game where you need to figure out if X, Y and Z are scum and then get A, B, C, D, and E to vote for X, Y and Z. If you find X, Y and Z but Y is also making A through E think you are scum, you've effectively done nothing. I honestly smell a lot of miselim bait on your wagon which is why I am super apprehensive on my vote on you. However, you are not helpful to town at the moment.

2) Why does that make Glitch scum? Because they're wrong? Isn't that the exact same point that you're making? Giving up isn't exactly a towntell in anyone's book FYI.

Everybody knows that this is very early on in the game where little of any significance happens, so if somebody is starting to talk to me about how I haven't done reams and reams of analysis yet, then that is suspect because everybody knows that nobody's reads are massively serious right now necessarily. If something happens that I think is interesting then I'll pick up on it, and as it happens I think that nothing relevant has happened so far in this game other than I think that Flubbernugget is more likely to be town, and that it's unlikely that all of the other players who jumped on voting me are town too.

Glitch's questions are just...I don't know how to explain but this isn't how you get information out of people. Watch a couple of episodes of Columbo or something to see how it's done properly. His questions are very much putting words in my mouth, bombarding me with stuff left right and centre, trying to catch me out. If you're questioning somebody with the intention of making them slip up, like you've already decided what the answers are going to be as he obviously has done, then the person will slip up, it's pointless, it's a waste of time. Like he's certain his technique works, I'll flip town, and he'll just carry on game after game doing the exact same thing without ever evaluating where he made a mistake.

He's already said to me 'if you were town you would have done this instead'. So if he already knows everything about what I would do in a given situation and I have already breached that, then what possible reason would there be to respond to his points further? Then there's all this theatrical stuff about 'oh this should be the definition of omgus on the wiki'. If he thinks something I've said is 'contrived' then there's nothing I can do about that other than say 'no it wasn't'. Saying something is 'contrived' is nothing, it's not an argument, it's just a person looking at a post and going 'I don't like the look of this because of a gut feeling', how could you possibly argue that further? He says that I am 'panicky' and 'feel pressured' which again, I can say 'I'm clearly not' and then we're at a stalemate. You can't reason with a person if that's the extent of their arguments.

And again, with your question 'why does that make him scum?', I never said it did, so again that's a leading question trying to paint is as though I made a bad argument as to him being mafia when I never made such an argument at all. Like I say, his original question against Noraa was unreasonable, I thought that made him slightly more likely to be mafia than anybody else at that point given that I have no other reads, hence my vote is on him for the time being. It's not like a strong read, I don't care about it very much, but apparently if I don't vote for anybody then everybody complains about that too. As for the motivations for his arguing against me, that could go either way so I wouldn't present any of that as being in favour of him being mafia. I'm just saying that either way, nobody should be looking at his arguments against me and thinking 'yeah they're good arguments we should eliminate Trendall'.

Nothing I have done is tantamount to 'giving up' and I couldn't care less what is and isn't a 'towntell' lol.

hmmm. I think i need to look through glitch/trendall's dual ISO too.

ugh. effort.

I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good information

meh. it's rambly but there's some stuff in there.

I'm only up to page 11 but so far there seems to be a dynamic where glitch does the questioning and trendall does the answering and I'm not the most fond of it

Lots of resistance to this trendall wagon

I think we are on the right track

Spoiler: NoPoint on Trendall

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that

, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

I feel that this is a little bit contrived. It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

VOTE: bob

Not enough drama
Lockscum

VOTE: bob

This blind vote leaves me feeling flubber is town. The fourth vote on the first rvs wagon is almost always from town especially the more blind it is. As scum tend to have trepidation when voting a townie on the first rvs wagon i find. They might vote early or after the ice is broken but not that on the tipping point between being nearer no votes and being near exec.

Based on this response to the wagon I'm leaning town on Bob because he's showing scum-hunting intent rather than self-preservation.

t doesn't seem to be doing much

How do you know? I could have figured out who all the mafia are by now for all you know.

This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.

Agree with what Noraa says in post #88, I thought the same thing too before she said it.

VOTE: Glitch

This feels really sheepish. Which part of Nora's post do you agree with? Why do you think scum-Glitch would necessarily try to push on Nora when you are his biggest suspect?

VOTE: Vote:Trendall

It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

Yes, virtually all of them as far as I can remember. Certainly all the ones I've played this year. A person can easily look this up.

I checked 3 of your latest games.
The latest game you did RV on your first post and was town.
Two games before you did not RV and was scum in one and town in another.
But you didn't mention

not voting on purpose to facilitate discussion

on any of the games so I'm still inclined to believe you made it up.

Games where I don’t post a random vote in my first post as town are Newbies 977, 989, 1024, 1053, 1066, 1084, 1793, 1893, and 2035. So I’ve been doing exactly this for about ten years. Which again, anybody could have easily looked up. Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

In games 1075 and 1094, I place a random vote for people who don’t have avatars, but both of these games are from 2011 and I wouldn’t care about this sort of thing nowadays.

It's completely ok imo to not RV in the first post. I'm more concerned about the contrived reason you gave for not RV-ing. Why didn't you just say you do it all the time and quote your games?

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

Yes you did, but this is your initial reaction

Nora, doing stupid things is fine but having un-genuine reactions when asked about said stupid things is pretty scummy. Also not sure why you're white-knighting Trendall here after a whole lot of fluff postings.

I'd like to take all the credit for moving us out of RVS thank you very much.
All jokes aside, I think I have fluffed but I also think I have posted lots of game advancing(even if only a little ) content

What game advancing contents are you talking about .. I've yet to seen you post anything substantial despite all the fluff and you haven't moved your vote at all from RVS.

Yes which there is nothing wrong with.

There is nothing wrong with it except for the high likelihood that you made it up on the spot. At the very least it's a bit weird and defensive.

Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

Do you consider it AI to cast suspicion on players in the first 5 pages without any reason to suspect them?

Can you clarify AI? Sorry, old-fashioned player here.
Edit: Got it

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

Weird.

This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.

The post was clearly in jest - you even said it yourself - "thoughts about shits and gigglez". This is weak and weird.

Is there any particular aspect of it you find weak and weird? The logic of your post eludes me.

Which part of Nora's post do you agree with?

Why is this important? What produces town to say that they like X part and scum to say they have Y part?

It's important because I am trying to gauge whether Trendall's vote on Glitch was because Trendall genuinely thought Glitch was scum or because he was trying to start an opportunistic counter wagon to save himself. When people sheep votes without adding to the evidence or thoughts behind their vote, it's generally not a town sign.

Are you saying that you only random vote as scum? That would be a pretty lame way to play.

No, I've only drawn a mafia sided role on this site once. And in that game I never placed a random vote at the start of the game. Why would I ever do what you're suggesting?

Do you see my point Trendall? From my perspective, the only time you were scum you didn't place a random vote and in this game you didn't place a random vote PLUS making up a strange reason for not placing that vote.

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

Now, as much as your pocket is enticing, I'm gonna have to pass.
What makes you think scum wouldn't participate in shits and gigglez early on? I do agree about the bob wagon though.

In my experience, scum usually stay behind the scene, stall the game and make town lynch randomly. That being said, I only think the shit and giggles are slight town sign not overwhelming.

I feel that this is a little bit contrived.

It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked.

Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

Great point here; I hadn't really figured out how to put that into words but I think this is accurate. I'm just trying to sort between whether Trendall's play is newbish, playstyle, or AI.

I don't think Trendall is new he has loads of games. It is fair to say that he does abstain from RV in a lot of his games as town and scum, so I don't see why he has to shut down as town when suspicion was thrown his way.
Edit: After reading through his wall of post, I suppose it is possible that Trendall was just a super defensive town player. Scum is slightly more likely to make things up under pressure but it would be an overstatement to say town never does this.

If we're struggling to get serious stuff going, how about we get no one today and try on the next day? We'll have a night of information then to work things out VOTE: Skip?

I don't think this is a good idea. If we lynch scum it's great. If we mislynch at the very least we have some information. NL is not good.

But also, glitch, don't tunnel 9 pages in...
its just not a good idea imo and it feels bad being tunneled early on.

Isn't this the point though. Tunneling helps bring out emotions and thoughts that are difficult to hide. Then town can analyze them as a collective to distinguish between town and scum. I'm little bit harsh here but if you feel personally offended then mafia might not be a great game for you.

If he truly thought I were scum, he would engage me, ask me question, poke around, and then case me. But he doesn't.

So this is the crux of the problem for me, the guy's way of playing this game is going 'mafia act like this, and town act like this', and in reality people act in all different ways irrespective of their alignment due to personality styles and play styles and whatever else. So I know already, if I don't 'act right', he's going to think I'm mafia, and if I do make any attempt to 'act right' he'll accuse me of contriving reasons and so forth, he's completely inconsistent with what he wants from me. So I'm just stuck here, aren't I? There's nothing I can do about it other than hope that if I get lynched the other players in the game are capable of interpreting what's happened.

So did you make an attempt to "act right" when you made that post about not RV-ing to bring up discussion? Honestly I can think of ways you could have done that as town or scum so shutting down and refusing to communicate only cause people to suspect you more.

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

we can maybe be friends actually, could u elaborate on this?

It seems to me Noraa is trying really hard to strike a balance between deflecting the Trendall accusations without seeming like they are buddied. See post 198.

I agree with this. I think post 198 even indicate Nora scum even in the case Trendall is town. It's just very weird to white-knight someone as if you knew their alignment.

@Wall of text between Glitch and Trendall: This actually makes me feel a little better about Trendall since his post does seem emotionally coherent. For now I feel the trendall wagon has been productive.

UNVOTE: VOTE: Nora
Crimes include fluff posting, white-knighting for no reason and constant emotional appeal.

Well, on my part it was just this relentless stream of excellent well argued points that could not more clearly have come from a town-sided player. I mean I'm sure for anybody reading it...it must have been like 'woah this guy couldn't be more town', and then I'd post another post and it'd be like 'shiiiit I didn't even know it was

possible

for a player to be that obviously aligned with the town, this is amazing, what a great player'.

Glitch was pretty towny too. I'm not sure whether he thinks I'm town or mafia at this point or how confident he is about anything, but he did unvote me because I guess he felt like he got everything he needed to from that avenue of inquiry for now.

So basically at this point you have a very strong town read on me and a fairly confident town read on Glitch too.

Then again this post feels super odd, like a gloat when you've managed to stave off pressure as scum.

This is a prod dodge. It seems like a lot of content has been generated, I'm taking a close look in 4 hours

13 pages in 3 days is rookie numbers. Last mini we had like a 150+ page day 1.

LOL xD What happened to the meta. In my days, people get lynched for posting random bs [/quote]

Spoiler: Keita on Trendall

I’m going to go ahead and VOTE: Trendall

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

Why does it feel like Trendall and Noraa are both scum?
If Trendall flips scum I would be inclined to vote Noraa next.

we can maybe be friends actually, could u elaborate on this?

It seems to me Noraa is trying really hard to strike a balance between deflecting the Trendall accusations without seeming like they are buddied. See post 198.

Noraa, if you had to choose which of Glitch v Trendall is the scum and why?

Spoiler: PLUSjoyed's on Trendall

Sorry but Glitch is all rigid-thinking and acronyms, his analysis is a nightmare, he's probably mafia anyway, there's no way that I'm answering any of those questions that he asked me.

thats not a good sign

This guy has no idea how to find mafia whatsoever.

do you 2 have a messy history together or do you not know glitch?

I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

I'm on glitches side with this one
I don't think he's tunneling, I do think Trendall is being a tad uncooperative. Idk what to make of that

I also wanna note that flub dissappeared after I voted them. Seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: trendall

WOAH don't like this.

Picking sides why? You say in this post you don't know what to make of trendall (despite voting them) so does this mean you townread glitch? Or you agree with his logic, but not so far as to actually scumread trendall? Looks like a shameful pocket attempt on glitch

ehhh it was more getting something to happen during rvs

Ratings:
Flub: D
NoPoint: A+
Keita: C-
PLUSjoyed: D-

I'm still staying on Noraa at this point but I will compromise onto {PLUSjoyed / derp} and am open to discussions on JohnnyFarrar, Flub, and maybe Keita.

Just being honest though I would love to just PL derp today because of how inaccurate our shot is going to be anyway and (no offense) but scum will let that slot live until endgame with the shallow and non-threatening playstyle. If we have a D1 lynch that we are going to be the least accurate with we could at least redeem it for something useful that could help us in endgame. I promise I'm not trying to be rude or mean at all but I am trying to play the game to win. There's no way to sort derp and 86ing that slot today would probably be my biggest preference. Noraa would be good too. Others are considerable.

[Glitch]

Long story short because I want to go to bed:

• Flub gets a D because the way he handles that situation is so surface and not hunting at all. Just reactionary. D
  
• NoPoint is involved, interested, and hunting. A+
  
• Keita's playstyle is hard for me to read through. There's not a lot here and feels pretty null. C-
  
• PLUSjoyed's handling to the situation felt opportunistic and lazy. D-

[Glitch]

I think Hiraki is a townie because he writes really long posts which he could've split up if he wanted to which would make him look more active and townier, but he doesn't care about looking that way

Activity is not alignment indicative.

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^Brackets being TR, TL, No read, SL, SR.

[JohnnyFarrar]

What did you read that changed your mind from Trendall being your #2 town read to being "a great lim" for the day?

Time mostly. The further we get away from you two's little kumbayah brotherly love moment the more paranoid I get about both of you. If he flipped scum I would defo rethink my townread on you

[JohnnyFarrar]

Just being honest though I would love to just PL derp today because of how inaccurate our shot is going to be anyway and (no offense) but scum will let that slot live until endgame with the shallow and non-threatening playstyle. If we have a D1 lynch that we are going to be the least accurate with we could at least redeem it for something useful that could help us in endgame. I promise I'm not trying to be rude or mean at all but I am trying to play the game to win. There's no way to sort derp and 86ing that slot today would probably be my biggest preference.

For the record, not on board with policy lims in general and this one is especially thin because derp isn't even anti town

[Hopkirk]

Got half an hour free so let's see how much of this I can catch up with. Might not be able to manage it since somehow you lunatics have managed to create eighteen whole pages in 5 days. What is this, a large?
I'm the kind of guy who sees more than two posts per person per day and doesn't know why anyone would think that excessive amount of posting is necessary. Then you see people like Flubbernugget who've managed 29 posts already. That is over FIVE posts per day. Where could he possible find the time for that.

[Hopkirk]

My thing got delayed an hour so I should be able to catch up. Who knows, I might even manage to his TWO whole posts today. A new personal record!

Lmao jk VOTE: Noraa for shits and gigglez

Damn, I actually fell for it and thought you preceding post was serious. Can we have some sort of warning in the post instead of afterwards next time

pt notes: keep glitch alive he townreads me

PJ obvtown.

Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/

Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?

we did that and even made a big chart thingie. But like the prob was that occassionally there were exceptions and he doesnt seem to use the word "fellow" that much even in scum games. And on top of that, the person SRing him was heavily SRed AND on top of that, not all of our town power had claimed so it looked like we were extremely underpowered so we believed his pr claim.

-He only does it as scum
-Except for some exceptions where he does it as town
-He doesn't really do it much as either

uh...

Not a fan of Bob/Flubber p3 interactions.

[Hopkirk]

Hi!!! this my first game, ever... So I might take a while to get used to it

It seems strange to me that there were so many votes on Bob before he even said anything. Is Bob the type of player the mafia would want dead?

My theory is that Noora might actually be scared of Bob catching her out so she's trying to get rid of him early and is then hiding it as an excuse of being scared of him being mafia... but I'm going to keep my vote dormant until I'm more sure!

This slot is incredibly obvtown (obvious town)

Btw I remembered wrong. Bob wasn't a mafia traitor last game. He was just an informed goon.
The traitor was from a different game of mine.

Did you go back and check the game thread?

yeah. the info's right this time I saw it with my two eyes.

Did you do it because of this?:

Bob got called out in the last game with me for only saying the word "fellow" in scum games. No one believed it at the time and we limmed the person that said it but they were right :/

Couldn't somebody have just searched Bob's games to find out whether that's true or not?

Why did this post put enough pressure on you to make you check the thread? Are you hyper self aware because your scum, or because you're Noraa?

Kinda confused but like the fellow thing had nothing to do with why I went back and checked. It was actually because I was talking about traitors elsewhere can't remember which thread but like someone said that traitors are a mafia member that isn't known to the mafia and the mafia only knows of their existence. I thought a traitor was like basically a RBer or something but Bob was def in the mafia thread from the start that game so I went back and checked and once I saw that I was like oh, huh so he wasn't a traitor. So I thought I'd share.

Doesnt really have much to do with being self aware and your attempt to dig into this is a bit concerning and kinda a red flag to me. Consider your past pocketing as cancelled out.

This is more of a newbie reaction than a seasoned player reaction. I simply asked you a question with a reference to a previous post because it looked like you got a slight miniscule amount of pressure placed on you by Trendall when he asked if anyone could just check bobs meta, and then you quietly showed back up having checked it out. That pinged me; why would it be scummy of me to question you on it? I didn't vote you. I didn't call for a wagon. I simply asked you questions to try and sort you.

I'm a very aggressive player. I tend to go really hard at people and grill them as town because I need to sort them. This reaction out of you gives me some info but not exactly super helpful info. From what I know of you, this reaction -- which I would describe as newbie (no offense), dramatic, and overreacting to a small, minor push -- seems to be consistent with your personality and playstyle across games. Therefore I don't imagine your response would be AI for you.

With other players I would normally find it a red flag to immediately throw shade on me for pushing them and calling them on something. Because I know you a little bit though I just doubt that your reaction is scum indicative but rather just Noraa indicative.

Why do you think it is scummy for me to see something from you that makes me raise an eyebrow, and to ask you about it pointedly? Also: why are you taking a two-quote post trying to understand you as "flipping out" on you? Don't you think that's a not of a flip out yourself over me trying to sort you?

Normally I like self meta but this is pretty eh.

@Thoughts about shits and gigglez at the beginning: I'd keep a note to myself that the 3 participants is leaning town based on the conversation. I also think it's a townish sign to start the first wagon quickly since scum benefit from stalling the game. Noraa, Gitch, Plus can be town for now.

the question is more why did you not vote in general?

By not voting and seeing how people react to that

, I am participating in the beginning stages of the game just as much as anybody else is.

I feel that this is a little bit contrived. It feels more like you thought of this reason when asked. Have you done this in any of your previous town games?

VOTE: bob

Not enough drama
Lockscum

VOTE: bob

This blind vote leaves me feeling flubber is town. The fourth vote on the first rvs wagon is almost always from town especially the more blind it is. As scum tend to have trepidation when voting a townie on the first rvs wagon i find. They might vote early or after the ice is broken but not that on the tipping point between being nearer no votes and being near exec.

Based on this response to the wagon I'm leaning town on Bob because he's showing scum-hunting intent rather than self-preservation.

t doesn't seem to be doing much

How do you know? I could have figured out who all the mafia are by now for all you know.

This seems defensive. Keeping knowledge and even reads and opinions secret are bad for town and good for scum.

Agree with what Noraa says in post #88, I thought the same thing too before she said it.

VOTE: Glitch

This feels really sheepish. Which part of Nora's post do you agree with? Why do you think scum-Glitch would necessarily try to push on Nora when you are his biggest suspect?

VOTE: Vote:Trendall

I don't really like how this sums up to townreads on all the active players (which I don't feel there's enough to justify), not a townread on the most obvtown (new) player in the thread.

Games where I don’t post a random vote in my first post as town are Newbies 977, 989, 1024, 1053, 1066, 1084, 1793, 1893, and 2035. So I’ve been doing exactly this for about ten years. Which again, anybody could have easily looked up. Unless they didn’t actually care and just wanted to cast suspicion on me, I guess.

In games 1075 and 1094, I place a random vote for people who don’t have avatars, but both of these games are from 2011 and I wouldn’t care about this sort of thing nowadays.

Do you have a record of all this or did you just look it up?

[Hopkirk]

Holy crap I posted way more than I thought I did. I'm going to bed now, goodnight friends!

You know you can make posts with more than one sentence in them right? That page felt 'trying to look really hard to look town'.

I think Trendall is a townie because that's a looooooot of words and I think it's hard for mafia to write so much right now, because we don't any good information

Ok I'm getting hard 'Hectic alt' pings from Staarling's posting now actually. There's just a little too much stuff that feels like a stereotype/parody of obvious new town for me to be 100% sure you're a new player and not another player called Hectic playing under an alt account. You've hit a lot of marks like 'Let's not vote anyone today, lots of words are town, not wanting to play scum, the Noraa avatar thing. Plus Hectic isn't in this game. That's pretty suspicious all on its own.

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Trendell can be town from the 1v1. Glitch to be sorted later.

[6] - Why don't you care what is and isn't a towntell? Sorting town is just as important as sorting scum. Process of elimination can lead you straight to the mafia.

You've misinterpreted me here, it's not about 'towntells', I don't care about 'tells' generally for reasons I gave in post 255.

The player in question I was referring to seemed to think that it was my responsibility to like actively towntell or something. It's the responsibility of the other players to interpret my behaviour correctly, it's not my responsibility to 'act correctly' in accordance to their own personal understanding of how a town player behaves vs. how a mafia player behaves - I'd have no way of knowing what that is.

If a player I think is mafia flips town I wouldn't want to be like 'that's your fault for acting scummy', I would be like 'that's my mistake, I misread the situation'.

What they said to me was ridiculous because they were like...trying to give me advice as to how to look more town or something like that? But I'm not trying to actively act like town, I would never do that, that would just confuse things because that's what mafia are trying to do. I'm just sorta like...playing the game how I play it, and this is outside what that player is used to.

Hmm.
UNVOTE: Trendall

I'm leaning to say this post doesn't come from scum. I'm trying to sort my frustration and read of this slot separate from each other and this post and making me lean a bit away from scum. I'll need to go back and ISO you soon and really evaluate things more deeply, but at this point with a 5-player wagon I think we've gotten more than enough from this wagon and I am not down with shredding you at this point anymore.

Backing down from a tunnel? Albert would be ashamed.

I think Noraa, Glitch, Trendall are all townies

why

Be patience my dear friends, as I am at work

!! what's going to happen? I'm excited

this reads as odd coming from a new person, more evidence it's Hectic

derp supports the noraa wagon, but derp would also like to see some more from this:

VOTE: plusjoyed

derp thinks u are coasting and u do random call outs that come across more as u trying to throw shade at players without really committing to it (flub) als if derp has to be completely honest he finds the interactions between u and noraa to be really odd and is not a fan of either slot

so dear derp would like to know what ur actual read on flub is

You could also vote people who aren't obvtown. Thanks.

I'll explain more later -

Vote: nopointactingup

Good. This had better be a wagon by the time I reach page 18.

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Just saw how many posts I've made. I'm so sorry. I guess I'm one of those 'hyperposters' now

Sorry guys - I got into a car accident. Nothing serious and I can continue but I'm not going to be writing anything tonight. I still think Trendall flips town and I feel pretty good about what I read (and read again) on nopoint.

Nice reads. Gl recovering.

I'm a Bob. Hello! Sleepy catchup incoming. While I read, somebody come tell me who to vote

Nopoint.

Just so you all know this is my first forum mafia game. My experience with mafia is with games that take 1-3 hours lol

Should you not have been in a newbie first? Is that not a rule anymore?

Not if you're ineligible for the newbie queue

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Town: Staarling, Plus, Hiraki, Trendall. Maybe Noraa. Maybe Keita (this one because 212 doesn't feel like how new scum would approach a wagon on town (this is also assuming new scum less likely to bus there))


Johnny's entrance and follow up is meh.
Flubber has no depth
Nopoint sus.

VOTE: Nopoint

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I'm getting so much paranoia from Staarling having her last online set to off.

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@Jackson - can we get replacements noted in the OP?

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I guess I'm a hyperposter now. Noraa was right, it does feel good.