Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!
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Truly, I think DGB's solution should be to play games and learn how to not jeopardize the town when she's town. Running away doesn't solve it.
Also, the statement that someone is bad town or scum isn't a new one. It's a perfectly viable D1 vote. Just as viable as voting for Pooky because he's so damn tricksy. I think someone voted for him already because "I've heard about you." which implies exactly that. I don't see people getting their panties in a tangle over that. I'm not sure why people are FoSing me over my voting for someone who I think may jeopardize the town later. But w/e.
Finally: DGB, don't take it personally, just stop jeopardizing the town and lying when you're town. And honestly no matter HOW you play, people will hold it against you in other games. Or hold you up to it. It's called metagaming. 90% of the people on mafiascum do it.
Seeing as how she's probably going to be replaced, however...
unvote; vote mariytaI am getting an opportunistic vibe from her.
FoS: viperI'm not going to put up with his bad town or scum behavior either.-
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Viper because he's useless and Spamwise because of this post here:
I found this suspicious. To me it looked like Spamwise was casting around to find an easy bandwagon to jump onto that might result in a lynch. Also, his statement that the viper wagon stalling was indicative of his scum buddies not hopping on is suspicious. It's pretty early in the game and I'm pretty sure plenty of people would love to throw viper under the bus if they were scum with him. It actually makes me wonder about a Spamwise/Viper connection.SpamWise wrote:I can dig a Max wagon, the Viper one has stalled anyway. Which could be an indication his scum buddies haven't hopped on, but meh.
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I forgot to say earlier...
Fuldu, I'm far from the only person that hasn't backed up suspicions and votes. Your singling me out is suspicious in my opinion. Why is it not okay for me and okay for others? You will see that when I have something substantial to state that I work very hard at making it clear. I did not have anything substantial and as it was early in the game and I was working mostly off of vibes. I'm addressing this now mostly because I'm annoyed and need to make it clear that I do not attempt to 'cover all the bases without having to work too hard, ever'.-
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Yeah, I would too but it's not happening. I'm not sure what else to do here. If Bogre was going to be lynched, it sure as hell hasn't happened. This game is making me sad (and bored). I really don't have much on anyone due to everyone (including me) waiting for Bogre to be lynched. It was mostly random, then a wagon on Bogre based on a valid suspicion. I'd really like to see the game move somewhere and with Yaw threatening a deadline, I'd rather either lynch Bogre or stir things up a bit and perhaps get some discussion going. After waiting for what seems like forever, I finally decided to stop waiting and do the latter. I'll be very happy to move my vote back to Bogre in the case that he gains another vote or two, but you have to admit Yos, we're not accomplishing anything at the moment.
Fuldu brought up a good point against Cesspit, and I had actually noticed it when it happened, but dismissed it for the BS that it was. I didn't think it implied he was scum, however, just stupid. (no offense)-
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lordy wrote:I suspect the moving of offices has to do with the moving of roles.
As such, if im correct, ibby is now a cute little townie.
Awwww.
Which is it? Hmm? This is absolutely ridiculous. First you claim to not only know my alignment but my role and post it for no reason whatsoever. Then, you turn around and vote me because I call bullshit about it. NOW, you're saying you messed it up in your head and I'm scum? Sooo... your speculation is that people's alignment can change too? And you think because you found Spamwise scummy yesterday, that I'm now scum because I'm in his old office.lordy wrote:I didn't claim you stupid arsefarcks. What I meant was that I messed up IN MY BRAIN who got whose office.
And since spam was acting scummy yesterday AND TODAY, I believe that ibby got a scummy role, based on office spectaculation.
My office is the only thing that has changed. My alignment has not. If there's a difference between my old office and my new office, I will not say at this time.-
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vote MBLAgain. I want him talking.
Basically, I'm not impressed with how lordy has behaved today. It bothers me quite a bit, and his vote is very misplaced, especially when it's based on incorrect theory (as far as I'm concerned) and has nothing to do with my behavior. Fair warning, if someone attempts to out my role for no legitimate reason without provocation in any game, they will receive my vote. If it isn't scummy, it's bad play and it affects me directly.
At this point, I'm feeling that lordy has played badly here, but may not be scum. The speed of his wagon was incredibly fast, and may contain opportunistic scum.-
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My agreeing with Yosarian is because I have found him to make sense and his logic solid. Obviously this is consistent with my response to BMQ's assessment to the contrary and my vote for you. I'd also like to point out that I'm not following Yosarian as my votes have gone on people before his. He's not even voting for you now. If anything, I would be guilty of following Fuldu's lead here.
Lynching someone who has claimed vanilla townie on Day 1 is a relatively safe play for town to make. I attempted to stir up something else by voting for Spamwise (who I also found suspicious yesterday), but with a deadline approaching, the logical thing was to lynch Bogre.-
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Scum wants to lynch anyone who isn't a part of their group. If anything, scum wants to lynch power roles more than vanilla townies if they can succeed. This is why lynching vanilla townies is BWCS (Best Worst Case Scenario) for town on Day 1 of most games.
You're attempting to insinuate that because I chose to lynch someone who claimed vanilla townie over no-lynching is scummy. It isn't. Also, why are you dismissing the other 12 people who assisted in Bogre's lynch?-
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Yosarian wrote:Either way, I really don't think it was a pro-town move to blow up my office, and I'm very interested to find out who did it. Has anyone been moved into an office that gives you the blow-up office ability? If so, who had that office the night that the ability was used on me?MoS wrote:My guess is that ibby or Spamwise was the office destroyer, or that person got blocked last night. This makes me lean towards Spamwise, given his reactions regarding Bluemonick.
I think I can answer these. Sort of. Actually, I'm not sure that the offices stay the same. Here's why.
These items are not in my office. So either Spamwise was lying here or the offices change. Also, I have no ability to destroy offices. So if Spamwise was the office destroyer, I didn't get the same ability he had.SpamWise wrote:I miss my old office. There were guitars and surfboards and stuff. Anyway, I played pretty poorly yesterday, I'll try and lift my game today.-
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I'm back too. It's nice to see active replacements.
I agree that bluemonick's statement about being nabbed by his scumbuddy is something that shouldn't be ignored. The problem I'm having with it is that the first person that comes to mind for me is Fuldu, who has appeared fairly pro-town to me. He essentially was the one that called BS first and the wagon initially formed based on his argument, which I very much agreed with.
Others who look like possibilities are Masterchief (now InHim) and Yosarian. It's interesting that those two are now at each other's throats. MC based on the post where he made his vote. I know this is difficult to defend replacing in for inHim, but unfortunately actions of the predecessor don't just magically disappear. My thinking with Yosarian is more based on the fact that, his questioning did help lead to MC's breakdown, as he's said himself, regardless of if he actually voted or not. My problem with the Yosarian theory is that, like me, he was attacked by bluemonick with spurious reasoning.
I'm not quite sure why TSS made me the most likely candidate for being the scumbuddy since he didn't give any reasoning behind it. While I know that I am not who he (bluemonick) was referring to, I will say that bluemonick attacked me based on shoddy reasoning to which I responded. As I did so, he dug himself deeper. I don't consider that nabbing him.
There's been some comments about my interactions with Yosarian. Yes, we're getting along well in this game. On my part, I've felt that Yosarian's points have been sound and haven't found much that he's done to be suspicious. I also think some of this comes from Day 1 when Yosarian and I were both more active than most other people in the game.
I'm still suspicious of Harry Potter. He hasn't given me much reason to move my vote. I do realize a deadline is coming and will be willing to move my vote elsewhere if necessary before then.-
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Alrighty: BJ's votes and a bit of what happened around them.
random votechannel (lordy)
vote max because of bad play in another game
unvoted because it wasviper (bluemonick)that played badly
votedviperbecause he realized viper was in the game (was this a ruse?)
votedmlaker (bogre)following the next wagon that began forming
(says pooky is scum,blackberryquestions why he doesn't vote him then, he responds saying pooky isn't getting lynched right now)
jumps on thelordywagon - no reason
says 'we're all scum' after lordy gets angry
switches tobluemonickwhen lynch looks inevitable
votes pooky - no reason
votes spamwise/mathcam - no reason
votes harry potter calling him scum - omgus
+ a possibility of being scum partner bluemonick was referring to.
I think I see what you're saying here now that I look at it like this.
unvote; vote BJ-
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Well, lets have it out then.
1. We're not 'masons', we have the ability to talk at night.
2. I don't know your alignment.
3. We have never talked. I didn't bother to PM you because I figured you wouldn't respond and I didn't necessarily trust you. You didn't bother to PM me, going along with your typical unhelpfulness.
4. You voted mathcam earlier today, why? If you can call me a mason buddy, then mathcam would be a former mason buddy, wouldn't he?
BJ: Do you believe alignment and offices were assigned independently? Based on what you know, do you believe scum are able to talk to each other independent of office ability?-
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Should have said:ibaesha wrote:I don't really know about BJ. To me he appears to be doing his typical thing so it's difficult to judge. I'm not opposed to moving my vote to him as we approach deadline based on his unhelpfulness, but the same could be said for Harry Potter.
BJ: After MoS asked me to look at you more carefully I did and found some things that were questionable. What I saw was that your behavior earlier in day 1 could be a possible ruse/distancing attempt from Viper. I also saw your placement on the bluemonick wagon, which could be attributed to a bussing attempt. In addition, with bluemonick's statement about being nabbed by his scumbuddy, these things made you rise to the top of my list of possibilities. Then, I noted your vote for spamwise/mathcam, who I'm currently leaning towards being town. The fact that you were willing to vote for him without any reasoning behind it was something I also found suspicious. I'm neither scum looking for a reason to jump on your wagon, or a brainless sheep. And you should stop being suck a freakin' hypocrit. Bogre wagon, Lordy wagon? What were you, scum looking for a wagon to jump on or a brainless sheep?ibaesha wrote:I don't really know about BJ. To me he appears to be doing his typical thing so it's difficult to judge. I have some information about him that causes me to be hesitant to vote for him, and I haven't analyzed his play thoroughly because I'm giving him some benefit of the doubt. I'd rather be voting for Harry Potter because he is guilty of similar behavior.
Now, your reaction: First you called me your mason partner. You didn't state that you were unsure of my alignment until after I brought up the fact that you didn't bother to talk to me last night. Also, you've failed to answer my questions. Here, I'll repeat them for you.
Do you believe alignment and offices were assigned independently? Based on what you know, do you believe scum are able to talk to each other independent of office ability?
These are questions I've considered very heavily myself. I want to hear what YOU think about it.
MBL: It's interesting that when you finally do post, you ask everyone else what they think of people who have been lurking/not-contributing. What do you think about them? What do you think about anything? Other than your vote on Harry Potter yesterday, you've given pretty much no insight to anything. You're behaving like an observer and appear to be unwilling to give your own thoughts.
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Echo echo echo. You just restated MoS's argument and part of mine. Do you have thoughts on anyone/anything else in this game, or are you just going to continue lurking and piggy-backing other people's arguments? I'm heavily considering moving my vote back to you right now.Harry_Potter wrote:@Baby Jesus- you jump all over with your votes every game is true, but normally your votes start out looking random and then ending up serving a purpose. Your voting here just doesn't have that flavor. The more I look at how things happened, the more positive I am that you are the scum buddy bluemonick was talking about.
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No, not really. But that's not entirely my problem with him. My problem is that his contributions in the game have been sparse (almost an understatement) and singularly focused while simply echoing other people. While he's happy to jump on BJ's voting record and actions, he doesn't answer for his own.
Here's what he's done:
random vote pooky
gets on mlaker/bogre wagon and stays on it the rest of the day without saying much else
votes kurtz based on someone else's reasoning - offers nothing else
(doesn't post for 23 days after saying he'd be gone for 5)
compares bj to pooky after bj receives a couple votes, but appears to believe pooky's behavior is okay and bj's isn't, but doesn't vote yet.
Decides to use other people's reasoning to vote BJ after he gets a couple votes himself.
confirm votes bj again echoing other people's reasoning.
Essentially, there has not really been one original thought from him the entire game. Every single vote he's made has been a bandwagon vote based on other people's reasoning.-
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If I don't see a content-full post with original thought from H_P and soon, I more than likely will. The fact is, even though I'm suspicious of BJ, I would like to have the chance to talk with him at night that we didn't give ourselves last night. If he is town and we can settle our differences, it could turn out to be a strength. Right now they're fairly equal in scumminess for me, with BJ just ahead based on the possibility that he bussed bluemonick.-
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I do think it's possible. Why wouldn't it be? He can either convince me he's town or not. There's plenty of things I have to discuss with him, that might shed some light for me about his alignment. If he is town and we can work together to catch scum, that's definately a strength for the town. Yes, he could also fool me into believing he is town when he's not, but I doubt his ability to do this as well as some other people.
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It's mostly to do with the mechanics of the game, taking into consideration what we (me and BJ)know. I've already begun asking him some questions in the thread, but there are other questions I have. They are questions I'm not inclined to ask in the thread because it would be revealing more information than I'd like to. Based on how he responds to these questions, I might be able to discern better if he's town or scum.Yosarian wrote:I'm having trouble picturing him saying something to you in a PM that could convince you he was innocent that he couldn't/wouldn't say in the thread.
And by having to explain my thoughts in detail about this topic, I'm more convinced that it is exactly what I should do.
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Just to clarify. You're not referring to me in this are you? I haven't necessarily changed my opinion of BJ. The points I brought up are still valid. However, I've also decided that Harry Potter is fairly equal in scumminess based on the points I've brought up against him. Note: He has yet to respond to those at all. I simply would like to have a night to talk to BJ and see what comes of it. I do realize that I should've made this attempt before, but that's a mistake I made and I can't turn back time to fix it.MoS wrote:Nothing has changed, but all of a sudden people are "rethinking" their opinions of BJ. I find this highly suspect.
Actually we wouldn't die until after the discussion happened. And the possibility of death only means that whoever is left alive (unless we're both killed) would have have the conversation + the knowledge of the other's alignment to work with going into the next day. For example: If BJ died and came up town, I would know that whatever he told me the night before could be trusted. And if he came up scum, I would know that it couldn't. And the same is true in reverse if I die. The negative here, which I've thought about already is that if BJ is scum, he could use the conversation to help his position later. In addition, If we both die, our alignments are revealed and that also would shed light on things for the town. Right now, I believe that the positive possibilities are worth risking the negative one.spectrumvoid wrote:Iba, either you or BJ could get killed tonight, so that discussion would never happen.
BJ: I do expect for us to talk tonight and for you to be responsive to me. If you are not, my vote may very well return to you tomorrow if we both live through the night.-
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I do too. Desperation is not something I've been feeling so I'm unsure how it would've been conveyed. I will admit to being fairly confused about the game, in fact:MoS wrote: I also want to know why TheCesspit thinks Ibby sounds desparate?
Is very much how I've been feeling.mathcam restating Spamwise wrote:This game hurts my head. I'll refrain from vouching things about this game when I don't really understand how it all -- namely offices, role, and motives -- fit together.-
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I've already explained this on my part. Although BJ's continued avoidance of bringing forward a suitable defense is making me unsure of that decision. I'm starting to think that his behavior is going to carry onward to night and that I'll be wasting my time and effort. (Which is exactly why I didn't bother to PM him last night)mathcam wrote:More productively...Could someone not voting for BJ (other than BJ, of course) please explain why?
So BJ: Is it going to be a waste of my time and effort to communicate with you tonight? Are you going to continue with the unhelpful and uninsightful behavior? Just tell me now and I won't bother.-
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No response to this tells me that it is a waste of time.Ibby wrote:So BJ: Is it going to be a waste of my time and effort to communicate with you tonight? Are you going to continue with the unhelpful and uninsightful behavior? Just tell me now and I won't bother.
Lie #1BJ wrote:I just double checked my PM. It says I am pro-town.
Lie #2BJ wrote:WTF are you talking about? I only HAVE one facet to my role. There's nothing else to my role other then what I have said.
IF? Don't you mean when?BJ wrote:good stuff here. So if I DO come up pro-town, does that show you as a liar, and the Day Two lynch?
unvote; vote BJ
You've managed to kill all benefit of the doubt I was willing to give you. gj-
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At least one of those is wrong.Coron wrote:Vote: MoS
FoS: Ibby, Mathcam
Bagged 3 scum for the price of 1.
I'm not either, despite knowing what's in that office.MoS wrote: So is anyone besides me noticing that people keep trying to put people in Jack Quinn's office? First mathcam was switched with Ibby and became Jack Quinn, now Armlx was made Jack Quinn in mathcam's place. Interesting. Not sure what to make of it.
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Coron: I had very good reason to lynch BJ. You don't know all the details. You're obviously a skimmah. BJ lied about his role. He lied about a part of it that I was well aware of. And I'm not talking about the 'pm says pro-town' part. I'm pretty sure mathcam also knew he was lying as well. In my mind, when he was that close to a lynch, there was no reason whatsoever to lie unless he was scum. He could've told the truth and remained vague, but he didn't choose to do that either.
mathcam: I'm suspicious of you because of what has happened to that additional facet that BJ lied about. Hopefully that clarifies it for you better.-
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Well you think wrong. Also, I haven't vaguely threatened anyone. I mentioned a suspicion of mathcam based on knowledge that I have. I haven't given specifics because I can get my point across to him without doing so. If there's enough of a consensus that I should fully explain my knowledge, I certainly will. Doing so would also allow me to ask many questions that I have had since my office was switched. Because of what I know, however, I haven't been inclined to reveal things to scum that might narrow down possible targets for them.
Also, armlx now knows exactly what is in my/mathcam's previous office, so I am fairly sure he and mathcam can both understand my statements in regards to -that- office.-
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ibaesha Too Townie
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Primarily because after you pushed BJ's lynch yesterday, InHim came up dead today. You are the only one other than me that knew that InHim was the third person. Now, the other person I had to discuss things with is dead and also pro-town. I cannot verify anything that I discussed with InHim last night for the town since he is no longer living. This is rather convenient, especially with how people are acting towards me today (somewhat predictable after BJ came up pro-town). So from my perspective, I see a possibility that you helped take out BJ, then InHim, and I'm next (lynchbait). Yes, it's a paranoid suspicion but there it is.mathcam wrote:Agreed, Yos. The only thing I can think of is that Jack Johnson, Jack Ryan, and Jack Yates all have the ability to communicate at night. This is the only thing in the role that has yet to be revealed, and I don't see any harm in doing it now. BabyJesus sort of implicitly claimed that Jack Ryan wasn't part of the picture, which I think is the lie to which Ibby is referring. But for the life of me, I can't figure out why this makes me more scummy.
For the record (even though it may not hold any weight now): InHim said Harry Potter has to go. He also remained suspicious of Yosarian. I asked him to clarify his case against Yosarian for me because I didn't quite understand it myself. He told me that it was primarily meta and instructed me to read over his case against Yosarian again and compare the things he said to about Yosarian to what scum have done in past games.
We also discussed BJ's lynch and while he understood my part in it, he explained why he did not vote for BJ despite the behavior. The explanation was that he has played many games with BJ, perhaps more than anyone on the site and that he doesn't go for lynching BJ as early as day 3 because BJ is always like that and can be useful later in the game. He also stated that a helpful BJ is more indicative of scum BJ than a non-helpful BJ.
I did ask him some questions regarding the game mechanics. Much of it has become irrelevant now I think, but I will post those questions if anyone is interested. He never got back to me about them as he said he hadn't had time to really put a lot of thought into the mechanics yet.
I have felt very confused about this game ever since my office was swapped. At one point of yesterday, BJ and InHim were the leading vote-getters and I very much didn't know how to deal with that considering I was unsure of their alignment. I probably haven't played well during this game (in fact I feel I haven't) and can sort of understand some suspicions against me. This is the best explanation I can give for my actions yesterday and stated suspicions of today.-
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ibaesha Too Townie
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