Mafia 64: The New "C9" - Game over!

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #50 (isolation #0) » Sun May 27, 2007 11:02 am

Only average!

I'll show you average:

vote:Albert

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #76 (isolation #1) » Tue May 29, 2007 2:31 am

Sigh. Battle Mage, please stop distracting the town from lynching the ACTUAL scum. This is the primary problem with your playstyle. Trying to be unreadable is all fine and good, but acting like bad scum in every game gets tiresome, and is about the most unhelpful thing a townie can be.

Now, can we please cut the crap and lynch Albert? He's clearly the best lynch, unless we want to start metagaming BM by lynching him every day one... which is actually kind of appealing, now that I think of it...

And that's exactly the sort of distraction I'm talking about.

Can we get on, now?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #83 (isolation #2) » Tue May 29, 2007 6:25 am

Battle Mage wrote:lol why the hell would SK-BM be telling the town who to kill AFTER HE IS DEAD.
That makes no sense. also, i never get to be an SK

God that is such a scum tell. :\

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #84 (isolation #3) » Tue May 29, 2007 6:26 am

unvote, vote:Battle Mage

Might as well get it over with today.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #89 (isolation #4) » Tue May 29, 2007 7:47 am

Battle Mage wrote:lol before i die, can somebody explain the scumtell i have committed?
apart from pointing out the logical fallacy of YB, i havent actually said anything. lol
man, id hate to be the remaining protown players, when this happy wagon turns sour

Whinging about never getting a certain power role is typically a sign that you have a power role, usually anti-town.

Maybe I just want you gone. :\

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #97 (isolation #5) » Tue May 29, 2007 10:26 am

Battle Mage wrote:aww why do you hate me TCS?
is it coz i can read you like a book?
note, i do find Guardians departure from the hot wagon a bit scummy. enough to keep my vote on, until TCS responds to my question at least.

I answered the only question I saw from you already. Which one do you want answered.

And no, I don't hate you because you can read me, although I admit you have called my scum twice now. I dislike you because your gameplay is anti-town, even if you are town.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #110 (isolation #6) » Wed May 30, 2007 12:22 am

But see, when you pull out arguments like, "I act scummy when I'm town," you're implying that you're town in this game. I just can't stomach that play, even if it's you. Either you're going to have to learn to not make that terrible argument, or I'm going to keep voting for you. It's that simple.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #123 (isolation #7) » Wed May 30, 2007 2:30 am

Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yes, true, but I disagree with the BM wagon, and obviously my own wagon.

I was looking for either a) a Johhan wagon or b) someone who is not TCS, as I'm getting a pro-town read from him.

This is a funny thing to say, but I get nervous when someone claims to get a pro-town read on me. So few people do, it's almost like they have knowledge of my alignment.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #126 (isolation #8) » Wed May 30, 2007 2:51 am

I'd hesitate to consider out of thread things indicative of my towniness. I'm in an awful lot of games right now, probably half of them involve the issue I brought up.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #128 (isolation #9) » Wed May 30, 2007 3:20 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'd hesitate to consider out of thread things indicative of my towniness. I'm in an awful lot of games right now, probably half of them involve the issue I brought up.
Just being curious, What was the issue you brought up?

Whether or not it would be a good metagame play to lynch Battle Mage Day 1 in every game regardless of his alignment or role.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #131 (isolation #10) » Wed May 30, 2007 3:38 am

Albert, I know you're "on my side," but I'm not feeling comfortable with you at all at the moment.

Vote: Albert

This vote is probably temporary.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #133 (isolation #11) » Wed May 30, 2007 3:42 am

Albert B. Rampage wrote:Never, ever, ever say a vote is temporary.

So I've heard. Meh.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #135 (isolation #12) » Wed May 30, 2007 4:43 am

Glork wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Albert, I know you're "on my side," but I'm not feeling comfortable with you at all at the moment.
*raises eyebrow*

Thing is, people don't usually go out of their way to say I'm town. I'm a pretty consistent suspect in these games. For one, it's nice that someone believes me. However, that 'sucking up,' in a sense, combined with some of his other play, merits notice.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #142 (isolation #13) » Wed May 30, 2007 5:16 am

We hashed this over in the thread I posted. I've come to the conclusion that I'm going to more or less ignore his behavior unless he 1) brings up a good point or 2) acts more unusually than usual.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #159 (isolation #14) » Wed May 30, 2007 9:54 am

@ Beanbag: I wouldn't be worried about risking untimely lynchings until the votecount is about eight.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #172 (isolation #15) » Thu May 31, 2007 12:44 am

Anyone else think Hungry Joe was over-defending a little much?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #214 (isolation #16) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:11 am

Albert B. Rampage wrote:Hmm...

I claim vanilla townie

It's better to get lynched than claim vanilla. FYI.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #221 (isolation #17) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:13 am

I see why MBL would say that, although I obviously disagree as to my implications.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #226 (isolation #18) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:46 am

MrBuddyLee wrote:TCS's vote is on Albert.

If you think Albert is scum, then you don't tell him "u shuldnt claim vanilla", you tell him "BS". If you know Albert is town (because you're scum), you feel comfortable chiding him for being a townie who just made a bad play.

Claiming townie is a bad idea whether you're scum or town.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #230 (isolation #19) » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:53 am

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
MrBuddyLee wrote:TCS's vote is on Albert.

If you think Albert is scum, then you don't tell him "u shuldnt claim vanilla", you tell him "BS". If you know Albert is town (because you're scum), you feel comfortable chiding him for being a townie who just made a bad play.
Claiming townie is a bad idea whether you're scum or town.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #265 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:05 am

FOS: Shteven, FOS: Jack

One of these two is scum... take it to the bank.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #346 (isolation #21) » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:01 am

I think this bandwagon could use another member.

unvote, vote: guardian

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #383 (isolation #22) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:00 am

Just checking in so that you know I'm not completely gone. I think the Guardian wagon deserves more votes at the moment.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #385 (isolation #23) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:06 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Just checking in so that you know I'm not completely gone. I think the Guardian wagon deserves more votes at the moment.
If you think it deserves more votes, Why didnt you vote for it?

Also, Glork, I think at first the Albert Wagon was significant, but then, the way he reacted to himself being bandwagoned gave him more votes. Because if it was completlty baseless, Albert would probably not have as much votes as before.

See post 346.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #389 (isolation #24) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:45 am

Nope, no particular reason.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #436 (isolation #25) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:41 am

Hee you're so right and yet so wrong... is that a scumtell?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #444 (isolation #26) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:48 am

Jack is correct, I often act scummy on purpose.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #445 (isolation #27) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:49 am

EBWOP: I'm hesitant to vote yogurt because I get strong scum vibes from him in nearly EVERY game I'm in with him. So clearly my judgment is flawed in his case.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #464 (isolation #28) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:27 am

I wasn't acting scummy so people would get a read on me. I wanted to see who was most interested in shifting the wagon to me.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #465 (isolation #29) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:27 am

EBWOP *so people couldn't get a read on me

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #466 (isolation #30) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:31 am

I'm calling Guardian as SK. Anyone else feeling this?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #471 (isolation #31) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:44 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'm calling Guardian as SK. Anyone else feeling this?
[sarcasm]Loving the sudden jump on Guardian for no reason [/sarcasm]

And yet he has so neatly justified what was little more than a vote based on gut feeling and uneasiness about a couple of saying-everything-but-saying-nothing posts. Sometimes not stating your reasons gives people the opportunity to dig a little bit deeper into the OMGUS.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #472 (isolation #32) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:45 am

And now he's given up. Speedlynch plz kthx

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #475 (isolation #33) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:48 am

So are you Mafia or SK? Feel like claiming Vig?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #507 (isolation #34) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:50 am

Glork wrote:I still find Guardian to be reasonably scummy, and TCS is annoying me beacuse he's spamming and deliberately behaving stupidly, when he complained about BM's behavior earlier.

TCS, in all seriousness, I'd like you to explain in extensive detail why you have chosen to behave this way. Failure to explain yourself or an insufficient/spammy explanation will result in deeper interrogation. I don't know why you've decided to do this, but you're certainly not proving any point; nor are you accomplishing anything other than pissing other people off. Stop it.

I thought it would get a good reaction from the players in this game, because I was having trouble reading them. I got what I wanted. I'm in complete agreement with Jack--I'm comfortable with either a Yogurt, Albert, or Guardian lynch today. I still have bad feelings about Albert from earlier, plus his most recent blunder. I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.

And perhaps reacting as you did is. I didn't realize you were so touchy, Glork. Are you just angry at me for my recent posting on this site in general? If so, don't let it affect your gameplay. If you're town, doubly so, because irrational outbursts of anger aren't for the good of the town. Everyone needs you at your best.

Entertaining the possibility that you are scum, your attitude makes me think that you're overreaching on handing out false town tells. For example, under different circumstances I might think that your emotional protests about my gameplay would equal vanilla townie or investigative power role trying to direct the tone of debate. But as you put it, it comes off looking a little suspicious.

IGMEOY.

And it's just a game... if I can get over BM acting deliberately scummy in every game, you can get over me doing it in one.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #514 (isolation #35) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:01 am

@ Glork and Jack: Are you arguing that we move into full lurker-lynching mode?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #517 (isolation #36) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:06 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.

WHAT?
Are you kidding me? Even if the guardian one was scummy, you had done it before. Oh yeah. You did with Albert. You said that Alberts bandwagon needed more voters. Wether or not you are delberilty scummy or not, and im sorry for taking a line from you, but
I CANT STOMACH THAT PLAY!
That is the phrase that has made you a complete hypocrite because you said the
Exact
same thing to Bm about his play. I cant belive you are saying we are scum because we voted you. Looks more like Wifom. But seriously. You are going off the edge, and you are driving me off the edge. You are playing like a dirty little scum hypocrite that suspects pepole that vote him. Its just not the play that any of the town needs, as we need to find scum.
But you continue to act like scum then say oh just joking, I want to make so and so look very suspicous for suspect me as scum"
We need to find scum, not jokers. I mean, if there was a jester in this game, I would be 100% you would be the jester. Your On and off play sickens me and then blaming pepole for noticing it is even worse.

Confirm Vote: TCS, The Central Scrutinizer.
[/b]

Hold your horses. Let's get academic. Is it automatically scummy to

not

reveal your reasons for voting someone?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #525 (isolation #37) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:14 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I don't like how Yogurt and Guardian reacted to my posting. Based upon those reactions I would say Guardian and Yogurt are more probably anti-town. Anyone could have told you that I was deliberately not giving my reasons for the lynch. Reacting as they did is significant.

WHAT?
Are you kidding me? Even if the guardian one was scummy, you had done it before. Oh yeah. You did with Albert. You said that Alberts bandwagon needed more voters. Wether or not you are delberilty scummy or not, and im sorry for taking a line from you, but
I CANT STOMACH THAT PLAY!
That is the phrase that has made you a complete hypocrite because you said the
Exact
same thing to Bm about his play. I cant belive you are saying we are scum because we voted you. Looks more like Wifom. But seriously. You are going off the edge, and you are driving me off the edge. You are playing like a dirty little scum hypocrite that suspects pepole that vote him. Its just not the play that any of the town needs, as we need to find scum.
But you continue to act like scum then say oh just joking, I want to make so and so look very suspicous for suspect me as scum"
We need to find scum, not jokers. I mean, if there was a jester in this game, I would be 100% you would be the jester. Your On and off play sickens me and then blaming pepole for noticing it is even worse.

Confirm Vote: TCS, The Central Scrutinizer.
[/b]
Hold your horses. Let's get academic. Is it automatically scummy to
not
reveal your reasons for voting someone?
No, but you've encouraged pepole multiple times to put more votes on "X's" Bandwagon, Which I find is looking for a quick and easy lynch, so you can get back to night and kill off whomever you please.

Wow, and both times their posts got more frequent and substantive. It's almost like threatening someone with a lynch gives us more information or something.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #527 (isolation #38) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:17 am

Oh, and

unvote

. This business is getting way too wifomish for my tastes.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #598 (isolation #39) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:05 pm

I'm pretty sure I unvoted.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #656 (isolation #40) » Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:01 am

I love how the more experienced players think they have me figured out after just a couple games. Talk to Battle Mage... he always knows when I am scum.

And

vote: BillyTwilight

for fairly obvious reasons.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #702 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:16 pm

I agree with Glork on BM's alignment.

@ Billy: it's ok that you don't buy the lurkerhunting argument, but turning this thread into a policy discussion was distracting.

unvote

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #724 (isolation #42) » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:03 am

@#$%!

Why does everyone keep up with this mantra of me acting 'deliberately scummy'? What kind of fucked-up groupthink is this? Earlier in the game, I voted Guardian and refused to give a reason for it

this alone is not scummy, and whoever says so is lying to you

. Anything else you find scummy, you should

vote

me for, because I wasn't doing it on purpose.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #725 (isolation #43) » Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:06 am

And on a more productive note, I'd find Glork's slip-up more scummy if I hadn't nearly done it myself several times. Also, I agree with his analysis to the extent that I simply don't think he's scum.

I'll try to be more substantive with my posts, but having to actually do work at work will be hampering my ability to do so.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #733 (isolation #44) » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:17 am

Guardian wrote:
HackerHuck wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:@#$%!

Why does everyone keep up with this mantra of me acting 'deliberately scummy'? What kind of fucked-up groupthink is this? Earlier in the game, I voted Guardian and refused to give a reason for it
this alone is not scummy, and whoever says so is lying to you
. Anything else you find scummy, you should
vote
me for, because I wasn't doing it on purpose.
When you say something like this, do you really need to ask?

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Jack is correct, I often act scummy on purpose.
=o. TCS, I don't agree with lynch all liars. But backtracking is scummy :[ ]. Also, your thoughts on BM please?

HH, YB is my buddy. Sorry? He could be scum. I hope he's town. I think he's town. ;\.

I could move my vote onto Schteven, I did a quick re-read of his posts and at this point he could definitely be lurker scum... To be honest my scumdar needs some upgrades though :\.

Yes, I am backtracking.

I think that Battle Mage is town. I haven't seen any real indication that his play this game is significantly different from any other in which he has turned up town.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #735 (isolation #45) » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:37 am

Wait... why was BM replaced?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #736 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:38 am

EBWOP: Wow, that's ridiculous. Why the hell was he replaced?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #787 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:27 am

YogurtBandit wrote:Im think Im going to do a re-read, I know Ive confirmed voted TCS 6 times, but I'll look for other suspects.

FOS: YogurtBandit

By all means, stick to your guns. I don't see why you would need to look for anyone else if you've confirm voted me six times already. Clearly I should look to you like the most obvious lynch. The only reason you would need to do so is if you were just hunting for another wagon to hop onto.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #815 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:44 am

MrBuddyLee wrote:Two scumgroups, two kills.

The setup is pretty much open. There is only 1 scumgroup.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #817 (isolation #49) » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:05 am

Does this mean that MBL is confirmed town or do you think he did that intentionally?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #822 (isolation #50) » Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:41 am

Glork wrote:No, it means that MBL counted the SK as a "scumgroup" for the purpose of counting kills.

I was under the impression that "group" implied "more than one." Meh.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #834 (isolation #51) » Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:21 am

HackerHuck wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Does this mean that MBL is confirmed town or do you think he did that intentionally?
Why are you trying to confirm MBL from those statements. Even if you were right, that has no indication of his alignment. This is even fishier than Autumn's assertion that BM must be town.

To the contrary, honest mistakes about the game setup are a town tell. Fake ones may be a scum tactic.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #836 (isolation #52) » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:54 am

Yes, correlation does not equal causation, but it most certainly does equal correlation.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #866 (isolation #53) » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:16 am

Longest. Day. One. Ever.

Will be voting after reread.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #935 (isolation #54) » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:42 am

Call it a hunch, but

vote: Glork

. If one of Yogurt/Guardian were to be scum with him, I would probably have to go with Guardian.

I'm extremely uneasy when a player of Glork's reputation makes a comment to the effect of "I could lynch X or Y" without much accompanying analysis or opinion. In fact, the last time that Glork did so in a game I was in, he was scum, and one of the two players he mentioned was scum with him. That Glork mentioned he could go for a Shteven or Guardian lynch makes me think that should Glork come up mafia, Shteven is town and Guardian is scum.

Any vote I would make on Guardian would be predicated in a large part on the results of Glork's alignment. Other than that, he and Yogurt are equally appealing lynches, and I cannot vote for either without more to read.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #947 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:12 am

Glork wrote:TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.

I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.

I know you can make the argument that you play the same all the time, but that's simply not the case, because you explicitly played differently as a survivor in McDonald's mafia.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #950 (isolation #56) » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:34 am

Glork wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Glork wrote:TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.
I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.

I know you can make the argument that you play the same all the time, but that's simply not the case, because you explicitly played differently as a survivor in McDonald's mafia.
1) Ah, I remember now. But the situation in that game was fundamentally different than what we have here.
--a) It was a Newbie game. I could get a way with a lot more, since newbie players wouldn't be able to see the "he's presenting two players as approximately equal but ultimately shows a preference for a probable mislynch" tell. This game has several experienced (and talented) players. I would not be able to get away with the same maneuver here.
--b) That game was in LyLo. This game is in Day One. Once I "showed a preference for" that mislynch, the game was over. Nobody could come back on a later day and say that I was trying to distance from my scumbuddy. Were I in fact scum with one of the two players you mentioned, I would probably be called on it sooner or later.

2) You've never played a role that requires you to survive, have you? Survivor, SK, role-with-a-Survivor-condition... they require a different style of play altogether. Why? Because no matter what you do, no matter how many correct lynches or mislynhces the town as a whole attains, no matter what plans you lay out to drive yourself to victory -- it all means
nothing
if you are killed. Lights Out 1 had a "you must survive to actually win" mechanic for all players, and I freely and readily admitted that I was playing a strategy which I felt would help me survive to the late-game stages. You've tried to pre-empt a possible defense by saying that I've played a different strategy as a Survivor, but you seem to have missed the fact that
playing a Survivor requires a different strategy altogether.

Figured you'd say as much. I attempt to play every game to survive to endgame, because it's my experience that games in which I survive, my side wins. Games I die, my side loses. So maybe I interpreted your play as survivor as more akin to pro-town Glork than I should have.

That being said, your defense is reasoned enough to merit an

unvote

. Yet, have no doubt that should Guardian come up scum at any point, I will be considering the possibility that you simply slipped up. Even the best players screw up sometimes. IGMEOY.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #954 (isolation #57) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:18 am

inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

inHim's list'o scum
Guardian
HungryJoe
TCS
Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.

Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #957 (isolation #58) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:08 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

inHim's list'o scum
Guardian
HungryJoe
TCS
Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.
Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?
Sounds like WIFOM, really. Makes me even more sure this is Wifom by Inhim's response.I'd confirm vote you again, but after the 8th time it just gets old.

I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.

@InHim: Imagine for a second that I'm pablito. Would you consider my play scummy? Have you ever played a game with me? Why are you automatically considering my play scummy?

Oh, and

FOS: InHim

for being light on reasons for accusing me. I wish hypocrisy were a scumtell, because if it were, I'd vote for you.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #963 (isolation #59) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:51 am

vote: Shteven

I get the feeling I might be suiciding by hopping so much, but whatev. I really don't feel comfortable with YB or Guardian, so here goes.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #968 (isolation #60) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:04 am

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:Im think Im going to do a re-read, I know Ive confirmed voted TCS 6 times, but I'll look for other suspects.

FOS: YogurtBandit

By all means, stick to your guns. I don't see why you would need to look for anyone else if you've confirm voted me six times already. Clearly I should look to you like the most obvious lynch. The only reason you would need to do so is if you were just hunting for another wagon to hop onto.

Reasonable concern.

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.

Sarcastic joke.

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
vote: Shteven

I get the feeling I might be suiciding by hopping so much, but whatev.
I really don't feel comfortable with YB
or Guardian, so here goes.

I had already indicated not being willing to pick between YB and Guardian.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #971 (isolation #61) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:00 am

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I had already indicated not being willing to pick between YB and Guardian.
I missed it, quote it for me ?

935 I said they were "equally appealing" lynches.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #972 (isolation #62) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:03 am

Wow, I just realized how incredibly poorly I've been playing this game.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #994 (isolation #63) » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:29 am

I'm hesitant about Yogurt for the same reason I'm always hesitant about JDodge and Panzerjager--I always think they're scum.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #996 (isolation #64) » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:09 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:I'm hesitant about Yogurt for the same reason I'm always hesitant about JDodge and Panzerjager--I always think they're scum.
I'm also voting you, So im assuming you want to avoid Omgus voting?

Eh, I'm usually not too worried about OMGUS-voting. If I think you're scum, I think you're scum, and I'm definitely not sold on you as scum.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1027 (isolation #65) » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:25 am

unvote, vote: Glork

It was a mistake to unvote you.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1028 (isolation #66) » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:26 am

Reason: his exchange with Yos.

I don't doubt that Shteven looks scummy. But you are scum, science fact.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1122 (isolation #67) » Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:36 pm

Check the vacations/away thread.

I'm happy with the Glork-vote. I don't see any reason to join another bandwagon.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1287 (isolation #68) » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:35 am

I'm back, and I agree that the wagon on Albert was a little quick. However, we should keep in mind that tomorrow is the deadline and that being indecisive at this point could result in a no-lynch, which to me is simply not an acceptable Day 1 outcome. I still want to lynch Glork, but since it seems that no one is willing to chase that fuzz on Day 1, I am willing to vote yellowbounder or ABR. I think that at this point either choice gives us information to work with tomorrow.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1289 (isolation #69) » Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:39 am

Yea, people say YB and I get all 'Nam and shit.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1293 (isolation #70) » Mon Jul 09, 2007 4:48 am

inHimshallibe wrote:
Glork wrote:I tend to get skittish about crazyrapid bandwagons near deadlines. It seems to me that, more often than not, they come from overblown reasons and end up on townies. Perhaps I'm wrong this time. We'll see.

Like I said, the one good thing I *know* an Albertlynch would give us: Information.
Wow, this is so full of crap.

ANY lynch gives information.

Glork is scum. Would a vig please take care of this problem?

:goodposting:

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1309 (isolation #71) » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:19 am

The hop-off by Glork was a little too blatant, but I've seen it done by experienced players before.

vote: Albert B. Rampage

over Yogurt almost entirely because Glork hopped off and I think Glork is scum. Also Albert's lynch gives us a lot of info to work with at this point, what with all the attention on him today. Other than these two facts, Yogurt and Albert are even money in my eyes. However, those two facts are enough for me to make a call.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1408 (isolation #72) » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:41 am

Jesus Christ, if every day is as long as this one this game could set a record.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1436 (isolation #73) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:10 pm

Vote:Guardian

I would suggest chainsawing Glork tonight.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1443 (isolation #74) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:56 am

Ut-oh. BM is on the wagon. Time to get off it.

unvote: Guardian

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1444 (isolation #75) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:57 am

Oh, and

Vote: Battle Mage

. A birdy told me.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1455 (isolation #76) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:11 am

Question-- does the SK hitting scum increase Glork's odds of being the SK?

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:32 am

They may also have shot the same person as scum. But you're right, we shouldn't count our power roles before they hatch. Or something.

That Billytwilight can honestly think I'm scum at this point makes me question his judgment about everything else.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:17 am

Jack wrote:"
That Billytwilight can honestly think I'm scum at this point makes me question his judgment about everything else. "

All he said was he didn't like one of your posts.

I'm sure he'd mention his discomfort because of my overwhelming townie-ness.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:53 am

Kay. So...

We gonna wagon Glork? As previously mentioned, I will join this likely failure of a wagon.

unvote, vote: Glork

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1479 (isolation #80) » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:20 pm

glork wrote:I grow tired of this charade.

It's precisely this sort of defensive remark that I'm a little worried about.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1497 (isolation #81) » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:06 am

Glork, have you changed your mind about Shteven?

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:36 am

Boy is this wagon lonely.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1583 (isolation #83) » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:19 am

Inhim-Glork Mafia, Shteven SK?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1587 (isolation #84) » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:43 am

What I'm more concerned with is all of the people who were questioning Glork and not voting him at all. Despite all the hubbub, I'm left the only one willing to lynch him.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1616 (isolation #85) » Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:07 am

:ahem:

WHY IS THERE A WAGON ON AN UN-COUNTERED DOCTOR?

unvote, vote:Shteven

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1622 (isolation #86) » Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:38 am

I significantly doubt that if Shteven, Glork, and Inhim all die that there would not be scum somewhere among those three. I'm not 100% convinced that they are ALL scum anymore, but seriously.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1641 (isolation #87) » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:50 am

I'm willing to compromise-lynch InHim.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1666 (isolation #88) » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:33 am

As crazy as it sounds, I intend to do a full re-read before I post anything else game-related in this thread. I do not want today to turn into yesterday, where we had three fairly unsubstantiated wagons that I was not happy with.

So deal with me not posting for a couple of days until I get around to it.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1724 (isolation #89) » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:35 am

IDK, I kind of think it would be cool to play a game so long that a separate thread has to be made for later days.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1756 (isolation #90) » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:47 am

Wow, so there's no way in hell I can do a proper re-read... I would need like 10 adderall to get the shit done.

I'm still somewhat suspiscious of Glork, but I'm willing to let that slide since he's Glork, and if he's mafia/SK he's just going to win because no one is going to have the stones to string him up.

MBL seems like he wants to suicide though.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1765 (isolation #91) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:40 am

Soo.... what's the point of this wagon?

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1769 (isolation #92) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:50 am

unvote, vote: YogurtBandit

'kay, lets do this.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1808 (isolation #93) » Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:14 am

For my money, either Glork or Inhim

is

the SK.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1819 (isolation #94) » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:53 am

Is Glork always this touchy? I realize emotion isn't necessarily a scum tell, but I'm just curious if those of you who have played more games with him than I have recognize this behavior as normal.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:34 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Is Glork always this touchy? I realize emotion isn't necessarily a scum tell, but I'm just curious if those of you who have played more games with him than I have recognize this behavior as normal.
Eh...my guess is that Glork's just not used to getting much pressure on him this early in the game, heh.

Anyway, can we lynch InHim yet?

Ok, that sounds plausible. But I am certainly not going to write him off yet. I am more and more suspiscious that Glork is our SK. But I suppose there's only one way to determine that.

I'm eminently comfortable with a Yogurt lynch.

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Aug 13, 2007 12:54 am

Wow, the difference between my reading of the thread and everyone's analysis is so profound I just have no clue what to think. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1844 (isolation #97) » Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:20 am

Shteven wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Wow, the difference between my reading of the thread and everyone's analysis is so profound I just have no clue what to think. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Or you could tell us what you think and help out the town.

Especially since I asked specifically what you thought of Glork a few pages ago and I don't recall you answering.

I think that Glork is the serial killer. And even if he's not, if he's vanilla town, I'll eat some celery (I don't have a hat, and celery is gross).

1) the SK killed mafia
2) Glork has been overdefensive
3) Glork does not appear to be linked to any other players

I think that Glork is the SK and the remaining mafia come out of the group Yogurt/Shteven/Inhim/AE.

So there's my reading. I'm sure that it's totally wrong but it's my best guess at this time.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1847 (isolation #98) » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:45 am

I don't respond well to commands. You can kiss my ass.

The Central Scrutinizer · Post Post #1848 (isolation #99) » Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:45 am

I'll be back in this thread when I'm not pissed off.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:11 am

Here's how this is going to work.

unvote, vote: Glork

You can all argue amongst yourselves who is the play for today. I'm done posting until tomorrow.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:03 am

Glork wrote:This feels like Good Cop, Bad Cop with Guardian/Me grilling TCS. Guardian is playing the role of JDodge, and I am playing the role of Bad Cop. Guardian, I'll get to your request by the end of Thursday.

Fake or not, TCS's current attiude and behavior are not going to help him or the rest of the town at all. If he can make an objective, sound argument as to why his actions in this game are strong, I'm willing to listen. However, I've seen a tunnel-visioned and lazy player who is continually failing to take any initiative to look elsewhere. Unfortunately, there are
LOTS
of tunnel-visioned and lazy players who are continually failing to take any initiative and look elsewhere.

zomg plz look any ne1 but me

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:05 am

For fucking seriously, man, you are scum. You can throw up all the verbose posts you want to smokescreen that fact, you can accuse me of tunnel vision, you can order me about, you can bemoan the poor play of others, and I can say that every last one of these behaviors is indicative of scum trying to seem pro-town enough to deflect suspiscion away from himself.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:15 am

Glork wrote:Oh, so now me making a valid point against you is "trying to seem pro-town...to deflect suspicion"? Nevermind that I have a completely legitimate point about the fact that
you've not said a single word about five out of fifteen living players during this game-day
.

Aren't you going to offer any substantial analysis? You're not going to say, "I think TCS is blah blah blah so clearly the five people he mentioned must be blah blah blah." You could finish that post in a lot less time than spending 500 words per post roundly criticizing playstyle, and it would make me have far more fun in this game.

And I won't comment on those five players until you go through every person in this game, figure out who they haven't discussed, and issue similar directives as to who they should be talking about.

In fact, I have an idea. Let's all do exactly what Glork says. Glork, who am I voting for? Should I FOS someone? Should I post some more? Should I ask for replacement? Should I wipe my ass? Remember to say "Glork says" or it doesn't count.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:24 am

Look, I'm sorry. This game should be fun. I don't want to make this personal... but your behavior makes me think you're scum, and I think there *IS* scum in the "active players" category. Sure, it's quite possible Billy or MBL are scum... but sans any other idea of how the scum are playing this, I'd rather not go on a lurker-hunt when there are so many enticing options before us.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:48 am

the latter

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:46 am

Glork wrote:I suppose I'm a little miffed that you don't seem to care that a third of the town is lurking, and that more players (yourself included) are reasonably active but slacking off and ignoring the inactives. In your own wiki, you say this:
Newbie 290 Vanilla Townie (Scum Win). I screwed up on Day 1, and crypticgeek screwed up on Day 2. Good game by gootentag/Glork;
we lost because the town didn't participate actively in scumhunting.
(Emphasis mine.)
Have you learned
nothing
from that game?

On a separate note: I'm curious to know why you think I'm the
Serial Killer
and not Mafia. What SK-specific tells do you believe I have given off in your opinion?

Specifically, I don't see any valid connections between you and any other players.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:48 am

You read my wiki?

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:51 am

I'm keeping my vote on Glork, but at deadline I prefer a Yogurt lynch over a Sarc lynch, and will hop to make it so.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:51 am

(If necessary)

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:44 am

unvote, vote yogurtbandit

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:27 am

I think now's the time to

vote:BillyTwilight

.

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:58 am

Jack wrote:
ManaSpryte wrote:
Guardian wrote:Sweet, mafia no-killed, or, much more likely imo, we had a successful doc protection .

If MrBuddyLee (my protection) wasn't NK targeted, I bet there is some other doc out there who protected me and that's why I live -- after me placing the lynching vote on scum at the end of the day yesterday, maybe the scum realized that it finally was no longer feasible to continue trying to lynch a claimed doctor.
It does look like there is another doctor because I don't think that MBL was really a mafia target. I honestly think that you just say you doc proctected MBL just to stay in the role. You knew that he wasn't gonna get killed by mafia. And a quick vote on shteven was a little premature considering he was the main person who started the Sarcastro wagon.

vote:manaspryte

This post is really weird. You have in the past expressed willingness to lynch guardian, and the tone of this post is the same. Yet you claim there is
"another"
doctor. And why would guardian pick mbl because he knew that "he wasn't going to get killed by mafia" when it's obvious that mbl wasn't killed last night?

I don't think a vote on manaspryte is conducive to the best interests of the town. IMO.

I'm voting Billy because I think he's scum. That's my explanation, take it or leave it.

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:42 pm

Okay, here's my question. Am I less likely to get lynched if at this point I actually contribute to the game or if I continue being a lurking ass? Because the last time I stopped lurking in a game, I got immediately lynched.

If that's not going to happen, I will start substantiating stuff. Until then, you should all kindly vote Billy or go about your business.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:53 am

See my point?

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:54 am

I always play to live, because when I'm town and I die the town

inevitably

loses. I'm so sorry that this is borne out in the statistics. No town has ever won a game in which I was lynched as town.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:00 am

If there's a majority willing to lynch me, you may as well let me know before I actually attempt to put more effort into this game. If I do a 5,000 word PBPA and then get lynched because I'm overdefensive, then I would be really pissed off.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:59 am

1) Billy/HH
2) Glork

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:17 am

There were no reasons to lynch Sarcastro yesterday.

None

. I voted for the player who was the most scummy, and we got lucky to deadline-lynch mafia.

Although your argument is decent otherwise. I haven't been terribly helpful this game anyway.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:50 pm

Okay, will someone please tell me how we can assume Guardian is vanilla and Mana is a doc when Guardian wasn't targeted last night?

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:41 pm

I personally don't see why we should count on a doc who may or may not exist to validate the innocence of a person who lied. Sorry if that's a radical thought.

unvote, vote: guardian

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:22 am

We should disregard any post like the last two guardian just made. It's just shit-fishing.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:11 am

BillyTwilight wrote:Wow, this game went crazy. Reading back through the end of day 2:

Glork has me as suspicious because I wasn't voting for Sarc. Well, I was gone and/or not reading the thread during that period, so I wouldn't have been able to comment on Sarc's wagon. If I had, there is no way in hell I would have voted Sarc. The case against him was stupidly weak, I've seen many players play with that style. Basically he was lynched because he was lurking and popping in the snazzy comments that didn't really help the game - a weak case in comparison with some of the others, including YB. I would have been pissed if I realized that YB was going to not be lynched again because of a bad wagon on another player; the fact that Sarc was scum doesn't make the case against him any stronger, either.

I am now extremely suspicious of Glork. Glork's play so far this game has been very wishy washy. Look at Day 1, especially towards the end, day 2, the multiple cases he has brought against Shteven, Guardian, inHim, Yos2, even MBL, YB, and TCS to some extent. He's had relatively good evidence against all of these players, and has backed off again and on again against them throughout the game. As much as he has been jumping around, he landed on Sarc with the worst case out of any of the players and effectively stayed there. I find it ridiculous that someone who has been so inconsistent in his scum-hunting managed to nail scum on such a bad case without waivering on him. The closest Glork came was switching his vote to MBL, but when MBL voted Sarc Glork jumped right back on the wagon.

Then day 3 Glork's first post tries to eliminate an entire set of players from suspicion, including himself. And since then he is back to his flip-flopping around ways on players. I just find it incredibly strange that Glork managed to be on Sarcs wagon with so little evidence, then turn around and say "we shouldn't look at anyone on Sarcs wagon as being teamscum". Plus Glork seems to be convinced that Sarc was doomed to a lynch at some point anyway, I'm sure if he is teamscum that he'd prefer to be on and to some extent to lead a wagon against Sarc.

FoS: Glork
.

I'll have to more carefully read the last 5 pages or so. Guardian's lie bothers me A LOT. I don't know if I think he is teamscum or SK or if I believe him, but I'd rather deal with him now then have these questions come up in the endgame. The fact that he breadcrumbed his claim is extremely disturbing, because it shows he was very worried about being lynched and wanted a plan of action to avoid the lynch if possible.

I kind of think at this point that we
have
to lynch Guardian, because if he is telling the truth then scum will leave him alive as an albatross around our neck till the endgame. We need confirmation on his role ASAP.

QFT

I am sorry for accusing you Billy.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:28 am

Kinetic wrote:
Guardian wrote:10 other people: Guardian, lying as town is always bad. Your play was bad. It was bad, because lying to the town, as town, is bad. [sarcastic emphasis]You, as a person, are bad.[/sarcastic emphasis]

Me: I disagree.

10 other people: No Guardian, as we explained, you are wrong. And bad.

You know that there are exactly 10 people remaining in the town with 2 mafia and 1 SK.....

If exactly 10 people are saying this... it sounds like you're saying the whole town is against you....

And that would put you in the three remaining (scum)

I realize this is slightly twisting your words around, but I just thought it was an interesting note.

This is a scummy statement.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:34 am

Now we see how a townie lying can fuck a game up.

I'm gonna be a little more active today.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:28 am

Ah, so that's why Glork was playing differently. Now I know.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Sep 05, 2007 11:48 am

So, two failed yogurt-lynches later, are we ready to go on him?

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:16 am

unvote, vote: MBL

That has got to be the worst argument I have ever heard.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:12 pm

MBL: You indicated suspicion of Glork because as Cop he did not investigate a single scum.

Is that argument valid with anyone other than Glork?

If not, I don't think it's valid for Glork either. It's perfectly possible that he missed scum entirely. Were I a cop, I would have investigated Yos and Inhim.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:07 am

unvote

because Kinetic is on this wagon.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:09 am

To the scum who are attempting to sow the seeds for later building a shitwagon on me, and to the townies they may deceive: it makes much more sense to go after people who are not

investigated innocents

than those who are. TY

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:35 am

What specific thing about MBL has convinced you that he's the Godfather?

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:47 pm

I agree with Glork. While I find Kinetic scummy the wagon on him looks like nothing more than bald opportunism.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:09 am

"Overdefense?"

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:19 pm

To post in all games:

Sorry, I've got zero interest in mafia right now. Hopefully I'll be back soon to make good on this game. I really apologize for doing this, I'm just completely burnt out. I'll either be back in a few days or ask to be replaced.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:58 pm

I would absolutely like to see Kinetic or Shteven investigated tonight.

I believe that Glork is really the cop, if it matters.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:59 pm

Sorry, not a clear answer:

1. Kinetic
2. Shteven

In order.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:00 pm

Glork, have you said why you have yet to investigate Shteven? I would have thought you would before now.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:08 am

All right, what part of "let's lynch the players that are

not investigated innocents first

don't you understand.

I'm so ready to vote MBL. He's not this stupid.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:50 am

MrBuddyLee wrote:And I'm prone to bouts of stupidity as scum?

I want to hear more from you. I just stated plainly that my scumlist has somewhat narrowed to five, and it'd be naive to eliminate three of those from contention today.

I've seen you say some dumb things as SK, although it's more that I've seen you say more intelligent things than "we gotta lynch investigated innocents first" as town.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:16 pm

Yosarian2 wrote:MBL, do you really think that's a likely possibility here? Because I'm wondering if you're just trying to muddy the waters.

I would like to second this notion.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:16 pm

I at this point state my willingness to hammah MBL.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:17 pm

vote count, by the by?

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:41 am

Finally, I thought about why you're not so good at scumhunting in this game, and I believe it's the ego getting in your way--you're too proud in any given moment to remain open to the possibility you're wrong. Have you ever considered losing it for a week or two in the name of science?

Badlogic. That you resort to this kind of argument is scummy. Can't you see that?

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:40 pm

Everyone is so mad.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:50 pm

Probably Kinetic.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:33 am

The one time I was SK I attempted to lead lynches. Just for the record.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:32 am

Anyone else starting to get a bad feeling about Yos2? I'm pretty sure his posting style in this game is consistent with others in which he has been mafia. Maybe I'm just imagining things.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:33 am

EDIT: Oh yea, investigated innocent. This is why we don't post 5 minutes after waking up, kids.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:25 pm

Shteven wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:EDIT: Oh yea, investigated innocent. This is why we don't post 5 minutes after waking up, kids.
Is it just me, or does TCS still believe that being investigated innocent is a complete get out of jail free card even though 2/3 scum aren't "guilty"?

Yosarian is guilty of this as well, but at least he backed it up with a decent reason, that killing a non-confirmed will narrow down the pool of possible goons. This is true, but I don't feel that this is a very good strategy, and will probably be less accurate than regular hunting.

I think TCS especially, but also Yos, are clinging to their results a bit too desperately.

I think that TCS believes it's statistically more likely that we hit scum if we go after the uninvestigated rather than start lynching investigated innocents.

That Godfathers and SKs don't

always

investigate innocent is merely another flaw in this thinking.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:18 am

Shteven wrote: Honestly I'd like to feel as though we're getting somewhere; last few days have been back and forth to no immediate end. I'd like everyone (aside from CTD perhaps) to place a vote on someone, let's see where we stand.

Not to muddy the waters further, but this is something a scum would be likely to want--a clear picture of everyone's intentions so he can choose a side to push. I'm going to look closely about how committed you have been to a lynch thus far today, and if I see a lot of wishy-washy stuff, I'm voting you.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:15 am

Shteven wrote:September 13th:

LoudmouthLee wrote:Official Day Four Vote Count

MrBuddyLee – 2 – Glork, Kinetic
TCS – 2 – Shteven, MBL
Kinetic – 1 – Jack

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Not Voting – 5 – RougeBen, CrashTextDummie, BillyTwilight, The Central Scrutinizer, Yosarian2
September 22nd:
LoudmouthLee wrote: MrBuddyLee – 2 – Glork, Kinetic
TCS – 2 – Shteven, MBL
Kinetic – 1 – White
10 (and counting) days. No votes.

Since then white unvoted since he's still catching up with the game.

So tell me TCS, am I reaching, or is it YOU who is wishy washy? Seriously everyone, it's time to pick up the pace a bit Let's try to finish the game before 200 pages.

I'll reiterate that I'm looking for a TCS lynch. I had my issues with jack, but of course, some time should be given to white, so right now, I'm leaving my vote on TCS for some time. I expect to see Billy, TCS, and Yos vote soon. I can certainly excuse the two replacement players.

It would not be in the best interests of the town at this point to lynch me. However, if you're looking for a player to night kill, it'd probably be in the best interests of scum to rid themselves of me.

So.

I think you and Kinetic are scum and MBL is the SK. I will vote for any of you three at deadline. I will not be voting for inhim, glork, yos, billy, or jack today. I'm holding off on Rogueben because I think there's an outside chance he's scum who slipped through the cracks, and I simply haven't had the time to reread this game like I should.

But for the time being, there's the three I'd be willing to lynch. Out of the three, I prefer MBL or Kinetic.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:38 pm

White wrote:Sure. If MBL turns up town (looking at all possible outcomes) then we'll have his word (as he said) as "gospel". Meaning that we can trust his opinions because at that point (if he's innocent) he'd be confirmed innocent.

Whether MBL is town or scum, he could be wrong. We should give the opinions of a dead townie almost zero credence. It's the opinions of dead scum we should analyze, because

they

were part of the informed minority.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:41 pm

Shteven wrote:P.S. It's these little omissions by Glork, which have happened very frequently in this game, which made me list him as scum at the start of day 3. Maybe it would have hurt us in the long run, but I wish Manaspryte hadn't protected him

If we lynch Shteven, and he comes up scum, how totally blown is MBL's "Glork is off his game" argument (I use the term loosely)?

The Central Scrutinizer · Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:49 pm

Shteven wrote:Let me put this to you instead: If I am lynched and everyone sees I am town, would you clear MBL/lynch Glork?

No.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:08 pm

I was on the MBL wagon, wasn't I?

I have in fact voted for everyone that I've said I will in this game. And in most, FWIW.

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:37 am

MrBuddyLee wrote:
TCS:

TCS wrote:I'm calling Guardian as SK. Anyone else feeling this?

So are you Mafia or SK? Feel like claiming Vig?

does the SK hitting scum increase Glork's odds of being the SK?

Glork Mafia, Shteven SK?

he's Glork, and if he's mafia/SK he's just going to win because no one is going to have the stones to string him up. MBL seems like he wants to suicide though. (note: what did that mean?)

For my money, either Glork or Inhim is the SK.

I am more and more suspiscious that Glork is our SK.

I think that Glork is the serial killer. And even if he's not, if he's vanilla town, I'll eat some celery (I don't have a hat, and celery is gross).

1) the SK killed mafia
2) Glork has been overdefensive
3) Glork does not appear to be linked to any other players
I think that Glork is the SK
Very black and white one-dimensional, unsupported observations about an SK. Almost seems to be fishing for reactions or for something that sticks. Though his instinct on Glork wasn't bad at the time.

So you're saying I did what a protown player would try to--out scum, I at one point did what you agreed with--accused Glork, and I'm number two on your SK-list. You don't jive, daddy.

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:39 am

Shteven wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but september 13th was still day 4, ie, now. And since then, you've been voting for no one. I haven't checked but I'd believe you have voted MBL at some point, my question was about right now. Why won't the non-voting, non-replaced players keep the game moving?

"Guyyyys, why isn't there more activity? Why don't we keep the gaaame moving?"

I think I've tried to sound protown with these lines in every game as scum.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:55 am

I see a lot of momentum building for a lynch of me, which I suppose isn't a bad idea from a certain perspective. However, I haven't seen a lot of votes, which makes me very, very suspicious of those who are tentative about voting me when in their accusations they all but condemn me.

When I turn up town, either by lynch or death, I hope you all take a good long look at those who are pushing my lynch but not willing to openly advocate it. Those people know I'm town.

And on that note,

Vote: Shteven

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I would prefer to lay the hammer, for my own reasons, but until his wagon builds you know where I stand.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:58 am

And I thought you were town, until Post 2578.

Your subtle bussing of Shteven is written all over your pixels.

But hey, if you want to mislynch me first, and you can convince the rest of the town better than I can, by all means do as you must.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:01 am

MBL is still the SK, in my opinion, and you and Shteven are probably mafia. Maybe it's OMGUS, but it's my opinion. You trying to link me (a townie) with someone who has a pretty decent chance of being scum is a tactic that I use. If you bus your buddy, you have an easier path to lynching me tomorrow, and if you lynch me, you look like an idiot but your buddy is pure as new-fallen snow.

The Central Scrutinizer · Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:02 am

White is the Godfather and Shteven is the goon. Roll it up, smoke it, and enjoy.

The Central Scrutinizer · Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:02 pm

White wrote:I'm not too sure. I mean I understand what he's doing and it's horrible play but...isn't he just stating what he's been implying all this time?

If MBL is indeed the SK, I imagine scum would want to hit him.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:14 am

I would like to request a vote count.

Also, I am now stating my wish to be the one who places the hammer on any lynch that occurs today, and that's looking like Shteven. You will know why when I do so.

The Central Scrutinizer · Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:42 am

Shteven wrote:EBWOP: To be technically correct, nothing above the line where TCS voted for me is about me. Afterwards, he states he wants to be the hammer, which is odd. He's mentioned this again recently. Apparently he would unvote and revote for me at the end to hammer? The only reason I could think of for this is some very odd role, but this game has open roles with all PM's quoted. He's just being strange, or maybe has a bet with a friend to see who can hammer the most players?

Care to explain, TCS?

I will explain when I hammer, scum.

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:03 am

Honestly, White, I'm not giving the scum any more info than I have to to win the game for the town.

kthxbai

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:06 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Honestly, White, I'm not giving the scum any more info than I have to to win the game for the town.

kthxbai
Um...so, explaining why you're suspicious of Shteven now, rather then "when you hammer", would be giving the scum too much info?

I'm pretty sure I've already explained why I don't like Shteven. That's not what White or I was referring to.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:10 am

To all of you who are voting me because I said I wanted to hammer--you are god damn idiots.

Think

for about a minute about why I would do so. I do not wish to give the scum/sk an opportunity to covertly work out who will nightkill whom.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:21 am

White wrote:I'm sorry, but how does you hammering prohibit the other scum from communicating or thinking about who to nk?

Think for yourself, ffs. What would my reason be assuming TCS =! Scum?

The Central Scrutinizer · Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:38 am

Hi. I hope the scum and SK cross-kill properly. That's really all I have to say as Shteven is still my choice to lynch.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:35 am

I was away and didn't get to hammer/claim.

I am a vanilla townie. I intended to falseclaim doctor when I hammered to try to draw the nightkill away from Glork.

We are soundly fucked. I think it's time to go for Billy or White.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:04 am

The way this game's been going for me, I'm going to make a list of most to least scummy and vote for the least.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:06 am

Gah. School is a fucker at the moment. I apologize for the 10,000th time. I really feel like I'm letting you guys down but I don't have any choice right now.

The Central Scrutinizer · Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:21 am

It is notable that Twilight has only posted to defend himself, not to scumhunt.

The Central Scrutinizer · Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:46 am

Surely you must see my dilemma.

As a pro-town player, I know that I am hurting the town by lurking.

Yet, as a pro-town player who is also an admittedly legitimate suspect, if I quit lurking now and post a bunch of shit I'm going to be lambasted for overdefense and mislynched. This happens without fail in games in which I end up a lurker-hunting candidate.