Mini 1755: Game Over

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 1.02

Pisskop (2): Burning_Earth, Raskolnikov
Keyser Söze (2): Deus Asmoth, Ircher
AlwaysInnocent (1): Heat
Burning_Earth (1): AxleGreaser
Ircher (1): AlwaysInnocent
Mafiaturtle (1): lilac
AxleGreaser (1): Performer
Performer (1): Keyser Söze

No Vote (3): pisskop, Mafiaturtle, massive

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(expired on 2016-01-20 12:00:00)

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[AxleGreaser]

Umm... I already quoted it when answering above; mainly because he asked about fakeclaiming when he's rather experienced.

I get that you(and some others) didn't/don't understand why I made post 7.

I dont get that:

You personally somehow equate that with scum indicative.

Personally, I think Axle has been the most scummy so far,

Please explain.

[AxleGreaser]

Oh, while normally I like to wait for my RVS read to merit an unvote.
UNVOTE: Burning_Earth

I am out of RVS (just)
VOTE: Ircher

[AxleGreaser]

Umm... I already quoted it when answering above; mainly because he asked about fakeclaiming when he's rather experienced.

I get that you(and some others) didn't/don't understand why I made post 7.

I dont get that:

You personally somehow equate that with scum indicative.

Personally, I think Axle has been the most scummy so far,

Please explain.

and by explain you need to say why it is "most scummy", or "scummiest at the time",

there isn't enough evidence to show he's scum (he's the scummiest at the time I made that post),

You can also refer to the

the reasoning they presented that made me decide he was scummiest imo.

[AlwaysInnocent]

AI, youre full of piss and vinegar today?

Hello Pisskop. Are you scum this time?

[AlwaysInnocent]

UNVOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Pisskop

For being scum.

[pisskop]

eww. Its like you want me to push you for being shallow.

[AxleGreaser]

Spoiler: off topic

initiating playstyle imitations of Antihero, GuiltyLion, RadiantCowbells

Spoiler: more possibly OT

BTW that color renders horribly on my screen.

I know you said this was off topic, and thats ok, and was at that time.

This question is a little sidling up to something I don't understand, sideways. (AKA a clarification if you will)
Could you link me to one Antihero and one Guilty Lion, the 'playstyle imitations' are initiated for.
I have seen enough RC games, and dont need another linked.

I was unfamiliar with GL, but having had skim, any attempt to simultaneously imitate those 3 would make head explode.
basically I am wondering what common ground i can find in choosing those 3.

[Keyser Söze]

@AxleGreaser

- Ircher was simply using "most scummy" in a sense that I do think it means. Ircher was saying ''most scummy''/''scummiest'' but he really meant most suspicious/curious. In Ircher's own words:

"it is a relative term; it doesn't necessarily mean I think you're scum"

. Ircher joined mafiascum on November 10, 2015 - so I could see town-Ircher incorrectly using that word. I like how he understood why I overreacted too:

I guess I kinda implied it

Ok, I see where you're getting at Keyser. I wrote that poorly; I ment for the reasons others stated. Sorry for the confusion

+1

[Keyser Söze]

in a sense that I

do

think it means.

*

do not

[AxleGreaser]

@AxleGreaser - Ircher was simply using "most scummy" in a sense that I do think it means. Ircher was saying ''most scummy''/''scummiest'' but he really meant most suspicious/curious. In Ircher's own words: "it is a relative term; it doesn't necessarily mean I think you're scum". Ircher joined mafiascum on November 10, 2015 - so I could see town-Ircher incorrectly using that word. I like how he understood why I overreacted too:

Yes i see the distinction, curious vs Scummiest.
I see that he didn't understand the post 7 or 9. Or wondered why your post 8 ended with a laughing face. AKA (and hell I could be wrong about that.)(The response i expected when i wrote 7 would have had more meme gifs of people throwing up, maybe this one )
Or did he wonder why you posted my conclusions in the spoiler in 26.
There is rather lot, of not understanding going on,
and what i need to work out if its because scum PM means there is no need to, or that just is the level of analysis that is going to happen, from those slots.

I see the join date.... I am a going to try and be gentle.

he also...
voted you 39 "With that being said, you have replayed(sic) Axle at the top of my scum list."

4 minutes later saying,

Ok, I see where you're getting at Keyser.

and he is still voting you?

despite this post.

Ircher, If you think Axle's the scummiest player in the game, why do you still have your vote on Innocent?

I think Ircher and i need to chat.

You are voting performer. (and probing there) i think I have less problem with performers post 14.
AI 15 was Ok too, but not moving forward as result of being prodded 22 is ....
but again TBMK Always Innocent, tends to evoke this class of response.

eww. Its like you want me to push you for being shallow.

[AxleGreaser]

As a result of my exchange with Keyser, i have decided to add
Yet more clarification

Each of the

purple

bits in the posts below indicate you had ideas in your head that i was scummiest(most deserving of vote) and that the ideas were you own or ones you had identified and agreed with.

Please explain in as much detail as possible what those ideas were. Please dont just quote post like you think that makes it self evident. As you did in 31, instead post words that say in your own words why:

Personally, I think Axle has been the most scummy so far, as stated by other players.

Note: Even though i am town, and thus your read is wrong, I really don't mind. Although there are players that get all huffy about being scum read, you don't have to worry about offending me at all. You don't have to be right or even have good reasons, just reasons you actually thought about would be nice.

I am fully aware you have played one game, I am going to try and be nice.

Umm... I already quoted it when answering above; mainly because he asked about fakeclaiming when he's rather experienced.

I get that you(and some others) didn't/don't understand why I made post 7.

I dont get that:

You personally somehow equate that with scum indicative.

Personally,

I think

Axle has been the most scummy so far,

Please explain.

and by explain you need to say why it is "most scummy", or "scummiest at the time",

there isn't enough evidence to show he's scum (he's the

scummiest at the time I made that post

),

You can also refer to the

the reasoning they presented that

made me decide

he was scummiest imo.

[Keyser Söze]

With that being said, you have replayed Axle at the top of my scum list.

UNVOTE: AI
VOTE: Keyser

@AxleGreaser

- I believe Ircher was guilty of

confirmation-bias

here. The above quote you mentioned is key to my understanding of his vote on me. You were his #1 scum-read. He sees me apparently 'defending' your slot. Thus, he presumes I am scum, defending his scum-partner. I can see this being a natural reaction. I.e, if you were his #1 town-read, I do not think he would have voted me for "defending" you.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent

[Keyser Söze]

Similarly here:

VOTE: Keyser Söze

VOTE: Axle for asking about fake claim when he is a very experienced player

VOTE: Performer

This would seem to be at odds with your claim that you're not defending Axle. Why the proxy-OMGUS?

Once I understood Deus Asmoth's definition of a proxy-OMGUS:

Spoiler: Deus Asmoth's definition

It's possibly closer to chainsaw defending, but you didn't actually attack them in any way other than voting, so I didn't think it qualified. Essentially,

you were OMGUSing for Axle rather than for yourself

.

I understood his vote for me better. I would have only jumped on his vote if he'd gone down the "chainsaw defending" route. I can see why Deus Asmoth could have viewed my naked/unexplained vote on Performer as a proxy-OMGUS.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Time for a read list. The game has almost been solved already.

From town to scum:

Read List D1 V1

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher}

{Performer}

{Lilac, Heat}

{Massive}
{Mafiaturtle}
{Burning_Earth, Deus}

{Raskolnikov}

{Pisskop, Keyser, Axle}

[pisskop]

vote" AI

You keep not engaging. We'll see who wins

[AxleGreaser]

Time for a read list. The game has almost been solved already.

From town to scum:

{AlwaysInnocent}

{Ircher}

We appear to have opposite views on Ircher's alignment.
and as id like you to at some point vote the Ircher wagon with me...

Please explain your Ircher read?
It is based on?
If you persuade me I am wrong(and that hes top town as you say), that might free me up to follow one of your scumreads.

So i am afraid I cant join your pisskop wagon atm, because i fail to see a reason to. Do you have one you would like to share?
So
You could also explain your scum read on Pisskop. Please and thank you.

[Keyser Söze]

Why get so defensive about him?

Is there something we should know?

I am still not liking this question (too suggestive/leading in nature). I feel like AlwaysInnocent is caught somewhere between RVS and lolz.

Spoiler: RVS/lolz

I am town this time. Pinky swear.

Heat is scum too. He probably wants an easy lynch. Highly opportunistic.

Hello Pisskop. Are you scum this time?

VOTE: Pisskop

For being scum.

{Pisskop, Keyser, Axle}

Based on your read list I feel like you were infact serious. Show me why AxleGreaser/pisskop are "scum".

[AlwaysInnocent]

Please explain your Ircher read?

Ircher is just being Ircher. Trust me on this.

[AlwaysInnocent]

You could also explain your scum read on Pisskop. Please and thank you.

Why? You are scum too. No need to explain anything to scum.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Based on your read list I feel like you were infact serious. Show me why AxleGreaser/pisskop are "scum".

Why are you not asking about yourself? Is this because you know you are scum?

[Keyser Söze]

vote" AI

You keep not engaging. We'll see who wins

Are you friends with AlwaysInnocent (or have previous game experience with AlwaysInnocent)?

[I thought your interactions with eachother were not serious/banter Obviously not! ]

[AlwaysInnocent]

We're like brothers. This is how I know he is scum.

[Keyser Söze]

Based on your read list I feel like you were infact serious. Show me why AxleGreaser/pisskop are "scum".

Why are you not asking about yourself? Is this because you know you are scum?

I already know why you're voting for me based on your leading/unsupported post:

Why get so defensive about him?

Is there something we should know?

This means you think AxleGreaser and I are scum-partners.

Plus, I do not feel like I need to announce to the thread that I am town:

{AlwaysInnocent}

I'll let my scum-hunting do that for me

The problem is, so far you are spamming many empty accusations, but add no substance to them. Thus, people are challenging you, but your best defence is "We're like brothers", "No need to explain anything to scum", "Trust me on this." -

this is not productive

.

I'd prefer if you explained your posts/reads

. Yes, you could be testing for reactions, but it is so obvious it has become redundant/futile