Glork:
Note: My main objection all along is that a mistake in his innocents (calling the goon innocent) would get him killed immediately. Would Glork take this risk, knowing full well he's already been targeted by scum and will be again? Tough to say. At this point, my lingering "hope" that Glork's the SK is largely because if he's not, I have to accept the fact he's played poorly this game. I'm so so tempted to say I really really don't think he is, but I'd hate to let him get away with murder if he IS. Also: Is eliminating a few players as SK, also not optimal.Glork wrote:You've never played a role that requires you to survive, have you? Survivor, SK, role-with-a-Survivor-condition... they require a different style of play altogether. Why? Because no matter what you do, no matter how many correct lynches or mislynhces the town as a whole attains, no matter what plans you lay out to drive yourself to victory -- it all means nothing if you are killed. Playing a Survivor requires a different strategy altogether.
even if I am scum, I can still hunt scum because we know that there is both a mafia and an SK in the game.
I'm not following the logic of keeping an SK alive, on the assumption that he's going to go after the mafia. Could you explain that a bit better?
What SK tells on Guardian *have* you seen, exactly?
If Guardian is not the SK, then the SK will have significant incentive to kill Guardian regardless of whether Guardian is scum or the Doctor. If Guardian is the SK (which I must say, I find rather unlikely -- I think he'd have taken a lower profile in this game if so), then the Mafia may in fact leave him around for a while.
I find it very likely that in the next night or two, the SK will be cutting Guardian to pieces. And as long as we've got the SK playing vigilante for us, it's strategic to look eslewhere for our lynch.
Scenario 1: Guardian is a Mafiate. The SK likely kills him sooner or later -- preferrably, sooner.
Scenario 2: Guardian is the SK. I find this unlikely, but if it is, he will probably survive for a little while.
Scenario 3: Guardian is a Doctor. The SK will likely target him at some point; the Mafia may or may not. Survival may be dependent on the existence of a second Doc.
I find it highly likely (say, 80%) that the SK will target Guardian (again, unless Guardian is the SK -- a probability which I find to be insignificant).
So Guardian is most likely to survive if he is the SK, but I have already stated that I firmly believe Guardian to be non-SK.
I'm not *telling* the SK what to do. I am predicting what they will likely do. Like I said, regardless of what Guardian is, the SK would have a vested interest in seeing Guardian die.
Whoa. Time out. When I said "the SK is probably going to end up killing Guardian," both AE and you flew off the handle at me. And yet now you're directly telling the SK to kill Guardian. What the fuck, inHim? (does this indicate Glork knows inHim is not SK?)
(a ton of SK-scum killing speculation in post 204)
Quoting AE for saying "Glork is telling the SK what to do" and then TELLING THE SK WHAT TO DO is hypocritical at best. Really, if you hadn't quoted that post, which emphasized the "directing the SK" part, I probably wouldn't be going off like that. But you said that AE "hit the nail on the head" with "Glork is directing the SK" and now you're trying to direct the SK.
I think if inHim is scum caught with his pants down, he's probably the SK and he was trying to signal to the scums that he's going to target Guardian.
I think inHim is rather unlikely to be scum (in spite of his play -- like I said, *if* he's scum, he's probably the SK).
I'm curious to know why you think I'm the Serial Killer and not Mafia. What SK-specific tells do you believe I have given off in your opinion?
YB is definitely not the SK. He was the first person to claim on D1, and he claimed Townie. Considering he wasn't going to be counterclaimed (unless he was moronic enough to claim Vigilante or Cop), he could easily have claimed Doc and bought himself some time. As people discussed around the time of his claim, Townie is a weak claim because it gives a town no incentive to keep you alive. Townie is especially a bad claim for an SK.
I'm not sure why you've listed YB, Glork, and ManaSpryte as possible SKs while leaving off others such as Yos and TCS, whom you've asked to explain their actions more clearly. I get the feeling that you've listed YB because he's been a prime suspect, Glork because two people (inHim and TCS) have accused me of being the SK
SK is probably among {MBL, Yos, HH, BT, inHim}
with one Cop already dead, there really isn't a good fake-claim for scum (especially the SK) to make. Vigilante can't be proven, since we know the SK chainsaws and the Vig shoots. Cop could be counterclaimed, and it would force the SK to give accurate results. (If, for example, he'd declared an innocent on Sarc, the SK would be dead by now.)
Personally, I am seeing Guardian as a very likely SK candidate right now. As both inHim and I previously have pointed out why the SK would (or, in inHim's case, "should") target Guardian, does anybody else find it odd that the SK went after AE? Given his self-survival play, the somewhat odd kill choice (which, I think, was a weak attempt to frame MBL as an SK)
I want to point out that while Guardian brought up being crazy to revert his claim, it makes PERFECT sense if he is the SK and feared a second counterclaim.
I think that HH is very likely Mafia (prolly the last Goon), and that Guardian is the SK. I'm not sure who the Godfather is yet, but after those two are out of the way, we can figure that out. GG, scums. You've been paragon'd.
SK has every incentive to unclaim. As I stated earlier, if the SK gets countered, he's completely and utterly screwed unless he tries to back off of the claim. If he doesn't back off, he will very likely be lynched, and he will lose the game entirely. If he unclaims, there is a chance (albeit a slim one) that he will be believed and can maneuver himself into a position to win the game.
Your behavior has convinced me that you are very likely the SK. Period.
right now, your actions ring of being the SK. Period.
making a 'bad' claim such as Doc is preferrable to getting lynched if you're an SK. Do you understand that an SK's top priority is survival? Do you understand why players who will do anything to survive (as you have done) will be seen as being a likely SK?
My biggest problem is that I'm actually trying to decide if MBL makes more sense as the SK or as a Mafiate. I've seen indicators of both -- more on the SK side than the Mafia side, though.
MBL as SK: (blah blah blah post 272)
MBL is not only likely to be the SK, but his behavior is certainly NOT indicative of him being non-mafia.
MBL is still the SK, and eliminating him eliminates a nightkill upcoming. MBL, if Kinetic is lynched as town, you should probably be hitting scum tonight.
I think that if we lynch Mafia, they'll both try to kill town tonight to make it 7 players alive with 5 Town, 1 SK, 1 Mafia. That is their best hope for survival. Our goal should be to eliminate a kill altogether. Alternatively, hitting scum is the second option, but going after the SK is definitely, IMHO, the right play here.
As SK, I'd leave YB alive because he probably buys me another day/night.
Also, Sheven, what makes you think that TCS is the Godfather or the SK? I'd like specifics, please.
MBL, part of the reason I don't seem interested in your opinions of others' alignments is because I don't feel that you're necessarily telling the truth if you're an SK (which I obviously believe right now).
You are the SK and I want you dead today. End of story.
with no second Doctor and a Goon still out there, claiming Cop as SK would literally be giving up the game, ESPECIALLY AS I AM GOING AFTER SOMEBODY WHOM I BELIEVE IS THE SK.
I don't think that Billy, as SK, would stick his neck out for ANYBODY at that stage, especially Kinetic. the SK probably has little (if any) concern over whether we lynch town or scum today, so long as he survives.
