SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Drunken Pirates]

Bee boop. Beeeep.

Need to read for detail, just confirming we got our role.

I will need to talk about ABR's approach with Mollie.

Pedit, what? You can't get in Mollie. Gah...


~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

hi guys

what is going on

I am currently locked out of our account so I am waiting on titus to sort it out.

Aghhh

[Drunken Pirates]

Drixx, I will have a recommendation for the adventure later today.

If I get things right, mc travels alone so it's just region today.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Scum can kill anyone they want N1 except for Drixx. That's a scary thought.

Harsh much?

Varsoon never make it that easy for scum. You seem to be whining.

If Drixx obvtowns we'll be the Drunken Pirates of the Learned Hand, the strongest town blocking force to protect the seven seas.

Regardless, he's not getting lynched today ABR. All your shit is spam to me atm and I am in a cranky mood.

[Drunken Pirates]

hi guys

what is going on

I am currently locked out of our account so I am waiting on titus to sort it out.

pickup

I am in my account now!!!

[Drunken Pirates]

hi guys

what is going on

I am currently locked out of our account so I am waiting on titus to sort it out.

Hey mollie

ya town?

Please be town

I wana town bloc you so badly

we are very town zzthing

[Drunken Pirates]

Drixx, I will have a recommendation for the adventure later today.

If I get things right, mc travels alone so it's just region today.

~Titus

Why later, just say it now so we have something to talk about.

VOTE: Drunken Pirates

For ignoring this pertiment question.

I haven't read for detail yet. I was going to read for detail before court but tech issues. Right now, the only issue I want to investigate is your lynch, but being an asshole isn't alignment indicative. I am very cranky got no sleep. Have court and just blah. I will get to this today. Ffs.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Albert, never, NEVER ask Titus to reveal her plans earlier than she wants. My vote definitely stays.

I have no plans yet. I am confused by things atm. One step at a time? *blinks*

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh I do have one plan. I lied.

I am only posting in evenings if I can help it unless someone asks a direct question. Mollie leads D1. I hate it.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Albert, never, NEVER ask Titus to reveal her plans earlier than she wants. My vote definitely stays.

I have no plans yet. I am confused by things atm. One step at a time? *blinks*

~Titus

Wat?

I cannot plan without knowing the pieces on the board. You will see plans from me. Not just right now. :nod:

Gotta run.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Off for some cs. might eb back in an hour (or two) (or three...)

pedit: I meant to just chill. Anger is good at times but this is not the time yet. brah :~ lets be aweasom and win this swiftly mkay?

pedit: Titus....

stahp

i am moments away from voting you.

zzthing ffs give me a chance to thoroughly read the game plz

[Drunken Pirates]

okay I am caught up

I am also on the phone with titus.

I think drixx is town, zzthing and unfortunately possibly abr.

that is what I have so far.

[Drunken Pirates]

hey hindu!

I have a lot about you from the commune!

what up

[Drunken Pirates]

also

this hydra is a healing hydra so that I can stop wanting to murder titus and so that titus will not take it personally that I wanna always murder her. we are hoping to end the shit war between us and learn to get along. we have very different playstyles and very different game approaches but we have agreed to a plan of action; I am going to do most of the heavy lifting on d1 and if we are alive after d3. I am at my best early in the game cos I read players based on reactions whereas titus does better flips and more info. we are going to communicate via text and phone.

true story: when titus and i were talking about game approaches we covered policy lynches and she said she is against them. I said I used to feel that way but I had a change of heart and she asked why. I said "cos of you!" and she laughed and said "I knew it!". <---- I am feeling good about this hydra.

most of the reads on d1 will be MY reads but I AM discussing them with her.

flum is ticking my scumdar so

VOTE: fluminator

I am also very happy with my role.

[Drunken Pirates]

zzthing where did you go

[Drunken Pirates]

Bookmark post so I can follow this game from my mains topics.

Putting it in the hydra cause idk, don't want floating ego posts without any iso. I'll be around later and reading throughout, but I'm going to be trying to limit my posting during work cause it's bad and making me bad at my job.


Until then, leave me a list of shit to give my thoughts on so when I get home I have a good reason to actually dive into the game.

kthxbai.

-Cerb

I wld like thoughts on my reads cerb!

[Drunken Pirates]

mollie are you scum

~Spiffy

nope.

ask hippy, he spent 3 months looking at my scumgame if he scumreads me he is confscum cos he of all pple shld know better

[Drunken Pirates]

I fucking hate pirate mollie like Tormund Giantsbane hates Thenns and has to repeat it every season.

why don't you write another 5 paragraph essay on "why I hate pirate mollie" mebbe we can compile a novel. I told titus she was gonna be the 1 to deal with you but if you are gonna goad and insult I sure as fuck am gonna fight back.

[Drunken Pirates]

"Unfortunately he's town" yeah keep having Titus be the one to talk to me because I rather you keep my name outta your posts real sick of your shit

I wasn't talking to you I was talking ABOUT you surely you can nuance the difference.

I think you are town cos scum!you usually isn't quite so confrontational, wld you agree?

@ lina

is eta2 directed to me?

[Drunken Pirates]

@DP
yea

Btw if you dislike each other can you just not talk to each other please ^_^

~Lina

I will ignore him if he will ignore me.

flum has made 2 posts the second 1 was where he hit da club

[Drunken Pirates]

Wow.... there is so much happening here.. I am so confused. I dont know where to begin on day1.

shit this what happens when i come back after months..

And

Varson

What a lovely setup, i dont know where to begin to appreciate your efforts for this setup. God bless you[/b]

don't you mean krishna

and you know I am going to be looking at your reads so there is no way I am going to let you play dumb cos I know for a fact that you aren't!

I have missed you arc.

zzthing, there is going to be some adjustment with this hydra. you know titus and are like night and day so it shld be expected that there is gonna be some dissonance. we have a system worked out and when she posted I texted her and was like "remember our agreement!". give us some space plz to work things out a bit.

[Drunken Pirates]

ignoring wont get anything good. afterall this is mafia and we need to know each others allignments..

Mollie i dont think u answered me. are you town?

I did answer you zzthing, it is in my iso! it is like the second post I made I think.

for the good of humanity i am going to mostly ignore him. I already have a read on him anyway he is a town lean cos when abr is scum he is positively saintly when he town he doesn't give a shit who he pisses off.

[Drunken Pirates]

Well, all I know, DGB is that you didn't do much better in GoD mafia...

nono
nononono

dramalama let players not post for over a week I think bpc didn't post for like 13 days or something and I said on d1 that anti was scum and then he didn't post for like ever and then I died. I wish I wld have pushed him harder but the n1 missing scumkill really did point to anti.

dgb is town.

[Drunken Pirates]

If you guys ever want me to MC, you know I am a team player.

Well actually I know it seems odd to claim miller and request this but if you read emilia story you'll understand that Emilia is not a bad person and only accused to something wrong [Miller!] so we want to be in MC as well ...

@Molie I cant understand your last post . to much abbreviations. can you rephrase it please ?

~Rylai

which abbreviations do you not understand? I will be happy to clarify but I need to know what it is I am trying to clarify.

[Drunken Pirates]

If you guys ever want me to MC, you know I am a team player.

Everyone know you're a team player dear. I just hope youre town in this game. I hate seeing you as scum.

Likewise I would find it very humiliating to lose to AA9scum.

Ha ha ha ha.. History says you lost to AA9Scum once.. remember the game with oversoul? i was his best scum mate.

I THOUGHT EVERY1 AGREED TO FORGET ABOUT PIKMAN

[Drunken Pirates]

Can we just skip the RVS and cut to the chase? Is there a reason in the OP that Drixx is MC, and I just missed it? Or is it some other reason we don't yet know?

PEdit: I think he chooses a party today.

You're the one who cast the first RVS vote, and very few players have even posted. Nothing wrong with getting out of RVS, but if you want to, you have to do it yourself. not sure if asking people will help.

Pedit: titus' day one can make you confident of her alignment? You two close?

This is a bad post.

~Spiffy

what makes it bad spiffy?

[Drunken Pirates]

dramalama let players not post for over a week I think bpc didn't post for like 13 days or something and I said on d1 that anti was scum and then he didn't post for like ever and then I died. I wish I wld have pushed him harder but the n1 missing scumkill really did point to anti.

I didn't understand this mollie I can't understand what are you saying

@Angel : yeah I understand that completly , that's my meta as well to misunderstand and get tunneled till death

I am referring to a recent game that diamond, dgb and I were in. scum tried to nk me n1 but yoyo protected me and then i forgot that anti was in the game I got distracted by his scummates so that is who we lynched and then I died and anti went on and won the game. dgb did indeed have it right towards the end but no1 wld listen to her.

[Drunken Pirates]

Lets be friends I already like you all!

@Mollie what are your reads so far. Can you summarize them for me?

I think we need to make a townblock. I'm betting Drixx is town. so are you. I like ArcAngel and DS as well . But I might need to read some meta stuff!

~Rylai

well

I have given reads so far.

I think zzthing is town for his reach out when he is scum he has a tendency to lurk and hope no1 notices. I think abr is town for reasons as stated. I think drixx is town his posts reek of town trying to figure out a plan. diamond strikes me as town cos his posts seem town motivated. I think flum is scummy for reasons already stated but it is a light scumread. arc is unsure, I am waiting for her to do stuff. I am waiting for a lot of pple to do stuff. gogurt (this is wguerts that is just what I like to call him) seems townish cos he is already screeching for a town bloc which is what he did in team mafia and he was town. I think dgb is town cos her thoughts line up with my own.

that is all I got so far.

[Drunken Pirates]

@mollie and Arc

I need to see both of your town meta's if you can give me that. thx already

~Rylai

[Drunken Pirates]

ZZZX is the only person I think I've seen before so far and he's already posted more in this game than all my other games with him combined. I think that's a good thing?

we played together in hu2

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: Fluminator

~Spiffy

hhhmm...

[Drunken Pirates]

Main Character: Drixx

VOTE: Fluminator

I don't like Flum's posts, and Drixx is obviously town.

Titus?
Why don't you like them?

wat is this post I don't even

[Drunken Pirates]

@mollie and Arc

I need to see both of your town meta's if you can give me that. thx already

~Rylai

<image thing>

Can you give me that please ? I'm just a meta readers at night -before sleep. that makes my feelings more accurate about people.

~Rylai

I probably have over a completed 150 town games speckled all over the place by now they really aren't too hard to find. I play a lot of games.

I mean I guess you can start here:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62944

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63662

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60017

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60471 <---- not sure if this counts I was a replace in and only made 4 posts but I lynched scum tho! and then died.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60729

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60385

those are my recent larges but it is a start. I can give you more if you want I guess.

[Drunken Pirates]

dgb cld you explain the townread on spiffy plz

I am trying to wait patiently on hippy.

[Drunken Pirates]

I don't know who you are and I don't give two shits. Sit the fuck back down, you don't order anyone around here.

Chill bro. Everything has a time

dont let this go into team mafia again :~

on other notes ABR might be town.

++ townish points for zzzx

do you understand what zzthing is referencing in that post?

[Drunken Pirates]

He's scum, but his wagon is crap. Not in the sense that it's scum driven. In the sense that it won't lead to a scum lynch. And I feel like my sense of understanding wagons is better than my sense of understanding people.

I think I understand that a bit better. You're saying the wagon is too shaky and wishy-washy to actually lead to a lynch.

Let me help. This wagon is led by two strong willed females who think it will catch scum. There's no wishy washy.

Now, I am going to provide my view on who else has posted. Yet make no mistake, our slot wants Fluminator lynched.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

He's scum, but his wagon is crap. Not in the sense that it's scum driven. In the sense that it won't lead to a scum lynch. And I feel like my sense of understanding wagons is better than my sense of understanding people.

I think I understand that a bit better. You're saying the wagon is too shaky and wishy-washy to actually lead to a lynch.

Basically.

I'm saying if it does actually lead to a lynch, I doubt he's scum. But I don't think it will lead to a lynch.

It will. Absolutely.

Join it.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Post 14 by Maxwell Puckett rubs me the wrong way. If the locations are linked to powers, then sending Drixx to the dead zone seems pretty dumb.

Diamond Sentinel, I am not your crutch. Your obsession with me is unnatural. I will tell you what I think. You have to put forward what you think. The read you well thing is weird given in our last finished game I lynched you and you were the doctor.

268 by Yosarian makes me lean town but then they try and do a counter to Fluminator.

The miller hydra is weird. They claim miller modifier. Straight up is that gravedigger, miller, universal miller? Also, why did they only ask Mollie for her meta when there are two heads.

The Cerb hydra is very helpful. Abnormally so for him. I fight him all the time on being transparent and he's giving a readwall unprompted. What?

Drixx needs to stop setup speccing. For his advice, the MC shouldn't repeat unless confirmed mechanically. Anywhere but the ghost town is fine with visit 1. Manhattan seems like the best bet if picking.

Mollie will interact with AA9.

Mollie has covered everything else.

This is your nightly Titus update.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh I forgot, I need more Hiplop in my life.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Titus Well, the only other person I know in this game is Spifflop, and neither of them are particularly fond of me, nor I of them.

I'm not trying to use you as a crutch. I'm just terrible at explaining so I look for someone to back me up.

If you're right, I will back you. If you're wrong, I will shut you down.

Now, you should be voting Fluminator.

Facts are facts. They do not change based on likability.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Yos, are you town reading Flub?

Eh. Slightly leaning town on him. I mean how weird would it be for a scum to claim "not Miller" for no reason? That's like pointing a big flashing sign at your head saying "hey cops come investingate me".

There's a giant can on WIFOM in there of course, and it's not worth much. But if he's scum he's really really weird scum. Same with asking for the hammers in such an unsubtle way; again, just don't really see scum playing it like that.

Counterpoint: Godfather, scum wifoing, or deliberately fake cop claim. Godfathers would love investigations.

Power on hammer is null. Not a reason to townread. If you fuck with votes or cops, it's the kinda thing that is mandatory to claim d1.

[Drunken Pirates]

@drixx, that should be handled privately.

whats a universal miller ? We show "Not town" to everyone ...

~Rylai

A universal miller returns scum regardless of the type of investigation. For instance, you would be tracked to every kill, show as guilty to any cop, have a gun to any GS etc.

A gravedigger shows up as guilty to watchers and trackers.

So when you state you have a miller modifier, this is very very unclear.

If you only give false positives to cops, then you're just a miller. Miller modifier is unnecessarily confusing.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I am very particular about miller claims and negative utility roles. It's doubly important because of the language barrier. I have won by not being clear about my own negative utility AND fucked up before.

Miller doesn't preclude the other options. There's zero harm in clarifying.

I will suppose you are a plain miller and a tracker guilty means lynch.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

hi guys

what is going on

I am currently locked out of our account so I am waiting on titus to sort it out.

Hey mollie

ya town?

Please be town

I wana town bloc you so badly

we are very town zzthing

hey zzthing, this was my second post!

I am not at my computer right now I am using some1 else's laptop. it is windows so I am like wtf am I doing IS THIS THE BUTTON I AM SUPPOSED TO PUSH????

titus plz stop posting for a bit pretty plz lemme get a grip on this game.

I was telling titus that this is most likely a role madness game so it will be a little challenging to read cos specials throw off similar tells as scum do cos they have inside info into the set up.

I am sad that spifflop was modkilled

I can't tell if r&l are buddying me or not. I am still waiting for arc to do things. I like the cw that yoyo is trying to start on skybird. are we supposed to pretend max is not an alt? sure then he isn't an alt.

cerb why the angst

who was it who went after arc I shld probs look at that.

I am watching kewldog cos I find it interesting that he is actually giving opinions on things.

my eyes are literally drooping right now I shld go to bed soon. I will be glad to get back to my own computer.

[Drunken Pirates]

I just want you pple to know that if you don't hear from titus it is not because i drowned her in a bathtub and i am currently looking up locations to bury the body where it won't be found its cos she is busy.

[Drunken Pirates]

Moooom, Goofball is insulting me. Make her stooooop.

Yo Mollie, why am I an alt?

cos I showed up at your doorstep and another player answered the door

eta: oh rylai

[Drunken Pirates]

hey hindu!

I have

[heard]

a lot about you from the commune!

what up

Woah. Who are you? LOL

Hi!

I'm mollie!

Ok we both agree to get this out of the way.

We are Emilia

We are a Miller. Flavour reason because we were falsely accused for the murder of our fiance amd got put into a prison but with the help of some friends escaped.

~Rylai and Lina

This

I am not a Miller

and this are really weird to see in the same game. Flum, why'd you make this post?

DGB, thoughts on zzz and his little page 5 thing where he gets mad at drixx? I can see the scum standpoint but it's p good.

ding! ding! ding!

why do you think there is a wagon fluminator!

rylai is a newb and has had a bit of a rough time on the site. she has an emotional playstyle and i am sure you know how well that goes over with the beep boop pod pple group so I am giving her a bit of breathing room. but yeah I noticed the same thing.

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie, I don't think I've ever played with you. Are you confusing me with someone? This is my only account.

humour































your head.

actually we have played together before it was in the aborted game of plants vs zombies with my kuribo hydra. we both thought that you were scum then you got into a tiff and kuribo said "he is town" so then we argued about which scum to lynch first but we lynched scum! so

I don't like how you framed that Rylai and Lina did something wrong with their claim, or that it has anything to do with Flum's. It sounds like you're making concessions for them, but not for their sake, more for your own, to look like you're being reasonable. Mostly I don't feel like they've done anything wrong enough to need those concessions in the first place.

why wld I ever try to look reasonable that is not how I play at all. I just drowned my hydra partner lol.

she still keeps talking how is this theoretically possible when your lungs are full of water. I LOVE YOU TITUS!!!! <3 <3 <3

I find it strange how you ignore lowkey's post who was the first to point this out even tho I was already thinking it at the time. its why I am liking lowkey right now. even if we are wrong we are orienting the game in the same way and since I am town I think he is town cos town moves in herds. even if they are cat herds and every1 is moving in different directions there is still a reasonable expectation that their will be a similar process of thought.

Why would they be Miller and not claim it?

who said this

Sensei, what do you 'get' now? What does dry mean? Sentinel gives me bad vibes but I'm kind of agreeing with them on how I don't like this wagon.

why don't you like the wagon

[Drunken Pirates]

Are you even reading my posts? I've given reads.

so why when I told you that's why people are mainly voting you and you should categorize and share them you pointed out your first post ?!

@Molie I started to get angry. whats the accusation / question / the point lowkey said and you confirmed?! lowkey attacked flum not us. you said your worried about what we did. which part of claiming miller by us you have a problem with?

~Rylai

sshhh....

don't get angry! there is no need to really. max's wking of you sort of makes you look good.

relaaaaaaax

right now i am in data mining mode and picking up on things that seem odd to me and bump up against my own thought processes and stand out. if you are town just let it unfold and try to gather info for yourself that you can use for later in the game. cos scum will more than likely want to keep you around if you are not scum. I am trying to give you time rylai and space, there have been many times where I have wanted this very same thing. I am NOT sure of what your alignment is but that really isn't what you need to focus on, however scumhunting is. how you gather, obtain and apply information will tell me more about your alignment. we are not scum by the way.

[Drunken Pirates]

Is mollie talking to someone else? Is anyone in on this joke? I saw this and thought maybe you made up some bullshit game as a joke to demonstrate how we'd 'totally played before', but apparently the game is real so... I have to ask. Who are you talking to?

you obvsly. since you are the 1 I played the game with.

You. And. Lowkey. Brought up the miller and not miller claims, and agreed that both of them being this close to each other was weird. You said it was weird the miller claimed miller. That's what millers are supposed to do.

sequence of posts is a thing don't you think?

flum said "I am not a miller" and then r&l claimed miller. it was a weird occurrence early on d1. it raised my eyebrows. sort of like the movie the body snatchers type of thing.

It was just a small thing at the beginning but it's gaining traction for vague, silly reasons in a good number of cases, a lot of stuff I don't like is surrounding it, blah blah, it's so Day 1 wagon. Someone put out a nice scum case on Flum that makes this a better wagon than other players, and I might rethink it.

how about you put out a case on who YOU think is scum instead of waiting for other pple to convince you of their own.

And the only other time people criticized a vote on this wagon, it was for a vote that actually had clear reason. Am I in an alternate dimension? What the hell is going on here? After lunch I'm going to make a list of every Flum vote and unvote and talk about what I think of all of them, because these constant questions that keep simplifying how I feel about the wagon are making me tired.

okay

nah, it wasn't weird. Then mollie says she agrees with the not weird thing being weird, and suddenly it's an opinion shared by more than one person and I think it warrants a conversation.

why are you not starting a convo with lowkey about this then?

[Drunken Pirates]

flum said "I am not a miller" and then r&l claimed miller. it was a weird occurrence early on d1. it raised my eyebrows. sort of like the movie the body snatchers type of thing.

Scummy weird?

I mean what should we done? We were millers , we claimed. whats flum post has anything to do with us and or claim?

~Rylai

you did the right thing by claiming!

[Drunken Pirates]

FA's last post feels like it came from scum.

what was scummy about it

[Drunken Pirates]

Ok a few things here.

First, IRL is a bit chaotic so hydra games go last on priority. Mollie's a bit controlling so this works.

Second, the miller thing is me. FA hydra was right to claim miller. It is the borders I am concerned with. I don't want anyone to guilty when unwarranted. Then we'd have this miller debate and be awkward. So if you can check with the mod if you are a universal miller or just a plain miller to avoid disaster, that would be helpful.

Pedit, on phone w Mollie.

[Drunken Pirates]

@FA, I want you to ask whether you're a miller or a universal miller as I defined in 370.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm not sure those probabilities are right. Starting from a basis of randomly picked roles is flawed when these roles were created specifically by Varsoon based off of flavour. Nothing random about it. So, applying these to that small random chance is pointless.

The existence of a miller guarantees investigative roles, and in a handcrafted game, investigative roles can be used with result modifiers, such as miller and godfather. So the chances are not 3-5%, but much higher. Of there being a godfather, I mean, not of Flum specifically being one. I'd say there'slike a... 1/3 chance, but that'd just be a guess based on nothing. I DO think your estimate is incredibly low.

But, I do like the end of your post, Yosarian. Something like that shouldn't be evidence for someone being scum, to the point that it's what makes you vote a person.

PEDIT: Yeah Wicked's entrance was good

Stop with the math and setup spec. We both know Varsoon loves godfathers and millers. This math thing from you is crappy.

The Shiro/FA wagon is a load of crap.

[Drunken Pirates]

I would like either DGB or Yosarian for MC.

Give me a Fluminator vote and I will talk to Mollie on this.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

No, Rylai is scum. I don't care who you vote for MC.

Talk to me about it. I don't see them as scum at all.

Talk to me about your Fluminator read.

[Drunken Pirates]

@ABR - I am talking to you because I want to work with you. Wicked has no experience with the hydra. The "weird" posts are going to be natural in someone's ISO who has English as a second language. It's not enough to state something's weird but to articulate why. That's for this head and you basically don't want to talk with Mollie.

Also, Fluminator has 20 plus posts and read walls. Most of the game's content has centered on Fluminator. If you don't have a thought on an active player, my thought is why?

@MaxwellPuckett, No you weren't in 512. You still had 1/3 chance of a godfather in the game. This is math to justify a low chance of an irrelevant point. We are talking about millers not godfathers.

[Drunken Pirates]

Well Nevermind. Now we are talking about godfathers. Still this random point is not cool. The math supposes a random probabilities apply to every role evenly. By scumhunting, we are naturally eliminating "random" personalities. If we took a pure random approach (Assuming Godfather present then each slot has 1/20 to be scum), then we could never lynch anyone. Town has a majority. Random every slot is town.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Drixx, you should not be the MC Day 2 exclusively to prevent agency capture by role which I did for awhile in Stevens Universe.

Do not go to Ghost Town. You'd be going to a ghost town with no ghosts. Like go anywhere else.

Now Drixx, join me on Flum please?

@ABR, You are distracting from a Flum wagon. If he has 20 posts with zero content, a wagon is a good way to get it.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@DS, Albert needs to be sorted. I agree with you there. Trying to lynch him today will result in a lot of drama that makes him harder to read.

I have asked you to trust me. You see Flum as scummy.


@ABR, I have been rather hot as town lately in my finished games. Second, you picked my head to talk with. Third,you actually said after Call of the Wild you'd work with me. Fourth, the wagon is Mollie endorsed.

If you have no desire to help town, don't talk to me. I am not getting in an ego fest with you.

[Drunken Pirates]

Klingoncelt

, what's the harm in ABR voting DGB for MC when he can just change his vote? What's the scum motivation for him to do that?

It's skeevy that he'd vote for MC so very early in the Day.

Sure ABR can change his vote, but don't you think DGB should have made a post or two before ABR deemed him worthy?

Klingon, you're on. I have been wanting to talk to you to show Mollie how to read you.

Can you give me your thoughts on Maxwell ABR and Flum?

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

The vote count is NOT representative of the game state. Each of Yosarian, Lowkey, and Drixx have expressed a scumread and willingness to vote for Rylai. This bandwagon is going to take off very soon, you can take that to the bank.

And whats that saying?!

I'm town and I'm accused of nothing people are just voting me.

I have a shitty list? I suck as town.

But that doesn't mean I'm scum because I'm not.

UNVOTE: Flumm I don't feel this vote btw. I need to discuss things with shiro

*gives cookies*

[Drunken Pirates]

Third,you actually said after Call of the Wild you'd work with me.

Ya we played two games, one of which I gave your slot a chance and you were scum and got nailed D1, the other in which I was scum and had me in your townblock. I get why you would have trust issues with me. That's also why I'm not asking you to trust me. Do your thing, I'm not going to argue with you. I rather argue with the other players.

Titus this was a very genuine explanation. You've not reacted.

I am reacting with people who will help town, not getting into an ego fest with you. You're interrupting every other conversation to try to force a shitty lynch through that saves someone you're nullreading in the process.

You have zero desire to help town, so I am ignoring you. Deal with it. You stop being an egotistical bully, I will talk to you.

[Drunken Pirates]

@ABR You're not contributing to town. You're not fostering conversation. Great, you think I am pushing a shitty lynch, fine. Killing conversation isn't cool. That's all your approach is doing. You aren't asking why I have a problem with lynching FA/Shiro, why I want Flum dead, and why of other people. Even if your mind is made up, these questions can help get reads on others and help me read you. Right now, engaging you

regardless of your alignment

is just going to get you yelling that we're wrong. It's not helpful.

Unless you intend to have a rational conversation about reads, we have zero to talk about.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Klingon, Why is ABR scum as opposed to just wrong and stubborn? Why is Maxwell town? Can you elaborate on why you think withholding that info is scummy on Flum's part?

Please vote your biggest scumread.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Fluminator, You haven't been providing new content or engaging people. You're posting just to say you're here. I don't see the wheels turning to investigate. You've prematurely claimed all over this thread for lord knows what reason.

You've jumped to a counter wagon that hasn't been pushed hard immediately after DGB says your bussing Skybird which suggests extreme amount of self consciousness in behavior.

People are hard defending you while having you as a null read. You have next to no comments on the miller hydra. You only commented when I told ABR those were he questions I needed from him. You're checking boxes on a list.

There's a difference between being dry and offstandish versus keeping your emotions in check. You aren't letting people in at all.

Mollie has her own reasons as well.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Sorry, lemme rewind a bit.
I was a little surprised by how fucking cool that power is, but I'm good now.
When you hammer, you gain a unique active and passive ability for that one night? And you forgot to claim that?

Where's Skybird, I want her to weigh in on this, since she was the one who brought up that you might have a power concerning the hammers. I want to know what made her think that.

PEDIT: ZZZX and Flum's playstyles are not really similar imo. Diamond, what do you think about ABR's playstyle this game, then?

^ scumposting

I am gonna follow up on something tho

[Drunken Pirates]

okay I thought zzthing said something cos I am trying to follow where dgb is coming from but nm. flum made 651 which makes more sense.

dgb, can you go a little bit more in depth about zzthing? cos so far what you are saying isn't registering cos I am not seeing the same thing.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm extremely careful about sharing them in thread

What's there to be careful about? I'm tired of hearing excuses for your play. First it was your role pm and now it's your hydra partner.

THE FUCK

Its about my role pm that I must make sure I'm getting it right , with talking to my partner ...

MY ROLE PM GIVES ME INFORMATION ABOUT SOME CHARACTERS IN GAME.

~Rylai

characters or players?

[Drunken Pirates]

am I voting max? I forget.

VOTE: maxwell puckett

[Drunken Pirates]

@Klingon, Why is ABR scum as opposed to just wrong and stubborn? Why is Maxwell town? Can you elaborate on why you think withholding that info is scummy on Flum's part?

Please vote your biggest scumread.

~Titus

It's very late and I'm not fully recovered, so I'll give a reads list & vote tomorrow (Sunday) evening. I'm going to bed now.

lets schedule a playdate!

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey Mollie, read 714 and please vote Rylai. That reaction is about as forced as it can get.

Reads/scumhunting -> role pm -> careful about posting reads inthread -> hydra partner -> role pm. This has gone full circle.

rylai is very new and she has said that english is a second language for her, hence my hesitancy.

can you plz tell me what you think of max? where do you stand with flum?

[Drunken Pirates]

rylai is very new and she has said that english is a second language for her, hence my hesitancy.

pardon me, its my fourth language ...

oh! and yes I'm scum for pointing out that!

more shitty votes incoming ...

~Rylai

ffs calm down.

okay its your 4th language.

every1 in this game is most likely a speshul snowflake with powahz that accumulate over time.

what are your thoughts on max?

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey Mollie, read 714 and please vote Rylai. That reaction is about as forced as it can get.

Reads/scumhunting -> role pm -> careful about posting reads inthread -> hydra partner -> role pm. This has gone full circle.

rylai is very new and she has said that english is a second language for her, hence my hesitancy.

can you plz tell me what you think of max? where do you stand with flum?

Max is probably town. Flum is town.

FA has no trouble with english. Not only that but she's been playing a ton of games lately and is probably the most active poster on site during the past month. This isn't a newbcard play. She's very easy to townread.

links?

what made you move flum to town? and why exactly are you townreading max?

[Drunken Pirates]

Pray tell how characters and any info you have on them affects your null reads or reads on players in this game. Not following this at all.

That info might help me to sort people more than this. its not making people null! I think I can't explain what I mean! see people are null now. if what I think about them are true their alignment might change based on the knowledge I have about their characters.

I were always obvious town in my scum games and scum readed in my town games

this is my whole meta ...

this game is just a repeat of all that shit ...

~Rylai

That's a straight up lie. You were town read in the game where I was scum not too long ago. We couldn't get you lynched, and you ended up in LYLO being the deciding vote.

In that game I wasn't even playing. I missed 2 days and ended up in lylo. I as a bulletproof don't even make a single soft claim post ever in game?

Hindu tell him thats not me playing at all.

your meta reads on me contradict each other...

pedit abr :

I'm town and I'm a clever mislynch that will put town in a very stupid ridiculous position tomorrow...

~Rylai

eh. we can lose a character cop, hindu I will lynch her if you are happy with your bus.

I am only saying this cos you are suddenly becoming weird.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Rylai, Calm down. You are freaking out which only makes people want to lynch you more.

Skybird isn't the best vote for today. If they were scum, they were likely bussing Fluminator. This is true according to DGB and according to the cookie factory.

Take a step back for a second. Chill.

@CoolDog, Grab a drink and chill for a bit. You have been using circular logic and tunnelling Rylai for awhile based on "meta" (putting that in quotes because it might be more pattern matching than meta).

I would like to talk to you about this when you're nice and calm.

You have the hallmarks of confbiasing town.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Rylai, To me, it looks like agency capture situation going on. Wicked pushes a bad vote, get him nommed as town leader. We are discussing who we want as MC and are wildly conflicted on who it should be used on. I am even more against Drixx retaining his title because I feel we should not repeat MCs.

Vote Fluminator with us? Please.

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey Drixx what do you think of the totally bs push for wicdj for MC?

I find it nonsensical and most likely scum motivated.

Y'know, I think you're 100% right here.

It is scum driven. And I think you know that because you're scum. I don't think you're scum enough to vote, but you might just be scum. As for this, I'll let all of you brawl it out while I get better at reading people. Sorry if I don't post much, but I'll only be posting when I have something super important to say (not that anyone cares because I suck at this).

OK, I have told you not to say you suck at this DS. That actually makes the game harder for you when you do want to post something.

You should definitely take note of Rylai's behavior as it will help you read people in the future.

Why do you feel Wicked MC is scum driven?

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@DS, Your recent post is very concerning to me
Given our multiple requests in the thread pushing Fulminator, how could you plausibly believe that any wagon on Fluminator would be accidental?

Second, you're ripping VCA hallmarks from wagons to lynch on flipped scum and applying it to an MC vote and doing VCA preflip. Stop. VCA should not be done until day 3 at the earliest in a large. Ideally Day 4.

[Drunken Pirates]

@DS, Being confident doesn't mean ignoring the flaws in your thinking and telling me to take a hike when asking questions to get at your thought processes. It's the free flow of ideas that gets town in a good place. If you aren't going to discuss your ideas, you will have a hard time persuading anyone.

So 774 again?

@Rylai, Both are likely scum according to me. Let's start from the assumption Max is scum (we agree there, no need to belabor the point). Fluminator has the same fillery style behaviors. He's defensive but in a different way than you. Max's approach is a chainsaw defense. He's not discussing Flum but rather attacking those who push him.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Throw in us in the ISO as well. I think it gives a picture.

Sorry for the head confusion. My fault there. I will try to use RaL.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@DS, You are literally the most confusing individual on the planet right now.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@ABR, Klingon might be scum. I know her rather well. Let our hydra talk to her. Her alignment will become apparent. The Klingon vote was fine. Not ideal but ok.

Your current vote is petty and designed to create fights among town. It's not helpful.

@DS, ABR wants drama. Don't give it to him.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Titus Someone who wants drama is clearly trying to sow discord. That's clearly anti-town.


BY YOUR OWN WORDS YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHING HIM

Anti-town doesn't equal scummy. You being difficult to read is anti-town, but that doesn't make you scum.

@Yosarian, who are you talking to?

@ABR, Thank you.

[Drunken Pirates]

@rylai, Leaning that way but not certain. His insistence to vote anywhere but Fulminator but not defend him reminds me of his latest scumgame. Yet, he's much more aggressive than that game like in Warcraft. The best way to judge ABR is based on the flips IMO. He will give a lot of information if scum and if town he's a great asset. Overall, he's town but I am not going to be certain on that.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@yosarian, that's not the case on Fluminator scum though. :/

[Drunken Pirates]

Unrelated, I like this Klingonkelt wagon. Delurk or die.

Vote with us!

@yosarian, that's not the case on Fluminator scum though. :/

There is no good reason to vote for Fluminator.

So I suppose you're townreading Flum now?

Why are the reasons given not good?

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@DP

Me and FA are contemplating if we should vote flum or max. In all honesty. I am personally more eh on flum. Max seems scummier. His number things seem like padding. His defense seems more like wking and he generally seems off. More of saying s lot with little substance.
He is playing the engaged game, then votes some dude with 5 posts for MC and goes wickjforpresudent.

@DS

Why assume we are scum because of that? Like, I don't get it tbh.
We think wicdj is scum driven mc wagon thus must be scum?

I have zero interest in lynching this slot today.

[Drunken Pirates]

@DP

Me and FA are contemplating if we should vote flum or max. In all honesty. I am personally more eh on flum. Max seems scummier. His number things seem like padding. His defense seems more like wking and he generally seems off. More of saying s lot with little substance.
He is playing the engaged game, then votes some dude with 5 posts for MC and goes wickjforpresudent.

@DS

Why assume we are scum because of that? Like, I don't get it tbh.
We think wicdj is scum driven mc wagon thus must be scum?

I have zero interest in lynching this slot today.

Ditto.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Lina No, but your other posts are quite clearly scum. That I'm of consensus with others on. Sorry.

@Titus I also don't really care about your problems with me, as this is clearly not your town game. Sorry to mollie, but you're scum, too.

titus is muted cos I keep trying to murder her. IRL as soon as I can find plane tickets.

in guild you were given a lot of feedback as to why some pple thought you were bad. I really didn't think you were that bad. lets just say I am reevaluating.

titus is bringing up good points against you however you are a shiny thing to me. which is why I am not going to focus on you.

if you are going to push a scumread on us it will not end well. like it really won't.

[Drunken Pirates]

I was waiting for someone to tell Yosarian that hammers refer to the vote that lynches a player, not a physical item, while i was reading up. Apparently no one noticed that?

Skybird: Wanted to know where you were getting your info, I admit I was a bit suspicious but what you've said is an explanation.
I wanted to talk to you because I wanted you to post more, so I could get a read on you, because I'm not sure how I feel about you right now.

Rylai and Lina: to give you a bit of background, in Varsoon'a previously modded game he regretted that some scum fake claims weren't very strong. I've no doubt that he's remedied that in this game, and that an MC claim does not make someone guaranteed town. It would be easy to get caught if you thought that way.

Wicked as MC: I didn't agree with Sentinel comment about Wicked's self-nomination for MC, so I thought it'd be a humorous time to announce my top townread. I understand why ABR voted like he did, but I did not like Angel's vote, she doesn't sound like she's townreading him.

Main Character: Drixx

For now this is better, as said earlier Wicked hasn't posted too much, which is fine but I guess we need to be able to talk to the MC a lot. Maybe it'll change, maybe it won't.

Pedit: ah, there's the hammer thing, okay.

why are you avoiding dgb and yoyo?

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE FOR MAIN CHARACTER:ABR

no

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE FOR MAIN CHARACTER:ABR

no

Why not ? He is honestly the towniest player in the game right now

He's not. I have issues but I want to talk with Mollie before hand to present them well. ABR's threat to this head particularly wasn't townie. :/

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Lina No, but your other posts are quite clearly scum. That I'm of consensus with others on. Sorry.

@Titus I also don't really care about your problems with me, as this is clearly not your town game. Sorry to mollie, but you're scum, too.

titus is muted cos I keep trying to murder her. IRL as soon as I can find plane tickets.

in guild you were given a lot of feedback as to why some pple thought you were bad. I really didn't think you were that bad. lets just say I am reevaluating.

titus is bringing up good points against you however you are a shiny thing to me. which is why I am not going to focus on you.

if you are going to push a scumread on us it will not end well. like it really won't.

I'll address this in lines.

1. Good. She is not helping your hydra.
2. Yeah, that was messy. I joined with 6P left and 1 scum, so that was tough, and then I got a terrible role that I didn't fully understand. I tried reading, but most of it went over my head. That game was just overall terrible.
3. Well, could you explain what she's been trying to say to me? Because I've really not understood that. Also, what do you mean by "shiny thing"?
4. I'll push a scumread on you if Titus continues to play like this, because this is definitely her scum game.

However, you keep talking, and I might just be able to work it out.

1. she is trying to get a grasp on the game as best as she knows how. my threats to murder her are jokes cos I love titus but we get frustrated with each other. if you can't read her then read me.
2. do you think with the complicated mechanics in this game that they might be going over your head too? cos I feel like at a certain point you need to let go of flavour and mechanics and float free and judge things by in thread behaviour. where is zzthing.
3. I haven't talked to titus today yet so I don't really understand her push. I think you are shiny cos you are unsure but easy to jump on I really wanna max lynch atm.
4. okay so I am telling you that it isn't and the more you address her the more she will nix our agreement and I am trying to tell you that we are town.

I usually read titus as scum no matter what and even if I am unsure I still want to lynch her but I actually know her alignment in this game so plz listen to me.

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE FOR MAIN CHARACTER:ABR

no

Why not ? He is honestly the towniest player in the game right now

okay so I might be okay with an r&l lynch going through

[Drunken Pirates]

Unvote; Vote: Klingon

I'm fine with this or Skybird right now.

And, Pirates, you should've gone for it before they cracked if you wanted them. Right now, there are better fish to fry.

Main Character: Drixx

oh hindu

[Drunken Pirates]

There are far too many smalltime wagons and too few votes being thrown around for this to be okay in a large. People are holding votes and waiting for massive cases when a good part of the playerlist is lurking and the other part of it is spamming the thread until it suffocates. If it wasn't clear back then, FA needed pressure. She got it but only in the form of words, not votes. That time has passed.

I am voting max can you plz help me if not can you explain why

[Drunken Pirates]

I think klingon is scummy but I am waiting for titus's read cos supposedly it is infallible.

I actually trust this.

[Drunken Pirates]

I think klingon is scummy but I am waiting for titus's read cos supposedly it is infallible.

I actually trust this.

text me?

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

There are far too many smalltime wagons and too few votes being thrown around for this to be okay in a large. People are holding votes and waiting for massive cases when a good part of the playerlist is lurking and the other part of it is spamming the thread until it suffocates. If it wasn't clear back then, FA needed pressure. She got it but only in the form of words, not votes. That time has passed.

I am voting max can you plz help me if not can you explain why

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey low. Are you voting kling purely to create a wagon or you have a reason other than lurking?

@ABR just look at the post max just made. It is bad.


@Max auto town read! =Top townemread

Again hoe can you get top townemread material from bs

P.edit

Also Abr what mollie said Titus has w 100% success in reading kling.


~Lina

I have mislynched her once and been fooled by her once, but have refined since then. It's more like 90%.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

why are you avoiding dgb and yoyo?

What makes DGB a good MC? I'm curious as they haven't really stood out to me.

She's looking pretty townish right now. Also, she's taking a lot of time to analzye every person in the game, and her town lists have been pretty good.

I generally agree with most of her reads, and I think she's got a better chance then most at picking an all-town adventuring group tomorrow.

I'm literally just taking your word and experience on it right now. I think DGB's scum and I'm not going to vote her for MC. There's no way. If you want an older player in the slot, ABR has the best chances because he's actually town this game.

Shiro, I think Klingon's scum and, of the few posts I remember from her, I didn't like them. You should vote her too.

wanting abr as mc shows incredibly poor judgment. our slot is compromised for him and he has said so.

did you answer me about max?

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo what gives

[Drunken Pirates]

why are you avoiding dgb and yoyo?

What makes DGB a good MC? I'm curious as they haven't really stood out to me.

She's looking pretty townish right now. Also, she's taking a lot of time to analzye every person in the game, and her town lists have been pretty good.

I generally agree with most of her reads, and I think she's got a better chance then most at picking an all-town adventuring group tomorrow.

I'm literally just taking your word and experience on it right now. I think DGB's scum and I'm not going to vote her for MC. There's no way. If you want an older player in the slot, ABR has the best chances because he's actually town this game.

Shiro, I think Klingon's scum and, of the few posts I remember from her, I didn't like them. You should vote her too.

wanting abr as mc shows incredibly poor judgment. our slot is compromised for him and he has said so.

did you answer me about max?

Compromised? These powers, from what I can tell, aren't enough to turn a game but just give roles an extra kick. From what I can tell, this is a PR heavy game so I'm sure you'll be fine. I'm not gonna let you get lynched but ABR is pretty on point so far as reads go right now.

Yeah, last page.

hooooooly shit you are scum. is max too?

[Drunken Pirates]

Basically ABR has shown he has zero interest in listening to our joint reads, and he's made that clear.

@RaL, I will answer that in a bit here. I wanna make sure I don't stomp on Mollie's toes. Cool dog is likely confbiasing you. Klingon I am leaning town on.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Titus has shown to oppose every single read I have.

And it's any wonder why I doubt if you are town.

So let me guess townreading Max too?

But you came around on RaL being town. Wicked and Drixx are possibly town but terrible MCs.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Titus what do you think of my hypothetical party?

Too drama filled. RaL and Cool Dog in the same party although both town is a recipe for disaster. Cool Cumberbers need to post more.

Petit...and he posted

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I feel like Titus should support me for MC even if we don't agree on everything.

We have not agreed on any major objective you've pushed here and you're steadfastly refusing to engage our reasons for voting max and Flum. Why would I support you for MC?

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

RaL and Cool Dog in the same party although both town is a recipe for disaster.

I'm sure we can work something out.....

I find your stance that they are both town but shouldn't be on the party very disturbing.

The early game, a Mollie and I agree on this but take different methods, is about promoting town cohesion. That room will create implosions and drama. Literally every vote of yours has served to divide town, not unify it.

We make a strong case on Fluminator. You swing at RandL riling her up.
We state Drixx should go anywhere but Ghost Town. You push Ghost Town.
We state Drixx is bad MC. You voted it for awhile.
I say Klingon is not like certain town, you push there knowing about the drama box she is.
You want to put together adventures that are not likely to agree on anything.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Who I want is

DGB
Sendai
Aa9
cool dog or Ral
Us

With DGB main character BUT I HAVEN'T spoken with Mollie about that.

[Drunken Pirates]

Well that ain't happening dear.

People I definitely don't want on the party:

Sensei
Aa9
You

Then I am never voting you IC. I can comprise from my ideal party, but I will absolutely veto you being an IC if you keep pushing your ego and drama.

We can try to put together an acceptable party but what you're doing in excluding my biggest townreads makes me think you're scum here.

But we agree on DGB, and one of RaL cool dog. I prefer RaL over CoolDog unless like all my townreads are on it.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

We make a strong case on Fluminator. You swing at RandL riling her up.
We state Drixx should go anywhere but Ghost Town. You push Ghost Town.
We state Drixx is bad MC. You voted it for awhile.
I say Klingon is not like certain town, you push there knowing about the drama box she is.
You want to put together adventures that are not likely to agree on anything.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're "dividing the town".

Chill the hell out. I don't agree with any of this either and you're overreacting just because things aren't going the way you want it to.

I am calm, but I know precisely what he's doing and being clear that is what he is doing in my speech. Yet, ABR's trying to rush through things that are bad for town.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Well that ain't happening dear.

People I definitely don't want on the party:

Sensei
Aa9
You

Then I am never voting you IC. I can comprise from my ideal party, but I will absolutely veto you being an IC if you keep pushing your ego and drama.

We can try to put together an acceptable party but what you're doing in excluding my biggest townreads makes me think you're scum here.

But we agree on DGB, and one of RaL cool dog. I prefer RaL over CoolDog unless like all my townreads are on it.

~Titus

You don't have veto power dear. Your biggest townreads are likely scum. You don't know how to play D1 at all. Stop fabricating reasons to scumread me.

For my hydra, I do. I will not let us vote for someone I scumread as MC or am 100% certain town with our vote. Beyond that, who we're pushing is in Mollie's hands today. I am interacting with you namely because of the baggage you and Mollie have.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

*100% town with our vote to lynch.

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey guys, guess what? Nobody has responded to my idea yet.

Let's recap:

R&L claim who the characters who they KNOW are town are. Before we have a single death or any uncertainty. Those two players claim their characters. Now, if R&L dies, and we see they are town, we get two conftown out of it. Boom.

Why wouldn't we do that again? It even has the added benefit of creating incentive for scum to focus their fire on certain locations, marginally increasing our protective's ability to be useful(especially if t hose slots R&L claims will be town are actually active and good enough players for scum to consider them a threat, rather than sucking and thus increasing the number of likely targets for scum)
-Cerb

pedit: Shit was said,I'll address it before more shit is said and I end up in an eternal loop of pedits.

pedit x2: fuck, it's begun.

I am calm, but I know precisely what he's doing and being clear that is what he is doing in my speech. Yet, ABR's trying to rush through things that are bad for town.

~Titus

How do you know ghost town is antitown? Seriously, that's probably RNJesus.
Drixx is very obvtown. I don't think he makes the best MC but he's the safest for a non-scum MC. I don't know what kind of party he would have and that would be my issue with him.
The Klingon wagon is good. Your hydra partner agrees. Only you don't.
As for his party, I don't know how they'll mesh or even if they communicate on adventures or what.

Addressing both of these together since they hit the same issues.

Drixx as an MC again is possibly likely to hit town but I am concerned about the Stevens Universe issue. In that game, I was a scum inventor who gave out doctors. People townread me because I (as Trench Warfare) gave out a doctor to a hydra of Cerb and Drixx day 1. I was allowed to coast on that until Day 5, planting seeds of discord and wifom. Giving Drixx a pass because he's the MC and thus likely not scum by balance is a bad idea and leaves us vulnerable to the same tactics I have used as scum myself.

I am making a presumption. It's possible Varsoon did these randomly. Doubt it. If that's the case though, there's zero problems with excluding Ghost Town as we have zero idea what we're excluding. Once there are dead players, I have zero problems with a ghost town visit. I am perfectly willing not to receive whatever is in ghost town right now as it just should not be the day 1 visit.

Third, not liking the flavor push from Cerb here. Varsoon got a lot of flack for having all the bad guys be scum, even in fake claims. To expect flavor clears is off... :/

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm fine with the ghost town thing if it really puts your mind at ease. Drixx, go somewhere not-ghost town then. Can we all agree to just drop this though and move on to stuff that's scum-related. This horse has been beaten.

Also, R&L say they have flavor names of two confirmed town in their role PM, not flavor clears by association. Unless I'm reading what they told us completely wrong.

That's not my understanding, but if I am wrong, this should be revealed to a neighborhood of all town rather than broadcasting.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm fine with the ghost town thing if it really puts your mind at ease. Drixx, go somewhere not-ghost town then. Can we all agree to just drop this though and move on to stuff that's scum-related. This horse has been beaten.

Also, R&L say they have flavor names of two confirmed town in their role PM, not flavor clears by association. Unless I'm reading what they told us completely wrong.

That's not my understanding, but if I am wrong, this should be revealed to a neighborhood of all town rather than broadcasting.

~Titus

It's entirely likely during FA's screaming that I missed it or misinterpreted it that way. It was really confusing.

FA has language difficulties that make it hard to understand her. She should clarify this. If you are correct, we should insist she be in the party as MC or as a secondary person.

I am not so sure on ABR being town. Like really not sure. If he's town, he's agency captured.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Trust me, ABR is town. If you can't trust me, lynch me or aim a kill at me and we flip that way. Our role sort of sucks so you guys won't lose much.

I trust you're town ATM. I don't trust the read because ABR is dominating the thread, hard defending scum (Flum and Max) while not expressing a townread and pushing easy to rile up players like RaL and Klingon. Mollie said to trust you if we townread you, that does not mean I am trusting ABR's judgment.

Agency captured means he's unwittingly working for scum.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm pretty sure my role PM has a confirmed town person in it and I think we flip with their flavor name when we die so yes, I think my slot might be worth more dead than alive. Especially if it means Titus and ABR can finally cooperate knowing I was town and reading them both strongly town all along.

Even if I knew ABR was town by magical dust fairies and him me, that wouldn't magically solve the problem.

We have reads in major opposition to each other and aren't trusting each other's judgments.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm pretty sure my role PM has a confirmed town person in it and I think we flip with their flavor name when we die so yes, I think my slot might be worth more dead than alive. Especially if it means Titus and ABR can finally cooperate knowing I was town and reading them both strongly town all along.

What do you mean by "pretty sure"? It's details like that that gets us into trouble when we start playing in accordance to those "pretty sure"s.

Can you stop rolefishing? Ffs.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@all, Because this pretty sure again is information we can use to block out scum. We all can factor in pretty sure as not 100%. We want no mislynched available. If it gets closer to the end, we can ask. These names can be used to block mislynches. If they are out in the open, scum will likely murder them. Low key can do what he needs to do in order to sort it out with the mod. We are getting too many conftown issues, so we keep these names hidden. Make scum murder the townies that hypothetically conftown people.

If we get close and they are alive, they claim names.

@lowkey, that's how I argue with everyone but ABR is flat out not willing to discuss my Fluminator read with me. The answers to those conversations are how I ascertain reads.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Eh I was exaggerating but you get what I mean.

P.edit

@Low I might after I get home and do the iso I want to do.

@Titus What are your worries about ABR?

@Max

It is Shiro you are speaking to (I even have it on the sig gdi) I am because I find it really fake and I happen to think one of the people on that wagon is scum. You still can't point for me what made him your top townread.

Also I will let you guess who I think it is the scum in the wagon.

our slot is compromised for him and he has said so.

Wha?!

~Lina

abr is a shit player who's personal imaginary slights dictate his play.

I am more than willing to provide examples.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm town but if you wanna turn on me, then we can tango. Kinda sad noone's reading me town though.

I don't understand why you are ignoring me about max! it confuses me.

if you think I am wrong I want you to help me to see what you see.

[Drunken Pirates]

It is a privilege for any group to be graced with my presence

Please, you evidently haven't read anything. I couldn't give a fuck what the group says, and my interactions with any of my scumreads show this.

And all it took to make you scumread was wanting to be in a group? Jesus christ, you're hard to please. Why aren't you scumreading ABR? He wanted to be in a group.

Calm down. Maxwell is trying to provoke you. Don't give in. Smooth. Methodical. Transparency. If you're town, this is what we need. The post Maxwell made is the exact type of post I feared when you said you're not confident/good/whatever. It may be true but Maxwell Puckett is capitalizing here to scumread you and if Klingon and you are town, setting you up as the next mislynch wagon.

It would do most of us a huge favor to drop the rage and just talk to us.

Your positions are giving whiplash. It's not helpful. Reflect. Be clear. Your lack of clarity makes me jump between you're scum and you're town.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

wanting abr as mc shows incredibly poor judgment. our slot is compromised for him and he has said so.

I am confused, I really don't know what you're talking about here.

yoyo are you srs. abr has nakedly said he hates me and doesn't give a shit what my alignment is despite us joining the game first.

[Drunken Pirates]

I was going to contest that but then she posted she leans Klingon town.

Mollie, why are you listening to titus if you and her both know she can't read people until like D3?

don't even

I really dislike you trying to drive a wedge in our hydra. that is

REALLY FUCKING SCUMMY

I shld have known this game wld be shit during sign-ups which cerb seems to know about. I just want to play a game and not read how much pple hate me is that too much to ask.

[Drunken Pirates]

Let's not post the examples.

Also, I just got mod confirmation that entire role PM's flip in this game in the style of the previous modkill. Increased chance there's a janitor, though, given the entire pm flips.

I just think max is town mollie, not really sure what to tell you besides I just read him as town. Look at the first lines of his last post because I felt like that comes from town too. Also, I know you made a case on him but I may or may have not skipped it because I skimmed some posts selectively while trying to catch up in this game. I'll reread it but I don't think I'll change from rereading. You should join the Klingon wagon and we can get back to Max later!

Yeah, the Klingon wagon vote will not happen until Klingon talks to us or dodges talking to us. You want me to trust you on ABR, trust me on Klingon. Right now, that slot is leaning town. I can talk to her and ascertain her alignment but she only posts at night. She has a flair for the dramatic which a wagon on her increases the drama level in the game.

I have spent a fair amount of time working with Klingon, across at least three sites. I can read her.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

It is a privilege for any group to be graced with my presence

Please, you evidently haven't read anything. I couldn't give a fuck what the group says, and my interactions with any of my scumreads show this.

And all it took to make you scumread was wanting to be in a group? Jesus christ, you're hard to please. Why aren't you scumreading ABR? He wanted to be in a group.

Calm down. Maxwell is trying to provoke you. Don't give in. Smooth. Methodical. Transparency. If you're town, this is what we need. The post Maxwell made is the exact type of post I feared when you said you're not confident/good/whatever. It may be true but Maxwell Puckett is capitalizing here to scumread you and if Klingon and you are town, setting you up as the next mislynch wagon.

It would do most of us a huge favor to drop the rage and just talk to us.

Your positions are giving whiplash. It's not helpful. Reflect. Be clear. Your lack of clarity makes me jump between you're scum and you're town.

~Titus

Ok What do you want me to reflect on? As in, in-thread. What do you want me to comment on. Give me a goal and I can do well.

Ok. I can do that. Two goals. First, every time you want to say the word fuck or anything similar, stop and pause. You've been concerned about you being followed. Rage isn't followed.
Second, identify town just as hard as scum. Try not to interfere with them. Work with them. Do not interrupt others, unless their plan is specifically bad. In a role madness game, everyone views shit differently. Difference isn't scummy. Read the mind.

Towards that end, I would like to know where you stand on each player and why.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Why would I support you for MC?

Because I want to bring Rylai and Cooldog who you think are both town, but now you say you don't want them to be in the same party. This is actually very scummy. You're trying to keep the town divided.

^ this is pretty funny considering you never once considered us to be in your party

you shld NOT be in ever any way in a position of power since you have flat out said you are emotionally compromised. anybody with integrity wld bow out. you don't have any hence why I will violently oppose any attempt for you to have the position.

AND I STILL THINK YOU ARE TOWN

[Drunken Pirates]

What? I'm having a hard time believing you guys and your reads when you both discredited Titus on all her D1 reads. I haven't played with either of you before.

Noone hates you.

And fair enough. I'll let you talk to her if you can read her.

This hasn't happened. I said I hate D1. That doesn't say I am bad at it. In my recent finished games, I have been pretty good Day 1.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Control your partner Titus. Enough of "Albert is a shit play ok!!". No one's taking the bait here.

She's not trying to bait you. You drove her to say that. When you exclude us due to ego, you are being shitty. She has every right to call you out for that. If she goes over the top with words (she knows which ones) I will tell her that.

If you want me to stop her from saying you're being crap, then stop doing bad things. Work with us on something we can agree on. Let's make a party all of us can agree on. Neither of us are the MC to stop ego fests.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

We make a strong case on Fluminator. You swing at RandL riling her up.
We state Drixx should go anywhere but Ghost Town. You push Ghost Town.
We state Drixx is bad MC. You voted it for awhile.
I say Klingon is not like certain town, you push there knowing about the drama box she is.
You want to put together adventures that are not likely to agree on anything.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're "dividing the town".

Chill the hell out. I don't agree with any of this either and you're overreacting just because things aren't going the way you want it to.

she isn't overreacting:

I fucking hate pirate mollie

like Tormund Giantsbane hates Thenns and has to repeat it every season.

and you want this thing to be mc? no way can you be town.

and it makes me sad.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Maxwell, I have been scumreading you for more than the Diamond push. Your posts have been empty. You're standing on the sides of things (math quibble with Yosarian), hard defending Flum for no reason, misrepping my scumread on you and ignoring me when I have called out your scummy posting. If Mollie wants to lynch you instead of Fluminator, I will start pushing people your way.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Skybird what do you think of my hypothetical party? Can you vote klingon over, let's say, most of the player list?

He's voting flum right now and thinks that flum sucks up other people's role pm's/abilities and steals them from him. He thinks flum is scum for claiming this or is implying it by asking me. This guy is scum, I'd be surprised if he wants to bus.

Flum post was based on what I read as a joke (I will complain if you don't let me hammer). It's fine for early stage voting, but we're moving on to bigger game now. Skybird could be a lynchpin for town consensus.

Nope. Skybird is another protege of mine.

Talk to me about our reads.

[Drunken Pirates]

Anyone who supports me as MC, be prepared for accusations to start flying your way from Drunken Pirates. She will attack anybody who dares to choose me.

No. I am asking you to try and work with us. Your desire to lynch the people I can read and lynchbait is not working with me.

Your comment that we're onto bigger things as why we cannot vote Fluminator is inconsistent with voting Klingon for pressure.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Nice buddying Titus, how about we let Skybird answer on her own about:

-Klingon scum
-Who she wants on the party
-Who she townreads

No problem. She can do that when she gets on. Nothing I said was relevant or stops her from answering those questions.

I am not stopping you from asking them, but if you townread us, you have to trust that there are some people I just know.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Second, identify town just as hard as scum. Try not to interfere with them. Work with them. Do not interrupt others, unless their plan is specifically bad.

Nope. Skybird is another protege of mine.

You can think they're town but you're doing what you just asked someone not to do.

I had a caveat. ABR is doing something I know to be bad. He's suggesting to lynch the people I know I can read and lynchbait. That's why you interfere.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I will support you for MC iff you choose me for your party, because I need a PC to say a couple things. So unless someone is a neighborizer, I will be pushing to be in the party.

I don't want to be MC. Having either us or ABR as MC leads to drama.

If you want me to suggest you in the party, show both of us you are town. A read wall would be good. I already asked for that.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I will support you for MC iff you choose me for your party, because I need a PC to say a couple things. So unless someone is a neighborizer, I will be pushing to be in the party.

What are your thoughts on klingon?

Second, identify town just as hard as scum. Try not to interfere with them. Work with them. Do not interrupt others, unless their plan is specifically bad.

Nope. Skybird is another protege of mine.

You can think they're town but you're doing what you just asked someone not to do.

I had a caveat. ABR is doing something I know to be bad. He's suggesting to lynch the people I know I can read and lynchbait. That's why you interfere.

~Titus

Flum is the definition of lynchbait.

Why? You haven't engaged our case on them at all.

Klingon meanwhile gets lynched D1 all the fucking time.
~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

If I tell you why I'm pretty sure, I'm going to have to full claim. Lowell said he doesn't really care if I full claim so yeah, the onus of the decision is in my hands. This role is basically fucking useless for us anyways. If enough people want me to claim, then I'll go for it.

Titus, having reads that are in opposition is good. If you have a good connection the other person is town, that's all you need even if the reads don't agree. You learn to respect them as a fellow town member and argue not on a "youre scum" level but on a "ok, why is x scum and why should I believe you" level and that's all around good no matter how you spin it.

I don't care if hindu is scum I want him around forever.

[Drunken Pirates]

Pedit: Skybird is a protege of you??? What does that mean??? Anyone Titus claims to be able to read is now untouchable, its the law.

Yup. She's trying to buddy Skybird, angel and klingon in the hopes of defending them from town / getting them on her side.

Absolutely not. I am not sure on Skybird, but I know Skybird enough to know I can read them. Angel, once she quit focusing on OMG Titus will kill me, has been relatively townie. Klingon leans town to me.

I can understand if you don't want them in the party, but they are not people I want to lynch today.

[Drunken Pirates]

'Standing on the sides of things'? My 'quibble' two posts, not even an argument, and it came out of me misunderstanding something, that I apologized for. It's nothing, its not even a blip on what I've talked about this game.

'Hard defending Flum for no reason'. I was townreading him. That's a reason, especially when the wagon was built on such unsteady ground and a not Miller claim that was explained two days ago.

I haven't been ignoring you, I've been talking to you a lot.

Also, you just ignored the fact that you literally just misrepresented me as someone trying to file up Diamond, instead sidestepping the issue by bringing up your earlier arguments instead.

Pedit: Skybird is a protege of you??? What does that mean??? Anyone Titus claims to be able to read is now untouchable, its the law.

Yes. You have been. You've been egging on weaker town members such as Diamond. You griped about his push when he said he wasn't good. So what? Even if Diamond is shit (not saying he is), facts are facts. Your post is littered with crap like that.

Those posts are an example, you've been really middle of the road but hard defended Fluminator. I don't know why you think he's town. Like at all. You've followed ABR around like a puppy dog. It's unnatural.

You've replied to us but you haven't on somethings. You've basically ignored our long stated scumread, ignored Mollie voting you and had odd relationship with Fluminator. RaL DS and I discussed this and you basically ignored that conversation.

[Drunken Pirates]

That post should have said 'playing in a way that makes you less likely to vote for players you know'. Which, ya know, is bad when you know players who are scum.

If they are scum, I will 100% lead the charge on them. I see my scumread pushing Klingon along with ABR, I deliberately ask my townreads to do my magic. It's day one and only a few days in. There's zero need to rush.

[Drunken Pirates]

*to let me do my magic

[Drunken Pirates]

I fucking hate pirate mollie

like Tormund Giantsbane hates Thenns and has to repeat it every season.

and you want this thing to be mc? no way can you be town.

and it makes me sad.

I feel like I needed to use the shouty font, cos for some reason max and hindu were ignoring it. abr is emotionally compromised and shld not be allowed to assume a position of power. period. end of story.

we don't care about being the main character. I wld really love for some1 to follow that I cld believe in.

I have not discredited titus I have clearly stated she does well with more info. on d1 it isn't happening.

[Drunken Pirates]

@klingon, hey don't respond to individual posts. Conversation with us and readwall is more important. I may have to go soon. If I do, talk to Mollie.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

What? I'm having a hard time believing you guys and your reads when you both discredited Titus on all her D1 reads. I haven't played with either of you before.

Noone hates you.

I fucking hate pirate mollie

like Tormund Giantsbane hates Thenns and has to repeat it every season.

he most certainly does!

I wanted to point it out AGAIN

[Drunken Pirates]

wanting abr as mc shows incredibly poor judgment. our slot is compromised for him and he has said so.

I am confused, I really don't know what you're talking about here.

yoyo are you srs. abr has nakedly said he hates me and doesn't give a shit what my alignment is despite us joining the game first.

When you said "our slot was compromised", I actually thought you meant something totally different. If you just mean that ABR dislikes you and that colors his read on you or something, then ok. Although it's not like he's been tunneling on you or anything.

okay well I do not quite get as to why when I said "our slot is compromised for him" you thought I was trying to state something other than that.

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie stop trying to get a rise out of me and let Titus talk about me and to me. I will not let this game go the way of Team Mafia. I don't want to ruin the enjoyment of the game for everyone because we are escalating drama with more drama. I'm not biased despite what you claim. Let it go.

If you want to talk, talk. I have asked you why Fluminator is town/lynchbait several times and got nothing more than banal generalities.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I've... Ignored your scumreading on me? I've ignored it? Ahaha. Your vote on me was after I'd already voted you, but I decided (and was told) that trying to Lynch you would be pointless. Commenting on your vote would have also have been pointless.

But I can't ignore you, not when you interrupt me every time I try to talk to or push someone.

I agree with ABR on some things and disagree on others. You're lumping us together because I like him for MC and because you disagree with both of us on a lot of things.

You're calling me middle of the road and disagreeing with every hard stance I make. It's incredible impressive how contrary your words and actions are.

STILL waiting for your response on me provoking Diamond. Stop ignoring that. If you want me to reply to something specific, tell me, I'm not trawling your ISO for mentions of me that you want me to respond to.

Pedit: and we circle back to 'my opinions trump everyone else's.' Please quote an example I'm this thread where you actually agree to disagree, and I'll stop saying this.

I don't care that ABR doesn't like mollie. I do. Not. Care. I am scumreading you and the person I want to be MC doesn't want you in the party. Why the heck would that bother me? Not every decision we make has to revolve around you and your opinions.

The only hard stances you've made are defending Fluminator scum and buddying/scum buddy promoting ABR.

My opinions don't trump everyone else's. Read my conversation with Lowkey. I told him I disagreed with his ABR read but was doing what I asked.

I already replied to your statement regarding Diamond. You riled him up when you objected to his opinion because he lacked confidence. I even said it right after you made it.

I'm lumping you both together because I disagree with you. No, you have been right up ABR's ass.

I'm not agreeing to disagree when ABR will lead us into town mislynches.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie stop trying to get a rise out of me and let Titus talk about me and to me. I will not let this game go the way of Team Mafia. I don't want to ruin the enjoyment of the game for everyone because we are escalating drama with more drama. I'm not biased despite what you claim. Let it go.

If you want to talk, talk. I have asked you why Fluminator is town/lynchbait several times and got nothing more than banal generalities.

~Titus

I've stated many times now.

You haven't responded to why you think Diamond is weak. I don't understand this comment at all :/

Show me where.

Diamond lacks confidence and looks to others to guide him. By definition, that is a weak player.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

It's getting out of hand to ask for you to show where you explained your Flum townread and reasons. What? There's gotta be a context I misunderstand.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm not really liking Mollie and Tidus's posts over the past few pages. It's a shame that there's a personal conflict between Mollie and ABR, but I don't like how Mollie keeps bringing it up as a reason to not choose ABR as party leader, especially since ABR actually hasn't brought it up in a while. Not really liking Tidus's posts either; if you want to defend someone because you're reading them as town, that's fine, but it just feels like there's a bunch of people (Skybird, Klingon, Angel, ect) that you are defending just because they're people you like, maybe people you've played a lot with before, not because you actually have a read on them.

That kind of personal relationship is never a reason to vote for or against anyone. It's probably not really a scum tell, at least not on it's own, but if we let this town break up into cliques based on social groups it's going to make this game both miserable and make it much easier for the scum to win.

I am not voting for abr. but I don't want him as mc. the same reason I don't want ourselves as 1.

how are you not understanding this yoyo

eta: titus stop posting

Yes Mollie.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie stop trying to get a rise out of me and let Titus talk about me and to me.

I will not let this game go the way of Team Mafia

. I don't want to ruin the enjoyment of the game for everyone because we are escalating drama with more drama. I'm not biased despite what you claim. Let it go.

you already did. by clearly stating you hated me.

I mean I don't want to get into the drama either but it is clearly colouring your stance and I am not going to ignore it when you are campaigning for a position of power.

are you not even the slightest bit worried about the pple supporting you? cos I sure as hell wld be.

what is your read on dgb and yoyo?

[Drunken Pirates]

There are four races in SaGa Frontier and each have different mechanics the govern how they level up and fight.
Humans gain stat points relevant to what they did in combat; they can also 'spark' new techniques in the middle of battle!
Robots gain stats depending on the quality of gear they have equipped; they can download new 'programs' from defeated mecs.
Monsters absorb other monsters to learn their abilities and transform into new forms that influence their stats.
Mystics entrap the souls of slain enemies into their equipment; this gives them unique moves and stat increases.

Varsoon, are all characters in this game human?

I can answer that!

the answer is no!

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm doing the reads list now.

That's not lurking, that's me going through the ISOs.

Doing a reads is isn't scummy, is it?

Stop focusing on perception. Give the unvarnished truth in your list.

Lists aren't scummy. It's the content or lack thereof that is scummy.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Skybird can you do a reads list?

How about you cough up one of your own, since you are wanting to be the Main Character. Reasons would be a plus.

[Drunken Pirates]

Also, I don't know how abr is pulling of pushing an inflammatory wagon and getting mc votes. Not sure if good player or, somehow, odd.

I AM WONDERING THE SAME THING!!!!

what is depressing is that dgb is voting for him after I spent an hour on the phone trying to convince titus to lay off of her. but putting some1 who is nakedly campaigning to be the mc while nakedly stating that he is emotionally compromised is pretty bad logic. and it makes me sad about dgb.

[Drunken Pirates]

what is depressing is that dgb is voting for him after I spent an hour on the phone trying to convince titus to lay off of her. but putting some1 who is nakedly campaigning to be the mc while nakedly stating that he is emotionally compromised is pretty bad logic. and it makes me sad about dgb.

It'll be fuuuuuuuuuuun!

only if I have crayons. will there be crayons? and a colouring book.

then it will be fun.

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: Rylai and Lina

MC: Drunken Pirates

We don't want it. Thanks though. We'd rather just be in a party with our townreads.

We both agree ABR is not to be trusted.

Your vote though is one we both hate.

I see you're likely town. I have given Mollie references to work from to talk to her about this. I won't be posting as much if at all tomorrow (well already today for you). Work with her. She's trusting me on you. I will be watching. Treat her with the same respect you would me, even if she aggravates you. She can take disagreement and honesty like I can.

Vote Max with us? Explain the DS read further? Fluminator and Max are also missing from your reads. This stings a bit.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

This is NOT her Town game, it's her weirdly defensive Scum game. I'm not kidding.

Just because you think yoy are not kidding it doesn't make you Any less awfully wrong.

She is a bit hyper defensive because she isn't used to having an important role.

Also her English is not fluent and calling her a lier on that is pretty shitty.

The language thing has come up in many games Grandma. You are wrong here.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Klingon is scum and I'm going to drive this lynch to its bitter end.

why did you join this game?

like after team mafia (where you were wrong, like literally the entire game I mean every read you had except for greyice was wrong) I wld expect you to stay away from me since that is what you swore to do and I was quite happy with that and said so. you don't even make me angry or anything like that I kind of see you as a bug that I just desperately wish I had a big enough shoe to step on.

I really wanna vote dgb but I need to think about it some more.

[Drunken Pirates]

Finally caught up. Bunch of obvtown players this game so that's nice.

Titus, you need to wake up. Do you seriously think Max is defending me because we're scum buddies? That would be stupid. Stop and think and be humble enough to consider your first reads CAN be incorrect. Have you even had a single read that's changed all game?

Cooldog and Yosarian are probably the two best choices for the mission. ABR is a another solid choice but I don't want him leading if he's putting Skybird on who seems almost obvscum to me at this point. I'll explain why tomorrow when I have a computer.
Cucumber hasn't made a single post to make me think he's town yet and I don't want him on.
Some of Lowkey's posts seemed so town to me it looped around to making me paranoid of them. He's probably good for the mission too though.

For now I'll join cooldog in

MC Yosarian

this post is full of ewww

VOTE: fluminator

[Drunken Pirates]

flum have you looked at who abr wants on the mission? LOOK AT IT JUST LOOK

[Drunken Pirates]

@Rylai, Scum happen to be people who voted for her. Second, she swung at ABR in her first post in the thread. ABR has been attacking people all game long who disagree with him. Klingon struggles to generate content outside of battles. Here, that's not the case.

She'd definitely Twilight Zone Klingon here.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

flum have you looked at who abr wants on the mission? LOOK AT IT JUST LOOK

Yes.

and that does not raise an eyebrow?

cos it does mine and I gave a meta townread on him so all it assures me is how much he shldn't have that role unless dgb's wc is to kill the mc if so I am fine with that.

@ lina

I called him alberta and he got offended cos he said he didn't like being called a canadian providence and I was like what's wrong with canada. thats how it started at least. then he escalated.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Rylai, Scum happen to be people who voted for her. Second, she swung at ABR in her first post in the thread. ABR has been attacking people all game long who disagree with him. Klingon struggles to generate content outside of battles. Here, that's not the case.

She'd definitely Twilight Zone Klingon here.

~Titus

plz sit on your fingers

[Drunken Pirates]

First, I live in Alberta. What did you mean when you called him that? Just genuinely curious.
I agree with most of his choices. Which ones didn't you like?

sometimes I come up with nicknames for players so that they can occupy a space in my head. when I see the name albert I think of winnipeg which I love which is in alberta and I called him this in the very first game we played together (we were both scum) and he didn't mind. then in the second game he acted all offended and I thought he was kidding but then he PMed me so I reported it, he got modkilled for it and he has been on this hate campaign ever since.

I feel seekritly think all of the pple who are voting him hate I think there is a conspiracy. I don't actually think that there is a conspiracy but i am just trying to come to terms that this is going to be a farce of a game.

I think i am just going to socialize.

I want hindu to come back.

[Drunken Pirates]

*hate me

[Drunken Pirates]

Uhh, Winnipeg is in Manitoba. Two provinces over from Alberta. Glad you like Winnipeg though. I love being able to visit there too. The sky is especially awesome.
Anyway...
My vote for him has nothing to do with you. I don't hate you. I definitely trust his read on the game more than yours right now though.

I have only visited winnipeg and calguary(sp?) once. I have been to toronto 3 times, montreal twice and ottawa twice. montreal in summer and ottawa in winter are my faves. I haven't been to vancouver interestingly enough or newfie.

can you tell me what my reads are flum?

[Drunken Pirates]

I have no words for this reason

You really should vote klingon.

Titus tell your head to stop trying to stir drama. You know how these things go. You bring up something, then the other person has to bring up their version of the events, then there's arguing, drama, nobody wants that. Let's focus on catching scum in the game at hand, yes?

My other head isn't trying to stir drama like at all. This isn't the first time you have desired a leash on her when she did nothing wrong.

We can focus on catching scum. Yet if you want to work together attempting to Buddy the thread and threatening the fuck out of those who disagree isn't focusing on catching scum.

The moment PM crosses the line I will call her out. She has not.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Why ABR is not to be trusted

1. ABR has been discrediting our hydra since the thread opened and has consistently done so without provocation.

Starting from his third post in RVS, ABR has picked a fight with our hydra. In post 35, he basically says a big so what to me being particularly skilled over the past year. His original vote is particularly nitpicky when I told Drixx I would have a recommendation later. He acts like I am ignoring him when I didn't answer within 6 minutes.

ABR's response to DS is equally brash and rude in 91. DS says it is a mistake to have me reveal my plans early. ABR gets in his face stating that DS has no right to be that forceful in telling ABR that was a bad idea. This exchange set the tone for the rest of the game. ABR wanted to know exactly what I wanted to do the opposite.

His next several posts are all about how much he hates Pirate Mollie and to have me talk to him. It struck me as odd but I wanted to avoid the drama. In 363 Klingoncelt observes this behavior and asks how it is town. Keep this in mind later. ABR's response is one of denial and dismissal.

In post 520, ABR tells me to go talk to someone else when I try to be civil and discuss reads with him. ABR didn't proxy his thinking to someone else. This started to send a clear message to me that ABR felt he was beneath me or that he could not support his read with facts.

In 539 and 541, he continues attacking Drixx who knows my play style a lot, stating that he'll never be MC again.

In 556, ABR says we cannot work together because he won't do what I want and I won't do what he wants.

In 562, ABR tells AA9 to not be a sheep to me for once in my life. Despite this meta being flat out wrong, it serves to discredit AA9's vote when ABR hasn't put an original thought in the thread that wasn't vitriol.

In 566 and 565, ABR says I should be voteless and ignored. He's selectively choosing to attack me bc I am much easier to discredit than Pirate Mollie.

581, ABR says he wants Drixx to go to Wakata because it's the sole region I do not want.
582, ABR says it's ok for him to insult my scumhunting skills because he knows me. Hint: Not true. The fact he demeans DS here is just ridiculous. It implies there's one set of rules for ABR and another set for DS because he hasn't played with me. While DS's approach to me is nothing short of nonsensical, ABR is not in some special class where this behavior is cool.

In 802 and 804, he attempts to lynch RaL solely for sheeping us.

In 969, ABR starts pushing MOONLOGIC that I want Ghost town for myself despite being very explicit that I don't want anyone going to a ghost town day 1 because of the lack of Ghosts.

In 1028, ABR orders me to contain Mollie when she criticizes him and takes umbrage at being insulted despite Mollie not insulting him as a player. ABR has done constant undermining here.

In 1040, he says that our hydra will attack anyone who supports ABR despite us being clear we want Fluminator or Max.
In 1076 and 1077 and 1084, he continues to try and paint himself as the victim of an over aggressive Mollie when she did nothing but criticize his play.


2. He is hard defending slots without giving any articulable reason.

1. Fluminator

In 520, ABR refuses to state a position on Fluminator despite lack of content.
In 536, he says Fluminator needs to comment on current events to get a read.
562-567, ABR is defending Flum by yelling there's no reason to scumread Fluminator and discrediting anyone who jumps on. The level of passion does not make sense for a null read.
In 687, ABR says Fluminator has done jackshit.
In 802, ABR says Fluminator is a terrible vote and votes Rylai despite seeing something town.
In 804, ABR says Rylai must die for Sheeping Titus.
In 811, ABR says that we must scumhunt outside of Fluminator and Max despite ABR only insulting Drixx, myself, RaL and AA9 for the most part.
In 818, ABR uses a burden of proficiency argument to state we should come up with someone better.
In 859, ABR says there is no good reason to vote for Fulminator. He has deliberately ignored 683 at this point.
In 1038, he calls the hammers thing a joke.
In 1081, ABR says he has put forth reasons for Flum town. I just spent three hours with his ISO. That is a lie.
In 1086, he repeats that hammers was a joke that makes Fluminator lynchbait. This is the second time ABR says joke when 676 does not look like a joke.
In 1093, ABR has proof Flum's claim isn't a scumclaim. (Why didn't he say this sooner if accurate?).
In 1097, ABR says Fluminator is unlikely to claim unprompted as scum. Fluminator is under pressure and premature claiming under pressure something that does not provide benefits to town. He says we can just not let Fluminator hammer? How realistic is that though?
In 1106, he says the hammerrer getting abilities has been town.

He never reconsiders his Fluminator read when Fluminator wasn't "joking". He's not reconsidering based on alignment. He's thinking based on objective.

I.


3. He's picking on players that will provoke and based on results he doesn't want happening in the thread.

RaL

He votes RaL after vaguely stating he didn't like their posts in post 500. He's riding on popular sentiment that the hydra can be taken advantage of due to language issues. Lowkey had the feels and ABR is like me too. Wicked jester posts a case that attempts to punish FA for realizing she wants to block with her townreads but verify they are town. This gets picked up like hot potatoes despite the wagon on Fluminator with actual scummy behavior not taking point. He buddies CoolDog in post 530 by thanking him for CoolDog's circular logic to push the slot. When Drixx wants to scumhunt in his own way, ABR threatens him with scumreads unless he goes along in 548. In 584, aa9 asks ABR for reasons on Rylai. Rather than address her reasons, he insults her stating she's in a deep sleep. In 644, ABR puffs up the wagon promising future voters and saying the wagon is not reflective of the game state. In 653, ABR just said a post was pingining with nothing more. In 662, he says he cannot be seduced into unvoting her. In 687, he refuses to explain the case to Fluminator who has done "jackshit". In 692, he demands Lowkey vote solely because Lowkey expressed a prior suspicion. In 697, he says that RaL has received a scum confirmation or some such nonsense. 706 is more hot air from ABR. 726, ABR's first attempt at justification fails. RaL made a general point and ABR tries to say it wasn't true in a specific game. 729, ABR repeats the slot lied and tells her "not to make it personal" despite the many attacks on me. In 733 and 734, he rolefishes Shiro. In 745, suddenly ABR townreads her when she says she has information about characters. RaL has something he wants, instant townread. Forget the lie he posted, suddenly everything feels town. Then in 802, he chainsaws on Flum's behalf. In 807, he fishes Rylai again for the confirmed townies. In 814, he says the information might be lost forever trying to scare Rylai into giving information to scum. In 820, he does this again.

2. Klingoncelt
After RaL, he immediately jumps to Klingoncelt. I told him specifically that a push on Klingon would result in an explosion and Klingon had already pushed him as scum. Scum Klingon rarely comes out swinging. I had a town lean on Klingon for that reason. He's OMGUSING people with emotional play styles. In 834, ABR says Klingon is trying to fit in and fail. Klingon's ISO is largely hostile to ABR and contains next to no frivolity. 878, he says to DS that he may him if I don't follow him on Klingon. Blatant threat given I know Klingon.

3. Drixx
While ABR hasn't voted Drixx, he's attacked the slot ever since he knew Drixx could read me. In 825, he mC votes Drixx despite having expressed Zero positive opinion of the slot. In 917, he's pushing them in the party.

4. AA9
aBR objects to a townread here. Guess what AA9 suspected Flum and voted it.

5. Skybird
He pushes Skybird as a town "consensus" lynch (1038) he then tries to get her mc vote and lies about pushing her (1112). He offers her a slot with Rylai Drixx and CoolDog to get her MC vote. This is bribery of a scumread.

6. Diamond Sentinel
He insults DS in many places. The best example is in 821, where he says DS is a disgrace to mafia in 821. Then he says in 827 that he agrees with DS. In 1066, ABR says DS isn't remotely weak despite calling him a disgrace to the game in 821.

7. Cool Cucumbers
ABR nominates them for their party despite having zero interaction with the slot in 917. Fluminator and CC have also defended each other early. Cc defended the Fluminator wagon and Fluminator defended Cerb's easy read list to Mollie. This looks like blanket rewarding or sticking scum in the hood so ABR cannot be dethroned by town.

In 982, he doesn't call CC out on his hedge on my slot. He says we're not scummy but that doesn't make us town.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Mollie Without what Titus said what would your opinion on kling be?
~Lina

she is unsure for me. I say give her time.

I tend to throw my foses and vote around. sometimes I even vote my townreads if they annoy me, if I wanna see who latches on or if I am bored. it is how i orient myself in the game. mostly I am just trying to gather info if I say it is a meta read or trying to strongarm pple onto a lynch then yeah, I am being pretty srs. you will know when that happens. right now I feel pretty marginalized and trying not to get pissy about it. having abr as mc is a really bad idea and I am flummoxed as to why pple are voting. and by pple I mean dgb.

@ flum

yeah I wld love to see the northern lights in their full spectrum. I only saw them once and it was a faint green but it was in the city so the sky was pretty lit. I grew up in florida tho and sometimes before a storm there wld be green flashes in the sky. it was weird and hard to describe cos it didn't really emanate from anywhere and it was rare.

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey I'm just glad you're town. I'd like to take a quick moment to mention I'm on an 8 game winning streak rampage Yeahhhhh!

I have won 21 out of the last 27 town games I have played! I am even counting the cupcake 1 altho that game was bullshit.

hi cerb!

tbh I don't even remember what your exact response was I just felt like it was very hedgy. but I bet i remember what your responses are on this page tho!

oops

[Drunken Pirates]

Could be their hydra private topic.

wow yeah it is, I am surprised you didn't jump all over that.

okay mebbe you are not too terrible after all.

titus created the pt yesterday cos I guess during the middle she gets the urge to talk to me but probs doesn't want to wake up her husband by calling or wake me up if I am sleeping. I wasn't but I understood why she created.

[Drunken Pirates]

okay abr almost made me like him for a minute which sort of sends of alarm bells in my mind.

I am surprised no1 is asking for adventuring lists I mean that wld be really telling especially down the line doncha think?

[Drunken Pirates]

no, I mean lists of who pple wld take with them on their journeys. it leave a trail of opinions that pple cld look back on.

[Drunken Pirates]

ideally I wld love to see every1's lists.

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey I'm just glad you're town. I'd like to take a quick moment to mention I'm on an 8 game winning streak rampage Yeahhhhh!

I have won 21 out of the last 27 town games I have played! I am even counting the cupcake 1 altho that game was bullshit.

hi cerb!

tbh I don't even remember what your exact response was I just felt like it was very hedgy. but I bet i remember what your responses are on this page tho!

"hedgey"

"hedgey"

You know, that's a decent way of describing the way I answered your question(s)(which was, btw, you asking what my thoughts were on your reads), but...it's a markedly different way of describing it than the way Drixx and Titus described it. They were both shocked by me taking firm stances on things....firm stances which you call..."hedgey"

So, umm, which is it guys? Was I taking surprisingly firm stances, or was i being "hedgey"?

-Cerb

to me they felt hedgy cos I know what I was looking for.

the goal for this hydra was to build a bridge between titus and I. and that has most definitely happened. I am learning a lot about titus but I think we are radically different and yet I feel like if we can work it out, we can compliment each other's approach since there is a counterbalance of weaknesses and strengths in this hydra. talking to titus on the phone as we try to sort the game out has given me an entirely different view of titus.

titus is very literal and so she took your response in a very literal way. we have different interpretations of pple's posts cos we look for different things; I tend to read things tonally while she does something else. I think what she does is more fact-finding and draws conclusions from the facts she finds; they aren't always right nor are they always wrong. I think it is her still finding her way, just like most of us except for the pple who think they have already arrived.

pssst...here is the seekrit: you never actually arrive anywhere. as great as you might think you are there is still so much to learn about pple cos they are dynamic and always changing and will never stop surprising you no matter what. its probably the 1 thing that I love about this game it is that pple never cease to surprise me. and I keep learning and growing at least I hope I am still growing it wld totally suck if I ever learned all that I needed to know.

so to me you seem to be tonally hedging but titus will read your words and take them at literal value. I am not sure why you are lumping her with drixx. drixx DID vote her for best mafia catcher waaaaay before this game. mebbe drixx is following titus cos he can relate to how she processes things out. or mebbe he is just a fan. *shrug*

I have a feeling I will be doing a lot of shrugging this game cos I don't agree with abr being the mc or with the choices he listed. look at what titus pointed out: he was at 1 point wanting to VOTE SKYBIRD and then suddenly wanted her on his adventuring team? his play looks like pandering to the players he thinks are weaker than himself. cos I am not really getting the impression that he thinks they are great players so why not have yoyo or hindu on the adventure team. he did explain that he cld give yoyo any rings he found tho. but I am not sure why he wld think that cos it is not in the op. I mean it says you can only spark other players who you go on adventures with.

I have more formulated reads now if you want to discuss those. but don't try to drive a wedge in this hydra cos it ain't happening.

[Drunken Pirates]

I assume they meant I was "hedging my bets", as in, not firmly coming down on either side of the issue...as in...not giving a firm read as either scum or town.

-Cerb

Ah, so posturing.

hedging your bets is something entirely different from posturing.

hedging your bets:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hedge+bets

posturing:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/posturing

the 2 are entirely different

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm not trying to drive a wedge, I just like explanations for what I view as inconsistencies. One slot saying that I'm being hedgey with regards to the same post another head thinks I'm being too firm in requires explanation.

I lumped her in with Drixx because they are the two parties(along with spifflop, who is, unfortunately, no longer relevant, other than in our knowledge that his concerns were town motivated), who found my post displayed too much certainty for them to be comfortable with it, and viewed it as a departure from my normal play.

So, ABR: Are you guys in agreement that you believe he is scum? Or did that wall from Titus mean something else?

-Cerb

pedit: Ooh, drixx said something, I'll read it. ^^

okay so you have no problem with the explanation I gave? yaye!

does this mean you donnae wanna discuss reads

[Drunken Pirates]

@ drixx - titus wanted to post her big long wall from our hydra pt. she had been working on it for hours. which is why I was like "wow abr picked up that holy shit" but it only moves him to unsure cos why wld he have the confidence to say that it came from a hydra pt. the insight startles me and if abr is town I will be reevaluating him as a player. it strikes me as something that only scum (cos I am not in their pt) or perceptive town wld know. lets just say I am trying to be optimistic here despite the earlier townleans I had on him. when we flip, look at that. still wanna lean town but he is unsure tbh.

[Drunken Pirates]

flum said "I am not a miller" and then r&l claimed miller. it was a weird occurrence early on d1. it raised my eyebrows. sort of like the movie the body snatchers type of thing.

What could that 'weird occurrence' indicate?

I have been compiling a list of "weird things that I have seen scum do" ever since I joined this site. 1 of the things I have seen is scum jokingly refer to a role that their teammate has. it is not a solid tell, but I found it weird at the time.

I was working on the "grocery store tell" with 3 games as a sample size but myko had to go and ruin it in prozack's game. it made me sad cos I thought it was a really good tell.

[Drunken Pirates]

Also, these adventure lists are shitty. They're all "Yes, I would pick the people who have been talking the most and who people have expressed the most thoughts on that aren't negative"

Like. Idk, it doesn't feel good to me that there are so many consistencies in the lists that are being given out.

-Cerb

so who wld you like to adventure with cerb? if you think the lists provided so far are based on who is talking the most then mebbe you cld provide 1 yourself and show us the way?

[Drunken Pirates]

@ drixx - titus wanted to post her big long wall from our hydra pt. she had been working on it for hours. which is why I was like "wow abr picked up that holy shit" but it only moves him to unsure cos why wld he have the confidence to say that it came from a hydra pt. the insight startles me and if abr is town I will be reevaluating him as a player. it strikes me as something that only scum (cos I am not in their pt) or perceptive town wld know. lets just say I am trying to be optimistic here despite the earlier townleans I had on him. when we flip, look at that. still wanna lean town but he is unsure tbh.

What? It's not hard to notice that most of the links there simply don't exist, or lead to a topic we can't access. Why...why does that give ABR *any* credit at all? Anyone who decided to click on the links would have the same knowledge he displayed, which would lead to a very small pool of possibilities.

pedit: R&L. Be useful. Tell Drixx why he shouldn't go there. Seriously. stop with the "oh yeah we totally know things but we refuse to share these things because we're being secretive and playing sub optimally. We already outlined why it's *optimal* for you to name the flavor of the people you know are town. If you have other friggin information that helps us go on good adventures, friggin share it. Like, all of it. The only benefit to *not* sharing it is if you have this hope that scum will go adventure there and receive whatever negative result you're concerned about, and that's fucking marginal. It's a lot less significant than making sure the town doesn't misstep and accidentally help scum.

-Cerb

cos a natural uninformed majority wld jump to the paranoid conclusion that titus copypasta-ed from a scum pt which is where some pple went but abr didn't go there. so either he knows we are town cos we or not in his scum pt or he is perceptive enough to notice that we are actually town and that it came from our hydra pt. it makes me look at abr sort of askance. but in a surprisingly good way cos that cld have been an easy thing for him to leap all over.

[Drunken Pirates]

Been busy all day yesterday.... and liil busy today too.. Hopefully i ll catch up by tomorrow.

ftr d2IRT of mollie waiting for arc to do stuff

[Drunken Pirates]

Lowkey, I'm not so sure about that. I'm going to stop discussing this particular mechanical thing because it's kinda not useful for finding scum, other than having the list in the first place, but...well, if everyone is giving out the same list, it could also mean they're simply not trying, and are just defaulting to bullshit that someone else suggested. It also means scum get a free pass for just sheeping the suggested lists and "consensus" choices, which removes a lot of the value of having the list in the first place.

-Cerb

pedit: Yosarian, you are creating a parallel where none exists. It's not like roleblocking you. It's like inventing to you. He wouldn't invent a power to someone he was uncertain of. He would only invent it to someone whose alignment he was very certain of.

who is scum cerb

[Drunken Pirates]

pedit: Yosarian, you are creating a parallel where none exists. It's not like roleblocking you. It's like inventing to you. He wouldn't invent a power to someone he was uncertain of. He would only invent it to someone whose alignment he was very certain of.

That analogy does not work, because I'm the only one who can use them. It's an investment that costs nothing.

Cool. If nobody else claims being able to use rings, then it seems like as long as you don't scum yourself up, then you should get them. I don't believe you claimed exclusive use of rings prior to this post. If you did, I misread, and my bad. I doubt I'll get any rings, for whatever that's worth.

yoyo has been screaming for items (rings) for quite some time now drixx!

[Drunken Pirates]

@Drixx, Cerb, Mollie, Ok, I know I'm not supposed to be butting in here, but I must comment.

If RaL claims the names of the confirmed town in the thread, those possessing the names would be forced to claim, even if otherwise disadvantageous to do so. The reason being is that we have no way of knowing if scum have a janitor. If the slots didn't claim and scum shot and janitored those slots, the fake claim would allow them to coast to victory. We should not depend on getting lucky in scum shooting a mason lover and the other mason lover flipping like in Stevens Universe.

So these slots would be forced to flavor claim, thus removing them off the table as mislynches for scum. It would be MUCH better if scum tried to mislynch those characters and then they claimed the matching flavor that a hood would be aware of.

RaL needs to be in the night 2 adventure. That adventure needs to be all town.

@TCC, Drixx said he didn't like the company on DGB. There was only one other voter on DGB, ZZZX. Thus, Drixx does not like ZZZX.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I wasn't being sarcastic Titus. I realize that. I was being appreciative of the fact that Drixx gave thoughts on both of the other slots on the wagon he was moving away from. I'm not always a sarcastic ass guys. :-/ I express sincere appreciation for people doing things I like, while being an ass to those who do things I think are terrible.

Yes, DP, I agree with what you're saying about what has to happen with regards to the names R&L have saved up. I believe, however, that you're focusing too much on a unlikely marginal benefit.

We need there to be all town on the adventure.
We need R&L to be town.
We need people to try to lynch those slots.
We need the push on those slots to happen before they would otherwise claim.

If all those things don't happen, then the marginal benefit of being able to analyze who was pushing someone who is now known to be conftown doesn't exist. I'd prefer to take them off the mislynch table now, and force scum to shoot them at some point, especially if they're strong, threatening players. As I said, better chance for our protective roles to do their jobs.

-Cerb

As someone who does wagon analysis, that's greatly hindering to my play and FMPOV the likelihood is hardly marginal. While Mollie and I are still sorting reads, offering mislynch bait is pretty good to see who jumps. This is

exactly

what I did with Sukoden and Jeanne versus Lickedty Quickety.

Scum playing in a field where there are fucking impossible lynches that no one knows who they are is a good thing. There are only so many easily mislynchable players in this list.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey mollie, what do you think of sensei townslipping like I said earlier

I wanted to adventure with him until he thought we had scumslipped when we really haven't. ffs I gave titus the go ahead on that post that was sitting in our hydra pt cos i told titus to sit on her fingers for a bit and that is what she did in her spare time. it was a good post I think.

I feel like sensai is coming across as placating to me to every1 in all of his posts (not making waves). I am not really seeing it as a townslip the way you are. sorry.

[Drunken Pirates]

pedit: Yosarian, you are creating a parallel where none exists. It's not like roleblocking you. It's like inventing to you. He wouldn't invent a power to someone he was uncertain of. He would only invent it to someone whose alignment he was very certain of.

That analogy does not work, because I'm the only one who can use them. It's an investment that costs nothing.

Cool. If nobody else claims being able to use rings, then it seems like as long as you don't scum yourself up, then you should get them. I don't believe you claimed exclusive use of rings prior to this post. If you did, I misread, and my bad. I doubt I'll get any rings, for whatever that's worth.

yoyo has been screaming for items (rings) for quite some time now drixx!

You think? Did he claim he was the only one who could use them prior to that post? I didn't catch it if he did.

well no.

but how exactly was he supposed to know he was the only 1? I mean his thought progression "OMG NO1 ELSE SEEMS TO NEED TO GET RINGS I MUST HAVE THEM NO1 IS CCING ME I DON'T CARE IF I AM ON THE ADVENTURE I JUST WANT YOUR BOOTY GIMME MY RINGS GODDAMMIT" seems to check out.

I might be paraphrasing tho.

[Drunken Pirates]

Drixx if we claim the names you will reconsider that adventure?

or is it already begun?

~Rylai

Adventure begins at night. I'll be happy to reconsider.

I'm w8ing for shiro for outing the names

You must reconsider

~Rylai

Drixx said he would reconsider. Please don't out the names.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Like ... why are you guys debating whether that's a slip or not?

Because we aren't as smart as you and don't know how to differentiate between whether the post lead back to a scum topic or a hydra topic?
And after reading your post I still don't. lol

Directly. You can't. There is no technological way to verify our alignment. I made the PT in question. I made the post in question. I had three threads up at the time of drafting it. About midway through I got tired of putting [post] around everything.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Like ... why are you guys debating whether that's a slip or not?

Because we aren't as smart as you and don't know how to differentiate between whether the post lead back to a scum topic or a hydra topic?
And after reading your post I still don't. lol

so how do you feel about mine sensei?

[Drunken Pirates]

Errant wave once if you have a post restriction that you cant quote posts

Wave twice if you can vote / MC vote

Wave three times if it will change under certain conditions

Wave four times if multiple statements in this list are true.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Drixx, invalid premise. I write posts by hand. Writing [post] tags in the PT links to the PT. So you type that in the PT, quote the PT post. Paste here. The error is generated. I have been particularly frustrated and tired these last few days due to IRL.

Why are you stating I am lying when the issue is you didn't understand something? Like wtf?

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie is in charge today. I said I need to sync with her a few posts back. Please read. I don't like repeating myself.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

DiamondSentinel didn't like that Wicked voted for themselves as MC, and seemed to be of the opinion that they shouldn't be MC because of that. It prompted me to vote for them because I thought it would be a funny thing to do, and ABR (i think, am I remembering that correctly?) followed suit. Wicked's a solid townread and his opinions are similar to mine, so he's a great choice for MC imo.

Thanks Max, Make sesnce

Main Character: Wickedestjr

*shakes head vigorously*
VOTE: AA9

*looks at Klingon wagon contemplatively*

I am with you on arc mebbe being scum and I have no idea why titus is townreading her when she really shldn't be.

I thought lowell was more interesting when he wasn't posting cos then he was imaginary and i cld assign any quality I wanted to him. I was starting to think that hindu was a tulpa and I got excited cos I have been wanting to learn more about tulpas but I haven't found any1 to ask about it now that yukari has left. according to him, there are a bunch of closet tulpas on this site. I find the whole thing rather bizarre to be perfectly honest, no offense to tulpas.

anyways lowell gave a bit ioa post despite his math symbols in the margin which makes me sad cos I liked hindu.