The MafiaScum Minecraft Thread - AllTheMods 9!!! - NEW Vanilla?

[Rob14]

Question: How do I get white-listed to enter this server?

[Rob14]

Rob13_

Will badly need assistance in not sucking...I'm used to the Xbox version and looking to transition over since I've heard the 360 version is super watered down.

[Rob14]

Yeah. I know one major difference is on the 360 I don't need to know how to place things in the crafting box. That is something I expect to annoy the shit out of me. I've also heard there's more content, though, so it's worth it I suppose.

[Rob14]

It's pretty big to be fair.

http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_Update

It's a big update, but a lot of it doesn't have to do with world generation. There will be a new ore in the Nether (maybe regen the Nether only? is that even possible?) and that's about it as far as changes that wouldn't be available without regenerating at least part of the world.

[Rob14]

Username changes would be a good feature, but they should charge $5-10 so people don't do them every other day.

[Rob14]

for more-passionate players, starting fresh is a new adventure, and thats p much the whole reason. The game has lost its challenge.

If that's the main goal, why not just walk off into the woods with nothing and start over? Take a boat to a far away island and you've achieved your goal.

[Rob14]

The reason I wanted a regen is just for the new update ...

This is why I would be firmly in support of regening unused chunks in the Nether at the very least so that we can take full advantage of the new update.

I would also probably be in support of a full regen at a major update to world generation. I just don't see a compelling need to do it right now. If you want to start over, take a pit of lava and throw all your stuff into it. Burn down your house. Or simply TP away and set your home at a different place, if your house is at an absurdly far away location. You can remove the "cookie jar" without a full regen of the server. It just takes a little more effort.

[Rob14]

Someone took out a block in the endfarm in the hall to the room with the enchantment table. Fell to death, lost my first diamond stuff.

[Rob14]

The second was given to me, but I'll move my stuff out of their. I research-spammed last night and I'm building a tower around an Aura Node out of Warded Stone. Anybody who wants to visit is welcome - it's just past the Volcano and the Greatwood tree...in some direction from spawn...I'll post coords.

I know none of the words you just used.

[Rob14]

Does anyone know where there is an NPC village on the normal MS server?

[Rob14]

Thanks.

[Rob14]

If you kill an Iron Golem, be sure to plant it's rose in the rose garden in the center of the town.

Nah, I just want to see if I can take advantage of the arbitrage that is possible with the absurd 1:1 ratio of selling written books for emeralds to a librarian. No golem slaying for me today.

[Rob14]

Come back to us normal folk on the regular server!

[Rob14]

Whitelist on the FTB server please. Rob13_

[Rob14]

Just installed FTB and logged into the modded server for the first time.

[Rob14]

Just installed FTB and logged into the modded server for the first time.

Want to join our twilight forest club and forsake the over world?

Sure, if you teach me how the fuck this new shit works.

[Rob14]

The Tower people has a new pet now. Its name is Bumblebee.

Incorrect. It's actual name is BumbleBob.

[Rob14]

Can we get a map for the modded server like the below one?

http://mafiascum.maruchanserver.com:8321/

EDIT:

Also,

JOIN US MIST!

[Rob14]

I use it mostly to get the current player list on the server, tbh. I like to see who's on to see if it's worth getting on. I don't like playing by myself. As long as it has a player list, the map can look like anything for all I care. If there's an easier way to see the player list that I don't know about, then just direct me there.

[Rob14]

@maru - in the future, please give us like 5 mins notice before you close server for an update. We were in the middle of using turtles among other things, and all those automated programs will be stopped automatically because the server shut off .5 sec after you announced it.

[Rob14]

Being completely honest, if I were asked what chunks I wanted brought with me on a partial regen, I would list basically everything I've ever touched. I think it would be just as easy and much less complicated to only regen unused chunks if a partial regen is the route that is decided upon.

[Rob14]

Dude, a multiworld maze would be amazing.

For the record...

Overworld
Nether
End
Twilight Forest

We have four worlds once we eventually kill the Enderdragon in the modded server.

[Rob14]

^

FINE

[Rob14]

List of gregtech items may be useful, especially since everything just kind of blurs together when you're playing.

Would you consider it to be fair that the Mod which allows for the use of those machines forces most of IndustrialCraft (which most people do know) to be worthless/unattainable?

No, and if there's really no other way to do it then I support it being removed. I just hoped we could do more to make it work first.

I don't know much about IndustrialCraft and GregTech, but based on the discussions that have taken place and what I've read about the add-on on the interwebs, in order to make this work, we'd be essentially re-writing GregTech completely to change a lot of stuff back to how it was in the vanilla IndustrialCraft. We might as well write our own mod to IndustrialCraft if we're going to put in so much work to keep the few features of GregTech that people actually enjoy and change the majority of GregTech's changes back to the way it was. Not worth it, in my opinion.

[Rob14]

What adventure maps would you folks recommend for someone looking for something good to play?

[Rob14]

I'd say regen it and host an official Enderdragon run once a month. Let whoever goes on the run have first pickings of all the resources there. If you miss the run, then you can see if anything is left over on the island, barter with the people that went on the run, or wait for the next one.

Spawning in what people need should be avoided at all costs, in my opinion. It's a slippery slope.

[Rob14]

Too short or too long?

[Rob14]

Well, the problem is that whoever is available for the dragon run will be instantly rich because they'll have non-renewable ores that have been completely mined out until the next run. That means that if you're unavailable on a Saturday, typically (or even just the one Saturday when a run is being done) you'll not have another chance to get this ore for a whole cycle. If you make the cycle 2 months, that means that people could go a full 4 months without this ore if they are unavailable on one day. I think we should have it monthly to give everyone a chance to go on the run. Bi-weekly runs are too frequent, I agree, but monthly is fine.

[Rob14]

I'm happy to try monthly and see how it works out if Maruchan and Maestro are ok with it. I was considering making an enderfarm on the FTB server, but really the soul cages make it pointless.

Is it possible to do an endfarm and just leave the endfarm out of the regen? We'd probably have to rebuild a small part of a walkway to it each time we regen'd, but we'd have an endfarm. Alternatively, it could be jetpack-accessible only after the first regen and we could just not bother with a full walkway.

[Rob14]

It says I'm not white-listed. Something up?

My MC nick is the same as <-- this one.

Which server?

The one in the OP?

There are two. The vanilla server and the modded one.

[Rob14]

^Do you want in for the regular server, the modded FTB one, or both?

[Rob14]

Did you actually do that, dav? Do we still have a portal gun?

[Rob14]

Sorry, been busy. Didn't realize I had logged with the mining stuff - I'll put it back now.

[Rob14]

Has anyone proposed NOT bringing any items or crap over with us to a DW20 server? Personally, I think we should start over entirely if we're going to change modpacks.

[Rob14]

(inb4 everyone yells at me)

[Rob14]

Oh, ok. I've been reading parts of the conversation and skipping others because I keep coming to the thread to see like 4 new pages of posts.

If we do an identical starting kit, then I propose Boots of Traveler, a Pocket Crafting Table, a fully fueled Electric Jetpack, and a diamond pickaxe. From there, you can gather everything else. I'd still vastly prefer starting fresh, though.

[Rob14]

take a hotbar's worth of your current amassed wealth with you.

This should be a definite no, in my opinion.

[Rob14]

Why is no one on either server? I'm booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooored.

[Rob14]

I still have a few days before I start college again, and in the meantime I've run out of things to do on break. Woe is me.

[Rob14]

Also, new seed. Don't use the same seed when creating the new mod server

[Rob14]

Sounds good.

[Rob14]

I'm fine with the seed and quite like it actually.

I like it too, but exploration is one of my favorite parts of Minecraft. I'd love to have a new world to explore.

Also, if you could find a seed in DW that spawns us in an extreme hills biome, I will give you free cake.

[Rob14]

Ok, how about this. Slightly tweaked from what I sent you and Maru earlier.

Vanilla - 1 Stone Sword, 1 Stone Pickaxe, 1 Stone Shovel, 1 Stone Axe, 8 Bread

Absolutely.

CompactSolars - 1 LV Solar Array

Nope. This isn't early game stuff.

EnderStorage - Ender Chest (all white)

Nope. This isn't early game stuff.

IC2 - 1 Treetap, 8 Sticky Resin, 1 CF Sprayer, 64 CF Pellets (seriously, you guys will not believe how much fun those are...)

I don't know what these are, but I'm guessing you should only be giving the earliest item, meaning probably the treetap. Giving some of the product of that item takes out the work involved in using it and the part where people have to figure out the mod.

Iron Chests - 1 Diamond Chest

This is pushing it, in my opinion, but I would say this is fine.

Mystcraft - 1 Notebook (empty), 1 Descriptive Book (empty, unused)

Definitely not. Mystcraft will lag the server to a degree because it creates new realms. If people want to use it, that should be encouraged because it's cool as shit, but you shouldn't do the grunt-work for them. You have to make it at least a LITTLE difficult to get into this mod so that everyone doesn't just run around creating realms and then quit the server, leaving us with lag.

OmniTools - 1 OmniWrench, 1 Forge Lexicon (both for convenience and satisfaction of OCD)

Don't know enough about this mod to comment, but I would default to no.

Soul Shards - 1 Soul Cage

This works.

Thaumcraft3 - 2 Tables, 1 Scribing Tools

Yes, because of how easy these are to make and how it will encourage people to check out Thaumcraft. I would even add the first wand, probably.

Twilight Forest - 6 Roses, 6 Flowers, 2 Water Buckets, 1 Diamond

Absolutely ABSOLUTELY not. Seriously, what is this nonsense? You're GIVING people roses and flowers? They can go collect that shit themselves! We should make a solitary TF portal at spawn and then you can go find the materials if you want to build another. You should still have to work for stuff in the new server...

Bolded above are my thoughts on each component.

Like I said: it's optional. There will be an option to start playing without a starter kit.

But whatever, a twilight portal isn't expensive anyway. We can knock it off the list.

This does not address the concerns that starting with a starter kit causes problems by eliminating the early game. All this means is that the people who elect to actually play the game as intended will be left gathering stuff while watching others do really cool things. They'll always be a step behind.

Frankly, as it stands, I would not come over to the new server with this starter kit, most likely.

[Rob14]

Here's my opinion as far as what's desirable goes.

1st: Starter kit with stone tools and food
2nd: Completely fresh
3rd: Hotbar of 2-3 items IF restrictions are in place to prevent any advanced items from being brought through (no jetpacks, no solar helmets, no quantam crap, etc. - nothing that would take you longer than 3 hours of playing from the complete start to reach, in my opinion)
4th: Starter kit with relatively advanced stuff from all mods
5th: Hotbar with no restrictions

If the 4th or 5th option happen, I'm extremely unlikely to play on the new server. I'll probably stick with the vanilla server or join a new one entirely.

[Rob14]

This looks fair to me. Input on if there is anything YOU think I am missing/you think should be removed. (the goggles I added due to M's previous insistence that everyone needs them)

Full Leather Armor Set, Bow/Arrows, Sword, Iron Tools, Map, Compass, Food, Torches, Chest, Crafting Table, Stove, Bed, Boat (in case someone wants to go far-off and runs into an ocean) are all for Vanilla.

Wand of Apprentice and Goggles of Revealing for ThaumCraft.
TreeTap (w/ or w/o 1 rubber tree sapling?) and Cactus are for IC/BC, for their respective forms of item/power/liquid traveling (pipes/cables)
EMPTY Notebook is for MystCraft (it collects symbols from your Ages as you create them so you can customize ages with the resulting index of symbols. It requires another mod-item to work. A Writing Desk or something like that, you place the notebook and the Age Book in the desk together and the notebook transcribes your age's symbols.)

Take out the map because it's not entirely necessary with Rei's Minimap. Get rid of the Goggles of Revealing because they're an item that has to be researched in TC3. Possibly add in their place a writing table and like 5 sheets of paper so people can get right into researching and then making the goggles for themselves.

^ I would give my seal of approval to that Starter Kit with the above changes.

[Rob14]

Also get rid of the compass for the same reason as the map.

[Rob14]

Compasses are nice. <_<

What do you need one for when you have a mini-map that shows you which way you're pointing?

[Rob14]

WITHOUT TELLING ME YOU WERE SWITCHING IT TYVM

ALSO STOP BEING AFK I NEED CREATIVE

[Rob14]

How about something like this then? Everything else seems unnecessary, since we're going to spend a good amount of time gathering resources at the beginning anyway.

Take off stone, add iron shovel. Stone is easier to get yourself than an iron shovel, imo.

Either way I like this better than Maru's stuff.

[Rob14]

Eh, that's easy enough to make punch a tree twice and you've got all the ingredients, and that's made easy with the axe.

[Rob14]

I spent a little time on the nilla server yesterday for the first time in a while. Only had time to gather some resources for what I'm planning on doing, but I noticed when I was chopping trees at the tree farm is spawn town there was a lot more lag than I remember, especially for me being the only one on at the time. Is there any way to make that go away?

Check your graphics settings there was no lag when I was last on (yesterday).

[Rob14]

We need to decide on something for the FTB server ASAP and switch it over so I can play it again. kthxbye

Also, proposal: On the new FTB server, OPs do not give out any items as part of a contest/game/whatever or anything like that. I think it majorly devalued the gaming experience last go around - people got items that they didn't earn by playing through the game (myself included).

EDIT: Of course you could give out items as a contest/game/whatever if you actually made them yourself and wanted to do it out of the goodness of your heart - just no spawning in shit.

[Rob14]

Is it that the items we handed out were useful in some way rather than decorative unobtainables like Cracked Stone and Cobwebs?

Yes and no.

Yes, decorative items being given out are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than items of immense usefulness being given out.

No, you shouldn't really give out decorative items either if they have to be spawned in. If you want to hold a contest, it should mean something. It should mean that you worked to collect the prize. Isn't that so much more rewarding? Also, spawning in even a single item and giving it out equals immense begging on the server.

For an example, me and Klaz got a portal gun after completing a Portal-based challenge (turrets and shit). Portal guns are pretty hard to make. They're incredibly useful. We put in maybe 10 minutes of work to get an end-game item. That takes the challenge out of the game.

Also, within a day or two, many people were begging for their own or for nether stars to make one. This attitude spread as the server went on and more stuff was given out. It's not a positive thing, in my opinion. People shouldn't even think it's remotely okay to beg an OP for a hard-to-obtain item. They should immediately be thinking that they should get to work earning it themselves.

[Rob14]

Oh, we have a new server.

Too bad I get to have no life now. Fucking college.

[Rob14]

What happened to the server?

[Rob14]

May have crashed the server...

[Rob14]

i think the upgrade hasn't happened yet

[Rob14]

M, can you reboot the server?

[Rob14]

Umm...did it crash again?

[Rob14]

Turtles look extremely awesome, but with a high possibility of lagging a server to death with bad scripts.

In reality, that doesn't happen. Running the scripts doesn't take up a lot of CPU. You would need to have an absurdly large number of turtles running some type of infinite loop script in order to make any type of noticeable lag. You'd also need a chunk-loader to keep them active (unless you planned on staying logged in near them to purposefully lag the server).

[Rob14]

YOU DID IT WRONG MARU

You don't do it like this:

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

You do it like this:

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiplication/Division
Addition/Subtraction

The multiplication and division is one step, as is the addition/subtraction. So 5/5*3 is 3, not 1/3.

[Rob14]

WHEN THE ELEMENTARY-LEVEL EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM FAILED, THAT'S WHEN

[Rob14]

M, I think there's a better way to do that than weekly PMs. Create a Google Drive spreadsheet with three columns: "Username in MC", "Age 1", "Age 2"

If the number of an age isn't in the spreadsheet, it's subject to deletion at any time. Whenever you change active ages, you must update the spreadsheet immediately to ensure they aren't deleted.

This would prevent you from having to sift through dozens of PMs weekly. You just click a bookmark and Ctrl+F any age numbers you think can be deleted to see if someone wants them kept.

[Rob14]

Hey, I went to the Nether and got stuck (i.e. client crashes whenever I start)

Can you edit my player file and remove me to the OW?

[Rob14]

M, i'm going to be logging on repeatedly. try to TP me out

I do not want to lose what's in my inv, maru. I have some nice stuff.

[Rob14]

Did you have it in the spreadsheet?

[Rob14]

Read the last few pages of the thread. All ages not listed next to your name on the spreadsheet are subject to random deletion to keep the server lag-free.

[Rob14]

It's actually a somewhat elegant system because it doesn't leave room for people to keep >2 ages open at a time and just bank on the admins informing them before deletion. You're stuck with two. If you want to make more than that, go ahead - there's nothing we can really do to stop you making them. But have fun when they're deleted out from under your feet (literally, in your case - lol).

[Rob14]

Well the void technically starts at y=-1. That's where you can no longer place blocks. But you can quite happily fly around below there until you get to y=-64, where you start taking damage at a rate of 2 hearts every 0.5 seconds, ignoring all armor, enchantments, and even gamemode.

OMG OMG OMG

Make a section where you give them a single jetpack with limited fuel/energy. They have to fly below y=0 over a stretch of land within the "time limit" before their jetpack runs out.

[Rob14]

OK.

I'll be very impressed if anybody completes it

SO IMPRESSED

Im gonna be giving a full set of Quantum Armor to whoever completes it first.

the people after that, i dunno. There will still be a prize but of what kind im not sure.

im giving myself a two-week deadline to complete the gauntlet.

No payment to play, you can do the gauntlet while im offline, and it'll be epic.

since public age its a public thing admins can OP in some prizes

Bah.

OPing in things devalues not only the effort Klaz put into the Gauntlet but also the value of the items being OP'd in as well as all the items that go into obtaining them. It significantly damages and alters the Minecraft economy, in my opinion.

It also makes everyone whine about "Why can't I have X item if it was OP'd in?" which is annoying as fuck.

[Rob14]

Pretty much what Rob said, though I think there are exceptions; for example, when Claus added Chiselled Stone Bricks as a prize for my maze on the vanilla server, they were unobtainable and purely decorative. I don't have a problem with that so long as the quantities are kept sensible.

(also obviously we should Op in Ultimate Solar Helms if someone can provide a QSuit Helm, HV Solar Array, 2 advanced circuits, an HV transformer and 2 superconductors - normally it requires an Ultimate Hybrid Solar panel, but the HV Solar Array is the closest equivalent in this modpack)

I agree with the second exception because it's correcting a weakness in the modpack.

I somewhat agree with the first. First, I want to note that it is important the blocks are unobtainable normally. If you can't normally obtain the blocks (such as the chiselled stone bricks or the ultimate solar helm) then there should be some method of getting them spawned in. However, I feel that it's important that they aren't spawned in for FREE because they're unobtainable. I think in the scenario you described, OPs should require the person running a contest or w/e to "pay" for the blocks (whatever the OPs deem fair - kind of like they're doing for the ultimate solar helm for instance) and then lava the payment. That way you still have to obtain the blocks yourself more-or-less; the OPs just facilitate the obtainment of the blocks because they're normally unobtainable.

[Rob14]

I don't think they should be. Why should the prize be exclusive to the course?

On the other hand, I think the price of all unobtainable blocks should be relatively high so that they remain relatively difficult to obtain.

For example, I would say the price of a stack of chiseled stone bricks could be a full barrel of stone (not cobble - stone) and a full barrel of bricks.

[Rob14]

Chiselled stone bricks are obtainable now, so we won't be giving any out. But in principle that's 1 stone for 1 unobtainable block, which is way too cheap.

lolno

It's a stack of stone and a stack of brick for a single unobtainable decorative block.

[Rob14]

Why can't we fight Withers in the OW?

[Rob14]

Have you tried deleting your minecraft.jar and your copy of FTB entirely and redownloading both?

[Rob14]

as in totally blown up

wut

[Rob14]

If this were to happen on a server I actively played (the FTB server), then I would quit - hands down. OPs griefing and considering it fine by way of their status on the server is not cool.

[Rob14]

BUYING COPPER IN THE FTB SERVER

PM to work out a deal.

[Rob14]

how do you access the IRC?

[Rob14]

Can we get a tl;dr in understandable language of all future Corin/Maru interactions? Thanks.

[Rob14]

a pouch that can absob up to a few thousands of a single item type.

I'm going mining for a month when this update launches. See you guys later.

Can we all agree that we will be insta-updating to the next version when it comes out?

[Rob14]

I want to know right now who was in my house and messed with my electrical wiring. You cost me millions of EU and over half a stack of UU Matter. I want that repaid to me.

EDIT: And you disconnected my mass fabricator altogether. What the fuck is wrong with whoever did this?

EDITx2: Detective Rob has found the culprit. There was coal dust in my macerator, and I know only one person who currently needs large quantities of coal dust and doesn't have a macerator. Why you mess with my stuff Mist?

[Rob14]

4) Yes. Just switch to your normal Minecraft install rather than using the FTB Launcher - although you CAN, however, login to the Vanilla Server using the FTB Launcher and the Modpacked installation, when you go on the Vanilla server, it'll obviously not use any of the Mods except for anything not related to game content. (e.g. the Rei's Minimap Mod still works)

That's cool. Does NEI still work too?

[Rob14]

Somehow I got to a glitchy part of the wither area and can't load my client...try to teleport me out if possible

[Rob14]

Klaz/others who use the IIRC: How do I use the IIRC?

[Rob14]

Is there anyway for Maru or someone with access to files on the server to change the location I am in the game to spawntown (or even the spawn of the wither age)? I'm currently entirely unable to get onto the server.

[Rob14]

-sets up an enderchest on every frequency pumping into sorting systems to take ALL the items-

[Rob14]

More important question: How expensive is it to build the Iron Man suit in DW20? If we have a tesseract, then I need to assemble the Avengers to protect it from evil.

[Rob14]

Was playing an awesome game and doing really well. Server limit reached - I get kicked. Lovely.

[Rob14]

FUCK THE JUNGLE MAP. AND THIS IS SO FUN.

I'M ON RIGHT NOW DAV

COME TO THE HUB

[Rob14]

I already ran that maru.

Also, I got off dav. Getting back on now.

I also donated (at $10, though)

[Rob14]

Referrals basically give you donation levels.

[Rob14]

STEAL THE REACTOR. FUCK THE POLICE.

[Rob14]

Can you pastebin the error log? I'll take a look and see if it was the same problem as mine, M.

[Rob14]

@Klaz - The mod that's causing the crash is a client-side mod called InvTweaks. It's basically the mod that allows sorting and automatically places a new tool in your hand if the old one breaks, etc. You need to disable this mod in the FTB launcher in order to get it to work. Since the mod is totally client-side, it being disabled will not at all affect your ability to connect to the server.

I imagine they will release a 5.1.1 fix for this since many people are having this problem, although not all.

[Rob14]

IRC is up and 5.1.1 is out. You CANNOT use 5.1.1 with the 5.1.0 server because it updated Steve's Carts, which is not a client-side only mod. Don't waste your time.

@M - Simple fix. Uninstall launcher and redownload and install. What could possibly go wrong?

[Rob14]

OMG Egypt is gone?

I'm homeless.

[Rob14]

I was going to. You said you were giving me a book to get there.

[Rob14]

When Arabia is set up, let me know.

EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION: Arabia is the new Egypt.

[Rob14]

....I got a full quantum suit!
Also, I'm currently producing around a stack of UUM in a 24 hour period...Now I just need a stack of Iridium, and I'll be good.

Just got my GravSuit. You've just been 1-up'd dav.

In other news, I'm working on an HV Solar Panel. Holy resources, Batman. I'm going to be mining literally forever.

[Rob14]

Now look up a HV Solar Panel (recipe name: High Voltage Solar Array, i think)

[Rob14]

LV = 8 Solars + LV Transformer
MV = 8 LV + MV Transformer = 64 Solars + 8 LV Transformers + MV Transformer
HV = 8 MV + HV Transformer = 512 Solars + 64 LV Transformers + 8 MV Transformers + HV Transformer

P-edit: FUCK YOU IZAK. I JUST DID ALL THE MATH.

[Rob14]

Check dynmap for plains/meadows. When you find one, use "Surface" to check for mountains. Boom.

[Rob14]

Perfectly lag free the majority of the time for me.

Run a speedtest.net on your computer and post it, Blake.

EDIT: On this connection, nothing can lag.

[Rob14]

I think I found the reason for your lag.

[Rob14]

ATTENTION:

The ender-chest code White-White-Purple is in use as part of a recycling operation. If your items are placed into that code of ender-chest, then they will (eventually) disappear into a diamond chest that is pumped into a recycler. Your item will be destroyed, and may or may not yield one scrap. I cannot replace items lost in this way. I will, however, give you one scrap as compensation.

[Rob14]

TIL we apparently have better average internet speeds than the US.

LOL

You didn't know that? The US is horribly behind in internet speeds. Luckily, Google is our savior.

Click here for more.

[Rob14]

Meanwhile, somewhere, Verizon and Time Warner executives weep at their impending doom.

[Rob14]

No they won't.

Google is losing money on this, but that's acceptable because of the long-term gain. Their goal is to force ISPs to modernize their service to keep up with Google's competition. This will make the internet easier and faster to use, meaning more searches on Google's search engine and more views on YouTube (which Google owns). The end goal is to force ISPs to develop the underlying infrastructure that will allow Google to achieve greater success through their main products in the future and even introduce newer products (super-HD videos online, etc) that they can make profits off of. The last thing Google wants to do is offer free low-speed internet to everyone. They actually want to force ISPs to charge for high quality internet that increases their revenue indirectly.

[Rob14]

Did I ever suggest that? Of course not. I offered two of their products as examples.

The biggest part of their business is, of course, their ad delivery stuff.

[Rob14]

Throw up a chunk loader in the quarry age, klaz. You can use up to two per person, so...

Also: I would like to submit a request/complaint regarding the recent mad deletion of ages. I understand that age proliferation is a serious server problem that needs a solution, and deleting those worlds is the solution. But the current system is NOT working. Ages that are supposed to be preserved (i.e. on the spreadsheet) are being deleted. This happened to Egypt. That was a serious problem that almost lost us a long-time member of the server, who also happens to be awesome (<3). It also just happened to M's new age, so clearly no lessons were learned from the Egypt fiasco.

I would like to request that a single person is responsible for age deletion. I greatly prefer this person to be M, personally, since he was affected both times in these age deletes and so is most likely to take his time going over the ages to be deleted, as he knows the consequences of having a fast trigger finger on age deletion.

Further, I think additional precautions must be taken when ages are deleted. I think that once a week, the person responsible for age deletion (M?) should post up all ages currently slated for deletion in the public forum. Users should then be given 48 hours to "claim" an age. If they already have two ages in the spreadsheet, they must choose one to be deleted so the new one can be added. This will prevent issues where people's ages are deleted randomly because they forget about the spreadsheet or something is overlooked (such as Egypt and M's ages).

I understand fully that this is Maru's server and it is not a community server, but I still think that this should be taken into major consideration as it's become abundantly clear that the age deletion system we have now simply does not work. It's about as broken as the US government.

[Rob14]

I'd think if you were loading the same chunks with both, it wouldn't matter. As long as they don't double-load. Check with an admin, but I don't see what the problem would be if you limited the chunk loader to the chunks that the quarry was already loading.

[Rob14]

EDIT:

Actually never mind. I think i don't want to play mine craft, so just don't bother.

Maru, just pm me with how much you want me to pay for this month, then close my servers.

Klaz almost quit the server over the error that was made. That is why this is a big deal.

I hadn't realized until I dug into the ISOs for the above post that M was the one to accidentally delete Egypt, so I adjust my preferred choice of "official age deletion guru" to izak. I really don't care who handles it though, to be honest. I just want all that particular power centralized in one person. It will allow one person to get really good at handling age deletion and it will also encourage them to spend time on it, since it is their sole responsibility.

[Rob14]

Users should then be given 48 hours to "claim" an age. If they already have two ages in the spreadsheet, they must choose one to be deleted so the new one can be added. This will prevent issues where people's ages are deleted randomly because they forget about the spreadsheet or something is overlooked

it also allows for people to run 3 or 4 ages at a time for a period of a week with a 48 hour warning before their extras are deleted.

This is not a concern considering that all new ages being created now need permission from an admin. Admins would deny permission if you were making ages like crazy or trying to use 3-4 active ages. Also, of course, if anyone abuses this rule than you give them a temp-ban from Mystcraft with the new admin tools for that mod in order to encourage them to follow the rules when they get access back.

And I understand that the admins are almost always following appropriate common-sense procedures when deleting ages, and I'm glad that we've developed the spreadsheet and put a lot of these procedures in place to streamline age deletion. Mistakes are still happening though. I know you're deleting ages often, Maru, and I appreciate your efforts in doing so. But the people who lose impressive builds or setups in ages they've spent a lot of time in aren't going to remember the 1000 ages you deleted correctly. They're going to remember the 1 age you deleted accidentally.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming anyone or trying to state that anyone isn't performing due diligence in their admin duties. You, M, and Izak all do a great job. I'm just saying human error happens. Publishing the ages to be deleted 48 hours before deletion helps correct for human error as much as possible because it puts another several sets of eyes on your work and guarantees no mistakes will slip through the cracks.

I'll rescind my suggestion for a single person to process all age deletions. I still think it would be easier to manage, less likely to produce mistakes, and a better system as a whole, but I'd rather focus on the more important issue, which I believe is ensuring that people have a chance to double-check that age deletions are correct before they're processed.

[Rob14]

You don't have to get input from everyone in-thread, though. People who want to guarantee the safety of their ages can double-check. People who don't want to or don't have ages don't even have to pop their heads in. Either way, if an age that someone wanted gets deleted, you can point to the thread and say they didn't respond within 48 hours. What do you lose from tacking on the extra step of posting the list in-thread before deletion? It adds transparency and decreases the potential for future errors.

[Rob14]

My end goal is just to make sure things like this don't keep happening. If I were in Klaz's shoes when Egypt imploded, I would have found a new server. I don't want anyone to lose the things they've spent time on due to human error. It's not fair.

If you can come up with any type of system behind the scenes that you think will decrease error better or the same as what I'm proposing or you have something that's more convenient for you, go for it. One idea that just popped into my head is having two admins approve an age deletion before it takes place (i.e. you share a Google Doc - when an admin wants an age deleted, he puts the number into the Google Doc and another one does the deleting after double-checking against the spreadsheet). Another idea is to keep a copy of age files that are being deleted somewhere so they could be restored somehow (I do not know how running a server works, so this might not be possible - you guys will know if I'm talking crazy, I'm sure).

I'm just looking for some additional fail-safe to be in place...just in case.

[Rob14]

How often does the server create an automatic back-up, out of curiosity?

[Rob14]

Making podcast. Get on IRC.

[Rob14]

yea, i dun goofed. it's all fixed now

[Rob14]

For a few heads. Not even anything good.

[Rob14]

use the IP instead: 46.105.234.0

DNS is down.

[Rob14]

So apparently according to Corin, we may have lost the FTB files. They corrupted, apparently.

So fuck.

[Rob14]

So apparently according to Corin, we may have lost the FTB files. They corrupted, apparently.

So fuck.

Oh, right, this thing. STFU and calm down till we hear or see something definite. I'll talk to him about it but if anybody leaves after this so be it. No need to be all histrionic before we even know anything for sure.

I didn't post until Corin gave me a definite "It's gone."

It's gone.

[Rob14]

One other decision we have to make as a server, before we make the decision regarding how to rebuild, is whether or not to continue playing on the FTB server we have now. There are other options out there, chiefly the option to create (and pay for) a MS community-run FTB server. That will cost quite a bit, probably, but it is an option. We have to start over either way. We have to decide if it's with or without Maru and Corin running things from the clouds.

[Rob14]

Why on earth should we have discussion in a QT that many people won't see/read and not in the thread for discussion of the MS servers?

[Rob14]

I will not play in a server where I'm starting from scratch. I refuse to rebuild my basic machines, coke ovens, and all that. I invested 100+ hours of play time in the last server. I'm not going to do that again all while expecting the server to fail again in the future. Not happening.

[Rob14]

I know you don't expect it to fail again, Maru. I understand that. But did you expect it to fail this time either? How about when we had to roll-back less than a week ago? None of this is expected. I'm not even sure if any of this could have been prevented. All I know is that this server has had problems and they've occurred with greater frequency than on any other server I've ever been a part of.

Do I really have an option to just choose another server? Not if I want to stay in this community. In my ideal world, we'd have a community FTB server rather than playing on Maru's private playground because I think there's a pretty significant issue when a single person is claiming that, despite Minecraft literally being a game built around a community and the entire community coming from MS, that this is not a community server and if you don't like that you can leave. But those issues aren't going to be addressed. I've already come to peace with that.

Now, all I want is my shit back and to forget that this ever happened. If I don't get my shit back, I won't be playing. I'm NOT going to start over punching trees again after 100+ hours of play time. No fucking way. It's that simple.

[Rob14]

Dav pretty much said what I'm thinking, but more eloquently.

[Rob14]

It isn't a hand out or creative mode rubbish to give people back everything they've worked for over the past month. It's the bare minimum.

[Rob14]

I'm radically against using that mod.

[Rob14]

The problem with that, Claus, is that there's literally no point in doing anything on-server if it all gets washed away with a fair amount of regularity. If this is the attitude towards starting over, why not have regular server resets once a month? Because right now, that's essentially what we've been doing. Hell, it seems people have to start over more often than that.

I mean, I've been reaching towards trying to get some end-game items recently, but I will never be able to accomplish anything like that because it seems every time I'm close, I lose absolutely everything.

Idk - I have another server lined up that I've started playing on during the down time. I think I'm going to be playing over there for a while at least.

[Rob14]

Maru, it is with regularity when you add in age deletions causing people to restart and all the other nonsense. ISO UA and use Ctrl+F for "you guys" then read the posts right before he posted that. Amazing amount of BS went down in the past month.

[Rob14]

Those who need to learn Lua.

Go to http://www.codecademy.com

Do the stuff there to learn the basics of Javascript. This will teach you how a programming language functions and the basics of how to code. Then, when you want to learn Lua, all you have to learn is the differences in syntax, which are incredibly easy to pick up.

Here are some things you definitely should know how to do in Javascript from Codecademy before talking to someone who knows Lua about learning that language:
How to declare variables
How to declare and call functions
How to create a while loop
How to create an if/else statement (including if, else if, and else)

You can probably learn all that in like 2 hours on Codecademy. Their tutorials are really good. After you're done with that, talk to Klaz/me and we can teach you the differences in syntax as well as how to operate the Turtle API.

[Rob14]

Do the stuff there to learn the basics of Javascript. This will teach you how a programming language functions and the basics of how to code.

This statement has literally had me in stitches laughing for the last 5 minutes.

You can probably learn all that in like

2 hours

on Codecademy.

If it takes two hours to learn how to use basic flow control then perhaps programming isn't your thing.

Coding isn't my thing, nor is it the thing of the majority of the people using Lua for Turtles. I'm trying to give them a way to get a crash course on the logic of a programming language functions for use in Minecraft, not for use in coding for Google or Microsoft. Hop off the high horse there, buddy.

[Rob14]

PS: everyone that wants to do manual backups and shit needs to register at http://multicraft.ms-hosting.org for either server

Registered - now how do I actually perform a back-up? I'd like to keep one a month just in case.

[Rob14]

@Maru - can i use the chat function in that CP until ftbbot comes back?

[Rob14]

<3

[Rob14]

minecraft doesn't love you

CHANGE YOUR AVATAR BACK. CHANGE IT BACK NOW.

[Rob14]

y?

You listened. Yay!

And because I identify people by their avatars, therefore you are Sherlock. Plus, I liked your old avatar.

[Rob14]

runescape.com connects to runescape. if you could add that to the first post UA, it would be appreciated.

just saying.

[Rob14]

If you were on before my guess is you're probably still whitelisted now. Have you tried getting on?

Nah, the server changed over a (long) while back. If he was present on the pre-FTB modded server, he isn't white-listed on the current FTB one most likely.

[Rob14]

Spoiler: Aerial view of my comically large hut (pre-windows)

[Rob14]

As a general rule, if you have to spend time to remove large parts of a mod in order to make it even usable, then it's not a mod we should really be interested in.

[Rob14]

By the way - I want to throw in my 2 cents in written form about the ongoing poll. I think that we should have server restarts every 6 or 12 months. After that time, all of the people on-server will have basically reached beyond endgame months ago and will be starting to get bored. These server restarts should be timed to be the beginning of summerish and Christmas time (or just summer, if it's 12 months), so that people have vacations, etc. to put time into the server right after it restarts.

Every server restart should be accompanied by world files being uploaded online by Maru to allow people to continue in SSP if they so wish, so that content isn't "lost", so to speak.

And to clarify my earlier thoughts on server stuff when I quit before. I wasn't mad about the server restarting. I was mad about the server restarting unexpectedly and while I was in the middle of working on stuff. I hated losing progress on mods that I was working towards endgame on - nuclear tech, for instance. If we put server restarts far enough out that such a thing doesn't happen (everyone already has endgame), I don't think a restart is a problem.

[Rob14]

I was bitching about the lack of timetable and openness in the process towards a server restart on the FTB front. The timetable issue was entirely corrected and I'm fully satisfied with that now. The openness, well, there were strides made to meet in the middle there, but I think that I have a very different level of expectations than others on-server regarding how open the process should be. Also, maru released a monthish old document displaying initial thoughts on some of the mods (although he also said that most of those have changed by now).

[Rob14]

irregardless

That is not a word.

[Rob14]

@Maru: Dictionaries include plenty of non-words nowadays. Slang is in dictionaries. "Meh" is in dictionaries. Doesn't make them grammatically correct.

@Everyone Else: This thread has now turned into a discussion of modern grammar. Enjoy.

[Rob14]

I challenge you to find a single non-OP who wants that feature considering the potential for accidental destruction of items. The prize will be a spot in my signature saying "Maru know best." for at least a year. The game is afoot.

[Rob14]

^I want the feature.

You'd rather have the feature to delete items at the press of a button considering the fact that if you click the wrong button you could lose the next item that you click AND if you drag something to the right of the screen you would lose the item instead of drop it to the ground (which has already lost me 2 stacks of UUM). All this in order to get a feature that you could achieve by throwing something in lava or just dropping it on the ground?

You trolling?

[Rob14]

Add to signature please.

I'd like a response to the above and an explanation as to why he wants the feature first.

[Rob14]

*shrug* besides Rob, you didn't ask for response and explanation, you asked for a volunteer!

but seriously, you two (Rob/Maru) can stop the passive aggressive back-and-forth now, plz and thank you <3

It's not passive-aggressive, it's me trying to prove a point. This is an anti-feature. When I inevitably lose something important and valuable because of this "feature," I have to wonder if it would be returned to me. I'm guessing the answer would be "no". If it's "yes," then I have no problem with the feature (although I still question why it's necessary).

There's a reason why this feature goes hand in hand with creative mode. If you fuck up with it in creative mode, you can just give yourself back the item. Non-OPs can't do that.

And dav, it's hell to just drop the item on the ground? Now I know you're trolling.

[Rob14]

Toss them on the ground and let them despawn. Most people are probably running around with NEI open. This WILL result in people throwing away valuable stuff because they forgot or didn't know - or just misclicked.

Is there any way to NOT run around with NEI open? If so, I'm not aware of it (and probably should be due to this feature).

[Rob14]

One dude theorized the place was actually a front for money laundering.

Holy shit.

I'm watching now and this wouldn't surprise me. The lady is genuinely in it for the food (but crazy), but her husband isn't. He freaked out when she almost

called the police on some customers. Also he invested over $1 million in the place, it said.

Yeah......probably money laundering.

[Rob14]

The owner also said

"I am the gangster, not you.

at one point in the show.

[Rob14]

Last night, my events server started up for the first time. It was a success. We played The Walls 1 and successfully had Dav, Mist, M, Blake, Me, and Klaz all in the server with no server lag. I'll be running this server with pre-planned events, with occasional spontaneous stuff if enough people in IRC want me to turn it on for something.

Server IP: 74.111.11.149:25565

Please be aware the IP is subject to change. Specifically, it is guaranteed to change when I move back to college in around a week and a half for a summer class. It will change again when I move back home (and every other time I move back and forth for vacations and the like). I'll announce the changes when relevant.

First pre-planned event - AHOY! The server will be online THIS SATURDAY, May 18th, starting at 9PM. We'll be playing Crown Conquest, as per the request of several people. You can find info about the mod here. It's possible another event will happen on Sunday, but that's up in the air due to some real-life stuff that's going on for me.

Lastly, PM me with any mods/games/plugins/whatever you want to try out. Some things that are going to be scheduled in the future include a speed-run on the ender-dragon in vanilla, PVP in hardcore mode (either on vanilla or DW20 - probably DW20), a Hunger Games map, and Herobrine's Castle.

[Rob14]

Mist didn't blow herself up. Come on, M, she's smarter than that. Instead, she blew up the floor under her feet and fell 20+ blocks to her death.

Totally different.

[Rob14]

Hey! Another Events Server announcement!

I need to gauge how available people are over the next week and a half, during which I'm available basically any time to run stuff. To do so, I'm going to ask the "regulars" to fill out a quick calendar saying when they're available. Considering the impending FTB server restart, which will likely temporarily decrease activity on the server as we don't want to immediately lose any progress made, I'm going to try to throw up events as often as I can to keep people from getting bored.

So here's the link to the Doodle: http://www.doodle.com/vf9ycxr8bkyushg4

All you have to do is type in your username and then check off the listed times that you're available. Just approximate - I'm trying to get a general idea of what times people would prefer, I don't need exact figures. If you have any problems with the Doodle, PM me and let me know or hit me up on IRC.

~Rob

[Rob14]

Currently scheduled events:

Saturday, May 18th at 9:00PM - Crown Conquest

NEW!

Sunday, May 19th at 7:30PM - Survival Games (aka Hunger Games)

Server IP: 74.111.11.149:25565

Reminder: Please fill out this Doodle if you haven't already so that I can continue scheduling events over the next two weeks when there is a demand for them.

[Rob14]

Yes because of the IC2 removal without any discussion or the inclusion or bringing in of any active IC2 user from the community.

And no, Izak does NOT count. He is NOT part of the community. He was 3 months ago. He isn't now. I can't remember the last time I saw him in-game or on IRC.

Also, I'd love to obey Maru's directive of no public discussion about anything (because what better way to control the masses), but I was banned from the IRC channel for getting angry at M for calling me names like a 2-year-old. Specifically, he called me a "pretentious twat". Earlier today, before the announcement of IC2 being taken out, he suggested I have psychological problems because I prefer to start with IC2, the mod I know best, in any modded server. He also said multiple times he "pitied me". These are your admins, people. *slow clap*

I'm out. I don't have time for this. This community is fucking great, and I've loved being a part of it, but it's not worth dealing with this admin team pushing their preferred playstyle down my throat and outright insulting me when I don't want to go along with it without the slightest question.

[Rob14]

Blake, the above post was editted. You may want to change yours if you don't fully agree with what's now written.

[Rob14]

rob13 i banned both of you to cool down and you respond by Shittalking me on the thread. The thanks i get for trying to keep thinks civil.

I didn't shit-talk you. I shit-talked M, and it was well deserved. I think I have a right to call someone an "asshat" when they initiate insults against me for no reason, especially when they're in a position of power.

[Rob14]

I stopped being active due to the lag and crashes making this a truly unpleasant experience for me. I will start again, and be active 100% of the time.

also I'm the most profilc ic2 user of all. second to maybe Davroe. maybe.

And you initiated the idea, so you are NOT a supporter of IC2. Again, no supporter of IC2 was in that conversation.

[Rob14]

You didn't earn a slow clap. Again, I didn't mean to smear you. M earned a slow clap.

[Rob14]

Although, frankly, you earn a separate slow clap for conducting closed-door discussions on controversial subjects and making a decision without any consult from the community, having the nerve to forbid public discussion of said decision, and explicitly saying that no amount of community outcry would consider you to even reconsider said decision. What is this, Stalinist Russia? We can't even TALK about your decisions in an unfavorable light in public?

P-edit: Klaz - it took a long time? Maru's post said that izak convinced HIMSELF of not using IC2 in two days. Define long time for me.

[Rob14]

M created his own Ultimate server last night because he likes playing with the stuff on Ultimate, including GregTech. In fact, he specifically mentioned GregTech as something he wanted to play with. You guys have worked to create the "perfect modpack", and yet have members of your own ranks going on separate servers specifically to play mods not included in this pack. This would all be very lol-worthy if it didn't destroy my ability to play because I'm NOT going to split time between multiple servers just to get the experience I wanted in the first place - what we have RIGHT NOW, minus lag. Take DW20 and disable Mystcraft and Thaumcraft. This would be an improvement.

[Rob14]

I guess I'm perma-banned from IRC at this point. Thanks Maru. I'm going to leave this thread now. Events server stuff is cancelled, because I can't organize that if I don't have access to the community in any way. Sorry guys.

[Rob14]

So you DIDN'T intend to insult me by saying that it seems like my desire to play IC2 first seems to stem from psychological problems? How DID you mean it to be taken?

M, why are you an admin for the community that you think is so ungrateful and awful that it's appalling? Serious question.

[Rob14]

Klaz, you're one of two people I DON'T have a problem with being an admin. Maru is the other. Even though we have disagreements, and I especially disagree with his decision to ban me from IRC, he still honestly has the best interests of the server at stake and plays on it often enough to be a part of the community. He's a good admin, even if I don't agree with his decisions.

[Rob14]

oh yeah and apparently M ... quit admin

If that stands, I'll give the next modpack a shot.

[Rob14]

I don't even know what happened, I'm going to look up this tinker thingy:

IT HAD BETTER BE AWESOME.

Wait, Is it just IndustrialCraft being removed or that and buildcraft? Because if so, that really hurts my plans for forestry.

I have so much to catch up on now.

Just IC2, but IC2 takes with it MANY child mods, including solars. Anything that runs on EU/t is gone.

[Rob14]

Oh my god, you guys...

And no, Izak does NOT count. He is NOT part of the community. He was 3 months ago. He isn't now. I can't remember the last time I saw him in-game or on IRC.

I stopped playing frequently on the server both because of the future restart, and because of my own time constraints. I stayed active in the thread and (timezones allowing) in admin talks. And I always intended to come right back the moment we had a stable world again. If the other admins really think this warrants me getting kicked out then fine, I've pretty much had enough of this crap anyway. But I think it's slightly ridiculous.

That post was made when I was particularly angry, both about the IC2 decision and a separate issue not related to the new modpack. Take it with a grain of salt.

[Rob14]

Currently scheduled events server shiz:

Saturday, May 18th at 9:00PM - Crown Conquest
Sunday, May 19th at 7:30PM - Survival Games (aka Hunger Games)

New!

Monday, May 20th at 9:00PM - Community Play in MineZ. This will NOT be on my server. Server IP will be given in IRC on the day of.

All of these events depend on exactly when the new server launches. Because I predict that no-one will come to any event scheduled immediately after server launch, once the new server launches, all events afterwards are cancelled. On a similar note, because the server launch seems to have moved up quite a bit, I no longer plan to schedule any other events over the following week.

Server IP: 74.111.11.149:25565

[Rob14]

It's not broken?

IIRC, bukkit still has issues on it.

[Rob14]

On another note, if you want to run JUST Tinker's Construct, you can do that easily too. Download the same files as above. Don't unzip stuff.

Also, download the Magic Launcher for Minecraft here.

Launch the Magic Launcher. Click "Setup" in the lower left-hand corner. Click "Browse" and select the ZIP file for Forge and then the ZIP file for Tinker's Construct (order on this is important). Make sure that it says "OK" next to both zip files on the list. Then exit that box and launch the game through the launcher. It will apply the mods for you. No FTB launcher needed, no other mods needed. You can install ANY mods this way, but be aware that you need to have Forge or ModLoader for a lot of mods to run properly.

[Rob14]

This is now - I was a bit late due to a variety of events that were unfortunate and outside my control. Sorry!

If anyone's interested in playing survival games NOW, I'll throw it up ASAP.

[Rob14]

ATTENTION, PEOPLE:

After some discussion we have decided that, in most cases, we will

NOT

be moving over items from the old world to the new one. If you feel you have something that should be bought over despite this decision (e.g. Rhinox and his saplings) feel free to PM me about it, but the answer will probably be "no".

The main reason for this is balance; many people, perhaps even the majority, have focused mostly on IC2, RP2, or TC3, none of which will be in the MafiaCraft pack. This means that if we were to let people bring items with them, those who focused on Thermal Expansion or another major mod would be at a massive advantage right from the start.

Instead, when you log in to the new world, you will be able to choose between three different starter kits. The first is an improved version of the one on the current server; it includes some tools, blocks, armor, food, etc., to help you get started. The second is a bundle of raw resources, including most ores that can generate, as well as some wood, stone, and coal. Finally, you can choose to receive almost an inventory-full of various building blocks and decorative items, most of which are full stacks. You may also, of course, choose to play without a starter kit and "punch your own damn trees".

This is the best idea to come out of the admin group in a long, long time. This is not meant to be sarcastic or a jab at previous decisions - this is seriously a great idea. Caters to all play-styles.

[Rob14]

middle, obv

EDIT: since people are apparently able to cast multiple votes, just put like 12 votes on middle for me.

[Rob14]

I do not, unless there is a rise of activity in it AND it waits until after FTB relaunches by at least a month.

1) Rise of activity - Without a rise of activity, I fear that a restart to vanilla will just end in an empty world sitting there going unused. We need at least SOME people to have interest in playing in Vanilla before bothering to restart it to ensure a spawn area is created and some sort of a town develops.

2) Not concurrent with FTB - Right now, people obviously prefer FTB to Vanilla. If they both restart simultaneously, FTB will get the majority of the activity, especially considering that it has new mods and so is practically a new game entirely. If most (or even all) people focus on FTB due to this, then it's likely Vanilla will never see a bump in activity from a restart. I doubt people will stay on FTB for 1 month restarting and investing in that server, then decide to give Vanilla some of their time when the majority of the community is over on FTB and the Vanilla restart isn't recent anymore.

[Rob14]

Bah Rhinox. I conditionally agree on restart if it is at least a month removed from FTB restart. I hadn't considered the issue with lost /tp and /home.

Also, I support the use of /tp and /home. This isn't an issue of "a vanilla experience." This is an issue of usability. Every modern server has these features - it's a basic function needed in a world where people have to go long distances to find the type of land they want to build on. I like to find islands and live on them, personally, but it requires an easy way to get back to the mainland in order to get materials and see the cool stuff other people have built. That's not possible without basic features to get from point A to point B at a relatively decent pace.

I am against, on the other hand, /warp except for MAYBE getting to the end if there's an end farm. You should have to /tp to someone if you want to visit. It encourages interactions and community. /warp'ing somewhere is stupid - use the Nether if you want to go to a regularly traveled place.

[Rob14]

Question: How do I get from 1000,1000 to spawn using railways, walking, or the nether portal highway if I find a cool island/biome/village/etc. at 1000,1000.

Answer:

I never visit spawn, get bored because I'm not playing with other people off on my little island, and stop using the Vanilla server.

Obviously, this does not apply to FTB. FTB should have no /tp, /warp, or /home because there are mods in place to fulfill that purpose.

[Rob14]

Events Server Announcement!

From now until the private pack releases, I am hosting a Hardcore Survival world around-the-clock on my server. Few things you should know:

1. The difficulty is hard and this is hardcore survival. Be aware that hardcore means that death results in a ban from the server.
2. This is NOT a PvP server. It is co-operative. PvP is disabled entirely.
3. A block of diamond currently equates to a single revive. I must be online to redeem a revive, as must the person who is being revived. Reviving someone involves me taking the server down temporarily, doing some trickery with the person who died, and then throwing it back up. The material required to revive someone will scale - if a block of diamond is no longer scarce, the requirements to revive someone will increase.
4. Don't be a dick - this covers everything I don't feel like writing out that should be common sense.

Server IP: 74.111.11.149:25565

Status of server: Me, klaz, maru, M, and davroe all are living in the village near spawn. We have some iron stuff (especially me, with full armor) and we're pooling resources. Klaz died, though, so that sucks. We have no diamond at the time of writing this.

[Rob14]

^ I'm on the side of restart if it's at least 1 month removed from the FTB restart.

[Rob14]

I tried to join your server Rob and it kept on disconnecting...

Sad face

Come to IRC for support: http://webchat.esper.net/?..&channels=mafiascum

[Rob14]

The Hardcore Survival server will be ending officially at midnight EST on Friday OR when the FTB server releases, whichever comes first. I do not plan to hold any further events on it, but I'd be happy to distribute all the files to anyone interested so that they can continue a Hardcore single-player run.

[Rob14]

Whitelist rob13_ so I can walk to 10000,10000 and start trying to find something interesting to learn.

[Rob14]

lag is client-side probably

[Rob14]

I'd prefer Easy. This is the server difficulty I'm most familiar with (have even more experience with Peaceful, but lolnope). On easy, cave spiders don't deal massive poison damage to you, making it at least marginally easier to start off. I was playing on a normal server earlier with some friends, and I was killed by 3 cave spiders on Normal. I killed them quickly, but triple poison got me a short time later. That adds too much difficulty to mining basic resources. This was, by the way, with FULL iron armor. 3 cave spiders vs. me with full iron won easily.

Also, we have a bunch of mods on this pack that I know nothing about and would like to try. If I can't mine without losing things regularly, then I can't get really involved in those mods.

Lastly, I just plain don't like PvP or PvE. I understand it's a necessity, but I play Minecraft to build stuff, explore mods, and have fun with the community, not to swing a sword at mobs. Putting the server on Normal would force me away from doing those things towards pursuing "safe" options which don't result in constant death. I've been known to get bored on Normal servers in the past - don't think I've lasted long on any of them.

[Rob14]

Eh - I'm old school. I still don't even like hunger. I preferred just hearts when it was around. This is probably one of the reasons I dislike Normal and Hard so much - hunger takes a much greater role. I know right now, if we go Normal, I need to find a new place to live (despite just traveling to 20000,20000 before finding land to make an island). I don't have the space on my current island to develop a farm, nor do I have any animals/seeds/etc.

[Rob14]

In a vanilla server, maybe. Keeps it challenging. In a modded server, that all takes away from being able to experience the mods. (Y)

[Rob14]

Actually, for that reason, I would agree that, if M feels the difficulty of the Vanilla server deserves a revisit if/when that server restarts, I would support Normal on THAT server, but not FTB. I would even support Hard on that server because Vanilla can get boring if a proper challenge isn't present. This might be a good compromise here where everyone leaves satisfied. I'll let M, of course, decide when/if the difficulty on the vanilla server will actually be revisited, but would anyone have a problem with a Normal or Hard vanilla server, out of curiosity?

[Rob14]

@M/izak/klaz - I know this pack has some different mobs in it, IIRC. What are those and how difficult are they, out of curiosity?

[Rob14]

I withdraw my vote on that poll. I no longer have any interest in the difficulty of the FTB server.

[Rob14]

PM'd, izak. I'm not saying anything in-thread.

[Rob14]

Now I look like a lemming.

Rob's Fun Fact of the Day: Lemmings do not actually follow each other until they leap off cliffs to their deaths like many people think they do. In fact, this misconception originated when Disney (yeah, you read that right) made a nature documentary and decided to beef it up a bit by using a turntable to launch lemmings off a cliff while recording them. For science!

[Rob14]

This statement, however, is false.

*mind blown*

[Rob14]

FOR MY OWN REFERENCE AND SO I DON'T NEED TO KEEP THE TABS OPEN, PLZ IGNORE, EEZ BORING SHIT

http://pastebin.com/TSpJ7qV2
http://www.mcportcentral.co.za/index.php?topic=5422.0

I think some stacks may have overflown.

[Rob14]

Obviously, Dappy was just using X-Ray mods. BAN HIM

[Rob14]

.........

you guys realise if we had a server with a decent amount of RAM we could probably just run FTB Ultimate and everything would be fine, right?

The problem is affording that server.

An Enderman package at CreeperHost (8GB RAM 55GB HDD 5 Core virtual server with unlimited data) will cost about £45 per month (I'm sure you can work that out in USD yourselves!) and I'd be prepared to pay half of that. Anybody else interested?

Ok, I know that I'm not really involved with this server anymore, but this is something I have to pipe in on. If you guys go the route of crowd-sourcing funding for a server, then I think it's common-sense that it be bought from Maru's hosting company. Considering all the money he's pumped into the server over the time I was around, it seems like giving him your business is the least the community can do to repay him.

As an alternative, by the way, I am willing to host a standard FTB pack for free off of my PC with 4GB of RAM dedicated to it, as long as the understanding is given that I am entirely unable to do cool shit with it (dynmap, etc.) because I just plain don't know how. It would literally be a standard FTB pack thrown online with nothing else done to it (except disabling any problem mods, like Thaumcraft and Mystcraft, if necessary).

[Rob14]

I want to know what mods you will make you guys refrain from playing.

don't ask this question, remember IC2? If asked 6 months ago, you and 50 others would have said IC2 or i quit.

Don't forget the people who

did

quit as a result of this.

[Rob14]

Not getting into this here, Maru - PM'd.