Mini 1755: Game Over

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o/

Im the neighborhood IC

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AI, youre full of piss and vinegar today?

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eww. Its like you want me to push you for being shallow.

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vote" AI

You keep not engaging. We'll see who wins

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This game is dumb. AI is dumb. I have never seen such an overbearing attempt to get me to ???

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vote: pisskop

Like I dont even care about this game, and the fapterbation and trying to force us out of lylo with overanalysis is something both keysor and ai do.

I scumread ai for sure. Take a look at his very small meta and tell me why.

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why would I?

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The wagon on me is crap and I dont really think Id set a good impression if I changed my behaviors under a wee bit of pressure.

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And still, even as I type we have some people trying to justify the terrible terribleness that is my wagon,

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@pisskop also, why are you saying AI has a very small meta?? I see he has over 1200 posts
@UTL hey there. good to see you back.
Are you the same alignment as me this time?

Right. I totally forgot that large post counts = large amounts of games.

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To let yu guys tie your own knots and to follow my established meta.

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Im more than willing to lose to prove my point.

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When and if I feel like it Ill come back and do things.

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eww. Compare ai from Blitz 11 to this ai.

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I promise to do actual things after work and play.

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Blitz 11 - AI had in depth reads an analysis. He made judgements after publicly displaying his logic
Scum AI pushes people with the least amount of work possible. He calls people scum and finds reasons to scumread them, but his thought process is one-way and his intent to lynch is made clear without the fluff of overanalysis.

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AI wagon is

#happening

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The difference between the two is everything my little heart could desire.

vote: ai

I dont even think itd take my special brand of meta to see that youre pointed and goal-driven instead of in a problem solving mode.

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Well, thats just it. You havent got a case on me, but here we have an excellent example of you acting like you.

We'll just leave it to the other players to look it over.

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Sure. And ask yourself: if he 'learned' from his playthrough, why is he acting this way again; nevermind alignment?

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all of you, not just him. he still needs sorting.

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???

your response to my point that you have no case is to try to claim a well placed selfvote is scummy?


Everthing youre pushing is narrative ridden. youre inserting emotions and painting it as black and acting in your scumgame i listed above

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???

your response to my point that you have no case is to try to claim a well placed selfvote is scummy?

This is a strange thing to say. When is voting for yourself ever 'well placed'? What was the point you were trying to prove, and why pull a 180 in less than 12 hours? You've been asked about your intent a few times now and haven't answered anyone.

I guess I didnt make my intent clear enough

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what a strange line of questioning to pursue at the exclusion of all else

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I dont care about your question. Post some content now you creepy ass avatar.

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Clear enough?

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what a strange line of questioning to pursue at the exclusion of all else

Any time you want to actually join the game

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/what a well worded way to say 'I was wrong and I dont want to die for my beliefs'

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Good, now if youre done wasting our time sit in the corner.

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Anything with a gif in it and more than 2 lines of text is getting ignored.

I have like no patience for most of Axle v keysor. Its a thing.

We're like brothers. This is how I know he is scum.

This is not like AI's behaviors with regard to me, or in general. Its much more pointed than any other experience I have with him, and is a reason I scumread him. Plus its offhanded to the point of being slightly insulting.

Has anyone seen these guys?:

This makes Keysor more town, but gdi I was skimming and actually thought I missed the music note posting. annoying


I completely forgot I answered the questions regarding my intent in 126,127,128. That makes the completely noncontentful Deus a scumread even more for being stupid and getting caught not reading.
I townlean axle and townread Massive.
I have no experience with heat either way, but they seem to be taking an involved stance and open to change. Thats usually a town trait.

AI is scummy, and shame on you who doesnt think so and isnt thir buddy. Deus reacted like oppurtunistic scum and can eat the rope too.

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@Pisskop
You talking to me?

The suggestion of PLing someone has nothing to do with if they're scum or not. It's more of "This person is a troll who is making the game extremely unpleasant." It has nothing to do with right or wrong.

Yea. I had hoped it was obvious enough even you could pick up on it?

Its about reactions. You going to walk into more of those setups?

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Meh. I dont doubt Icher is being genuine about not liking my posts *shrugs*, but its not entirely alignment indicative, its just not likeing the tone. Plenty of scum would call it out and mean it.

I did like how he interacted with keysor, so thats something.

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I like how you furthered the game with that post. Im glad thats the one thing y6ou pulled from my posts.

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What does my town game look like?

I find it interesting that you would brush off your limited meta but try to invoke mine when I take pains to vary my play up

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I like where this is going.

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Oh look. That was under two lines of text

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Thats also not what I said, but Im glad you could be here to share it.

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Anything with a gif in it and more than 2 lines of text is getting ignored.

Are you claiming to be unable to read from left to right?

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Hows about you just admit that what I said and what you said were not the same thing and focus on something that isnt pushing me for being a meanie, enh? You do someting worth townreading, Ill townread you.

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i have over 50 games and a reasonably up to date wiki.

no wai we havent shared a towngame :v Does my play here match my scum games w/you?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... +performer

the only game with you where I wasnt scum or mod :/

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gdi

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just catch up and tell us things

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also why are you bookmarking games you played in?

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Boons, save me from them all.

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Its all walls of postings and inane questions and poor reactions.

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AI has completely neglected to follow up here:

This is so not your town game.

And in general this town is bad.

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wat? and when I said it it wasnt worth noting?

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Interesting observation on Deus Asmoth's behaviour.

wrt this^^

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Hows about you just admit that what I said and what you said were not the same thing and focus on something that isnt pushing me for being a meanie, enh? You do someting worth townreading, Ill townread you.

I like how you furthered the game with that post. Im glad thats the one thing y6ou pulled from my posts.

I dont care about your question. Post some content now you creepy ass avatar.

Right. So you didnt get that gist from my own posts?

Ill make sure I explicitly say it from now on. I usually try to leave just enough out for people to make the logcial leap.

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^^not being a dick, just not really getting how best to interface with you.

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wat?

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o.o

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man you guys really overthink this stuff.


deus/ai are where we should be.

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And the ras wagon is kinda crap and i havent split it between the poor logics and the sc pushes yet

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no. just go look at the clear difference and compare here

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im nit going to do this light metadive for you, lest I be accused of cherrypicking. You have links, not clicking on2 links is laziness or disintrest. which is it?

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heysus hes not reading > :[

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can droog take his head out his rump qnd stop taking what amounts to an eady reason to policy vote?

oerformer, can you at least tell me what you think of the games I linked?

boons goodspeed

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cmon, suddenly everyone feels like not posting once I call out AI for his not reading the game and baseless claims to my own game? If hes town here I vastly overestimated him

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undecided. Some looks bad some better.

From what point in time are you comparing my play here to?

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Exactly. You dont know me. Youve played one game with me and one game I modded.

you were up in arms from the moment I called you out as sassing people

Spoiler:

VOTE: Ircher

OMGUS

I am town this time. Pinky swear.

Strange that Axle asked Keyser about fake claim, during RVS. Never seen this happen before.

Yeah, it seemed a bit uncalled for. Not sure what to make of it.

Heat is scum too. He probably wants an easy lynch. Highly opportunistic.

What does my selfvote have to do with your initial reaction to me?

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oh so were all waiting for him to act town?

AI, Droog has echoed my sentiments that you discuss my play and how you know ots town/scum. so far youve avoided answering these queries.

On that, not sure Im okay with droog voteparking, calling me null, and then defending me in aroundabout way

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4 days, 14 hours, 55 minutes

We need to find common ground.

We lynch for scumminess first, and info second. info lynches are compromise lynches and those are bad for town.

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i havent reread bur I tend to agree with to above 2.

droog wagon?

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Since Deus is outing, I had a slight townead on the slot

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vote: droog

Ill read up today or tomorrow though and make a final choice.

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Voting Pisskop really wouldn't be a good idea imo at the time.

Y?

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Its not.

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I made a declarative statement that although I razzed him I had a townlean there.

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If you got that then what is your problem here? Do you feel Ive paid too much attention to others? You feel left out?

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No it doesnt. It seems to me like a townie would ask me why im townreading people instead of trying to shade me up.

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I think AI/droog are where we should be lynching.

AI is obnoxious VI or scum.

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how tiring your push is.

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What happened here?

You went from 1 to 2 without even mentioning UTL.

Read List D1 V2

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher, Keyser}

{Performer, UpTooLate}

{Lilac, Massive}

{Burning_Earth}

{Deus, Heat}

{Axle, Raskolnikov}

{Pisskop}

Read List D1 V3

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher, Keyser}

{Deus}

{Performer}

{Lilac, Massive, Burning_Earth}

{Axle, Heat}

{UpTooLate, Raskolnikov}

{Pisskop}

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Your readlists looks like hot ass

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No, not from my experience with him. Weve played 1 completed game together, and I modded 1 game with town-him.

Town-him was a mason, and was much more introspective and cautious and methodical. He was actually on the border of being sluggish because he was so deep in thought occassionally.

Blitz 11 - AI had in depth reads an analysis. He made judgements after publicly displaying his logic
Scum AI pushes people with the least amount of work possible. He calls people scum and finds reasons to scumread them, but his thought process is one-way and his intent to lynch is made clear without the fluff of overanalysis.

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Maybe it was just my access to his mason-thread, where he could lay out his thoughts. But I dont think so.

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ffs. o/

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Good answer. I hope nobody else finds reason to question this unexplained change of heart.

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AI has completely neglected to follow up here:

This is so not your town game.

And in general this town is bad.

oh so were all waiting for him to act town?

AI, Droog has echoed my sentiments that you discuss my play and how you know ots town/scum. so far youve avoided answering these queries.

On that, not sure Im okay with droog voteparking, calling me null, and then defending me in aroundabout way

ai i want you to answer pk here

AI has yet to answer this question. AI just dodged a question about his reads. How long do you dumbasses want to keep up this charade instead of pressuring him?

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Good. Ima rope ya.

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Is AI not being scummy or are you guys just ignoring it?

Simple question.

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come to think of it
pisskop cant just repeat his question
he has to drag my request for it in too

like he needs cover

Excuse me?

You asked the question and then dropped it. What a shitty line of logic

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Its like you looking for excuses to vote me.

When somebody else raises the same question as you, it lends credibility to your question. To try to call me scummy for raising it as a valid point when the question is unanswered looks like you never cared about the question to begin with.

And if you didnt care why did you ask?

Ya no, Im kool with voting you too.

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Then vote. Id love to 1v1 you. You arent good enough to beat me.

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Droog asks why credibility is important in social games. gtfooh. Notice how he doesnt comment about his dropping the question.

Why would you ask a question you then never mention again?

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Droog has no case of his own, or even much to add. He plans to piggyback of ai?

I mean, if I were going to steal other people's cases Id at least make sure that

A) They havent begun the process of recanting their statements
B) Its actually a convincing 'case' and not just a jumble of quips.

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vote: drrog

just to remind you guys of whats important here.

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Y?

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Like fuck son, lets drop the thing where we make shllow remarks and then ignore any follow up Qs.

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The case. Its so wow.

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Instead of pushing something coherent and tidy he's pumping out pellet after pellet, hoping his shotgunning will stick somehwere.

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^^ World's longest omgs ^^

Ive seen scum who literally spam whole pages out with their flail, but this is the longest leadup to a set of reads based on who scumreads them ever.

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I dont care which, and Ill read up Sunday, but one is going atp.

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I never had droog pegged for simple-minded.

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✔ posts pictures in thread
✔ calls others trolls
✔ feeds proposed trolls
✔ claims to be town or haves strong logic

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its cute because its irony on multiple levels

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Boon is natural lurker.

we arent D1 lynching Boon when his entire life story is lurking. Maybe tomorrow if he doesnt come out

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Yes, go be dumb

Dont check meta or onsite activity. Vote willy nilly.

Why am I in this game if nobodies bringing their A game?

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Why do I only draw scum 20% of the time? I win as scum 80%. Not fair

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Why do I only draw scum 20% of the time? I win as scum 80%. Not fair

@mod

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Do I?

Do

you

care to quote games? We know that AI wont, and we know that you dont really care even though youll ask about it.

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ffs. All these unsubstantiated claims in this game.

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Do I?

Do

you

care to quote games? We know that AI wont, and we know that you dont really care even though youll ask about it.

You won't quote my games either.

Except I did. Several times now.

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just because you think you play differently
doesnt mean that you do
its still the same peorson underneath

Was I scum there?

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Im tempted to post a woody Toy Story gif.

'reach for the sky'

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You win some you lose some.

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The difference between the two is everything my little heart could desire.

vote: ai

I dont even think itd take my special brand of meta to see that youre pointed and goal-driven instead of in a problem solving mode.

If you cant tell the difference between someboy trying to solve a puzzle and somebody who is pushing for an end goal by activly pushing pieces together I dont know if I can help you

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We're like brothers. This is how I know he is scum.

If Pisskop is scum, then one of the people defending him is probably scum, too.

So: Axle or Raskolnikov.

Read List D1 V3

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher, Keyser}

{Deus}

{Performer}

{Lilac, Massive, Burning_Earth}

{Axle, Heat}

{UpTooLate, Raskolnikov}

{Pisskop}

@AlwaysInnocent - why are you scum-leaning UpTooLate? I understand your other reads.

I will explain this later. I don't want to give any hints if they are scum.

I made a declarative statement that although I razzed him I had a townlean there.

Of course you did.

Again with the OMGUS.

Do I?

Do

you

care to quote games? We know that AI wont, and we know that you dont really care even though youll ask about it.

You won't quote my games either.

a whole lot of hubris for one. avoiding questions for two, unexplained readshifts for 3

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oh. its also apparent you arent reading 4

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a whole list of reasons to want to put you down

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well I wouldnt call it 'hubris' per se

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ill read up tomorrow since holiday monday

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I feel extra giving today. heres a selection that demonstrates how I play mafia

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62883 - mewbie 1626 - a lot of people still tell me how awesome that PP lynch and subsequent was

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=63531 - 610 - Completely owned. not a little ownage, complete 100% domination

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=62348 bbmollas micro - mmmmm

theres oc others but if I were scum you wouldnt knowit until it was too late.

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Im predatory and cunning as scum. its when I make perfect sense that you should worry.

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Reach for the sky, partner!

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Anytime you want to answer my questions. or droogs questions. or keysors questions.

were all waiting for you to do the one thing youve so far refused to do

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you asked it. and he ignored it. stop enabling his poor play if you think he is town. and stop ignoring it if he is null

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Im awful confused why people think Im an easy lynch.

Without a reread and a redo of my reads I agree with boons quite a bit. That was ptown of him

AI, your siddling away from Qs is going to get you lynched. your game isnt polished enough to get away with not answering

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i wish those were links to posts instead of offsite stuff.

I think today has been civil and informative

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as long as people dont ascribe alignments to nonalignment indicative data we should have townreads and reasons for them.

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VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
He was scum in my last game.

Null. its awkward enough to be scum, innocent enough to be newbtown.


31 is weird.

Ircher, If you think Axle's the scummiest player in the game, why do you still have your vote on Innocent?

Well, I don't want to be constantly changing my vote, there isn't enough evidence to show he's scum (he's the scummiest at the time I made that post), and we're still in RVS for the most part.

@Keyser - Never did I say everyone else thought Axle was the scummiest; it is just the reasoning they presented that made me decide he was scummiest imo.
Your questioning over a simple statement od opinion seems overly defensive (especially in RVS) and suggests the two of you are scum buddies. With that being said, you have replayed Axle at the top of my scum list.

UNVOTE: AI
VOTE: Keyser

theory says its optimal to vote for the player you believe to be the scummiest. In addition, instead of voting for the scummiest player he votes for keysor?

^^This, kiddos, is what we call as association should on flip scum.


40, 42 looks mildly town, but nothing about them is unfakable.

1. Tell me why only scum-AxleGreaser could have asked for my opinion on fake claiming, why not town-AxleGreaser?

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Whoops, didn't pay attn when submiting....

^^ this sends flags up all over. Its nothing concrete, but I dislike everything about it. Maybe newb with odd syntax?


94 is fairly townish


Unlike most people, I dont really care that he wuld push a PL. I would and have pushed them as both alignments. Theyre a challenge to get, but damned if they arent satisfying when you get to impose you morality on the town. Even if the person flips town, the vindcation is sweetness.



115 is whatever. Not really effective rhetoric, not really making himself look town or showing townsigns.

213: did I mention that I dont really like readlists, especially on D1? Too many, too masterbatory, too. *Look*, hes even included himself on the list, on his own little tier, for his own little (nonprovable) reason. Entirely worthless to me.
however, he is the first to really get on RAS if Im not mistaken. Thats definitely a townie quality when I compare it to what else Ive seen from him.

230 is town. I got bored after but I gotta end up thinking his lynch is suboptimal.

Fixed formatting of post tags!

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Well piss, I done did ruin the bbcode.

@mod

can you fix by changing the <[/line]> to <[/post]>?

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VOTE: pisskop
Not serious.

WTF why are you guys lynching pisskop
UNVOTE:

Not alignment indicative, but slightly oppurtunistic.

That's bs he was L-1. Your flagrant disregard for life is a suspicious reaction. +1

Except I wasnt and the second half is trolling. Notehing concrete here, but I do love when people are wrong.

Keysor are you trying to not take responsibility for your vote because it was a sheep?

And then dont apologize and instead push somebody who was honest all the way about sheeping? 1 is worse than 2, bu 2 is more alignment (or dumbass) indicative.

Townreading Heat and UTL at this point.

Heat I think is more town than UTL, but are any of these reads challenged or explained?


315 is bleh. Stepping out of the game for a second.
While your life is your life, and bad things will inevitably happen or you will get sidetracked in meatspace, you shouldn't try to let it affect your perfromance here. While I don't think you crossed the line where you actively defended yourself with it I do think that the less you mention about your troubles the better. You have all our sympathies, Im sure, and our condolences if they are required, but there's a GD thread for those things, and a speakeasy if it could get

really

emotionally charged. As a regulated game that stuff has to be taken the same way a baseball or football game would take that information. The show goes on, and you should consider replacing out if the stress becomes too much. It is frankly AtE to use an event in your life as an active excuse for play in a game you volunterally play. Not that you are doing so, its just an issue I have come to blows over before; and likely will continue to do.
Its not alignment indicative, but rather genuine.


320 is somewhat redeeming. I dont think I have too much to say about the actual content before I reread and follow the chain of events more carefully.

As far as I'm aware counterwagon just means the opposing wagon to come up and get momentum after the previous one

<3 All of this. Counterwagon is a very misused term, or at least one used in a narrower scope than it should be. Like the word 'relationship', if you will.


413 My interest is begining to wane again, but he states some points I can agree with, and the logic isn't bad. Ive been harboring some suspicions of Axle for a bit now. I want to get to him and also perhaps a reread of the game eventually.



Im less eager to do this.

Fixed formatting of post tags!

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@mod

i voted for pisskop a while ago

except you didnt.

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poor droog.

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He doesnt have enough on Ras?

Was my iso of him just fabricated?

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@Keysor

What is your read on Axle again?[/b]

Ima ask in his iso too.

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ffs. Im trying to multitask. Yup, I blame that.

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You could also explain your scum read on Pisskop. Please and thank you.

Good, now that 4 players have asked.

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When not sure what to make of it.... if youare trying to figure the game out... you ask a bleeding question.

Posts like these are exactly how I feel about AIs early game. It was a shitty play, and while it seems it was an attempt to steer RVS it was shitbad. It leaves room for scum to follow, an excuse for town players to stay quiet (and thus scum can too), and suppose you found scum; only the least capable of adaptation would fold under such silliness.

It was a bad play that threatened to ruin early game; and you should be ashamed if you are town AI. Youve hurt the game.

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First

VOTE: Pisskop

01. pisskop
02. Burning_Earth

You're Second, Pisskop was first. :/
VOTE: Burning_Earth

tee-hee

Speaking of Stalking...

Keyser whats your

general

opinion of fake claiming?

I know people got onto the emphasis he put on 'general' fake claiming. If somebody asked me that I'd give them the textbook answer, and I have to admit Im not sure wht he hoped to gain from it. Maybe he thought that Keysor can appreicate explicit detail and would have produced a short wiki article worth of theory?
Nothing to write home about, but likely part of axle's personality.


9 The whole thing looks pointless to me. It still doesnt tell what he hoped to learn. And don't tell me he hoped to learn if Keysor was more opposed to them. Possibly written off as asking a detail-oriented poster about a topic, but I dont see the need to so early.


51 He asks why people are taking 7 as alignment indicative. For a person who claims to be used to dealing with 'the masses' (my term) and seems to recognize that he is often misunderstood he's sure not interested in either explaining himself so they can understand it or simply exercising proper judgement. It was a rather random question asked for unknown reasons early in the game. RQS? Maybe possible, however most RQSers I know tend to ask several questions or ask several people. Seems inefficient at the least.

RVS read

Again, RQS? If I had caught this early enough I would have followed up on it. As it sits its evidence he wasnt engaging in RVS proper or he isnt opposed to it.

@Keysor: What is your read on Axle again?

As was also indicated that arose from reading games

Dont call it stalking; just call it reading other games out of interest or meta-ing people.

I considered it possibility that kaiser might be tilted about fake Claims.

BUT WHY WAS IT A QUESTION YOU CHOSE TO ASK IN RVS? The motivation for doing such a dubious thing is in question.
I'm having a hard time seperating the wheat from the chaff with Axle. I guess I should 'stalk' him a little . . .

We (Ircher and I) will have a chat.

Wonder if this happened . . .
It kind of did, in 118. He gave a decent assessment of him, and seems to have read up on the game in question. Which I frank;ly dont know if he would be as scum.

meme lords like pro.
reasons like buzz saw.
As scum: has no scum meta.
As town: while hes on the money, with some observations about intent etc(33), like hes a seasoned player from elsewhere that has come here. (hence scary the first time he rolls scum), I also see signs hes relatively new to the game as a whole(but that is more a feeling).
As a player that reasons like buzz saw, when he rolls scum he may be scary. Maybe not the first time he does, but before long.

his is good stuff. I cant call it town stuff, but its a good assessment of Keysor.


Im losing interest and Id have to committ myself to a metadive of Axle, but 282 felt weird, like a restating of my posts which he had just quoted. My initial impression is that they went through a translator into 'his language', so I thought maybe he was trying to assess me or that I was hereto misunderstood or even trying to sympathize with me. *shrugs*


288 is his meta on me. The gist seems to be that Im ornery and that I ignore 'bystanders' to attack 'insiders'. Actually the impression I got was that he compared me to scholars debating in a forum while bystanders occassionally pipped up to incorrectly add their 2 cents and get ignored. I prefer the idea of being a 'civilized barbarian' . Analogies aside, its clear he used meta information and apparently read enough to pick out highlights.
Effort is not alignment indicative, but its easy to think it is.

More detailed analysis of specific points in Pisskops play yet to come.

I think one of the largest problems Im having here is determining his motivation. Why is he doing what he does?
Did he do the above, or was what he did sufficient? If he didnt do it because he didnt have to I cant call that outright scummy because its always optimal to do the least amount of effeort required to reach your goals.


Other posts like 327 have some info, but meh . . .
412 is a push on Ras, and thats something we can contrast him to later. So Im okay with it even if I thinks its mostly based on nothing strong.

He confuses me with his take on droog in 438. Did it not suffice to say that Droog was nullreading me, voting me, and then defending me by using AIs posts about me to challenge AI?



I think he's pushing to hard on Ras for unvoting in RVS. Its a compliment to a full case, but hardly strong enough to be the case by itself.

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only the least capable of adaptation would fold under such silliness.

And comments like these make me think I wasn't wrong.

Youre welcome to show me bending like a brittle stick under pressure.

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but you have outstanding questions, and Im running out of places Id vote before you.

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Im bored now. I hope that helped people. I think I would vote performer, offhand for how he enetered the game and his level of activity.

I nullread Axle atp, if it wasnt clear. Theres a lot of effort thats implied; a lot. But its nothing I consider town, and I do have trouble with him.

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o.o



delightful.

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rather than acknowledge that my primary issue with AI is his boisterous play and question dodging you continue to oversimplufy it in epeen contest

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1 day, 16 hours, 45 minutes

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What do you think of performer?

Id vote it.

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vote: performer

lest I be accused of probing

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I dont need a list of people you'd murderize. I prefer if you kept that list to yourself. It should be evident by your postings anywho.

Im not 100% on board with a ras lynch, but Id consolidate there if need be.

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Because it becomes more obvious in hindsight? Oppurtunity is everywhere, its only really obvious when its shallow.

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vote: ras

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I work until for the next 6 hours but I want to get aperformer iso in at least. We'll see.

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droog's all over the place. It may be worth lynching him tomorrow.

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No, not likely.

I dont see the resemblence though, so.

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We arent basing our reads off NK Spec.

Thats likely half of what that kill was for

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If your reads arent sufficient to go of of than something is wrong

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thats a good vote

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performer is scum because hes following his scum meta. But if the poor attempt to read performer is what will get votes then good too

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heehee

performer is voting me and stringing up tge vaguest of cases

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im not exactly townreading Goldenrod either

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Ho can you all stop putting yourself at the top of your own readslist?

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Thats like me refering to myself as townkop instead of using the pronouns 'I' or 'me'.

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Its dumb.

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vote: performer

Can we get some progression here?

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Im happy with were we are. I think its possible that scumboons would push for one person, but thats not really solid.

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(0.2/9)

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No.

0.2/9 decimal fractions best fractions.

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Or you know, a percentage. Everybody loves their percenages, even when they dont mean anything.

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fun with numbers.

Anywho, reading massive based on his total posts is meh at best. Thats like trying to read boons based on total posts or me.

Some games Im in I make up 20% of the total post counts.

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that seems fairly weak. theres no contest between wagon length, and the only way to even even-out the wagons is to pull people off performer.

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With performer so close to lynch Id expect somebody who scumreads them both to vote perf now and push ichir.

OR, Id expect somebody who wanted to weigh their scumreads to, you know, push, interact, and ask questions.

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Id lynch utl too

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No. You get back on this wagon.

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Him.

psure performer is a he.


Now listen here, Im sherrif of this here town, and I also jus' happen to be the champion of this here wagon. Get. Back. On. or give me reasons Im wrong.

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performer

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yolo

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vote: utl

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Someone should hammer utl

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Someone should hammer utl

Why'd you switch from Performer to UTL.

I want an answer from you.

I hope you understand when I dont care what you want

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@Performer

I need a list of your updated reads.

VOTE: Performer

What happened in the five minutes you spent justifying you vote?

[pisskop]

pony, pony, pony,

what are you upset about now?

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hi ho we need 2 more

[pisskop]

I dont understand my wagon

Its only been coming since Day 1

[pisskop]

Dont vote me

I appeal to you; I beseech thee as if yee were the heaven's above! :C

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Robster is having a field day out here, trying to paint up my switch as the scummiest fucking thing ever. Tell me, why would you ask for him to post and then 5 minutes later try to hammer?

Youre playh is lackluster, your opinions unimportant, and your reactions overdrawn. Its almost like youre sad you arent hammering. Do you want some kind of credit for it or something?

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You leave an awful bad taste in my mouth

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Im not the one too weak to successfully push people.

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Nobody in this game has the power to force my lynch. And as such Im declining to answer.

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Now, are we going to no-lynch or we gonna hit up utl?

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pisskop you got 20 minutes to make me believe UTL or I'm hammering Performer.

Thats shit stop being a bad player.

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If you hammer Ill come after your head tomorrow

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Good. 1v1.

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Fucking retards. Like you guiz cant recognize town from scum

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Tomorrow we go after massive.

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vote: massive

Fucking lurky moron

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Like are all of you so goddamn stupid you cant read a players readslist and be like 'Oh shit, thats actually really genuine'?

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And then goldenrod wants to compensate for being crap at mafia by spreading general shade in my direction?

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RC looks like ass, utl is still a good place to wagon, and massive needs to die for being terrible

[pisskop]

Go suck an egg. Youre the main reason that fuckawful lynch went through

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pk acting like he'se the angel in all of this

When did you become a confirmed town again?

The moment I went against the most obvious mislynch in the history of Dier games.

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Yea just sit in your special little corner and vote when I tell you to. Youve lost your adult card

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No, youre crap for not playing the game rc.

Dont try to spin out of it.

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Good. im glad were here on the same.

Midterms?

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Its clear he wrote it before the daybreak. I still say town.

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Go do actual things.

This isnt things. This is ignoring th obvious newbiness of his post to vote him. And it looks bad.

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Y?

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I dont have shit to answer for, young man