NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER


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Post Post #3450 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:24 am

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In post 3447, Garmr wrote:i'm town but I really don't want to play this game and I can't be bothered hunting. SO going to let you guys if you want to mislynch me or for me to replace out.


This...This is pure AtE BS


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Post Post #3451 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:26 am

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In post 3445, Garmr wrote:I'm fine if everyone one shifts their votes on me if they promise to lynch axle after I flip town.

In post 3447, Garmr wrote:i'm town but I really don't want to play this game and I can't be bothered hunting. SO going to let you guys if you want to mislynch me or for me to replace out.

Cut the AtE crap right now. Replace out if you want to replace out but don't discuss it or threaten us with it. Just gtfo if you want to.

Answer this question now, please:
Why do you go from 'nullread but dislike his day 2 play' to 'scumread' without thor doing much inbetween?
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Post Post #3452 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:28 am

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@mod
requesting replacement
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Post Post #3453 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:32 am

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In post 3447, Garmr wrote:i'm town but I really don't want to play this game and I
can't be bothered hunting
. SO going to let you guys if you want to mislynch me or for me to replace out.


cant be bothered hunting?

You claim, you were rereading, and to have just caught 3-4 scum ? (but wont post specifics) (Thor, Boon, Axle + Scripten?)
How did you do that without bothering hunting?

So much that you want a death bed bargain to lynch the third scummiest of them?

and even though you want
Thor out first
they have to lynch me tomorrow if you get lynched today?

(the lame card left on the floor)
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Post Post #3454 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:33 am

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okay garmr replaced out we can go back to thor now.
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Post Post #3455 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:34 am

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@mod: VC?
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Post Post #3456 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:35 am

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In post 3454, TierShift wrote:okay garmr replaced out we can go back to thor now.


Are you serious ? You think garm can still be town ?
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Post Post #3457 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:37 am

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well, his thought process does make serious sense for town that is replacing out.
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Post Post #3458 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:40 am

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In post 3457, TierShift wrote:well, his thought process does make serious sense for town that is replacing out.


So you are taking a replace out as alignment indicative?
He cant be pissed that he is caught?

and he is running away without answering your questions because?

and he was forced as shit (your words) earlier because...?
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Post Post #3459 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:40 am

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In post 3457, TierShift wrote:well, his thought process does make serious sense for town that is replacing out.


How ??? He just a while ago said that he reread the game and concluded Thor is scum and then says he is bored of the game for a while now.

How does that make any sense ?
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Post Post #3460 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:48 am

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the part where he says where axle should be lynched when he flips town instead of his biggest scumreads makes sense for someone fed up with the game.

I'm not saying he is definitely town, not at all. It's just that his replace-out is okay. I'm still unsure about his thor vote.

And he seems like one of those people who enjoys drawing scum and love to manipulate up to the final moment, which is not replacing out.
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Post Post #3461 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:02 am

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Saying he is caught scum is quite an overstatement, anyway.

Let's just go for thor.
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Post Post #3462 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:05 am

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In post 3416, Slandaar wrote:
In post 3391, AxleGreaser wrote:Garmr: has before this point in the game claimed I am 85% likely to flip scum (2788)
swapped his vote onto and even stronger scum read 2941
So according to Garmr, he has found two scum and is > 85% confident both will flip scum (claims Boon > Axle == 85% scum)

The number is arbitrary it is just there to be representative of him being quite confident in each being scum.

Regarding calling your case bad instead of fabricated etc it literally means nothing. I really don't see anything in that at all; I have said my scumread's arguments/cases are bad in the past well I probably use the word terrible mostly but it's the same thing.

The wagon thing is actually really good.

:]

I didn't really 'get' what you were saying prior. Kinda read it and went ugh nothing wrong with saying that and moved on. Maybe the focus on it made me pay the extra attention... Bite sized chunks work wonders.

You have my axe good sir.

VOTE: Garmr

I will respond to all this GM stuff later...

You seem to have dropped your thor 'guardian angel' act. Why is that?
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Post Post #3463 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:08 am

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In post 3369, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 3146, TierShift wrote:
In post 3116, Nero Cain wrote:but Muffin is prob scum too. Like that whole asking Muffin for his opinion on me 'cause he wanted to understand why we had different opinions on Boons looked really forced and manufactured.

+

neither of them are following up at all.

What are you talking about here? Can you give me post numbers?

Well, in 2990 Flubber asks for opinions on me. At first I thought this a general call out and just asking everyone for their option of but according to him he was just asking Muffin but its not like that really makes it any better 'cause why would you give a shit about others opinions unless you think a slot is scum or you are doubting your read? But no, he continued to call me town so I really really don't understand why he wants an opinion on me. This aslso came across as slightly OMGUSy 'cause here I am starting to doubt Flubber as town and his next post is asking for opinions on me wich again, I don't understand why he'd want opinions on his town read.

Then in 2998 he claims that his reason for asking an opinion on me is 'cause he was interested in why Muffin and I had different reads on Boons. Well ok....but what does that have to do with anything? Does he secretly think that I'm scummy for not wanting a Boons lynch today? Maybe I missed it but why didn't he ask why Muffin was voting Boons, if Muffin had not already claimed why.

So to me it looked like a throwaway argument meant to look like he was doing something but wasn't actually doing anything. So yeah, I thought this was some forced scumbuddy interaction.

Can you explain to me what you think flubber was trying to accomplish here?

Why is it so weird to want opinions on a scumread?

Anyway your associative act falls apart now that muffin flipped town.
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Post Post #3464 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:23 am

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I love it when my scumreads pretty much out themselves. Garmr's replace out is not alignment-indicative, but that opportunistic vote on Thor is just icing on the scum-cake.

That said, I'm a little bothered by Garmr's jump onto Thor's wagon. It -definitely- does not read as a bus attempt, so Thor is either town or, at least, scum/3rd-party not aligned with scum-Garmr. (Sorry, bringing up multiball again... :P ) It makes me feel like the Thor wagon should migrate over to Garmr for today.

In post 3461, TierShift wrote:Saying he is caught scum is quite an overstatement, anyway.

Let's just go for thor.


Which makes me worry about this quote.

Tiershift, why so singleminded for the Thor wagon? I mean, I was starting to like it, but Garmr's recent actions must have been enough to get you onto his wagon. Do you really find his replacing out to be -that- alignment-indicative. I'm all for waiting for his replacement to see if miracles occur, but this makes that Thor wagon look mighty wrong to me.
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Post Post #3465 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:26 am

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In post 3462, TierShift wrote:You seem to have dropped your thor 'guardian angel' act. Why is that?

?
In post 3356, Slandaar wrote:I am very sure Thor is town. I feel like he tried so hard yesterday and fell flat with the PV flip so came into today with a more relaxed attitude and voted Shiro which was fine. He then says something about Shiro not doing anything for ages which was wrong, sure, but whatever I don't see why Thortown is more likely to check this than Thorscum as both would want to get things right for different reasons. Then we have the quantity argument which looked fine to me, Axle has shown me the way, but no-one else seems to actually understand it or the reason it is actually wrong.
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Post Post #3466 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:34 am

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In post 3464, Scripten wrote:Tiershift, why so singleminded for the Thor wagon? I mean, I was starting to like it, but Garmr's recent actions must have been enough to get you onto his wagon. Do you really find his replacing out to be -that- alignment-indicative. I'm all for waiting for his replacement to see if miracles occur, but this makes that Thor wagon look mighty wrong to me.

A thor vote with a nullread and then asking to kill someone he's not voting looks more plausible from someone fed up with the game than from scum.

Note that they're not mutually exclusive, he can be fed up scum.

But it looks a tad more like fed up town.
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Post Post #3467 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:34 am

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Nvm slander
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Post Post #3468 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:35 am

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@Slandaar: At the end of the 2nd quote, which "it" is actually wrong?
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Post Post #3469 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:42 am

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I disagree with town reading garmr's replace out.
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Post Post #3470 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:43 am

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Dave that's all you have is a request for clarification post
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Post Post #3471 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:44 am

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In post 3461, TierShift wrote:Let's just go for thor.


As explained just before Garmr swapped to thor and created a kerfuffle.

I have serious problems with GoodMornign's Thor case.

They start at .
In post 3381, AxleGreaser wrote:@Goodmorning
[...]
on D1 you claimed it was all tone and feels and
refused
to provide details.
I believe on D2 all of sudden you have started being able to provide details based on D1 posts.

The D1 lynch mislynched one townie who was being wagoned against another(Anen)
and you rather conveniently were not pushing your wagon with reason so it didnt go anywhere.

Now on D2, all of sudden you have reasons?

I call BS, explain your case
explain why on D2 it has details and on D1, you didnt have any


He replied
I responded to him,..

he again misrepresented my posts, severly and played the.... Oh I am so fed up card.
In post 3415, AxleGreaser wrote:I've decided that, for the sake of my sanity, [....] postEither way, I can't be bothered.

I can only imagine making up lies/misreps about what people said and did is tiring.

Problems with GMS read/case in nutshell


On D1 no case, just some feel/tone read BS.
On D2 all of sudden rereading Thor, lets him see all sorts of stuff such as no firm stances according to GM
(Gms own filter for comparison is full of non statements and aclear reluctance to provide actual reasons related to the thread for his reads)
GM is accusing Thor of being scum for doing what GM has done in spades in this game.
In this post i went through and evaluated if GMs claim to have posted substantive stuff on those people (
Csareo
,
TSO
, dave) is true, its crap.

but even if he had, if he was town the person he should have already thoroughly re read on D1 was his top
scum
red Thor.

That he claims on D1 to only have tone reads yet goes back on D2 and finds all this other scummy stuff, is total BS.
He was also very reluctant to give specifics even when asked this pointedly .

One of the best reasons not to Lynch Thor is GM wants to, for terrible implausibly derived reasons.
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Post Post #3472 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:45 am

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In post 3468, davesaz wrote:@Slandaar: At the end of the 2nd quote, which "it" is actually wrong?

It's the way the mentions were brought up which is why it's wrong. It's not the number of them because Shiro clearly did talk more about Anen than PV as I demonstrated.
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Post Post #3473 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:46 am

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Dave is still scum guys.
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Post Post #3474 (ISO) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:59 am

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In post 3410, Izariael wrote:If your statements were talking about the
total number of words used when listing thoughts about Pere and Anen
, then
this
was the time to clarify it. Not DAYS later.

It never occured to me that when I said "he mentioned one more than the other" I needed to say; "He mentioned one more than the other - and by this I don't mean the number of times you can ctrl+f his name in the iso, but rather just, when tallking, he spent more time and words talking about one than the other"

Honestly - I can't even figure out why you lackwits find this scummy.
It literally boggles the mind.
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