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Post Post #950 (ISO) » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:34 am

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Glork wrote:TCS: Your gut sucks. Also, what was that game in which I was scum? I'm drawing a complete blank.
I think it was Newbie 290? You replaced gootentag as scum and made some statements rather similar to ones you make here.

I know you can make the argument that you play the same all the time, but that's simply not the case, because you explicitly played differently as a survivor in McDonald's mafia.
1) Ah, I remember now. But the situation in that game was fundamentally different than what we have here.
--a) It was a Newbie game. I could get a way with a lot more, since newbie players wouldn't be able to see the "he's presenting two players as approximately equal but ultimately shows a preference for a probable mislynch" tell. This game has several experienced (and talented) players. I would not be able to get away with the same maneuver here.
--b) That game was in LyLo. This game is in Day One. Once I "showed a preference for" that mislynch, the game was over. Nobody could come back on a later day and say that I was trying to distance from my scumbuddy. Were I in fact scum with one of the two players you mentioned, I would probably be called on it sooner or later.

2) You've never played a role that requires you to survive, have you? Survivor, SK, role-with-a-Survivor-condition... they require a different style of play altogether. Why? Because no matter what you do, no matter how many correct lynches or mislynhces the town as a whole attains, no matter what plans you lay out to drive yourself to victory -- it all means
nothing
if you are killed. Lights Out 1 had a "you must survive to actually win" mechanic for all players, and I freely and readily admitted that I was playing a strategy which I felt would help me survive to the late-game stages. You've tried to pre-empt a possible defense by saying that I've played a different strategy as a Survivor, but you seem to have missed the fact that
playing a Survivor requires a different strategy altogether.
Figured you'd say as much. I attempt to play every game to survive to endgame, because it's my experience that games in which I survive, my side wins. Games I die, my side loses. So maybe I interpreted your play as survivor as more akin to pro-town Glork than I should have.

That being said, your defense is reasoned enough to merit an
unvote
. Yet, have no doubt that should Guardian come up scum at any point, I will be considering the possibility that you simply slipped up. Even the best players screw up sometimes. IGMEOY.
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Post Post #951 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:02 am

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If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

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Post Post #952 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:07 am

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inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

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Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.
Could you tell me why for each person?
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Post Post #953 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:12 am

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Post Post #954 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:18 am

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inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

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Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?
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Post Post #955 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:23 am

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

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Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.
Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?
Not in the least bit. I think you're scum in this particular game, though. The worthlessness I am attributing to scumminess, not you being bad at this game.
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Post Post #956 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:27 am

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

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Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.
Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?
Sounds like WIFOM, really. Makes me even more sure this is Wifom by Inhim's response.I'd confirm vote you again, but after the 8th time it just gets old. :P
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Post Post #957 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:08 am

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YogurtBandit wrote:
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inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

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Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.
Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?
Sounds like WIFOM, really. Makes me even more sure this is Wifom by Inhim's response.I'd confirm vote you again, but after the 8th time it just gets old. :P
I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.

@InHim: Imagine for a second that I'm pablito. Would you consider my play scummy? Have you ever played a game with me? Why are you automatically considering my play scummy?

Oh, and
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for being light on reasons for accusing me. I wish hypocrisy were a scumtell, because if it were, I'd vote for you.
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Post Post #958 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:18 am

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:If you figured he'd say as much, what was all that about, then? Your vote and unvote was pretty much worthless.

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Glork - if I didn't think the above was blatant distancing, you were slowly being let off my hook.
Wow, you really think I'm bad at this game, huh?
Sounds like WIFOM, really. Makes me even more sure this is Wifom by Inhim's response.I'd confirm vote you again, but after the 8th time it just gets old. :P
I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.

@InHim: Imagine for a second that I'm pablito. Would you consider my play scummy? Have you ever played a game with me? Why are you automatically considering my play scummy?

Oh, and
FOS: InHim
for being light on reasons for accusing me. I wish hypocrisy were a scumtell, because if it were, I'd vote for you.
What does pablito have to do with anything? I'd think he was scummy too if he just did what you did in those last couple of posts.

I think I'm currently in another game with you.

I'm not automatically considering your play scummy, I'm saying those last few posts of yours reeked of scumminess.

kk, so I'm light on reasons, fair enough. I'm calling those posts like I see them. Remind me of this hypocrisy, though.
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Post Post #959 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:23 am

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....I don't think TSC is likely scum. :(

Seriously, why aren't more people voting Shteven?
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Post Post #960 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:27 am

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I really get the feeling that Guardian's bandwagon is becoming the common Day 1 lynch that happens in most games and doesn't result in dead scum, because it's the naturally scummy person who did a few outrageous things that everyone jumped on. I really feel bad about his wagon.
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Post Post #961 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:48 am

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What do you think of his SK-tells, Capn. Mosfaire?
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Post Post #962 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:49 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:I really get the feeling that Guardian's bandwagon is becoming the common Day 1 lynch that happens in most games and doesn't result in dead scum, because it's the naturally scummy person who did a few outrageous things that everyone jumped on. I really feel bad about his wagon.
I agree
I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.
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Post Post #963 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:51 am

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vote: Shteven


I get the feeling I might be suiciding by hopping so much, but whatev. I really don't feel comfortable with YB or Guardian, so here goes.
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Post Post #964 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:57 am

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MrBuddyLee wrote:What do you think of his SK-tells, Capn. Mosfaire?
It's possible that he's scum, even SK, but I feel that people are getting lazy and taking the easy way out to vote him, when it's entirely possible that he's just being himself.
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Post Post #965 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:05 am

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Could you clarify what makes you think that YB is a good lynch whereas Guardian is the "easy" lynch?
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Post Post #966 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:06 am

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Also, why haven't you posted any thoughts on Shteven since your initial long analysis?
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Post Post #967 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:15 am

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YogurtBandit wrote:Im think Im going to do a re-read, I know Ive confirmed voted TCS 6 times, but I'll look for other suspects.
FOS: YogurtBandit


By all means, stick to your guns. I don't see why you would need to look for anyone else if you've confirm voted me six times already. Clearly I should look to you like the most obvious lynch. The only reason you would need to do so is if you were just hunting for another wagon to hop onto.
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I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.
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vote: Shteven


I get the feeling I might be suiciding by hopping so much, but whatev.
I really don't feel comfortable with YB
or Guardian, so here goes.
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Post Post #968 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:04 am

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:
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YogurtBandit wrote:Im think Im going to do a re-read, I know Ive confirmed voted TCS 6 times, but I'll look for other suspects.
FOS: YogurtBandit


By all means, stick to your guns. I don't see why you would need to look for anyone else if you've confirm voted me six times already. Clearly I should look to you like the most obvious lynch. The only reason you would need to do so is if you were just hunting for another wagon to hop onto.
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I think we can consider YB confirmed town... no scum would really be this pigheaded.
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vote: Shteven


I get the feeling I might be suiciding by hopping so much, but whatev.
I really don't feel comfortable with YB
or Guardian, so here goes.
I had already indicated not being willing to pick between YB and Guardian.
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Post Post #969 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:05 am

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I had already indicated not being willing to pick between YB and Guardian.
I missed it, quote it for me ?
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Post Post #970 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:36 am

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:I really get the feeling that Guardian's bandwagon is becoming the common Day 1 lynch that happens in most games and doesn't result in dead scum, because it's the naturally scummy person who did a few outrageous things that everyone jumped on. I really feel bad about his wagon.
QFT!

Go ahead and check out AM mafia, which just finished, where I found both scum at lylo using superb logic and was lynched anyways :(.

unvote vote: Schteven


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Post Post #971 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:00 am

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote: I had already indicated not being willing to pick between YB and Guardian.
I missed it, quote it for me ?
935 I said they were "equally appealing" lynches.
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Post Post #972 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:03 am

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Wow, I just realized how incredibly poorly I've been playing this game.
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Post Post #973 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:13 am

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So...TCS? How can you tell when a "naturally scummy" person is scum or not? I'm quite frankly
not
willing to give scummy behavior a pass,
especially
when it seems like that's been brought up as a reason to not lynch about a quarter of our players.

That said, I've given up waiting for Pless to be replaced and I'm about to jump into a serious re-read.
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Post Post #974 (ISO) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:17 am

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Wow, I just realized how incredibly poorly I've been playing this game.
Smells like Wifom. :P
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