NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 333, Muffin wrote:In post 330, T S O wrote:Well, it's great that you want to vote me even more now. Maybe you're actually going to- wait, you're already voting me.
The whole point of my answer, though, is that I can actually back up my meta of voteparking - not with examples, but with actual quotes of me saying I votepark. It's a recurrent habit, but it -is- my playstyle.
Knowing your own meta makes that meta useless.That is not a valid defence.
I support this post. Have a cookie, Muffin.
Quite disappointed to have missed out on RVS. It's my favourite part of D1I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 356, GrayFoxxxx wrote:I'm seeing TSO as town. I have been in some pissing matches (looking at you Thor), but TSO took it to another level. I know effort doesn't indicate alignment but TSOs effort and willingness to respond to everything indicates null town at the least.The content of his effort doesn'tI think he should try not to tunnel so much because it gives scum some leverage when pushing a wagon.feelscummy.
Cho or tier could be scum but Chos posts are horrible. I think he jumped on an easy wagon and he has been ambiguous about it.Sheeping isn't towny at all this early.youre hiding behind someone else's actions with out even having a real read on the person you are sheeping.Has a slight buddying feel to it as well.
This is after a quick read and a phone post. I would liketo touch on the Nero/Toby duel after I reread.My strongest town read is good morning. Not any easy reads either way.
-shitty phone post
I find myself agreeing with most of this post upon catching up on the thread. Even beyond this post, I'm willing to give the slot a town pass for now. Csareo seemed like he dove off the deep end but forgot his little floaters...
-------------------------------------------------
On my first read-through, goodmorning was top townread, but now that I've gone back I'm kind of second-guessing that read. Didn't care much for 239 in particular, her defense of T S O seems a bit excessive, and then it gets followed up by this:
In post 349, goodmorning wrote:So I've found myself defending TSO. That's pretty strong for me. This is where I figure out whether it's because of circumstance or is an actual townread.
In post 365, goodmorning wrote:I seem to have concluded that TSO is Town.
I'm putting her as town for now, but this did smell a little funky. Smells like goddamn "eau de oiseau" or something...
-------------------------------------------------
I'm hesitant to lean town on T S O. I'm not sure that his interaction with Csareo is alignment-indicative, but it seems genuine. Probably gonna hold back on a read for now until something piques my interest from him.
-------------------------------------------------
Top scumread would be Scripten. I'm irked by everything in his ISO. Non-committal, flimsy reads and a lackadaisical vote on top wagon are raising my hackles.
VOTE: ScriptenI have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 371, Thor665 wrote:And I townread Scripten.
Could you elaborate a bit? What are you seeing that I'm not?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 374, PeregrineV wrote:In post 370, Thor665 wrote:I don't think you get to naked vote at this stage of the game - reads and thoughts please.
It's not naked, it's more an acceptance that Izraeil probably knows better than I at this point, and last time I thought they were scum, ignored them, and we lost.
Of course, an actual read will give me a better idea. Is there a reason you think he is particularly town?
I'm not sure why you'd sheep me at all, honestly. I'm also a late-comer here, playing catch-up just as you are.
Did something about Scripten's behavior make you put more weight on my read or something?
Also, in the game you linked, you were my top scumread and you were town... so there's that. I'm sure that's probably a reason why you were inclined to ignore my 5-Off scumread.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 376, Thor665 wrote:In post 373, Izariael wrote:In post 371, Thor665 wrote:And I townread Scripten.
Could you elaborate a bit? What are you seeing that I'm not?
Well, your presented case on him is pretty paper thin as stands, so it's not like you're even seeing anything.
My read on him is more one of gut and 'I agree with that' but I like how he singled out Tier as looking town and didn't mention GM - which is where I'm at and feels a logical town place to be rather than a scum looking to toss out some easy town reads.
I don't understand what is so logical about throwing out:In post 301, Scripten wrote:Nobody is really pinging hard either way.In post 362, Scripten wrote:TSOseemsmildly town. Toby and Tiershiftfeeltown. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)
Nero Cainlooksa little suspicious. Chofeelslike scum to me.
There is no analysis. It's just using "buzz words" as you said and trying to be a convincingly active player.
----------------------------------------------------
Which reads were non-committal? My T S O read was a wholly-committed null at that point. Too much of his content was interaction with Csareo to provide a read I felt comfortable following. The other reads were clearly committed. Having a committed read doesn't mean you set it in stone, but it does require some sense of an explanation or analysis that can show WHY you have listed a player as leaning town or scum.In post 376, Thor665 wrote:As far as I can tell your case on him is made up of buzz words and dings him for being non-committal more than anything.
On Page 16 of a large.
After you just got done being non-committal in some of the reads you were offering.
Meh.
Sure, but I haven't posted my reads on every one of the other 20 players yet. Doesn't mean I don't have reads on such players though. I still found Scripten's "here are some minor reads - look I'm participating" to be the scummiest read I have.We had players who were 'non-posting' at that stage.
We had players who had been strongly committal and then reversed.
Mmkay.We haven't had a decent wagon yet (showing how non-committal most of the players are, quite frankly).
We have no town leadership.
I say that with an awareness that I am known for early crusades, and I haven't felt my teeth bite in yet.
So, basically your case is, to my mind, 'he is a player in this game'I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 437, Cho wrote:I think I'm fairly town for outing the neighborhood. Scum wouldn't do that.
Sure they would. Being in a neighbourhood isn't alignment-indicative, so it's not really skin off their back to out it, especially if it gets them towncred. I view outing it as null, since I see motivations from both sides of the equation.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 440, Izariael wrote:In post 437, Cho wrote:I think I'm fairly town for outing the neighborhood. Scum wouldn't do that.
Sure they would. Being in a neighbourhood isn't alignment-indicative, so it's not really skin off their back to out it, especially if it gets them towncred. I view outing it as null, since I see motivations from both sides of the equation.
Oh shitballs... gm beat me to it I think. I didn't see her post until afterI have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 392, Scripten wrote:In post 368, Izariael wrote:
Top scumread would be Scripten. I'm irked by everything in his ISO. Non-committal, flimsy reads and a lackadaisical vote on top wagon are raising my hackles.
VOTE: Scripten
This looks like a vote for town cred rather than a vote based on actual scumhunting.
It's fairly early into D1, and you want solid reads on people? In a large?
Also, Cho was tied with TSO atthreevotes. I think I can deal with the guilt of putting someone at L-8 or so.
I'm not expecting solid reads of OBVTOWN or OBVSCUM, but at least give a bit of insight about why you think such and such person is town or scum. Don't just fake active participation by throwing out reads a four year-old could vomit.
I didn't like your Cho vote because "Cho feels like scum" was weak... Cho's had enough posts to at least give a better reason than that. I'm sure that if you trulythat she's scum that you could probe a little deeper and explain why her actionsfeelscummy. Gut feels don't just happen. Something they've done or said sets off red flags along the way to tweak the gut-strings. So find it and get back to me. Kthxbai.feelI have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 449, Thor665 wrote:In post 439, Izariael wrote:I don't understand what is so logical about throwing out:In post 301, Scripten wrote:Nobody is really pinging hard either way.In post 362, Scripten wrote:TSOseemsmildly town. Toby and Tiershiftfeeltown. (Tier feels quite town, in fact.)
Nero Cainlooksa little suspicious. Chofeelslike scum to me.
There is no analysis. It's just using "buzz words" as you said and trying to be a convincingly active player.
Nah, using emotions to get reads isn't a buzzword. Saying 'I feel' is no better or worse than saying 'I think' and it makes you *feel* more scummy to me for even trying to paint it that way.
I don't disagree with this. I'd have just as much of a problem if someone just said "I think Cho is scum" without expanding on it. I don't see why you think this is a thing.
In post 439, Izariael wrote:Which reads were non-committal? My T S O read was a wholly-committed null at that point.
Is this sarcastic irony?
I hope it's sarcastic irony.[/quote]
You can hope all you like, but I was srs. Nothing wrong with committing to a null.
In post 439, Izariael wrote:Sure, but I haven't posted my reads on every one of the other 20 players yet. Doesn't mean I don't have reads on such players though. I still found Scripten's "here are some minor reads - look I'm participating" to be the scummiest read I have.
Your reads are not very impressive to me then.
Want to sheep me on Pere? Maybe he's alternate scum team to you, yeah?
No, I don't want to sheep you period. Plus I'm not sold on scum!PeregrineV yet. I've seen him super-scummy as town before. I wouldn't be upset if he got vigged/lynched though.
Also, I don't really care if you're impressed by my reads or not. I'm still putting them out there for your scrutiny regardless.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 459, Thor665 wrote:In post 458, Izariael wrote:You can hope all you like, but I was srs. Nothing wrong with committing to a null.
Except trying to take credit for it while bashing someone offering mild alignment leans as weak - then there IS a problem with committing to it.
I COMMIT TO THIS NULL READ...by the way, this other guy isn't getting behind his town adn scum reads other than to say he "feels" this way about them. That's the scummiest thing in this thread!
I would be okay lynching Izariael now.
I explained why I have a null read. Scripten didn't explain why he had town or scum reads. This is where I'm having the issue. Again, I don't see why you think this is a thing. I'm not asking Scripten to perform micro-surgery on an ant. I'm asking him to give a simple explanation of why he has the reads he does. It's really not a challenge.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 462, Thor665 wrote:In post 460, Izariael wrote:I'm not asking Scripten to perform micro-surgery on an ant. I'm asking him to give a simple explanation of why he has the reads he does.
No - you're calling him scummy for presenting his reads like that. That's my hangup with it.
I've given him opportunity to explain his reads... he still hasn't done so. So yeah. I find it scummy. Might I have removed my vote promptly upon seeing his reply, despite it not being alignment-indicative? Sure, but we won't know now because he hasn't done so.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 50, Boonskiies wrote:The claims on page 1 are most likely just fooling around. Why did cho claim mafia?
VOTE: ChoIn post 130, Boonskiies wrote:unvote
My cho and Csareo votes were RVS.
@Cho - I'm totally kidding. Haha.In post 464, Boonskiies wrote:Anyhoosies, I don't like that Cho keeps making the mafia claim joke, (he did it in neighborhood along with doing it on his first post). It looks like a thing mafia might do to seem like a joke, and make people go, "Oh lookie here, they are making a joke, HAHAHAHA, THAT'S FUNNY! He can't really be scum!" And that's scummy. Also, he is making up reasons for why would I as scum scenarios, like outing the neighborhood. Seems planned. YAWWWWW.
Vote: Cho
Soooo.... you vote Cho because of her mafia claim joke. Then you unvote and say it was RVS. Then go back to voting her for the same reason as before, conveniently right around the time that others are boarding the Cho wagon? Eeeeehhh?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 472, Izariael wrote:Soooo.... you vote Cho because of her mafia claim joke. Then you unvote and say it was RVS. Then go back to voting her for the same reason as before,conveniently right around the time that others are boarding the Cho wagon? Eeeeehhh?
EBWOP because I don't check these things before posting. Turns out my sense of the progression of time is a bit skewy. I'm gonna blame that one on the fever. Maybe not so curious about the timing any more, but still, using the same reason again after dismissing it as RVS?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Since about the time when "scum" and "active lurking" became buzzwords.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 587, Scripten wrote:In post 568, AxleGreaser wrote:
In post 392, Scripten wrote:In post 368, Izariael wrote:
Top scumread would be Scripten. I'm irked by everything in his ISO. Non-committal, flimsy reads and a lackadaisical vote on top wagon are raising my hackles.
VOTE: Scripten
This looks like a vote for town cred rather than a vote based on actual scumhunting.
It's fairly early into D1, and you want solid reads on people? In a large?
Also, Cho was tied with TSO atthreevotes. I think I can deal with the guilt of putting someone at L-8 or so.
@Scripten
Please explain how you think that would get "town cred" and is not actual scum hunting.
(I fail to see your point of view) (I fail to see how you can hold your point of view.) (It feels made up.) Show me your perspective.
My explanation is literally right there in the quote.Everything about Izar's vote was based on pedantic "You use words that I'm going to construe as scummy because I said they are" logic and hyperbole.1 The top two wagons were on my top scumread and a town read. I don't (didn't) have a strong enough read on any other player to warrant starting another wagon.
In post 501, PeregrineV wrote:17. Scripten- early scumvibes. Some wording makes me wonder.392- A vote on him for "town cred" can only be town cred if Scripten is scum. Stuff like that keeps me from calling you town.
Uh huh... Because nobody makes votes just to gain good favor with the rest of the town, right?Izar hadn't finished reading the thread, and when you sheeped them, they even seemed surprised/possibly nervous.2 That said, you are looking WAY scummier than they are right now.
So ready to vote PereV. (Btw uhm... muffin, your nickname for him MIGHT not be apropro. ) His (intentional(?)) misinterpretations and the fact that he's ready to vote Thor for discussing multiball are huge red flags. Does nobody else follow why the latter is so scummy?
Few things:
1)My vote wasn't based at all on your WORDING of your reads.Both you and Thor seem to think that I gave a shit about how you worded it. I didn't. What irked me about your reads is that they were the most bare bones reads ever. There was NOTHING of interest there that offered a glimpse of what is making your gears turn. Anyone can say "oh, they feel like scum. I think they're town. They seem town." I don't care about that. I want to know WHY you think that. What about their behavior has driven you to those conclusions? I've already clarified this and offered you an opportunity to explain your reads, and you still haven't done so, which I continue to find scummy. 445, 458
Would you care to elaborate now? Your answers won't be alignment-indicative, but they will at least establish a ground zero for your reads. Then I can catch you lying later like the scum you are. Thanks.
2) [begin segue]I was caught up on reading in the thread, but several of the posts I would have made if I'd been there at the time had become obsolete based on new information (e.g. Csareo replacement), so I wound up filtering or p-editing some of the things I was planning to say. My read on goodmorning is actually a good example of that 368. I had listed her as top townread for the first several pages, because I liked the thought process she was demonstrating, especially regarding Cho's neighbourhood reveal. But then as I caught up fully, I saw a few posts that raised some red flags. She still wound up being among top townreads, but perhaps a bit more even-keel. The wording in 368 kind of shows that it fell victim to p-edit, since I didn't really clarify why she was top townread initially.[end segue]
PeregrineV's sheep on my vote was unexpected and unusual, but it's kind of the only red flag I've seen from him. PeregrineV's play here seems consistent with what I've seen from Town!Peregrine, so I don't really have a scum read on his slot at this time. I think Peregrine has a tendency to appear pretty scummy as town, so my past experience with him has me trying to look past my initial misgivings of his play and look for alternative motivations that could come from town. I'm still undecided on how I feel about him, but it's definitely not a "he must be scum" feeling.
In post 565, Scripten wrote:In post 559, Thor665 wrote:@Everyone - Pere claimed scum. I caught him. You may sheep me now.
Heh. I like this. Not yet ready to sheep Thor, but this is a good post.
And this is a terrible post. If I say "@Everyone - Scripten claimed scum. I caught him. You may sheep me now." will you think this is a good post too?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 606, Scripten wrote:In post 595, Izariael wrote:
PeregrineV's sheep on my vote was unexpected and unusual, but it's kind of the only red flag I've seen from him. PeregrineV's play here seems consistent with what I've seen from Town!Peregrine, so I don't really have a scum read on his slot at this time. I think Peregrine has a tendency to appear pretty scummy as town, so my past experience with him has me trying to look past my initial misgivings of his play and look for alternative motivations that could come from town. I'm still undecided on how I feel about him, but it's definitely not a "he must be scum" feeling.
"He always looks scummy to me, so I'm forgiving scummy behavior." Is this not what you are saying here?
No it's not, but thanks for trying to tarnish my credibility. I don't think my statement needs clarification.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 610, Scripten wrote:(439). Overemphasis on my word choice (pedantry), the laughable position of a "solid null read" as contrast to my vote, (fishing for favor) and mentioning how my vote was on "the top wagon" (hyperbole) just to make sure their case looks stronger. Need I say more?
Just because a case is wordy doesn't mean it is right.
Says the one using "pedantry", "fishing for favor" and "hyperbole" to discount me.
Once again, I never cared about your wording. Go back and re-read to see if you can actually figure out what my issue was with your posts. I made it quite clear.
And yes, my null read did contrast your read on Cho, because I gave explanation of WHY I had a null read, which you did not do for any of your reads. (**HINT: THIS IS WHAT MY PROBLEM WAS**)
And the fact that your vote was on top wagon is just that: a fact.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 633, davesaz wrote:In post 632, Thor665 wrote:
This is written by someone who is not paying attention to the issue or can't figure it out.
The conversation has NEVER been about whether it is or is not multiball.
You should read it again.
Then offer an opinion on the scumtells being advanced.
This is you not understanding that I fully understand the issue and am firmly stating that there are no scumtells involved in this discussion.
I think I agree with this post. This is feeling very TvT for me from a lack of scumtells.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 612, PeregrineV wrote:In post 606, Scripten wrote:It's actually hilarious how badly both you and PereV are missing what Thor has been saying. I'm just pointing out how obvious it should be to everyone else. All of these attempts to outguess the mod/setup are really just moot points.
What has Thor been saying? In your own words.
I'd also like this clarified, since it seemed directed at me but I don't actually understand what Thor comment it's referring to. Thor's address of Peregrine and I are two separate topics, so clumping them in together to say "[we're both] missing what Thor has been saying" seems like an attempt to buddy up with Thor.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 643, Thor665 wrote:Dave is a scum read now too.
And I disagree with this post. It seems Thor scumreads anyone who doesn't agree with his line of thinking. That's good to note so I can disregard his reads for the rest of the game.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
At this point, the multiball discussion is clogging up the DP, and I'm not wanting to wade through the trenches to find scumtells that supposedly exist in it that I don't currently see.
Let it be noted that I appreciate any attempts here to turn the conversation elsewhere.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 660, PeregrineV wrote:You saw the reactions to the Scripten vote. What do you think of them (the reactions)?
Which Scripten vote? Yours or mine? I think there were different reactions to each.
Scripten's reaction to both votes hasn't done anything so far to alleviate a scumread on him, and has probably made it stronger since I'm currently feeling no inclination to move my vote. His reaction is not one that I'd anticipate from town who just got voted.
Thor's reaction to your vote wasn't unwarranted, which I would be tempted to townread, but his recent multiball exchange with you is making it hard to establish a townread or scumread on him. I didn't care much for his reaction to my vote though. Not only did he miss the reason for my vote, but then he spits on my ability to form reads. It's either gross town or gross scum. Either way, it's icky play.
I have to jolt over to work, but there were a couple of other players that I'd townread for their reactions, I just need time to find the posts in question. I'll get to this later.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 692, Goofyd00d wrote:I was trying to point out that a 5 neighborhood is suspiciousin a time of the game where people were trying to deny that the neighborhood even had one mafia any. I wasn't implying this game had to be multiball
(I'm catching up and still at post 601, sorry if this is no longer relevant.)
Correct me if there was a different post you were referencing, but the closest I see to this is goodmorning's post:
In post 61, goodmorning wrote:I was ignoring the Neighbourhood claim because it's not particularly beneficial to out it atm.
Yes, I'm in a Neighbourhood with 3 others and Cho. No, I don't think we can say there's absolutely Scum in the Neighbourhood, though it is likely.
Neighbour claim is indeed completely irrelevant to what's been posted thus far.
in whichshe doesn't deny the possibility of mafia in a neighbourhoodbut does not want to scumhunt on the assumption that there is, which I find to be a far townier perspective that what you are saying she said. It's borderline misrep.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 699, Nero Cain wrote:What do you think of scum being in the hoods?
Do you think that if there's more than two hoods they should claim so town atleast knows the number of hoods?
At this point, it's become clear that there are multiple neighborhoods. If the wording of the opening neighborhood post is the same for everyone in such a hood, then I think we may have 4 neighborhoods in total (possibly with 1/4 players each?), each neighborhood being a different "corner" of the room. Is there anyone who isn't part of a neighborhood that could shed some light on this? (Yes I am in one myself)
Regardless, I think it might behoove us to go ahead and lay out the neighborhoods on the table since their existence is already known. Does anyone object to doing this?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Completely off-topic, but I shed a tear of joy when you finally spelled my name correctly and a tear of sadness when you got my pronoun incorrect. It's a whirlwind roller coaster of emotions right now.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 665, Izariael wrote:In post 660, PeregrineV wrote:You saw the reactions to the Scripten vote. What do you think of them (the reactions)?
I have to jolt over to work, but there were a couple of other players that I'd townread for their reactions, I just need time to find the posts in question. I'll get to this later.
So I did initially like AxleGreaser's 568 as it brought up a question that I had not thought of or addressed in my response to the post (445). However during some re-reading tonight I noticed that it did bear a resemblance to your [PeregrineV's] comment from earlier:
Whether it is coincidence that he chose to address a similar concern or if it was hiding a scummy vote is something I have yet to decide. For now I'm giving it a townread.In post 501, PeregrineV wrote:17. Scripten- early scumvibes. Some wording makes me wonder.392- A vote on him for "town cred" can only be town cred if Scripten is scum. Stuff like that keeps me from calling you town.
I did like Egg's reaction to the votes, as well as the post in general. (486) His Aneninen segment struck me as a bit odd in tone/motive, but overall it felt like a town thought process.
I thought I had another reaction I specifically wanted to comment on, but I can't find a post that is reminding me of who it was... so I'll just leave it at these two additions for now. Maybe my memory will get jogged laterI have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 666, Scripten wrote:
My point was that the discussion was centering on an argument over whether or not this game was multiball on one side, while the other side was examining the motivations behind the discussion. PeregrineV was accusing Thor of being scum for bringing up multiball, but Thor was not claiming that PeregrineV was scummy because he disagreed. There was this cognitive dissonance between what Thor was saying and what everyone else involved seemed to be hearing. He's since explained this better than I can. (After all, I'm not in his head.)In post 658, Izariael wrote:In post 612, PeregrineV wrote:In post 606, Scripten wrote:It's actually hilarious how badly both you and PereV are missing what Thor has been saying. I'm just pointing out how obvious it should be to everyone else. All of these attempts to outguess the mod/setup are really just moot points.
What has Thor been saying? In your own words.
I'd also like this clarified, since it seemed directed at me but I don't actually understand what Thor comment it's referring to. Thor's address of Peregrine and I are two separate topics, so clumping them in together to say "[we're both] missing what Thor has been saying" seems like an attempt to buddy up with Thor.
I'm still not quite sure why your statement in 606 was directed at me then... I don't recall being involved in their multiball discussion, but have been observing that discussion from the sidelines. How did I fit in with all of this?
In post 606, Scripten wrote:In post 595, Izariael wrote:In post 565, Scripten wrote:In post 559, Thor665 wrote:@Everyone - Pere claimed scum. I caught him. You may sheep me now.
Heh. I like this. Not yet ready to sheep Thor, but this is a good post.
And this is a terrible post. If I say "@Everyone - Scripten claimed scum. I caught him. You may sheep me now." will you think this is a good post too?
Ifyou actually had anything andI didn't have a sexy green role PM, maybe.
Given that this is completely non-confirmable outside of your dying role-flip, how do you expect anyone to hold this as a townread for you?
@PeregrineV:I'm actually very curious to know your stance on this. Do you think his bolded statement is something that should reassure us of his towniness?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 708, Muffin wrote:In post 702, Izariael wrote:Does anyone object to doing this?
Given they've already been exposed, I definitely agree that the pro town move is to lat out who is in which neighborhood.
Muffin you silly beaannnn, you already suggested this. You've had your cookie... let the other kids come up to the counter.At this point in time I don't think it's alignment-indicative any moreso I don't know why I bothered to ask really. There's really no town motivation to hide the neighborhoods any more, and scum would be silly to try to stop it from happening. Revealing them is more just a formality than anything now.
The way I see it, scum will be talking amongst themselves on night 1 (if they didn't already do so on night 0) and revealing to one another who is in their neighborhoods, if applicable. Town may as well be on the same page now by opening up before we've lost any numbers. The more people we lose the easier it would become for scum to fabricate details.
My neighborhood consists of Aneninen, Boonskiies, Cho, goodmorning and me.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 714, Scripten wrote:My neighborhood is davesaz, Nero Cain, and TSO. I believe this may have already come out, but I'd like it in my ISO for people to see.
Given that it is no longer alignment-indicative to be revealing ho is in your neighborhood, why is it important to you that this is in your ISO?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 717, Izariael wrote:In post 714, Scripten wrote:My neighborhood is davesaz, Nero Cain, and TSO. I believe this may have already come out, but I'd like it in my ISO for people to see.
Given that it iswas neveralignment-indicative to be revealingwhois in your neighborhood, why is it important to you that this is in your ISO?
EBWOP.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Would you care to be specific about what you don't like? This is an incredibly vague criticism that leaves a lot to the imagination.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 720, Scripten wrote:In post 717, Izariael wrote:In post 714, Scripten wrote:My neighborhood is davesaz, Nero Cain, and TSO. I believe this may have already come out, but I'd like it in my ISO for people to see.
Given that it is no longer alignment-indicative to be revealing ho is in your neighborhood, why is it important to you that this is in your ISO?
Because an easily-compiled list of neighborhood composition is pro-town.
But the time for being up-front and pro-active about neighborhood composition is long past. Throwing it out there now is a formality more than anything, since everyone is aware that multiple neighborhoods are in play. It might be pro-town, but I would expect scum to follow suit as well because it would be blatantly scummy not to.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 747, Scripten wrote:In post 723, Izariael wrote:
But the time for being up-front and pro-active about neighborhood composition is long past. Throwing it out there now is a formality more than anything, since everyone is aware that multiple neighborhoods are in play. It might be pro-town, but I would expect scum to follow suit as well because it would be blatantly scummy not to.
Yeah. It's a null tell that is, IMO, pro-town. Knowing who can talk to one another overnight is useful information. I'm not actually sure what part of this you are questioning?In post 714, Scripten wrote:My neighborhood is davesaz, Nero Cain, and TSO. I believe this may have already come out,but I'd like it in my ISO for people to see.
I fail to understand why you chose to include the bolded statement. It sounds like you want to intentionally include something that *could* be seen as pro-town just for the sake of appearances. I don't see why a town player would be so concerned about making surethis detailis on their ISO. As long as they can confirm that no information about the hood is being lied about, then what is it to a town player whether they or another player opened up about it?
In post 805, Scripten wrote:(The alt-hater thing is not really alignment indicative, but I do have a thing against policy lynches.)
Seems somewhat contradictory to what you said here
In which you are saying you would policy lynch someone on the basis that they support policy lynches. This is like pushing for capital punishment on people who support capital punishment. Does someone else come along and policy lynch you for policy lynching someone who supports policy lynches? Where does this chain end? You're perpetuating the very thing you're trying to stop... and then now say you're against it?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 818, Izariael wrote:In post 747, Scripten wrote:In post 723, Izariael wrote:I don't see why a town player would be so concerned about making surethis detailis on their ISO.
I don't actually see why a town player would specifically go out of their way to tailor their ISO to be "townier" in appearance, regardless of the details in question. It just seems like a counter-productive thing to be doing when you could be instead spending time actually, you know... looking for scum. It's like trying to coif your hair in the middle of a house fire. Like... get your priorities straight here. Survival > Appearances.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 743, TierShift wrote:You seem to be addressing me as though I've been shitting on you, which I haven't. What's up with the attitude?
In post 746, TierShift wrote:In post 744, Thor665 wrote:Hint: I am scumhunting you.
That is not an excuse for your tone.
He seems to speak this way to anyone not agreeing with him. It irks me as a player, but I haven't played with Thor prior to this nor have I checked his previous games to know if this sneery, condescending tone of his is par for the course or if it could be alignment-indicative. I can't work past my personal bias to get any sort of read on him.
I do like both of these posts (and I think there was another from you [TierShift] touching on this but couldn't find it skimming your ISO) for addressing something that I've been meaning to address to Thor:
@Thor: Drawing different conclusions or applying a different brand of logic than you doesn't make me terrible town. Nor does it make me scum. It simply means that I have evaluated something differently than you have. You think I'm terrible town for having "faulty logic", while I think you're terrible town for your dogmatic attitude. The vast majority of your posts have this stick-up-your-ass tone that is quickly getting old. I would love to give you an unbiased read that isn't influenced by my incredible distaste for your attitude, because right now all I'm thinking is "I just want Thor out of the game, regardless of his alignment." For that to happen, I would need you to step back a bit, get off your high horse, and cut this "I art superior to thou" crap that you're doing. Maybe you're right about EVERYTHING in this game, and I am WRONG about everything in this game. Perhaps it's the other way around. It still does not give you the right to be a complete ass to myself or other players in the way I see you doing. I'll leave that ball in your court. Do as you please.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Actually, I'm still thinking about this (819).... It does remind me of a similar scenario from my first forum mafia game, so Icansee how a town player would think that this is a townie thing, however I have since adopted a different stance on this that I think is more fitting of the forum venue. I'm seeing both sides of this coin, so I don't really have a read on it.
For reference, here is the post that this is reminding me of: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6094589I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 825, goodmorning wrote:Note to self:
It is not polite to ask Thor to fuck off, even if you say please.
Is this actually a note to yourself, or a passive-aggressive jab at my post?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 829, Scripten wrote:In post 818, Izariael wrote:In post 714, Scripten wrote:My neighborhood is davesaz, Nero Cain, and TSO. I believe this may have already come out,but I'd like it in my ISO for people to see.
I fail to understand why you chose to include the bolded statement. It sounds like you want to intentionally include something that *could* be seen as pro-town just for the sake of appearances. I don't see why a town player would be so concerned about making surethis detailis on their ISO. As long as they can confirm that no information about the hood is being lied about, then what is it to a town player whether they or another player opened up about it?
Confirmation bias much? I said right in that post that I thought that the information was already out there. I wanted it in my iso so that when another player looks at my iso, the information is right there within my posts. You're tunneling into a molehill and making it out to be a mountain.
In post 818, Izariael wrote:
In post 805, Scripten wrote:(The alt-hater thing is not really alignment indicative, but I do have a thing against policy lynches.)
Seems somewhat contradictory to what you said here
In which you are saying you would policy lynch someone on the basis that they support policy lynches. This is like pushing for capital punishment on people who support capital punishment. Does someone else come along and policy lynch you for policy lynching someone who supports policy lynches? Where does this chain end? You're perpetuating the very thing you're trying to stop... and then now say you're against it?
You do realize that my 39 was contradictory within its own context, right?
Because it's a joke. If you read the next two posts after that, you might understand it a little better.
In post 819, Izariael wrote:
I don't actually see why a town player would specifically go out of their way to tailor their ISO to be "townier" in appearance, regardless of the details in question. It just seems like a counter-productive thing to be doing when you could be instead spending time actually, you know... looking for scum. It's like trying to coif your hair in the middle of a house fire. Like... get your priorities straight here. Survival > Appearances.
Because two sentences outweighs the rest of my posting? Okay.
Did you wind up reading 822 before posting this? I think if you had waited another few sentences to comment you would see that I've changed my mind on this.
And your post 39 said "Thor vote is serious" so I didn't really read it as a joke. I was aware that it was contradictory in and of itself, but I had taken it as a serious stance. If it was intended as a joke, then great. Haha.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Same here, I'm still catching up from my absence earlier. I suspect I will be chronically behind until Saturday due to the activity of a large...
For what it's worth, as of page 50 I still think the PeregrineV wagon is lame and should be looking for a new target to pressure. Peregrine's behavior is identical to his town play from my previous game with him, to the point where I can pretty much predict what he's gonna say before I even read his posts. Pretty strong town vibes there, so unless something changes in the remaining 13 pages he's a will-not-vote from me.
UNVOTE: Scripten
Will update my vote this weekend once fully caught up and able to contribute on a fuller scale.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 1488, Garmr wrote:We need mac in this game then we can have egg mac muffin :p
This post was magical and woke me up a bit, as I was starting to drift off in my office chair. I'm back to sleepy eyes though. My momma says it's past my bedtime so I'm being sent to bed
Currently on page 66 of reading; got like 900 bajillion open tabs of posts that interest me.
Garmr seems mildly town. Tiershift and Flubber feel town.
Peregrine vs. Thor is causing my brain to implode on itself from boredom. Both are guilty of creating equal parts intensity and apathy in this game, which is equal parts intriguing and frustrating. However, having played with town-Peregrine very recently, his posting style and the arguments he's been making fall in line with what I am expecting from town-Peregrine. Unless someone is wanting/able to show that he plays his town and scum games identically, then his behavior here has me reading him as town...
I think I need to ISO Thor once I'm caught up fully, because reading his posts right now is like listening to the teacher from Peanuts. The only thing I've managed to retain from his spiels is that he's townreading all of the people on the Pere wagon... and some comment about how the people he's townreading haven't been wagoned. Or something. Yeah, I'll probably find something later to jog my memory. It's on one of these tabs I'm sure. Bottom line is: I think he's a much better lynch than Peregrine, whom I have deemed to be a mislynch.
Aneninen looks a little suspicious. Fonz feels like scum to me.
VOTE: Thor665
@Thor: Which of your reads in 1022 are strong reads? Are all of them committed?I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 1960, Garmr wrote:In post 1955, T S O wrote:Fucking fine.
Vote: PeregrineV
If that'll get you off my fucking back, great.
How to shatter a town read by tso.
Amen.
Currently experiencing my third power outage of the day, so I'm on my phone. Using this time to catch up on reading, but posting is a lot more tedious and will have to wait.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 2572, Boonskiies wrote:Aneninen also mentioned some kind of plan to build a wagon on Iz, and he died. Someone in my neighborhood is scum.
We don't know for certain that both events are related. There weretwo deathslast night. Assuming event A (Aneninen's neighbourhood discussion) is tied to event B (his death) is a dangerous way to analyze it. There are alternate possibilities, and his death may have nothing to do with our hood's activity last night. Putting all eggs into one basket without first looking at the others is not making a safe assumption, IMHO.
Also, the fact that you didn't even read his plan enough to be able to describe it for everyone kind of shows the attentiveness you had in the hood last night. Just sayin'. Didn't really feel like you were all there. It's okay though, you can go back to read it now while I get to paraphrasing the events that transpired in our hood last night. In particular, I think you might want to look at step 2 in his plan, since you missed your opportunity to follow through on it. Shiro as well. "Terrible" things may result from that.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Also, I would like to throw out that I think the two deaths from last night offers confirmation that we are either dealing with SK or multiball. I'm aware of the possibility of vigilante, but do not think last night was the result of one. I would encourage us to proceed with this, though feel free to think otherwise.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 2608, Izariael wrote:In particular, I think you might want to look at step 2 in his plan, since you missed your opportunity to follow through on it.
Correction: you did follow through, but it came a bit late. I guess you are still on board though.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 2612, Nero Cain wrote:So Iz, did you ever follow up on your catchup where you said you found a bunch of posts interesting?
No, I didn't, but I'm not apologizing for it. I intend to keep my RL matters out of this discussion. That said, there is still time for me to do so. I have lost many of those post numbers that I had set aside, but as I re-read and ISO players during day 2 I am certain that many of those posts will jump out to me again. I think a lot of those things that I found interesting on Day 1 will be part of my day 2 reads, and other stuff may be obsolete or altered by the night 1 events and day 2 on-goings.
My end of day 1 was far less involved than I would have liked, though I don't know that a greater participation on my part could have prevented Pere's mislynch, unfortunately. I mean, I was townreading him within his first 5 posts, but I don't think I could have been convincing enough aboutwhyI was townreading him to get his wagon disbanded, because it was almost entirely meta from my last game with him.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 2616, Boonskiies wrote:@Garmr -Anen town read me by saying if anyone in our neighborhood is scum, it's most likely Iz.
Myself/Shiro/Iz/Goodmorning/Aneninen is my neighborhood.
I think you've left out a lot of context from the post you are referencing and the discussion that followed, and should NOT be using this as an answer to Garmr's question.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Boonskiies wrote:During the night Iz brought up how there is 'probably' a fourth neighborhood. He also said he is new to neighborhoods and doesn't know the ideal play in these situations. Those two don't match up. Why would you think there is probably a fourth neighborhood if you are new to them unless one of your scum partners are in it, and they told you during the night?
Okay... wow. I'm gonna leave it to goodmorning and Shino to say whether this is misrep, because I feel that it's pretty blatant misrep. I gave theexact reason(I LINKED THE POST FOR YOU) of why I thought this. If you didn't read it, then fine, but don't put words in my mouth. I never even used the word 'probably' in that entire post, nor did I hint at it. In fact, I specifically said we haveno confirmation of a fourth neighborhoodand should move forward assuming 3 until proven otherwise.
Go reread the post, please and thank you.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 2618, goodmorning wrote:
I personally think that plan was a bit of aterribleidea, but I would like to hear from you on the subject of the thing I brought up, if you don't mind.
I'm glad you brought it up, as I was planning to do so anyway. I never got a chance to touch on it before the thread lock because of Halloween stuff. That means that everyone here who isn't in our hood gets a really vague post (which you can hopefully follow soundly):
I will admit, your final post of the night left me a bit confused, as I didn't understand what was tipping you off in such a manner. Anen's post that followed it was able to shed light on it for me though, and I will say I have to agree. It looks that way because I was not properly applying my own stance to thescenario. I've been basing most of my thoughts around NOT assuming it's guaranteed. But then suddenly my comment looked as though I said WAS guaranteed. It was a disconnect of logic that unfortunately pervades pretty much everything I said about the topic last nightfullandon Day 1. To clarify, my stance is the former - NOT guaranteed. That is how I will be operating and you, Boonskiies and Shiro can hold me to that.
Having seen where you're coming from, and now understanding where my reasoning went awry, I'm now following why you took the stance you've taken since the start of Day 1. Your stance has been consistent at the very least, and I'm definitely townreading it now that I'm understanding it a bit better. On day 1 I had thought you were being a bit dodgy about it unnecessarily, but now I think you were right to do so.
You're welcome to follow through with theterribleplan, and heck, I would probably endorse it after seeing the angle you are approaching it from.
Also, I appreciate your vagueness on the matter, especially given how Boonskiies is launching out of the Day 2 gate...I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
Many of my reads from 1875 still currently stand until I voice that I've modified them. I haven't fully evaluated how the flips have changed things for me. I'm still going just from what I've seen of day one at this point until I do so.
The read on T S O that I posted back in 368 was null because of ongoing games, but since NY176 has ended with T S O as town I would say that I'm townreading T S O. I did admittedly gloss over several of his posts though, so I might be missing something indicative. I think his interaction with Csareo and later with Axle is in line with what I was seeing of his interaction with reinoe in NY176. I am interested in seeing where he chooses to go today with his top scumread dead (and flipped town)
Greyfoxxx has all but disappeared, though I did like him for town what little we saw from him, and didn't have a scumread on Csareo when he was in slot either. I am keen to see a new face in the slot though.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.-
-
Izariael Goon
- Goon
- Goon
- Posts: 534
- Joined: July 27, 2014
- Location: Narnia
In post 2631, Flubbernugget wrote:Yeaah I can see Iz as scum.
For having a vague reply to a vague question? I think goodmorning and I are on the same page of wanting to keep the details of our discussion within the neighborhood.
If there's more to it than that I'm all ears.I have the comprehensive ability of a vegetable.