Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

[ibaesha]

Alrighty: BJ's votes and a bit of what happened around them.

random vote

channel (lordy)

vote max because of bad play in another game
unvoted because it was

viper (bluemonick)

that played badly
voted

viper

because he realized viper was in the game (was this a ruse?)
voted

mlaker (bogre)

following the next wagon that began forming
(says pooky is scum,

blackberry

questions why he doesn't vote him then, he responds saying pooky isn't getting lynched right now)
jumps on the

lordy

wagon - no reason
says 'we're all scum' after lordy gets angry
switches to

bluemonick

when lynch looks inevitable
votes pooky - no reason
votes spamwise/mathcam - no reason
votes harry potter calling him scum - omgus

+ a possibility of being scum partner bluemonick was referring to.

I think I see what you're saying here now that I look at it like this.

unvote; vote BJ

[BabyJesus]

Alrighty: BJ's votes and a bit of what happened around them.

random vote

channel (lordy)

vote max because of bad play in another game
unvoted because it was

viper (bluemonick)

that played badly
voted

viper

because he realized viper was in the game (was this a ruse?)
voted

mlaker (bogre)

following the next wagon that began forming
(says pooky is scum,

blackberry

questions why he doesn't vote him then, he responds saying pooky isn't getting lynched right now)
jumps on the

lordy

wagon - no reason
says 'we're all scum' after lordy gets angry
switches to

bluemonick

when lynch looks inevitable
votes pooky - no reason
votes spamwise/mathcam - no reason
votes harry potter calling him scum - omgus

+ a possibility of being scum partner bluemonick was referring to.

I think I see what you're saying here now that I look at it like this.

unvote; vote BJ

looks like my "mason" buddy isn't ebing very helpful....

[BabyJesus]

Very interesting how easily ibaesha is willing to hop on though, for crap reasons....

At least if you all lynch me you will know how Mastermind of S

P

in got his name...

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

BabyJesus (4): Mastermind of Sin, TheCesspit, Harry_Potter, ibaesha
inHimshallibe (3): the silent speaker, Yosarian2, spectrumvoid
Harry_Potter (2): BabyJesus, armlx
Yosarian2 (2): PookyTheMagicalBear, inHimshallibe
mathcam (1): zu_Faul
Max (1): mathcam

Not Voting: Colonel Kurtz, Coron, Fuldu, Max, MrBuddyLee, mystery meat of doom

10 to lynch.

[ibaesha]

Well, lets have it out then.

1. We're not 'masons', we have the ability to talk at night.
2. I don't know your alignment.
3. We have never talked. I didn't bother to PM you because I figured you wouldn't respond and I didn't necessarily trust you. You didn't bother to PM me, going along with your typical unhelpfulness.
4. You voted mathcam earlier today, why? If you can call me a mason buddy, then mathcam would be a former mason buddy, wouldn't he?

BJ: Do you believe alignment and offices were assigned independently? Based on what you know, do you believe scum are able to talk to each other independent of office ability?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Very interesting how easily ibaesha is willing to hop on though, for crap reasons....

At least if you all lynch me you will know how Mastermind of S

P

in got his name...

quite interesting how BJ calls everything crap without bothering to actually refute anything put against him. Classic scum avoidance tactics.

[inHimshallibe]

Very interesting how easily ibaesha is willing to hop on though, for crap reasons....

At least if you all lynch me you will know how Mastermind of S

P

in got his name...

quite interesting how BJ calls everything crap without bothering to actually refute anything put against him. Classic scum avoidance tactics.

Quite interesting that that's not the way to catch BabyJ. :sj:

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

mason buddy? lol

unvote

vote BJ

[BabyJesus]

Well, lets have it out then.

1. We're not 'masons', we have the ability to talk at night.
2. I don't know your alignment.
3. We have never talked. I didn't bother to PM you because I figured you wouldn't respond and I didn't necessarily trust you. You didn't bother to PM me, going along with your typical unhelpfulness.
4. You voted mathcam earlier today, why? If you can call me a mason buddy, then mathcam would be a former mason buddy, wouldn't he?

BJ: Do you believe alignment and offices were assigned independently? Based on what you know, do you believe scum are able to talk to each other independent of office ability?

the fact that I don;t know the alignment of my partner is exactly why I didn't bother using that ability....

[BabyJesus]

mason buddy? lol

unvote

vote BJ

huh? I don't understand exctly what drew this vote. That's my role/office or whatever. I was a "mason" with spamwise, now I'm a mason with bogre/igaesha. But From the start, there was no guarantee my partner was not scum, so I never pm'd ib or spamwise at night.

[BabyJesus]

Very interesting how easily ibaesha is willing to hop on though, for crap reasons....

At least if you all lynch me you will know how Mastermind of S

P

in got his name...

quite interesting how BJ calls everything crap without bothering to actually refute anything put against him. Classic scum avoidance tactics.

You have failed to "put anything against me" that requires refuting. Your accusation consist of "voting someone for no reason", "calling someone scum without voting them", and "jumping on scum to make myself look less scummy"

As for the first two, what's to refute? I do that all the time, as you well know. You want to vote me for it, knock yourself out, but you know as well as everyone else that it certainly is not a scum tell. All it will accomplish is lynching me to see if this happens to be the time your random accusation happens to be the time I randomly am scum. You will then see I am pro-town, and resolve deep within yourself to run me up for the same reason next time, and hope that I am scum THAT time.

As for your last accusation, that's just sheer stupidity. You're accusing me of being scum because I put one of the last votes on scum to lynch them. That's just you being an idiot. If no one cast votes in a bandwagon to go ahead and lynch someone, no one would ever be lynched. Someone has to do it. This accusation boils down to nothing, how is one supposed to defend "You're scum because you put vote X on scum". You can't. It's a completely trivial accusation with no relevance to the discussion at hand.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm not the only one who's said things against you.

Alrighty: BJ's votes and a bit of what happened around them.

random vote

channel (lordy)

vote max because of bad play in another game
unvoted because it was

viper (bluemonick)

that played badly
voted

viper

because he realized viper was in the game (was this a ruse?)
voted

mlaker (bogre)

following the next wagon that began forming
(says pooky is scum,

blackberry

questions why he doesn't vote him then, he responds saying pooky isn't getting lynched right now)
jumps on the

lordy

wagon - no reason
says 'we're all scum' after lordy gets angry
switches to

bluemonick

when lynch looks inevitable
votes pooky - no reason
votes spamwise/mathcam - no reason
votes harry potter calling him scum - omgus

+ a possibility of being scum partner bluemonick was referring to.

I think I see what you're saying here now that I look at it like this.

unvote; vote BJ

Why don't you try explaining some of your actions, eh?

[BabyJesus]

I'm not the only one who's said things against you.

Alrighty: BJ's votes and a bit of what happened around them.

random vote

channel (lordy)

vote max because of bad play in another game
unvoted because it was

viper (bluemonick)

that played badly
voted

viper

because he realized viper was in the game (was this a ruse?)
voted

mlaker (bogre)

following the next wagon that began forming
(says pooky is scum,

blackberry

questions why he doesn't vote him then, he responds saying pooky isn't getting lynched right now)
jumps on the

lordy

wagon - no reason
says 'we're all scum' after lordy gets angry
switches to

bluemonick

when lynch looks inevitable
votes pooky - no reason
votes spamwise/mathcam - no reason
votes harry potter calling him scum - omgus

+ a possibility of being scum partner bluemonick was referring to.

I think I see what you're saying here now that I look at it like this.

unvote; vote BJ

Why don't you try explaining some of your actions, eh?

oh please. Ibeasha is simply using your attack of me to justify a vote on me. Simply providing a list a list of my votes, claimign to "see what moS is talking about".and voting me? Please. Weak, weak, weak. I jump all over the place with my votes EVERY SINGLE GAME. That's how I play, and you know it. Pretending you're suspicious of me for that is a load of bullshit, and ibasha is either a brainless sheep for following along, or scum looking for a pro-town lynch. And I'm not sure what Pooky's deal is.

[MrBuddyLee]

Not to divert from the BJ wagon, but rather to spur the kind of discussion we need to have in order to catch scum, I'd like to see everyone's thoughts on whether or not the following people have done anything pro-town yet in this game:

MBL
Harry Potter
Max
mmod
BJ
Pooky
Coron
Colonel Kurtz
zu_Faul

If calls for prods or replacements are appropriate, go for it.

There were also a lot of people accusing Spamwise of general badness, and I think everyone would benefit from people's analysis of Spamwise/mathcam's actions as well.

[Fuldu]

4. You voted mathcam earlier today, why? If you can call me a mason buddy, then mathcam would be a former mason buddy, wouldn't he?

I think this is the only one of the points against BJ that merits any discussion. How about it, BJ? If you were trying to use "mason buddy" as a defense, then how does this vote on mathcam make any sense? If you weren't trying to use it as a defense, then why bring it up at all?

[BabyJesus]

4. You voted mathcam earlier today, why? If you can call me a mason buddy, then mathcam would be a former mason buddy, wouldn't he?

I think this is the only one of the points against BJ that merits any discussion. How about it, BJ? If you were trying to use "mason buddy" as a defense, then how does this vote on mathcam make any sense? If you weren't trying to use it as a defense, then why bring it up at all?

it's not a defense. It was a claim. I thought I stated very clearly that I did not know the alignment of my partner(s).

Onn that note - did we ever determine who was responsible for the swapping of roles? Scum/town?

[Yosarian2]

There were also a lot of people accusing Spamwise of general badness, and I think everyone would benefit from people's analysis of Spamwise/mathcam's actions as well.

Spamwise made at least a few posts that seemed very scummy to me. Since he replaced spamwise, Mathcam has seemed reasonable and has given off a bit of a pro-town vibe. Of course, he's a good player, and I'm sure he's quite capable of being resonable and giving off a pro-town vibe while scum.

(shrug)

At the moment, I am still slightly more suspicious then average of him, (basically, fairly significant scumtells from spamwise + reasonable and somewhat pro-town looking posts from mathcam=slightly scummy). However, at the moment I'm willing to give him some rope at the moment and take kind of a wait-and-see attitude with mathcam, especally as masterchief/inhim looks more suspicious to me, and there are others that look at least as suspicious as mathcam to me and are also lurking.

I'll take a look and give my impression of all the players on your list later, whenver I have time to do that kind of re-reading; probably this weekend sometime.

[ibaesha]

I don't really know about BJ. To me he appears to be doing his typical thing so it's difficult to judge. I'm not opposed to moving my vote to him as we approach deadline based on his unhelpfulness, but the same could be said for Harry Potter.

Should have said:

I don't really know about BJ. To me he appears to be doing his typical thing so it's difficult to judge. I have some information about him that causes me to be hesitant to vote for him, and I haven't analyzed his play thoroughly because I'm giving him some benefit of the doubt. I'd rather be voting for Harry Potter because he is guilty of similar behavior.

BJ: After MoS asked me to look at you more carefully I did and found some things that were questionable. What I saw was that your behavior earlier in day 1 could be a possible ruse/distancing attempt from Viper. I also saw your placement on the bluemonick wagon, which could be attributed to a bussing attempt. In addition, with bluemonick's statement about being nabbed by his scumbuddy, these things made you rise to the top of my list of possibilities. Then, I noted your vote for spamwise/mathcam, who I'm currently leaning towards being town. The fact that you were willing to vote for him without any reasoning behind it was something I also found suspicious. I'm neither scum looking for a reason to jump on your wagon, or a brainless sheep. And you should stop being suck a freakin' hypocrit. Bogre wagon, Lordy wagon? What were you, scum looking for a wagon to jump on or a brainless sheep?

Now, your reaction: First you called me your mason partner. You didn't state that you were unsure of my alignment until after I brought up the fact that you didn't bother to talk to me last night. Also, you've failed to answer my questions. Here, I'll repeat them for you.

Do you believe alignment and offices were assigned independently? Based on what you know, do you believe scum are able to talk to each other independent of office ability?

These are questions I've considered very heavily myself. I want to hear what YOU think about it.

MBL: It's interesting that when you finally do post, you ask everyone else what they think of people who have been lurking/not-contributing. What do you think about them? What do you think about anything? Other than your vote on Harry Potter yesterday, you've given pretty much no insight to anything. You're behaving like an observer and appear to be unwilling to give your own thoughts.

Mod: Can we please have an extension to the deadline?

[Yaw]

Yes, but not for the reason you think.

Colonel Kurtz asked to be replaced. He will be replaced by Uraj45. Deadline will be extended to

Monday, September 11 at 11PM EDT

to give him a chance to catch up and post.

[Mastermind of Sin]

OMG URAJ!!!!! <3 <3 <3 MEANIE IS BACK!!!!!!

[Harry_Potter]

@Baby Jesus- you jump all over with your votes every game is true, but normally your votes start out looking random and then ending up serving a purpose. Your voting here just doesn't have that flavor. The more I look at how things happened, the more positive I am that you are the scum buddy bluemonick was talking about.

confirm vote Baby Jesus

[BabyJesus]

Now, your reaction: First you called me your mason partner. You didn't state that you were unsure of my alignment until after I brought up the fact that you didn't bother to talk to me last night.

Sory...that why when I said you were my "mason" partner, I did the whol quptes thing around mason, to illustrate not a "real/traditional" mason. I assumed the fact you had voted for me showed there was no confirmed innocence.

As for

"Do you believe alignment and offices were assigned independently? Based on what you know, do you believe scum are able to talk to each other independent of office ability? "

I assume so. I can't imagine scum WOULDN't be able to talk regardless.

[BabyJesus]

@Baby Jesus- you jump all over with your votes every game is true, but normally your votes start out looking random and then ending up serving a purpose. Your voting here just doesn't have that flavor. The more I look at how things happened, the more positive I am that you are the scum buddy bluemonick was talking about.

confirm vote Baby Jesus

lol. You're SO good at this.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: HarryPotter

[zu_Faul]

4. You voted mathcam earlier today, why? If you can call me a mason buddy, then mathcam would be a former mason buddy, wouldn't he?

I think this is the only one of the points against BJ that merits any discussion. How about it, BJ? If you were trying to use "mason buddy" as a defense, then how does this vote on mathcam make any sense? If you weren't trying to use it as a defense, then why bring it up at all?

it's not a defense. It was a claim. I thought I stated very clearly that I did not know the alignment of my partner(s).

Onn that note - did we ever determine who was responsible for the swapping of roles? Scum/town?

Do you want to distract?

FOS: BJ

While your role seems to be proven (and if I understand it correctly, mathcam had the same role, and Ibby has it now because she took mathcam's office), your alignment is not.
My vote still stays.