Mini 1755: Game Over

[droog]

Read List D1 V1

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher}

{Performer}

{Lilac, Heat}

{Massive}
{Mafiaturtle}
{Burning_Earth, Deus}

{Raskolnikov}

{Pisskop, Keyser, Axle}

Read List D1 V2

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher, Keyser}

{Performer, UpTooLate}

{Lilac, Massive}

{Burning_Earth}

{Deus, Heat}

{Axle, Raskolnikov}

{Pisskop}

Read List D1 V3

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher, Keyser}

{Deus}

{Performer}

{Lilac, Massive, Burning_Earth}

{Axle, Heat}

{UpTooLate, Raskolnikov}

{Pisskop}

Read List 1.4

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher, Keyser}

{Deus}

{Performer, Droog, Raskolnikov}

{Axle, Boonskiies, Massive}

{Pisskop}

{UpTooLate, Heat}

i agree a lot more with\
what your readlist has become

[Ircher]

My case on Droog:

1. In 299, Droog writes "the

only

thing stopping a vote

right now

is that ircher is newer and probably not in the swing
still really think keysey hammered him" -

The way this is worded is weird to me. Look at what I italicized and bolded. What this basically states is that my inexperience kept Droog from voting me when writing the post. Which, like I said, reading 2 pages out of 12+ pages in a thread is not enough justification for a vote. I understand I looked scummy on page 2, but heck, that's

only page 2

of this game. I prob. wouldn't be suspicious of this post except for the fact that my page 2 behavior seems to warrant an automatic vote. You'd be perfectly fine just saying that you think I'm scum so far, but this seems more oportunistic than anything else. You saw an opportunity to try to lynch me and took it.

2. In 301, Droog apparently decides to state that AI's read list is backwards in a very weird way. -

The biggest problem I have here is your so called "quip". Anyway, I saw this as a scumslip as I've explained before.

3. 303 is completely irrelevent and considering we're no longer in RVS, I don't see why he made it.

4. Neither you nor Ras has explained the alarm bells. Personally, I don't see the huge problem with those posts.

5. Maybe I'm not explaining well, but Droog just didn't get me when he wrote 430. -

"what you have is me saying your entrance was scummy and if you werent experienced i wouldve voted on it" - Exactly. I'm fine with the former, but find the latter oportunistic.

6. In 432, Droog misinterprets my wish to hear other people's thoughts as an attempt to get confirmation to switch votes to Ras. -

First of all, you completely missed the motive of my post. Which means, you're either ignorant, scum misleading town, or I am doing a poor job expressing my thoughts. Second of all, you claim I am trying to get permission to change votes. Do you take me to be an idiot? I am well aware I do not need permission to change votes. Third, the longer the day, the better for town, as ton can get more info. So, rather than stay on the Ras wagon and lynch probable scum, I take the time to switch focus to another person and attempt to find the other scum. Bearing this in mind, I always know that if deadline is near, I can always switch to the Ras wagon. My post was completely town motivated. I see this as another post attempting to mislead town.

7. Consensus is necessary to arrive at the right conclusions. Although, I could've worded that response post a little better. See point #6.

8. In 437, you decide to vote ,e at

12:11 AM

my time complaining I had not answered your concerns despite the fact that I specifically stated "I will post my case tommorrow". Give me time to answer -

I understand your arguments, but the timing of your vote is rather unreasonable.

9. In 449, you attack AI for "whiteknighting" me. -

No problem with that part but there is something else I want to address here. You state I am not the perfect town read. I completely agree with you on that. But, let me ask you, are you the perfect? I think not. Do you make mistakes? I'm sure you do even if you don't admit to it. Therefore, AI is using my meta (as he played a game with me) as the basis of his read of me. If AI thought I was being inconsistent in my play style, he'd prob. call me out on it. Here, A is simply saying that ya'll haven't provided enough AI enough evidence to show I am scum. You accuse me of doing the same thing to you, so why don't you present a case on me yourself? (Note - I nullread this post)

10. Last point: your slot got replaced. While not necessarily alignment indicative, it does add some weight to my scumread of you.


I will admit I kinda exaggerated when I had said I'd nail Droog, but nonetheless, this is my ISO on Droog and why I think we should lynch him.

[Ircher]

Reading through ISO's. Something in Ircher's just bugs me.

111

I would jump on Pisskop's wagon for his very pooor conduct except he's at L-2 right now... Still, maybe we should policy lynch him?

This is normal behavior for me. I'm against early lynches.

115

I think he would deserve a Policy Lynch, but as I stated, I'm not jumping on the wagon because there is a good chance I'm wrong and pisskop is just being stubborn.

PL doesn't have anything to do with scum/town

234

I am suggesting PL Pisskop.

He isn't contributing much and refuses to be civil or make decent, constructive posts. Instead, he keeps trolling everyone and making the game unpleasant. If he doesn't get replaced, I strongly sugges Policy Lynching him.

279

Personally, I'm thinking the

most likely scum canidates are

: Book (who replaced Burning Earth), Lilac, Ras, Heat, and

Pisskop

.

Then in 350 (2 of his posts later):

I am of the opinion that Pisskop is town by this point.

He would have to be either very brave or very stupid to behave as he has as scum.

My reasoning is very logical here and town motivated.

Pushes for a PL over and over and over again, but doesn't want to be the one to do it. Nobody else is on board with him, so he jumps ship to Droog.

The rest of his posts just aren't convincing, and he doesn't seem solid on his reads

(seems like he could be easily swayed)

. I don't like this.

We'll see about that........

VOTE: Ircher

[UpTooLate]

My attention has shifted to UpTooLate and Heat now. I am pretty sure at least one of them is scum. Both are highly opportunistic.

Can you please explain how I'm opportunistic?

[droog]

1. In 299, Droog writes "the only thing stopping a vote right now
is that ircher is newer and probably not in the swing
still really think keysey hammered him" - The way this is worded is weird to me. Look at what I italicized and bolded. What this basically states is that my inexperience kept Droog from voting me when writing the post. Which, like I said, reading 2 pages out of 12+ pages in a thread is not enough justification for a vote. I understand I looked scummy on page 2, but heck, that's only page 2 of this game. I prob. wouldn't be suspicious of this post except for the fact that my page 2 behavior seems to warrant an automatic vote. You'd be perfectly fine just saying that you think I'm scum so far, but this seems more oportunistic than anything else. You saw an opportunity to try to lynch me and took it.

> you saw an opportunity to try to lynch me and took it
> by not voting

m8 if id wanted to lynch you i wouldnt be plotting about it
ai keeps coming to your defense because
im not the only one suspicious

if id wanted you idve voted you
instead i saw something really scummy and waited
because newness often explains scummy

[droog]

keysey have you considered taking over mastin academy

youre mocking this
it means that keysey is a good player
which means i think keysey is on the same page as me

just becauseyou dont see the purpose
doesnt mean its bad

now if you can ascribe scum motive to this
('droog is flattering')
you might have something

[droog]

and if you werent experienced i wouldve voted on it" - Exactly. I'm fine with the former, but find the latter oportunistic.

if i was scum trying ot lynch you
oportunistically
i wouldnt go screaming about how i dont want to lynch you

[droog]

Consensus is necessary to arrive at the right conclusions.

[droog]

8. In 437, you decide to vote ,e at 12:11 AM my time complaining I had not answered your concerns despite the fact that I specifically stated "I will post my case tommorrow". Give me time to answer - I understand your arguments, but the timing of your vote is rather unreasonable.

do you actually think i
looked up your fucking timezone
when we were in the middle of talking to each other

[droog]

ai if youre going to contine
to defend irchir

i really want some explanation
about why all the above is somehow towny

[UpTooLate]

Ircher,

I don't like early lynches either. The point was that you spent all that time pushing a PL, even though nobody else agreed, and

wouldn't do anything about it.

If you want a lynch that bad, show some initiative and take the plunge. Don't sit there and keep requesting a PL hoping someone will jump on that train with you so you have a legit excuse if he flips town.

I understand that a PL isn't alignment related. That had nothing to do with my point. You specifically said that you thought Pisskop was scum, and 2 posts later when nobody was on your PL PK train, you said you thought he was town and dropped the PL (for now?).

Later, you state your scum reads, but the way you did it seemed more like you were testing the waters to see if people were going to go along with them, rather than being confident in them yourself. Why should I feel comfortable with your reads if you don't seem like you are yourself?

[AlwaysInnocent]

In my last game with Ircher, where he was town, we talked a lot about policy lynches (e.g., when someone self-voted). This might have influenced his view on policy lynches. Just saying.

[UpTooLate]

In my last game with Ircher, where he was town, we talked a lot about policy lynches (e.g., when someone self-voted). This might have influenced his view on policy lynches. Just saying.

Noted.

[pisskop]

Since Deus is outing, I had a slight townead on the slot

[pisskop]

vote: droog

Ill read up today or tomorrow though and make a final choice.

[AlwaysInnocent]

What's wrong with wanting to compare reads, by the way? Should you be highly confident about your reads at this point?

I know I am. I have already solved the game. But other people?

[Ircher]

1. Well, besides voting, what else is there you can do. Voting Pisskop really wouldn't be a good idea imo at the time.
2. I justified myself, did I not? Also, 2 posts could mean a difference if there is a lot of communication in between the postsm
3. Ok, yes, my reads do tend to change quite a bit. The thing is, I am pretty comfortable with my current reads even if it doesn't sem like it. Anyway, the main catalyst is when I reconsider things and possibilities. Games are dynamic, not static, so try to keep my reads the same way. As we get closer to the end, my reads will begin to narrow down.

I guess you do have a point here though.

@Droog
No, but I do expect you to take the hint of me not posting for an hour after stating "I'll post my case tommorrow".

And, you have not been screaming not to vote me. You've done the exact opposite by voting me.

[pisskop]

Voting Pisskop really wouldn't be a good idea imo at the time.

Y?

[Ircher]

You accuse me of doing the same thing to you, so why don't you present a case on me yourself?

@Droog

[Ircher]

@Pisskop I meant "that" -- typo

[AlwaysInnocent]

Since Deus is outing, I had a slight townead on the slot

How is that alignment indicative?

[pisskop]

Its not.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Then I don't understand what you're saying.

[pisskop]

I made a declarative statement that although I razzed him I had a townlean there.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I made a declarative statement that although I razzed him I had a townlean there.

Of course you did.