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TwoFace · Post Post #18 (isolation #0) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:52 pm

Do I rvs?

Heads.

VOTE: creeps

Creeps are scummy

TwoFace · Post Post #25 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:15 am

FYI Naomi is the strangest player I've ever played with. She's very difficult to figure out.

TwoFace · Post Post #55 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:11 am

In post 50, MortFeld wrote:
In post 19, Human Sequencer wrote: @mortfeld, were you following the game with almost one forth of the playerlist here?
Mini 1833 I assume, yeah I read that whole mess.

My condolences

TwoFace · Post Post #65 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:26 am

Set up a wiki, put info on your wiki, put reference to it in your sig.

Problem solved.

Do I join the wagon?

Tails.

Meh

TwoFace · Post Post #68 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:41 am

In post 66, MisaTange wrote:TwoFace: I presume you meant the wagon on me, since you're already on Creeps's wagon

Yes yours.

TwoFace · Post Post #82 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:11 am

In post 75, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 74, Creeps20 wrote: In all honesty I ignore threads when they are in RvS.
I think we found the source of your 'EVERYBODY SCUMREADS ME' problem.

That would be the other people's issues imo.

TwoFace · Post Post #86 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:17 am

In post 84, Creeps20 wrote:1. Well sometimes there are a claim limit of 1 a day. That gets wasted and we kill someone who may be inno

where the heck have you been playing mafia? that's the dumbest rule ever

TwoFace · Post Post #103 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:52 am

In post 92, MisaTange wrote:Is there even a game where two PRs had to claim in the same day)

Yes

TwoFace · Post Post #104 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:56 am

Misa your all caps seems unnecessary

TwoFace · Post Post #110 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:03 am

Ok? It's early and not much to work with.

TwoFace · Post Post #111 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:03 am

In post 109, keyenpeydee wrote:
In post 104, TwoFace wrote:Misa your all caps seems unnecessary

Regarding this, If people feel uncomfortable for seeing an all caps post, Feel free to PM me about it and we can talk. I'll try to edit Misa's post.

I was actually referring to it being scummy as it wasn't necessary

Sorry D: But I'm still informing everyone. Carry on. - Keyen.

TwoFace · Post Post #116 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:13 am

In post 113, copper223 wrote:@TF
That's fair, but you seem to be focusing on the wrong things for someone that is supposedly trying to figure out if his neighbor is a communist (that is slang for looking for scum if someone is confused).

P-edit: aha, that's more interesting.

Thanks for your opinion.

TwoFace · Post Post #120 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:22 am

In post 119, MortFeld wrote:TwoFace, what is your impression of Creeps?

Don't really have one yet.

TwoFace · Post Post #123 (isolation #13) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:28 am

Did what?

P.edit - I agree with you uzi about fake outrage

TwoFace · Post Post #125 (isolation #14) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:33 am

I haven't refused to give any. I don't have any. That game you read started differently. I saw something early on that I wanted to question so I questioned it.

Only recently has something like that happened and I called it out (all caps thing).

I find him scummy but that's the only read I have.

TwoFace · Post Post #128 (isolation #15) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:42 am

What I basically do is stay current on the conversations going on until enough time has passed. Hopefully I have a scum read developed that I can push on to keep me busy. At some point when I'm slow at work, I go back and reread because it's basically like watching a new movie a 2nd and 3rd time. You pick up on things you didn't really notice. You see possible interactions. I don't think I did that as much in that one game but it's what I've done in others.

TwoFace · Post Post #130 (isolation #16) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:27 pm

There's no guarantee people will read it when you post it in a game

TwoFace · Post Post #131 (isolation #17) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:27 pm

How's the movie?

TwoFace · Post Post #137 (isolation #18) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:56 pm

So odds obviously point to you being mafia this time

TwoFace · Post Post #142 (isolation #19) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:08 pm

In post 141, Naomi-Tan wrote:What is even going on in 99

If you read posts before that it's quite obvi

TwoFace · Post Post #144 (isolation #20) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:10 pm

I actually agree with that. Taking the caps away changes the post and how it's perceived

TwoFace · Post Post #151 (isolation #21) » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:29 pm

Don't think anyone is advocating lynching anyone yet

TwoFace · Post Post #157 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:39 am

Why don't you think it's possible for town to not have reads? That's a weird opinion to have

TwoFace · Post Post #158 (isolation #23) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:52 am

Side note. How much mafia experience do you have?

Also I hate this no talking about ongoing game policy cause i could prove me not having reads isn't unusual for me.

TwoFace · Post Post #160 (isolation #24) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:27 am

Copper. Thoughts on misa?

TwoFace · Post Post #165 (isolation #25) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:43 am

2nd game ever? That explains it I guess

TwoFace · Post Post #166 (isolation #26) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:48 am

Btw I disagree with you. I think most scum would be afraid to say they don't have reads.

TwoFace · Post Post #172 (isolation #27) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:01 am

In post 168, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 166, TwoFace wrote:Btw I disagree with you. I think most scum would be afraid to say they don't have reads.
Why do I feel this has scum intent?

Man I was scared of posting for a long time

Idk. Maybe cause you are an inexperienced player.

TwoFace · Post Post #176 (isolation #28) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:39 am

Thinking that has scum intent imo only comes from an inexperienced player or scum. There's absolutely no scum intent with what I said. I also keep things honest. I say what I feel and don't worry if it sounds scummy to anyone else.

I discredited you because you deserved to be discredited.

If you know you're stuff, there's no way you make that statement as town. Or at least there's no way you should make that statement as town. I'm notice more and more town players saying things they shouldn't.

TwoFace · Post Post #190 (isolation #29) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:48 am

In post 187, ThinkBig wrote:As I said, I felt it was too early in the DP. I'd hate for scum, or someone to come in and quick-hammer - whether on purpose or by mistake

Are you normally this cautious?

TwoFace · Post Post #192 (isolation #30) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:50 am

Why are you answering for him?

TwoFace · Post Post #195 (isolation #31) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:52 am

Why did you ask drone a question when he hasn't even posted?

TwoFace · Post Post #200 (isolation #32) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:28 am

If copper actually said that, that's a good point out by mort. I don't remember seeing it though.

TwoFace · Post Post #202 (isolation #33) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:36 am

Oh yeah that's bad. The over explanation about scum being can be lynch baity makes it bad. Scum can't be lynch bait

This needs a flip. Should I vote?

Heads

VOTE: copper

TwoFace · Post Post #216 (isolation #34) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:54 am

In post 207, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 206, MortFeld wrote:TB can I see a preliminary readslist? I can explain why I want one from you specifically but I'd rather see it first.
Sure.

Town Reads

1. MortFeld
2. Lil Uzi Vert
3. Naomi-Tan

Scum Reads

1. Copper223
2. HS (I don't like how he asked Drone a question when he hasn't confirmed/posted yet. If he flips scum, it is possible that Drone is his buddy).

On an unrelated note, ChaosOmega and Toto need to get in the game. Mod, can you please prod them?

Why uzi?

TwoFace · Post Post #217 (isolation #35) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:55 am

Sorry copper. Scum can't be lynchbait cause the goal is to lynch scum.

TwoFace · Post Post #219 (isolation #36) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:03 am

Most people change their play when they are scum though.

TwoFace · Post Post #222 (isolation #37) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:14 am

Right I saw you said it can be scum, but I disagreed with you and felt it was a scummy post. saying you will unvote when he gets to l-1 is bad play imo. It takes pressure off someone people are scum reading and also makes you seem like you weren't really committed to it. If that's the case why are you on it to begin with?

TwoFace · Post Post #226 (isolation #38) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:41 am

That's not flip floppy. That's literally the exact same thing.

TwoFace · Post Post #228 (isolation #39) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:56 am

You obviously misread my posts.

"Right I saw you said it can be scum, but I disagreed with you"

Is the exact same as

"Scum can't be lynch bait"

TwoFace · Post Post #232 (isolation #40) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:08 am

In post 230, MortFeld wrote:What a dumb semantic argument.

I agree.

TwoFace · Post Post #233 (isolation #41) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:11 am

In post 231, copper223 wrote:@TF
What's your HS read?

Kind of scummy

TwoFace · Post Post #236 (isolation #42) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:19 am

In post 228, TwoFace wrote:You obviously misread my posts.

"Right I saw you said it can be scum, but I disagreed with you"

Is the exact same as

"Scum can't be lynch bait"

TwoFace · Post Post #259 (isolation #43) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:16 pm

In post 241, copper223 wrote:VOTE: Mort

It's a toss-up but I believe it's more likely for TF to be a VI that doesn't get the difference between bad (in his mind) and scum, as opposed to Mort misreading what to me looks like a pretty obvious statement about lynchbaits, they could also both be scum but that seems less likely.

Also instead of re-examining your read after stating you had misunderstood Mort, you try to find new avenues of attack and that smacks of scum sticking to their read.

Don't insult me please. I'm not a vi and don't appreciate you accusing me of being one.

TwoFace · Post Post #265 (isolation #44) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:27 pm

In post 262, copper223 wrote:
In post 259, TwoFace wrote:Don't insult me please. I'm not a vi and don't appreciate you accusing me of being one.
If you happen to be town you definitely are and that is not an insult, it's a statement of what I believe about your level of play, take some of your own medicine.

Shit son. You're the freaking idiot who says scum can be lynchbait. Lynchbait means a person who is easily mislynched. SCUM CAN'T BE MISLYNCHED.

If you're town I'm sorry

TwoFace · Post Post #273 (isolation #45) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:39 pm

In post 268, copper223 wrote:
In post 265, TwoFace wrote:Shit son. You're the freaking idiot who says scum can be lynchbait. Lynchbait means a person who is easily mislynched. SCUM CAN'T BE MISLYNCHED.

If you're town I'm sorry
There is no "mis" in lynchbait you idiot, so no it does not mean that, it means someone that is easily lynched and SCUM CAN BE AN EASY LYNCH AS WELL.

I have been playing this game likely for more years than you have lived, I also have for sure the highest win-rate as scum and third party on this forum (as I have never lost) and I doubt there are many players with a better town win-rate (closing in on 80% now) so I know what I am talking about and you do not.

Blah blah blah

Hopefully we lynch you. If not I really hope we have a vig

TwoFace · Post Post #276 (isolation #46) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:53 pm

People who brag about their win percentages (which are almost always inflated) deserve death. There's no place for arrogance.

TwoFace · Post Post #283 (isolation #47) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:56 pm

In post 279, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Scum slip? I don't see how you could have mistaken anyone for Drone at the time.

That's what I was thinking. It's why I asked him about it. Very weird.

TwoFace · Post Post #308 (isolation #48) » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 302, Creeps20 wrote:
In post 299, MortFeld wrote:Creeps can you please respond to 294?
I don't like to respond to people who I think are scum

@Copper - I guess it could be. I don't know how to not waste a day and get at least 1 vote of me. I have been terrible at defences and shall always be.

So don't worry about defending yourself. If you're town, scum is going to keep attacking you making you keep defending yourself. It stops you from playing your game, whatever that means.

Just ignore them as best you can and go after who you think is scum. If you still get lynched, who cares. Go sign up for a new game.

TwoFace · Post Post #333 (isolation #49) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:13 am

I honestly don't see how anyone is scum reading mort. His posts look very town.

TwoFace · Post Post #344 (isolation #50) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:15 am

In post 334, Human Sequencer wrote:I asked Drone specifically because he was AFK, to call him into the thread. I chose him over Loli because Key had told us he had confirmed, so I thought he might be lurking the thread. With a question out in the open, he had no excuse to keep passively reading.
I didn't realize Key told us he was V/LA. Sorry about that.

The mod said he confirmed and was v/la I'm the same post, possibly the same sentence. I don't buy for a minute you saw one and not the other. Try again

TwoFace · Post Post #346 (isolation #51) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:25 am

Impossible

TwoFace · Post Post #354 (isolation #52) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:24 am

In post 349, Drone wrote:Can you confirm they didn't? If so they're lying on purpose. As town they'd have no purpose to lie about that.
You should be concluding they're scum, you should be voting them, no?
Anything else, you're throwing shade.

Pedit: same for Uzi.

I'm not thin skinned, I just can't tolerate a game played this way. It's written in my wiki page that I'm harsh with a habit of being intolerant towards negative attitude.

About Creeps:
There's absolutely no reason why town would want to keep him alive, yet this behaviour is just way too scummy. As I said, he it might be WIFOM, but highly unlikely.

I can basically confirm he didn't see it since it was in the same post. Impossible to miss. I'm voting scum already so I don't see the need to change to his partner. I can vote HS after copper is lynched. Or if scum kill me town can lynch HS tomorrow.

TwoFace · Post Post #360 (isolation #53) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:50 am

In post 359, Drone wrote:I wasn't defending you, I was comparing you missing the V/LA to the possibility of me missing stuff for the same reason. Unless you weren't skimming. Then I can agree with Twoface.

If it was hidden in a large post, maybe he could miss it. It wasn't though. It was a short post.

I get missing stuff while skimming cause I'm notorious for it. It's why I'll respond to one thing when there are multiple things I should be responding to. It's impossible to skim that post and not see the v/la.

TwoFace · Post Post #361 (isolation #54) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:50 am

In post 171, keyenpeydee wrote:
Drone has been confirmed and he can play. He said that he'll be V/LA until tomorrow.

How can you miss anything in this?

TwoFace · Post Post #362 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:52 am

If you see the word drone. You immediately see the word v/la as its directly underneath

TwoFace · Post Post #369 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:11 am

Oh yes I'm on mobile. Ok but still don't see how you missed it. Anyway I think you're lying but not going to lynch you based solely off that.

TwoFace · Post Post #370 (isolation #57) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:19 am

In post 365, Drone wrote:I just ISO'd Key and I somewhat have to say I was sure the part that I confirmed was updated before the V/LA. But yeah, makes sense.

TF. Let's go with what you said in 354.
Let's say we lynch Copper and he's scum. How would that guarantee HS is scum too? They have enough time to prove another, I have to say that their play doesn't give anything to read so far.
Besides, if Copper flips town? You sure it's a good statement?

It wouldn't guarantee anything. I'ts just who I'm scum reading ATM.

TwoFace · Post Post #372 (isolation #58) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:34 am

In post 371, Human Sequencer wrote:Could you give us a more detailed case on Copper and I? I've skimmed your ISO and can't see you giving any real reasoning so far apart from 'I don't like you!' and the Drone question.

Copper has already been discussed. Add in he tried to twist 2 nearly identical statements and imply they were somehow different. I can't see that coming from town.

As for you, yeah that basically covered it. Not a fan of your posts and the drone thing doesn't make sense. If you flip scum, I'll totally wager that drone will also

TwoFace · Post Post #380 (isolation #59) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:08 am

In post 375, Human Sequencer wrote:TwoFace, please link me right now to where you already discussed your view on Copper. I can't find it.

It's around the time I voted him. Where he tires to say I said 2 different things but didn't

TwoFace · Post Post #382 (isolation #60) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:17 am

In post 202, TwoFace wrote:Oh yeah that's bad. The over explanation about scum being can be lynch baity makes it bad. Scum can't be lynch bait

This needs a flip. Should I vote?

Heads

VOTE: copper

TwoFace · Post Post #383 (isolation #61) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:19 am

And this

Spoiler:

In post 225, copper223 wrote:
In post 222, TwoFace wrote:
Right I saw you said it can be scum, but I disagreed with you and felt it was a scummy post.
saying you will unvote when he gets to l-1 is bad play imo. It takes pressure off someone people are scum reading and also makes you seem like you weren't really committed to it. If that's the case why are you on it to begin with?

In post 202, TwoFace wrote:Oh yeah that's bad.
The over explanation about scum being can be lynch baity makes it bad. Scum can't be lynch bait

This needs a flip. Should I vote?

Heads

VOTE: copper
You are flip flopping, your main accusation when you voted me was that lynchbait can't be scum and
that
is what makes my post bad.

Now you are saying that you understood me when I said lynchbait can be scum, but you disagree (there is nothing to agree or disagree on, I am stating a fact about what a term means), so in your mind us disagreeing on how to use a term makes you want to flip me?

As I explained once already I wanted to keep the pressure on (and that worked fine given Creeps later posted he was so scared of getting lynched he was afraid to comment) but also warn the rest of town that Creeps was already at L-2 and that I did not consider it appropriate to lynch him at that time (because of the considerations I already made), something that was very relevant since soon after ThinkBig declined to vote Creeps to avoid putting him at L-1.

If you believe the town is supposed to town-read you for "admitting" you have no reads (which is by no means a given), that makes your statement about having no reads NAI at best by the way.

In post 226, TwoFace wrote:That's not flip floppy. That's literally the exact same thing.

In post 227, copper223 wrote:What part of:

Lynchbait can't be scum, so copper saying so means he is likely scum and I am going to vote him.

AND

copper says Creeps is lynchbait (which is a playstyle comment and he can be either scum or town) but I disagree on how he is using that term.

looks in any way
literally
the same to you?

In post 228, TwoFace wrote:You obviously misread my posts.

"Right I saw you said it can be scum, but I disagreed with you"

Is the exact same as

"Scum can't be lynch bait"

TwoFace · Post Post #387 (isolation #62) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:29 am

In post 384, copper223 wrote:ou most definitely did imply 2 different things,

No and here's why

Me disagreeing with you that scum can be lynchbait

Is the exact same thing as

Scum can't be lynchbait.

Like fucking identical just worded differently

TwoFace · Post Post #388 (isolation #63) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:33 am

In post 385, Human Sequencer wrote:So disregarding the fact that Copper is correct and you are misusing the term Lynchbait, because you seem to be pretty adamant on that...

How does 'You obviously misread my posts' correlate to 'You are scum'?

Somebody being wrong doesn't mean they're scum. Look at yourself, you're incredibly wrong but I have a null read on you.

Copper isn't correct so I can't disregard it.

When he denied misreading and still things I said 2 different things when it's clear to anyone with an average reading comprehension ability I didn't, that changes to a scummy townie making a mistake to scum intentionally trying to lie about me.

TwoFace · Post Post #394 (isolation #64) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:51 am

In post 390, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 177, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 173, Human Sequencer wrote:>if you disagree with me or read me as scum you're new and stupid
lol ok
So in post 388 you claim that Copper was scum intentionally trying to lie about you. Considering that Copper wasn't voting you at the time, and ended up voting Mort later, what motivation does scumCopper have for that? He wasn't trying to get a wagon started on you, because he comes back in post 241 voting Mort.

Scum have 2 objectives during the day. Get town lynched and discredit townies. If the person he's voting is town and it is the larger wagon, of course he's not going to start a new wagon. His alternative is what he's done. Intentionally twist my words. The fact that I've proven him incorrect and he keeps it up to me means he's afraid to admit his mistake. A townie shouldn't be afraid to admit mistakes they've made.

TwoFace · Post Post #397 (isolation #65) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:53 am

In post 393, Drone wrote:"If you flip scum?" you said you ain't going to lynch HS, so that means you're talking about day 2, and then day 3 is me if they're scum.
You're lining up lynches. Don't like it.

Yes I'm lining up scum lynches. Town flips obviously changes things. And I really don't care if you like it

TwoFace · Post Post #405 (isolation #66) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:11 am

In post 398, MortFeld wrote:I see TwoFace's push on the lynchbait semantic deal as starting to look scummy. I don't see how either of your arguments pertains to the game. It seems like TwoFace is voting Copper just because Copper doesn't understand TwoFace's argument, which scum or town might do.

No im voting copper for the reason I gave when I voted. The stuff afterwards doesn't make me feel better about him so I see no reason to ease up.

TwoFace · Post Post #410 (isolation #67) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:20 am

In post 409, MortFeld wrote:HS looks more town.

How?

TwoFace · Post Post #421 (isolation #68) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:42 am

In post 420, MortFeld wrote:because I cannot see Creeps being town in any world

Really?

TwoFace · Post Post #425 (isolation #69) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:50 am

In post 424, MortFeld wrote:Town Creeps would be exceptionally bad and would also be refusing to even look at his own play for why people SR him, and I don't see why someone like that would be playing mafia.

That's very common on this site though. That's a dumb reason to think he couldn't possibly be town

TwoFace · Post Post #426 (isolation #70) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:51 am

To me he falls into that too scummy to be scum. He's an easy target. Lynchbait if you will.

TwoFace · Post Post #450 (isolation #71) » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:24 pm

His v/la was weird personally. What about the election is keeping him away from mafia

TwoFace · Post Post #464 (isolation #72) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:52 am

I haven't done anything blacklist worthy and I already told you I don't appreciate you calling me a vi and you did it again. You've made my decision quite easy now and I'll be super happy to never play with you again if you're town.

TwoFace · Post Post #466 (isolation #73) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:03 am

In post 0, keyenpeydee wrote:1. Don't be an asshole to people.

Not going to take a chill pill when rules are being broken.

TwoFace · Post Post #471 (isolation #74) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:38 am

You did break the rules. I've informed the mod and if it happens again I'll escelate the issue. Please refrain from speaking to me anymore.

When I said I didn't appreciate being called a vi, that was me saying I consider it an insult. The I means idiot which is an insult. I haven't done shit to deserve those comments and I'm playing quite well actually.

TwoFace · Post Post #478 (isolation #75) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:05 am

Feel sorry for whoever replaces Cooper. Replacing into a confirmed scum slot is tough

TwoFace · Post Post #481 (isolation #76) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:16 am

In post 479, Human Sequencer wrote:Are you joking?
Sounds like you're actually proud of what you've wrought.

I believe Copper is scum. Him replacing out doesn't change that. Am I proud of him replacing out? No cause it takes the joy out of it when that slot flips scum.

TwoFace · Post Post #482 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:24 am

I don't think copper is scum for disagreement about the rules. I already said why I think he's scum and it had nothing to do with the rules.

Did I overreact about the VI thing? Probably but I've been in a bad mood and I already told him I didn't appreciate it. He did it again knowing that makes him in the wrong.

TwoFace · Post Post #487 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:07 am

In post 222, TwoFace wrote:Right I saw you said it can be scum, but I disagreed with you and felt it was a scummy post. saying you will unvote when he gets to l-1 is bad play imo. It takes pressure off someone people are scum reading and also makes you seem like you weren't really committed to it. If that's the case why are you on it to begin with?

No him being wrong about the definition of lynch bait didn't make him scum. here is the best explanation of what makes him scum.

TwoFace · Post Post #489 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:23 am

In post 321, copper223 wrote:VOTE: ThinkBig
You are next on the: why did you jump on the copper wagon list, you appear to also be game avoiding. I also want to hear your answer to Mort's questions.

Also let's look at this vote.

I mean first and foremost the blatant OMGUS

he accuses ThinkBig of game avoiding, and this was after ThinkBig had just made a bunch of posts both Friday the 4th and Saturday the 5th. There is no game avoiding so it is a blatantly false accusation when coupled with the fact it was in retaliation to being voted, makes cooper look very scummy.

I mean all of copper's votes have been bad and his reasons terrible. he basically attacks anyone who is coming after him.

TwoFace · Post Post #491 (isolation #80) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:26 am

In post 488, MortFeld wrote:Copper trying to elaborately justify an OMGUS vote.

funny you say that as I was typing my most recent post

TwoFace · Post Post #492 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:28 am

In post 490, MortFeld wrote:I were both town on that list.

no i was yellow which mean he thought I was possibly scum

TwoFace · Post Post #493 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:30 am

In post 490, MortFeld wrote:But I accepted his explanation that bad hammers do happen - I assume you don't?

if he legitimately scum read him, why would he be worried about him getting hammered? When I think somebody is scum I am praying for somebody to hammer them, not backing off and even unvoting.

this means that his vote wasn't sincere. I don't see why he as town would do that, I can see scum implications which actually means my read on creep is probably wrong. His vote being insincere points to creep/copper scum buddies more than opposite alignments

TwoFace · Post Post #494 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:32 am

I do concede bad hammers happen though. I played in a game where one happened recently even

TwoFace · Post Post #496 (isolation #84) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:46 am

But see why can't that just be for effect? LAMIST and all that jazz. If he wasn't comfortable with him being at L2, why didn't he just unvote?

TwoFace · Post Post #498 (isolation #85) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:54 am

but you can't really trust his answer because if he is scum, he would just make up some BS answer. That is where you as a player have to evaluate his actions and determine if they make sense as town or scum. hence why I am pushing hard for his lynch. I don't see town motivation for his actions.

TwoFace · Post Post #500 (isolation #86) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:02 am

so what are you're thoughts on misa replacing out? I was kind of suspicious of misa earlier before copper distracted me. I don't know how to process this replacement.

TwoFace · Post Post #501 (isolation #87) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:06 am

In post 499, MortFeld wrote:I agree that it doesn't make sense to state intention to unvote at L-1 instead of just unvoting at L-2. But why would scum be more likely to do this than town? If scum!Copper's goal is for a Creeps mislynch, he'd just leave his vote on and say nothing. I suppose it makes a bit of sense if Copper and Creeps are both scum, since his vote is an option select of sorts: someone else is lynched, Creeps stays alive and Copper's vote is on Creeps and not a townie; Creeps is lynched, it's a pretty reasonable bus. But I don't see a hugely convincing case on Copper from this.

Well that depends on creeps alignment I guess.

if copper/creeps are scum, obviously he's protecting his buddy

if copper is scum/creep is stown - he could be doing that to make him appear like a cautious townie to earn some brownie points.

if copper is town/regardless what creep is - I don't know.

If I were uncomfortable with somebody being at L-2, I wouldn't wait until he got to L-1 because to unvote. There is no guarantee I would be around at that point and if a bad hammer happened while I was away, that would mean I played poorly because I should have unvoted when I had the chance.

TwoFace · Post Post #505 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:15 am

yeah I have issues with that. If I see somebody do something that in my mind most townies wouldn't do, I have a hard time accepting that they are a townie. The simplest explanation to me is that they aren't. I don't see how you can tell the difference between scum and a bad player

TwoFace · Post Post #506 (isolation #89) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:17 am

In post 504, Human Sequencer wrote:Whatever. This whole interaction screams TvTT to me at this point. So it's irrelevant. It makes it a shame we lost Copper over it, but what are we gonna do about it.

at 2 blatantly false accusations came from copper. Explain to me how that comes from town?

TwoFace · Post Post #508 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:26 am

somehow I missed lohik actually confirmed, I don't see why you would confirm and at least not post something but there is nothing from that slot we can use so we can only wait for a replacement and see what they have to say.

TwoFace · Post Post #511 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:41 am

In post 509, Human Sequencer wrote:@TwoFace No. I've had enough arguing over something so pedantic and obvious with a VI.
You know you're town. I assume you're town. For fucks sake please drop it before you drive me out of the game too.
Let's find scum

Let's ignore the obviously false accusations about me

What is your opinion about copper accusing ThinkBig of game avoiding when earlier in the day (saturday the 5th) ThinkBig had just made 14 game related posts including giving a list of reads.

TwoFace · Post Post #512 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:45 am

the longest period of inactivity from Think Big came after he declared v/la.

TwoFace · Post Post #520 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:21 am

In post 515, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 500, TwoFace wrote:so what are you're thoughts on misa replacing out? I was kind of suspicious of misa earlier before copper distracted me. I don't know how to process this replacement.
I think they might of replaced out due to the heavy negative chi in the game. Currently negative emotions are both high and heavy and has kinda afflicted the game making it less fun to play. The negative atmosphere isn't great considering its already a charged game. I also considered replacing out just because of the general cloud of negative energy flowing in the game, but I'm sticking with it to allow my good chi to flow into the bad and hopefully when the replacements enter things will just kinda level off. given peoples initial reaction to my second post I feel it is likely that town here will recover we just need to give them a bit of breathing room and stay positive so the negativity starts to peter out.

meh I don't really agree with a negative chi. just people calling each other scum and trying to get them lynched.

I did notice that misa's first 2 games were town so it's going to be interesting to see what she flips. If she is scum, she has fallen into the trap that so many other n00b scum have fallen into. Unfortuantely there isn't enough to lynch her for so we'll wait for a replacement

TwoFace · Post Post #522 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:21 am

In post 518, Human Sequencer wrote:including TB's inactivity

But that's my point. There was no TB inactivity.

TwoFace · Post Post #525 (isolation #95) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:41 am

Everything was fine until all these replacements happend. We have 1 other player who will probably end up getting replaced for inactivity.

TwoFace · Post Post #528 (isolation #96) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:24 am

this game is a joke

TwoFace · Post Post #530 (isolation #97) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:34 am

In post 529, ChaosOmega wrote:ThinkBig's iso looks pretty ok to me. Anyone that's scumreading him, mind showing me what you're seeing there?

what do you make of copper accusing TB of avoiding the game, when he clearly wasn't

also your opinion of HS who seems to be dodging my question on the same subject.

TwoFace · Post Post #534 (isolation #98) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:52 am

In post 531, Human Sequencer wrote:I
ANSWERED
YOU

AND THEN YOU CAME BACK CLAIMING THAT TB WASN'T INACTIVE
A PLAYER
ON V/LA
24 POSTS
NOT INACTIVE

actually you didn't. You have a very wordy answer to avoid answering it.

This was your response

In post 518, Human Sequencer wrote:I think Copper was correlating up a case based on a lot of different leads, including TB's inactivity and TB's jump on his wagon. I don't think it would have pinged strongly to him were it not for other information to flesh out his case.

The post history shows that TB was neither inactive or avoiding the game.

So what is your opinion of Copper basically lying about TB's activity.

I don't know why it's like pulling teeth to get you to answer this simple question.

TwoFace · Post Post #536 (isolation #99) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:01 am

my question is already pretty concise. I don't know how to make it more concise

Here is my original question that you for some reason won't give an answer to.

In post 511, TwoFace wrote:What is your opinion about copper accusing ThinkBig of game avoiding when earlier in the day (saturday the 5th) ThinkBig had just made 14 game related posts including giving a list of reads.

Here is my attempt to make it more concise

Copper falsely accused TB of avoiding the game when the facts show he actually wasn't. What is your opinion of Copper's false accusation

TwoFace · Post Post #538 (isolation #100) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:09 am

no hs has been on my scumdar for a while, the fact that he is avoiding such a simple question doesn't help him though.

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:55 am

No she's not

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:53 am

@mort. You have issues with tb using other people's reasons yet you don't balk when HS just sheeps you despite voting you previously. That didn't raise any red flags?

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:56 am

I wouldn't object to a misa lynch. Much better than a TB lynch. Not as good as a copper or HS lynch though.

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:57 am

In post 409, MortFeld wrote:TB's explanation for his vote on Copper references something Copper did after TB voted Copper.

HS looks more town.

I want to run TB up but V/LA is a shield. Well, I'm going to run TB up. If I decide I'd rather lynch someone else I'll vote them.

VOTE: TB

In post 411, Human Sequencer wrote:This is true. Good pickup.

That's enough to get me on board. I think we'll get a lot more out of this.

VOTE: ThinkBig

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:59 am

I actually agree with creature.

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:04 pm

But I'm not the one saying sheeping is scummy. You basically are

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 555, TwoFace wrote:I actually agree with creeps.

Fixed

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:42 pm

In post 556, Creeps20 wrote:Copper feels townish. Let's see what is going on with his replacement shall we?

Why does he fee townish?

His replacement isn't doesn't change things. It's better we just lynch the slot now. The slot is doomed so let's not put the replacement though unnecessary work

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:48 pm

Creeps is saying misa is playing different

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:49 pm

He's just not explaining it well.

TwoFace · Post Post #578 (isolation #111) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:33 pm

Just trying to be considerate to cooper's potentially replacement.

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:38 pm

In post 587, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:Okay, cool. Can someone catch me up on what's happened so far?

You're scum. My condolences

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:40 pm

In post 582, Human Sequencer wrote:Could you please give me a detailed post citing why you believe I'm scum?
You're treating Copper and I as confirmed scum and I don't believe either of us have done enough to warrant that read. I want to understand.

Sure I could but that would take time away from trying to lynch copper

TwoFace · Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:42 pm

In post 589, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:Alright, I'll read that. Thanks.

I honestly wouldn't put much effort into this game. You won't be around very long.

TwoFace · Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:09 am

In post 594, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:So TwoFace scumreads me for... what reason exactly? Because my slot got into an argument with him over the definition of a role?

Nope try again.

TwoFace · Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:18 am

In post 595, Human Sequencer wrote:An argument over the definition of the word 'Lynchbait' and how that influences each others' reads.

Why are you acting like that's the reason when it's not. I even quoted and explained it's

Also

Answer my question already.

What's your opinion of copper blatantly lying about TBs activity. I shouldn't have to ask you this many times.

TwoFace · Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:22 am

In post 599, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:
In post 597, TwoFace wrote:
In post 594, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:So TwoFace scumreads me for... what reason exactly? Because my slot got into an argument with him over the definition of a role?
Nope try again.
So what is your reasoning? Care to explain? Or don't you feel like answering that?

Already have Not going to do it again. Lazy scum is lazy.

TwoFace · Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:50 am

In post 601, Human Sequencer wrote:You have problems bro.

Like I said before, I believe that it's blatantly obvious that ThinkBig was inactive at that time and will ignore you if you ask again, because I don't need to answer to a VI.

Wobbuffet just asked you to explain your reasoning on why you scumread him. That's a pretty simple question, we shouldn't have to ask you again and again.

He made 14 posts just hours before copper made that accusation. 19 posts total and the game hadn't even been open 2 full days. How is that inactive?
And did you really just fucking call me a VI?

Let me get through day 2 and then I'm replacing out of this game. Now I have to decide you or copper.

TwoFace · Post Post #607 (isolation #119) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:04 am

In post 605, Human Sequencer wrote:It seems to me as if your scumreads are primarily centered around who calls you a VI more often.
Can you confirm or deny this?

No because I was scum reading both of you before either called me a VI. Way to misrep

TwoFace · Post Post #608 (isolation #120) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:05 am

In post 606, Human Sequencer wrote:I would really rather keep the replacements to a minimum.
Please would you stick it out for the rest of us?

Lynch you today and I won't replace out

TwoFace · Post Post #610 (isolation #121) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:13 am

Didn't say it's a personal playground. I'm trying to lynch my top 2 scum reads. People who did in my eyes legitimately scummy things. I'd prefer lynching one today to make the game easier for the rest of town.

TwoFace · Post Post #612 (isolation #122) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:23 am

You don't really want to ask me what I think is fair because what I think is fair would just make the game more unbearable. So just stop talking to me.

TwoFace · Post Post #620 (isolation #123) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:53 am

Policy lynch me for trying to lynch my scum reads? Fine go ahead but at least wait til Day 2

TwoFace · Post Post #622 (isolation #124) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:55 am

In post 621, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:VOTE: TwoFace

As much as I TR TwoFace, I feel like a policy lynch is necessary here. He's already shown that he's unwilling to contribute thoughtfully to the game, so I think that lynching them won't hurt too much even if they do flip town. And yeah, maybe it'll turn out that they're actually mafia.

I've contributed thoughtfully. Thanks.

TwoFace · Post Post #630 (isolation #125) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:04 am

This is such bullshit.

TwoFace · Post Post #632 (isolation #126) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:05 am

In post 629, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:
In post 623, ChaosOmega wrote:Wobbuffet, how do you strongly townread TwoFace if you don't understand why he's scumreading you?
I don't strongly townread them. However, I do get the feeling that they're a townie who's made the mistake of not justifying their scumreads and being overly defensive. I could very well be wrong though.

I've justified them though. It's not my fault you can't be bothered to read.

TwoFace · Post Post #637 (isolation #127) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:12 am

In post 635, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:
In post 632, TwoFace wrote:
In post 629, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:
In post 623, ChaosOmega wrote:Wobbuffet, how do you strongly townread TwoFace if you don't understand why he's scumreading you?
I don't strongly townread them. However, I do get the feeling that they're a townie who's made the mistake of not justifying their scumreads and being overly defensive. I could very well be wrong though.
I've justified them though. It's not my fault you can't be bothered to read.
Read what? I've already asked you for a post number. I seem to recall that you ignored the question. If you really did give some decent reasoning, I'll happily retract my comment.

I don't remember the post numbers. I'm on a mobile device. My reasons are in different posts. You replaced on so you'll find them when you read the thread.

TwoFace · Post Post #642 (isolation #128) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:19 am

In post 639, Drone wrote:@TF
It's enough for him to read the latest of pages, he doesn't have to read it all. And surely, there's a night phase coming for him to catch up all he missed.

Well replacements need to read everything from the beginning to the end before they accuse people of not explaining my reads. I've made multiple posts that explain why I'm scum reading copper. I even reiterate one of those reasons after this guy replaced in. He wants posts numbers but I'm not able to do that ATM. I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to help out the person I'm trying to lynch.

TwoFace · Post Post #643 (isolation #129) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:21 am

In post 641, Naomi-Tan wrote:This would be fine by TF said he has no intentions of replacing out :s and is still got all the focus..

Why should I? The people I'm scum reading are insulting me. Why would I let them win when I can just get rid of them and show they were scum all along. It's more enjoyable that way

TwoFace · Post Post #646 (isolation #130) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:25 am

In post 644, Drone wrote:You can, ISO'ing yourself?

no I can't

In post 637, TwoFace wrote:I'm on a mobile device

In post 642, TwoFace wrote:I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to help out the person I'm trying to lynch.

TwoFace · Post Post #647 (isolation #131) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:26 am

yeah scum want me gone today so good idea to lynch me before I can take one of them out

TwoFace · Post Post #653 (isolation #132) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:30 am

In post 651, Drone wrote:He's referring to this. Which is wrong.

yes that's one of the reasons. I think mort later asked me about it and we had a discussion on why I found it scummy. You can disagree with me and say it's wrong, but I don't think it is.

add in the fact that all he has basically done is OMGUS people and he lied about TB's activity

none of that looks like town to me.

TwoFace · Post Post #657 (isolation #133) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:34 am

why do I need to clarify myself to my scum read though? I don't care what my scum read thinks of me, tbh i don't care what anyone thinks of me. I just care about lynching my scum reads and that is all anyone should care about.

TwoFace · Post Post #659 (isolation #134) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:35 am

In post 656, Human Sequencer wrote:It's you or me.

That claim puzzles me.

TwoFace, please confirm, are you claiming vig?

role fishing noted

TwoFace · Post Post #662 (isolation #135) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:38 am

In post 658, ChaosOmega wrote:Look through all of copper's posts on site, and search for the word "lynchbait". You might not agree with his position on it, but it's consistent with what he's posted elsewhere.

And I don't think he lied about TB's activity, the game-avoiding he was referring to seemed to be about how TB had posted elsewhere recently but not in this game.

Granted, I don't like Wobbuffet's entrance here much at all, so maybe they're scum. But those points you keep pushing aren't really convincing.

why is everyone hung up on the word lynchbait. that definition is like the least of the things I am scum reading him for.

TB made 14 posts in 1 day before Copper accused him of game avoiding. He made 5 the day before. The game had only been open 2 days, so in those 2 days he made 19 posts and one of them had a list of reads.

THAT IS NOT GAME AVOIDING.

He did lie about TB's activity, 100% bold face blatnat lie.

TwoFace · Post Post #666 (isolation #136) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:40 am

In post 661, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:You don't have to claim, but considering you'll be lynched if you don't, it might be a good idea...

do I look like I care if I am lynched or not? Town wants to be fucking stupid and mislynch me while I am trying to lynch scum, I don't really give a shit.

I have asked to be given a stay until day 2, if town chooses no to, that's their fault not mine.

I am not claiming because I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't be policy lynched for trying to lynch my scum reads.

TwoFace · Post Post #671 (isolation #137) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:44 am

In post 665, Drone wrote:It's a group game. Mental game. You need to care what others think of you

well I don't care. nobody should care what people think of them really.

All I care about is finding scum and getting them lynched. That is what all townies should care about.

The only people who need to care what people think of them are scum. Scum need people to think they are town. I let my actions speak for themselves. My actions show me looking for scum and pushing on my scum reads. If people want to lynch me because I didn't appreciate being called a VI so be it. That's the dumbest reason to lynch and everyone who is on it who is town is actively playing against their win condition by doing so.

TwoFace · Post Post #673 (isolation #138) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:46 am

In post 668, ChaosOmega wrote:Yeah, you should be policy lynched for being a toxic distraction to the game.

how am I distracting the game really? I am trying to lynch scum. I am pointing out scum lying and doing suspicious things.

that's actually called playing the game

TwoFace · Post Post #676 (isolation #139) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:48 am

In post 669, Naomi-Tan wrote:Because you refuse to explain your reads to people replacing in and build a negative environment where multiple players have replaced out because of you. Your kinda ruining this game.

I am sorry, it is the responsibility of the person replacing in to read the game and catch up first. Once he has done that, if he doesn't see why I am scum reading his slot he can then ask me to point them out but since conversations took place about my reasons already i don't see how or why I should requote them. PLUS like I already said I was on a mobile device which means I was not able to go through my entire iso and pull every quote. I can do that later once he has caught up and I am on a computer

TwoFace · Post Post #680 (isolation #140) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:51 am

In post 674, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:So what do you think is more scummy? Lynching someone because you personally believe they're scum after they just happened to lynch you? Or lynching someone and refusing to give reasons for doing so? Because personally, I think the latter.

this is a kind of pointless question because i don't see anyone refusing to give reasons.

TwoFace · Post Post #682 (isolation #141) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:52 am

In post 677, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:Which is something I already did. I asked you, and you avoided the question.

I didn't avoid the question

TwoFace · Post Post #684 (isolation #142) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:53 am

In post 681, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:
In post 680, TwoFace wrote:
In post 674, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:So what do you think is more scummy? Lynching someone because you personally believe they're scum after they just happened to lynch you? Or lynching someone and refusing to give reasons for doing so? Because personally, I think the latter.
this is a kind of pointless question because i don't see anyone refusing to give reasons.
ahem

I have given reasons for scum reading your slot though.

TwoFace · Post Post #686 (isolation #143) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:55 am

In post 683, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:You didn't answer it. Is that not avoiding the question?

no it's not because I already explained why I was unable to at the time and have again explained it a couple of more times.

the reasons I am scum reading your slot are out there. If you are town and I am wrong about you, take your time and read the game thread and if you still can't find them (though people are now quoting them again so I really find it hard to believe you won't be able to find them) AND I am at a computer. I will gladly waste my time to quote things that you should have already seen.

TwoFace · Post Post #687 (isolation #144) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:56 am

In post 685, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:Reasons which I have yet to see since you've refused to tell me.

So wait

You replace in and you refuse to read the game and that's ok somehow but I am scummy because i don't want to requote the reasons for the person who is refusing to take the time and read the game thread like a replacement should?

oh fuck me

yeah just lynch me now.

TwoFace · Post Post #689 (isolation #145) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:02 am

jesus christ. I just got to work. Let me catch up on some things and then I'll help the lazy replacement who can't be bothered to read the entire fucking thread and now i have to requote discussions that took place previously that he would have read himself had he not been so lazy

TwoFace · Post Post #690 (isolation #146) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:43 am

ok so I voted Copper because I agreed with Mort that this post was bad - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8478254

I explain why i think it is bad here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8480817

Here is more explanation from me why I had an issue with his post - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8481099

He looks worse when he falsely accuses me of being flip floppy yet the 2 posts he quotes are me basically saying the same thing.- http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8481161

This post is really bad because he misreps the reason why I am voting him. yes I disagree with his definition of lynchbait, but it isn't his definition of lynchbait why I think he is scum, it's the fact that he said he would unvote when he got to l-1. As i explain in a post with mort later in the day, if he is actually concerned with the way the wagon is progressing why wait until L-1? why not unvote now. A townie who is uneasy imo would unvote.

argument ensues, his arguments fall flat and don't help change my opinion of him at all.

here is more from me why copper is scum to me -http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8483290

posts 383/383 contain me restating why I think he is scum, which again proves I haven't refused to do anything like scum copper replacement has accused me of

387 - me explaining how copper basically tried to twist my posts

Here is the conversation with Mort. Starts here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8486133 and ends at the end of the page.

So in a nutshell i think he is scum because

1. I felt like his reaction to creepy being L-2 didn't make sense. If he was genuinely concerned he would have unvoted, not say he is keeping his vote but will unvote at L-1
2. He attempted to misrep me by saying my posts about him said 2 different things when they clearly didn't. Even when I point them out and show they say the exact same thing, he refuses to admit his mistake. I may be naive but I am of the belief that scum is less likely to admit their mistakes, town should have no problems admitting theirs.
3. The fact that he jumped on TB after TB voted him and went and lied about his activity. There is no evidence that supports Copper's claim and evidence that proves his claim was not true.

I just don't see a town player doing these things so this is why I think he is scum.

and since I am doing it, My scum read on HS is kind of harder to explain. What pinged me first was the weird drone comment. Drone hadn't even posted and he was asking drone if he agreed with him or something like that. Later HS claims he saw the mod post that drone had confirmed but somehow missed that he was on V/LA which I think is unlikely especially when HS said he wasn't skimming. Even if he were skimming, I doubt he would miss that but when HS said he wasn't skimming I just don't see how he misses it. The fact that he avoided my question about copper lying about TB and now actually sides with Copper about TB when the facts prove them both wrong, just points to scum to me.

I think Drone is scum only if HS is scum. Outside of that I don't have a read on drone

Misa - is scummy to me for the fake outrage post she made, her replacing out doesn't bode well but I don't have enough to lynch her which is why I am not trying to atm

Those are my reads, like them or not they are what they are.

ya'll want to policy lynch me for trying to lynch scum, go right ahead but i haven't done shit wrong except maybe be a little abrasive. Who cares. I am active, I am providing reads, I am scum hunting, and I am providing reasons for my reads. AKA PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME

TwoFace · Post Post #691 (isolation #147) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:46 am

In post 626, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:Uh, no. You've thrown out random scum reads and then lashed out at people who've asked you to give reasoning behind them, and
you've refused to do so.

Since I have just proven that I have NEVER refused to explain my reads. This dude needs death tomorrow since you obviously won't lynch him today. I have never refused to explain any of my reads.

TwoFace · Post Post #718 (isolation #148) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:15 am

In post 694, Human Sequencer wrote:Funny this comes on the heel of TwoFace's best post all game. I could've used that pages ago.

I am trying to be polite here, but that post you liked so much, just contains links to my previous posts. I am not sure why you needed to have them compiled into 1 big huge post, when they were already in my iso.

That post also proves that I have never refused to explain my reads like wobbuffet claimed. Directing him to my read the game was an appropriate response because 1. he was a replacement and it's his responsibility to do this and 2. as explained I was on a mobile device and in no way able to make the kind of post he wanted me to make.

I am taking a break for a couple of days to calm down and get my feelings in check. I too am overly sensitive and my feelings have been hurt.

You guys know WHO my scum reads are. you know WHY they are my scum reads. if you say you don't, then you just flat out aren't reading the game.

If you don't agree with me, fine just ignore me. i am used to that.
If you do agree with me, fine vote one of the 2, this would make me really happy. Especially if you vote wobbuffet.

Trying to change my opinion isn't going to work and will just result in more of back and forth stuff people are already complaining about.

Have a nice day.

p.edit - I'll still be reading along and doing a lot of biting my tongue, but if somebody asks me a direct question I will respond to it.

TwoFace · Post Post #722 (isolation #149) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:53 am

since you directed something at me. I don't do cases though. I post reasons. retyping everything into 1 post is a waste of time. Just like I won't ever make a reads list. telling people who I think are town is a waste of time and effort.

At least 2 different times I had discussions with people about my scum read on copper and then somebody comes in and accuses me of not explaining them and you all decide I am policy lynch worthy because of it. That's dumb

TwoFace · Post Post #723 (isolation #150) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:54 am

adn not even policy lynch worthy. compalin to the mod and try and WOTC me.

TwoFace · Post Post #726 (isolation #151) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:14 am

Funny, I'd say the peopl who can't read the thread and find the reasons themselves shouldn't play the game. Guess we have differences of opinions. I'm not the only person on this site who thinks cases are pointless. Some even say they are antitown. Since that's a theory discussion I'll drop it and move on.

I'll also stop responding to you for now because I felt like that entire post was an unnecessary cheap shot.

TwoFace · Post Post #755 (isolation #152) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 2:55 pm

In post 746, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:we don't lose much because they're not contributing to town by giving actual reasoning anyway.

Sorry guys, I know I said I would bite my tongue, and I will but I just want to point out that this statement has been proven false here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8489932

There is no way he can see that post and still claim I am refusing to give actual reasons for my votes. In fact it shows I have given reasons for my vote multiple times.

I like the posts being made about HS as well. It's such a shame that the threat of a policy lynch was what was needed for people to see I was probably right the entire time.

Good night. RIP America

TwoFace · Post Post #780 (isolation #153) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:22 pm

In post 779, MortFeld wrote:TwoFace has been aggressive but not in a gamesolvey way,

And by this he means I have developed 2 fairly strong scum reads, which he is suspicious of himself. I have also 2 light scum reads.

So basically I have been aggressive in a game solving way.

TwoFace · Post Post #784 (isolation #154) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:30 pm

Interesting mort left out the part where creeps has soft claimed a pr

P.edit oh now he says something

TwoFace · Post Post #790 (isolation #155) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:40 pm

I actually had mort as a town read. Though I'm not so sure anymore.

TwoFace · Post Post #791 (isolation #156) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:42 pm

I was a pl target because I told wobbet he should stop being lazy and read the game. You should also read the game instead of listening to others and letting them bias you.

TwoFace · Post Post #799 (isolation #157) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:49 pm

In post 793, MortFeld wrote:What on earth is making you unsure?

How about the complete misrepresentation of my play. Saying I haven't tried to game solve is a bold face lie

The deliberately leaving out the fact creeps had soft claimed.

TwoFace · Post Post #802 (isolation #158) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:51 pm

In post 794, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:If anyone was lazy, it was you. It's perfectly reasonable that I shouldn't have to look through 30 pages to find some vague reasoning as to why you think I'm scum, when you could easily just tell me yourself.

Except my reasons were far from vague but carry on.

TwoFace · Post Post #827 (isolation #159) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:20 am

In post 806, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:They're also trying to get Mort lynched for something that was pretty clearly a mistake

Blatant lie

TwoFace · Post Post #830 (isolation #160) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:59 am

In post 829, Drone wrote:It is a scum tell though. Being overly defensive over any accusation hints that one has something to hide.

Not true at all. Town are defensive just as much if not more so. If somebody lies about you, your natural reaction is to object and defend yourself.

TwoFace · Post Post #831 (isolation #161) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:01 am

And on this site and every other site I've played being defensive is nai. If you honestly think it's scummy or a scum tell you need to seriously throw that idea out of you're head.

TwoFace · Post Post #835 (isolation #162) » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:18 am

In post 833, Drone wrote:I do indeed think that, but there's a lot thing called "circumstances" which you need to consider.
In your cases, from what I've seen. It's NAI. Otherwise I would have voted you long ago.

Not sure where you learned that it's towny and town are prone to be much more defensive than scum. It's just not right.
In fact, good town players tend to have comebacks, which is a different thing.

I learned that cause I do it as town. Ive seen othersdo it as town. I've seen town mislynched a bazillion times for it. If I had the time I could probably find 50 examples of town being called defensive or overly defensive.

It's human nature to defend yourself when wrongfully accused. I'm sorry you can't grasp that concept if you are indeed town. You'll be a much better player once you drop that kind of thinking.

TwoFace · Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:01 am

I'm not being force replaced.

TwoFace · Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:04 am

I don't think you'll be force replaced either. Hope not anyway.

I still don't know why we're letting wobbuffet off the hook. I've caught him in 2 lies already.

TwoFace · Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:05 am

Well technically 3 but who's counting

TwoFace · Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:34 am

In post 894, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:
In post 886, TwoFace wrote:I don't think you'll be force replaced either. Hope not anyway.

I still don't know why we're letting wobbuffet off the hook. I've caught him in 2 lies already.
Which are...?

Unwilling to contribute though fully to the game
Lashed out at people who've asked for reasons and I've refused to give them
Not justifying my scum reads
Refusing to give reasons
Avoided the question
That my reason for scum reading your slot was because I disagree with the term lynchbait
Not contributing to the game by giving actual reasons
That I'm trying to get mort lynched.

None of these are true. Yes I realize some of these are duplicates. It's one thing to make a simple mistake. It's another to repeatedly lie over and over again.

TwoFace · Post Post #906 (isolation #167) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:29 am

Yeah no I'm not going to do that Naomi. It's his job as s replacement to read first before making baseless accusations. If he was unable to he should have just said that. Like when I said I was unable to because I was on a mobile, which of course he twisted that into me refusing. Y'all want to make excuses for his behavior go right ahead but I don't see how any of that comes from town.

TwoFace · Post Post #908 (isolation #168) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:43 am

I just posted many examples of him lying. Regardless who he replaced that's it green behavior

TwoFace · Post Post #909 (isolation #169) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:44 am

That's not green behavior

TwoFace · Post Post #912 (isolation #170) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:08 am

No I'm dead serious.

TwoFace · Post Post #914 (isolation #171) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:57 am

That post is all of the examples of him lying.

TwoFace · Post Post #915 (isolation #172) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:59 am

for some reason everyone wants to give him a free pass and I have accepted that. I am not ok with it, but I have accepted it. since his lynch isn't going to happen, i'll probably join the hs wagon

TwoFace · Post Post #916 (isolation #173) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:03 am

@naomi- can you please show me any examples of green posting from wobbuffet and explain why they are more likely to come from green and not red. Obviously I am biased but i don't see a single useful post from him

TwoFace · Post Post #918 (isolation #174) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:21 am

Those things I typed are almost word for word what he says in his posts. I didn't quite them as I was on a mobile.

If you read his posts you will see they are true. The fact you just said that saddens me because it seems like you aren't reading his posts.

TwoFace · Post Post #919 (isolation #175) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:22 am

My motives are clear. Prove my scum read has lied multiple times.

If somebody can justify that as green behavior please go ahead. I need a good laugh

TwoFace · Post Post #923 (isolation #176) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:33 am

good post by toto

TwoFace · Post Post #926 (isolation #177) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:45 am

yeah that red/green is catchy. damn you naomi lol

TwoFace · Post Post #932 (isolation #178) » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:53 pm

So the replacements and TB need to produce more useable content. Waiting sucks.

TwoFace · Post Post #958 (isolation #179) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:25 am

Naomi. Thoughts on Chaos please.

TwoFace · Post Post #961 (isolation #180) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:02 am

There's no tf/mort connection.

TwoFace · Post Post #967 (isolation #181) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:20 am

In post 966, MortFeld wrote:Also, any connection you see with TF is odd because I don't read them Green! and I don't know their alignment.

Why not? I'm like most obvious green in the game

TwoFace · Post Post #969 (isolation #182) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:23 am

Dunn and massive are alts? Wonder who their mains are. I've played with both before and never knew that. btw grapes we've played together before.

TwoFace · Post Post #970 (isolation #183) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:24 am

Damn wrong game. Ignore that

TwoFace · Post Post #971 (isolation #184) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:26 am

In post 968, MortFeld wrote:
In post 967, TwoFace wrote:
In post 966, MortFeld wrote:Also, any connection you see with TF is odd because I don't read them Green! and I don't know their alignment.
Why not? I'm like most obvious green in the game
Is this just megalomania or are you reasoning this?

Idk what megalomania means but yeah based on my play I should be obv town to everyone.

TwoFace · Post Post #977 (isolation #185) » Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:20 am

the replacements and think big are slowing the game down atm

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:30 am

naomi. If somebody was scum reading somebody. Did a 180 on them and later another 180 would that raise and red flags for you?

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:51 pm

That's probably due to the fact that wobbuffet isn't really doing anything. HS was posting a lot.

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:36 pm

In post 1019, Toto wrote:Like, he could have played the newbie card but he didn't.

But he's not a noob so he wouldn't get away with it. Plus that response could be honest and him still be scum.

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:37 pm

Naomi looks really bad also.

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:41 pm

Only reason why he's not at l-1 is I've been waiting for the inactives/replacements to catch up.

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:46 pm

In post 1026, Toto wrote:He kept honest.

Scum aren't going to lie if they don't have to. At least they shouldn't.

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 1028, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1026, Toto wrote:He kept honest.
Scum aren't going to lie if they don't have to. At least they shouldn't.

But we're talking about wobbuffet who's been caught lying multiple times. So how do you ignore those and say he's been honest?

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:25 pm

When you simplify it. He said that I never explained why I was scum reading his slot, which wasn't true because I provided links to my posts where I explained them. He said my reasons were vague, but they clearly weren't especially since mort and I had a page long discussion about part of it. Thirdly he said I'm trying to lynch mort and I've never even voted mort.

If people don't want to call them lies, fine but what do you call them? Mistakes? Had he read like he should have (which I'm pretty sure he still hasn't) before making such accusations, he wouldn't have made them to begin with.

His play doesn't resemble a green player who has replaced into a game and wants to help figure things out. I don't see him trying to figure anything out.

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:54 pm

In post 629, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:I do get the feeling that they're a townie who's made the mistake of not justifying their scumreads and being overly defensive.

In post 806, DeathByWobbuffet wrote:I used to TR TwoFace, but I'm not so sure anymore. They seem to be getting overly defensive whenever anyone makes any kind of accusation about them.

Can we go back to this for a second. Earlier you told chaos you were town reading me for being overdefsive. Now
You're scum reading me for the same thing? How does that work?

P.edit - wobo is definitely scum.

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 3:59 pm

In post 1039, MortFeld wrote:Well then he only has 2 scum reads. I'm trying to be charitable.

No supposedly I'm scum for the same reason he was previously town reading me

TwoFace · Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:31 pm

In post 1046, MortFeld wrote:I asked you for a reads list. Where did I ask you to exclude TF?

You did say you wanted to hear more from him outside of his dislike for me so I could see why he interpreted it the way he did.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:25 am

In post 1058, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 1024, TwoFace wrote:Naomi looks really bad also.
My normal kind of bad or the red kind of bad?

Red

TwoFace · Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:44 am

Basically. The multiple 180s on mort were very weird. Your response to my question was weird. Your unvote when nobody else was going along with you and you saying the reason was because they didn't react like you thought they were was weird because surely you're smart enough to realize nobody is going to react to a single vote.

It just all looks not green to me.

TwoFace · Sat Nov 12, 2016 3:02 am

433- votes mort. Thinks he's red.
564 - now he's stepped it up. More and more less likely to be red motivation
959 - back to scum reading him and for not good reasons
1020 - unvotes cause it's a terrible train (no shit). Thinking her 1 vote would be strong enough to generate a reaction is not something I'd expect from green Naomi.

Side note 624 is terrible because I was never stopping anyone from scum hunting. I certainly didn't stop her from it.
Side note 2- 702 is also terrible. Said I was red reading everyone blindly. That's complete false. I had 2 strong scum reads, was pushing on one refusing to back down, and I had reasons for it.

Naomi is probably scum here. Making up reasons to "policy lynch" me. Doing 180s on mort for bad reasons. Unvoting when she realizes she doesn't look green and says it's for not getting any sort of reaction when green Naomi should know better. Most players if scum(or even town) are going to react to 1 vote.