Open 512: See Nine Plus Plus (Game Ovah)

[Saki]

VOTE: CherryDrPepper
STALKERS
OMFG
YOU'RE IN MY OTHER NEWBIE GAME TOO

[Saki]

YOU TWO*

[Saki]

Varsoon who is your top mafia pick atm?

He just asked that...

Edit: don't discuss other games.

whut

I'm not discussing other games

UNVOTE: PepperSakuraCherrysomethingsfdska;fjakls;fja;
VOTE: jmo16mla

wayy too nitpicky

[Saki]

Sorry I should just randomly vote people without talking to them, you are right, best way to play for sure.

yes, yes

UNVOTE: jmo16mla
VOTE: Flench

P-EDIT: The game's completed :/

[Saki]

double vote Flench

[Saki]

that was my very first game and more than two months ago

shaddup and lemme lynch you two

[Saki]

UNVOTE: Flench
VOTE: CherryDrPepper

[Saki]

town points to whoever guesses where my avatar is from

[Saki]

lynch all hydras!

/double vote Cherry

[Saki]

I don't like your other head. Tell him that

[Saki]

he was okay with that avatar? owo

[Saki]

ILL TELL YOU HOW TO DEAL WITH HYDRAS

LYNCH 'EM ALL

its my first time seeing one too

[Saki]

UNVOTE:

i didnt do nuthin', officer

[Saki]

V/LA 'till the 17th, sorry.

[Saki]

Sneaking in a post

you guys are flying wayyyyy over my head with all of this, ill re-read and re-think when I get time (possibly sometime after the 17th)

@mod: You're forgetting to list my vote in votecounts, I'm currently not voting

[Saki]

aight sneaking in a post that i really shouldn't spend the time on but meh

it's not going to be long, dont expect much

coming up in around 15-20m

[Saki]

Okay I really don't like DP's discussion of 'meta' but I'll play along with it, though it is not at all trustworthy, I have exactly one game played on this site. Like seriously you're going off one completed game that was my first--everyone'd expect a newbie to change playstyle after their first game, right? Even in that game my early-game and late-game play differed a lot.

here's how I imagine my meta (link to the game Cherry is referencing)

first day
walk into the club
wave my VI card like i just don't care
when people start noticing me i take the spotlight
where i drink and dance 'till people think I'm crazy (I'm sure they already do, but)
when the votes come, I turn around and smack whoever threw them in the face
and make the 'omfg everyone is scum' post (which is what i'll do here)

the rationale for said post being that scum like to be on wagons, especially easy ones


I like looking for tells in reactions--therefore I do whatever is necessary to produce said reaction, excuse my play where I am incoherent/impossible to read 'cause I'm probably fishing for reactions somewhere

don't forget to try your hardest to look town!

about the whole hydra business I did not know they existed till now, had to look 'em up.
the rationale behind 'lynch all hydras' because they're disruptive and have an unfair advantage over the rest of the players as town or scum (being able to talk to each other and all)

Anything i post pre-5 pages is really not serious, that's also something I plan to do consistently in my games

@Titus why so cautious of getting on a bandwagon?
@TV yes my game does get better
@Flench V/LA means 'vacation and/or limited access' meaning I'll be here sometimes, but generally not be here. I really don't like how you keep a static vote on someone that's V/LA--scum could easily take advantage of that
@Varsoon why vote me as soon as Pasche makes his readslist against your policy of 'not sticking votes on someone that's V/LA'? sheeping the IC for extra towncred?
@JMO I'm L-2, you're thinking of sticking a vote on me even though there's like two days 'till my V/LA is over?
@Cherry yes I don't like you, really, like NO I LOVE YOU BOTH || i find DP and Sakura pushing me this hard early in the game perfectly aligned with their scum metas

FoS: Varsoon, Paschendale, Flench, Titus

for reasons above + taking all that early-game bullcrap seriously
VOTE: CherryDrPepper
'cause they're scum, yet again. I don't like the giant readslists nor the idea that they specifically go against the general reads floating around in town

Also, a few dumb questions, shouldn't hydras not be allowed to talk to each other via pm/other methods? How do you talk to a hydra? Each head separately or consider them one player and try to merge two opinions into one?

[Saki]

holy fuck I'm stupid sorry Pasche I never meant to point a finger at you

[Saki]

i see you guys notice the irony
congratulations

I figured I could make a counterargument using 'that one game' since they're reading me off 'that one game'

@Flench following up, feel free to AMA
goes for anyone else too, just know that I won't get you a timely response

[Saki]

i just constructed my meta in that post why ignore it
(that's also what I thought I did in 'that one game')
you can like reference it for all games to come

[Saki]

if you read the bulk of that post you'd see the thought process from "i was reaction fishing" to the fos
and then questions

you probably dont want to skip/ignore the bulk of it

im fosing them for the question i want answered and to see what their reaction is to an fos compared to a normal question

jesus if i have to model my exact thought process in my posts to prove that my scumhunting is genuine im going to need something more than my phone to post with

[Saki]

Following up on 210
before that though

I'M A GUY

how is that not clear

Here's a clearer, more coherent argument as to why I think certain people are scummy.

CherryDrPepper

- 216 big ass readslist. why bother! like seriously, why take the time to write one where there's really only a handful of pages to go through for discussion. also, these readslists, as I have come to think, don't really provide much insight into the reasoning behind who's scum/town and seem like a good way to save face / earn towncred by looking like you're scumhunting. I'd rather have people show what they think of other people through their actions/posts.
- pushing me, who's V/LA (who's also set himself up deliberately to look like an easy lynch)

Varsoon

- sudden change of opinion/policy by voting me, as someone pointed out.
- 176 180
conftown sheeping -- townies should be brave enough to go out on a limb to catch scum and wolves.
being conftown doesn't mean that pasche is 100% right.
how i see it is that varsoon knows that pasche is wrong about me and hops on the wagon.

thank you titus for answering my question
@Flench
my question was (now rephrased) "Why do you keep your vote on someone that is V/LA?"

Also can someone please clarify whether or not the heads of a hydra are allowed to talk to each other outside of the game thread?
If yes then I'd be much more serious about the 'lynch all hydras' business.

[Saki]

Did Saki really just say that being forthcoming with reads and supporting them, and not limiting those reads to popular wagons... is a scumtell?

What makes you think I said that? I just said big ass readslists aren't wholly town motivated.

[Saki]

I pointed out that CherryDP was scummy for making one. my bad

[Saki]

The fact is I don't like those big readslists. It helps a person's reputation more than it helps their scumhunting.

[Saki]

Weirdly though, the argument about Varsoon is slightly compelling, but only because I've played with and butted heads with Varsoon before. I wouldn't expect him to sheep anyone. But agreement is not sheeping. Worth keeping an eye on. Hardly proof of Saki or Varsoon's alignment.

What I'm meaning to say is that Varsoon was going "FoS 'cause I'm not sure, FoS 'cause he's V/LA, FoS once more, (insert pasche confirmation that I'm scum), VOTE SAKI"
He isn't necessarily sheeping you but the fact that he voted me right after your confirmation is what bothers me.

@Titus
Yes I don't think CherryDP is doing anything else than saving face with that readslist



So hydra heads can talk to each other? And people are willing to take the risk of scum/wolves having such an incredible advantage?

[Saki]

252, 253
Laughing off my scumread with "oh that was OMGUS"

and

providing no coherent counter-argument?

AND

AtE to boot?


Looks like we have our first scum/wolf right here.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

[Saki]

Between CherryDP and Varsoon, I'd prioritize the hydra but I think I can supply a much more clear argument about Varsoon-scum

[Saki]

oh crap forget the mention of wolves in 255

[Saki]

@Saki, your vote should be on the person who is most likely scum, not the person who you think you can convince us is scum. You shouldn't be worried about "convincing us" but just giving information right now. Plus, you want to prioritize a hydra solely because they are a hydra at this point. I hate policy lynches.

If only you could get into my head and see what I'm thinking atm.

I do want a lynch on CherryDP over Varsoon but as I said and as you said my case on CherryDP isn't too solid right now.

Yes I should be worried about 'convincing you all' since that's how lynches happen. A single vote from me evokes nothing but a reaction (which I can try to read but seems like it'll be batted off the same way people are batting off all my posts).

[Saki]

It's my first time playing with a hydra and I feel really paranoid about it 'cause I don't know how they work, really. (Same goes for ICs)
I personally feel like we shouldn't risk a hydra being scum, ever but that's just that paranoia flowing through me.

[Saki]

Simply, at the moment, I don't know/understand why Varsoon translated from his buddy-buddy attitude to 253.

I don't like the way he's reacting to the pressure, even if it's coming from me.

I really haven't liked him since the beginning of the thread either, he's acting way too friendly, especially towards Pasche.

[Saki]

Well I haven't really got the sense that people have been reading my posts, other than you or Pasche. Everyone seems more focused on debating whether or not I'm scum.

I'm not trying to convince people over hunting scum but that's what I see other people doing (specifically Cherry and Varsoon) and completely ignoring other people's opinions isn't the way to hunt scum.

I am not 100% focused on convincing you guys over hunting scum. If I wanted to convince you guys that bad I'd get on my own wagon since that's the way you guys are leaning.

Thank you for clarifying Varsoon's play but that opens up a point I was trying to make.

I find it odd that you are pushing a lynch on someone who appears to be wanting to draw attention to himself.

Hey guys isn't that what my wagon is all about?

[Saki]

leave him be not everyone is active as you Titus.
(I am dying to see what people think of me though *squeak*)

[Saki]

I find it odd that you are pushing a lynch on someone who appears to be wanting to draw attention to himself.

Hey guys isn't that what my wagon is all about?

I'm playing like a certain someone. Now that I try to lynch that certain someone people start 'throwing shit' back at me. Especially another certain someone on my wagon.

Hypocrisy is a scum-tell, no? That makes for everyone on my wagon to be slightly scummy yet you stood out because you're pushing me so zealously. (You're okay with lynching me but not Varsoon?)

Besides I already made it clear that my play is focused on reaction-fishing.

I thought the readslist argument was over, yet you bring it up again. I don't like those since they mostly do little else than parroting and seem like a good way for scum to look like they are scumhunting. Yes they do bring much to scumhunting but at this point? With all those days 'till deadline and only 10 pages? No. I don't think so. Hence my scumread of it.

Why would scum have no need to form a readslist? It's a

great

way to save face and also to pursure mislynches. By the way your readslist seemed more forced than genuine.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CherryDrPepper

The whole Varsoon lynch thing was a fluke to draw you out. I'm almost certain that you're scum now.

[Saki]

pursue*

[Saki]

meh. If jmo goes V/LA let someone else argue for his lynch while he's V/LA like Cherry did to me.

and my main point was not the readslist argument it was the argument that you guys want to lynch me for wanting attention but not varsoon for wanting attention
which is hypocritical
which puts CherryDP who was pushing for my lynch the strongest in a scummy light

also at the readslist stuff. It's not wholly town-motivated as CherryDP said. The readslist does not make CherryDP more town as he/she says it does.
I personally hate those readslists and that's something that people can't really argue with.
I don't think I should comment on that further. 'negroargument' heh.

[Saki]

I believe hypocrisy is more scummy than town. Why would a townie need to be hypocritical if they were contributing to scumhunting? Scum has more chance to be hypocritical 'cause they know who's scum and who's not and have to deliberately endeavor to create a mislynch.

I thought the readslist argument was over because it's clear that you think of it one way and I think of it another way and we aren't going to change each other's opinions about it.

So scum has no need to create a readslist, eh?
Then why would town create one? Shouldn't they be focused on scumhunting more than town-reading people?
Yes PoE works but at the same time it doesn't work.

P-EDIT
You kinda did.

No, I was focused on how you were so set on lynching me.
"Bigger scumread than Varsoon"
So you do have a scumread on Varsoon? Make that clear please.

[Saki]

Saki, you're at L-3. Are you still on VLA? If so, let us know. If no, take off your VLA banner. I don't want to see you hit L-1 and not be able to claim, etc.

How?

Mhmmm. Why not consider the fact that my case on you did have good points and that CherryDP might possibly have a scumread on you.
"Seeking truth" is that not what I was doing by voteswapping. You're getting the wrong idea here.

Why do I have to answer the same question over and over again in different forms?

I have reasons to believe that Varsoon is scum but not as much as CherryDP. I faked going after Varsoon and dropping the CherryDP case once and

voila

, there's CherryDP claiming scum.

Also Varsoon, what do you say about attention grabbing? It's what you claim that you're doing yet I'm getting lynched for it and you aren't?

[Saki]

Varsoon, you also talk as if my lynch is already decided.

[Saki]

Okay, I read through some ISO's and this is what I came up with.

Town

Glass

Oriole
Paschendale

Leaning Town

Saki

Titus

Dyslexicon

Null

Varsoon
Vote Me

Leaning Scum

CherryDrPepper

Flench

Tunnel Vision

Scum

JMO

That'll have to do for now. If you have any questions, shoot.

I agree with your scumread on JMO. Don't think he should be at the bottom, but still I agree that he's more scummy than town. I'd like explanations (even if brief or a gut read) on the people in bold

[Saki]

On the other hand I want everyone in this list

-Paschendale
-Flench
-Oriole
-Glass
-Dyx

to please post.
Especially Flench and Pasche who have votes on me. I want to know what you guys think of where this case is going.

[Saki]

He was not around, then he comes and gives a readslist after catching up. During the time that he was inactive he could not possibly scumhunt or townread anyone.

afaik you were active before you made yours.

[Saki]

I wanted to know about the bolded people in specific because they're people that I have trouble reading.

[Saki]

@Cherry Besides, his reads don't seem as forced as yours. You tried too hard in yours to make it seem like you weren't just parroting.

[Saki]

I try not to think twice before I post. Therefore depriving my posts of a feeling of 'artificial-ness' which is usually in the posts of people who carefully consider how their post might look to others.

My posts therefore would accurately represent my thought process which trades off coherency for truthfulness.

[Saki]

1) uh, sorry?
2) Duh, yes I do. /sarcasm
3) You ISO'd everyone in that short period?
What I don't really like about that readslist was that every single one of your reads was different to what the town was generally saying before it. I interpreted that as you trying hard to make your readslist look genuine and not just parroting.
While it is not bad to have a different opinion to the town if you read

everyone

differently I find that suspicious. (ofc everyone that could be read)

P-EDIT:

@Mod: Please prod Dyx and Vote Me.

[Saki]

Dyslexicon has been prodded.
Vote Me has been prodded.

Thanks

[Saki]

@Stubbs
I take it that you're going to go after JMO today?

[Saki]

This may seem contradictory but

What I don't really like about that readslist was that every single one of your reads was different to what the town was generally saying before it. I interpreted that as you trying hard to make your readslist look genuine and not just parroting.
While it is not bad to have a different opinion to the town if you read

everyone

differently I find that suspicious. (ofc everyone that could be read)

[Saki]

I know you said I was scum in 219, Titus, but how far has your scumread developed?

Enough to take your vote off Flench and vote me?

And I do believe that I said my playstyle revolves around deliberately drawing attention. What makes you think, specifically, that I'm not doing that and that my play is scummy/my scumslips are not deliberate?



I've seen people say my play is similar to Varsoon's but also people say my play is not similar to Varsoon's. If you guys could link certain posts which made you think that that'd be great.

[Saki]

Paschendale is conftown. It proves his scumhunting genuine but his scumreads may not always be right.
Paschendale's readslist is also not accurately representative of the town's general opinion.

And also they're not really similar, the only thing that really is similar between the two reads is the read on you, me and Glass (and the conftown+lurkers, that goes without saying)

P-Edit: wb Vote Me

[Saki]

In 219, I hadn't said you were scum but I was starting to suspect that you were. I still think Flench is more likely scum than you, so my vote stays on him but if I'm needed to hammer you I will.

Saki, your behaviors (beyond the town points for guessing your AV) seem to be more reactionary than aggressive. For instance, Varsoon's meta conflicts were put there deliberately. You seem to be more OMGUSing, tunnelling and being wishy washy. For instance, you complain people ignore you but you let jmo go right on ignoring you. You claim your vote was on Varsoon because he was the most scummy but then say you didn't mean it when pressured. Varsoon's scummy behaviors seem to be independent of pressure and done whenever we quick focusing on Varsoon. Varsoon has also not tunnelled and seems to be putting forth much more analysis on players who haven't FoSed him at all.

Varsoon being scummy without pressure is town, me being scummy with pressure is scum?

I don't like Varsoon but I have and had no intent of lynching him today. At all. I made that clear in previous posts.
This is why I think people don't read my posts. I specifically said I would be reaction fishing soon and I did (voteswapping to Varsoon) and yet people call me out on it.

So you're saying that me pushing for a Cherry lynch so strongly is 'tunneling' and therefore scummy? By not examining other players I'm scummy? By not suspecting JMO for prod dodging I'm scummy?

And the 'town posts for guessing my AV' why do you keep taking that seriously?

P-Edit :: Their reasons are different. I'll follow up on it next post.

[Saki]

"Paschendale" to "CherryDP"
Reasons for you, for example: "Town but wrong" to "Town, never lynch him"
JMO: "I kinda want to lynch this guy" to "Town, never lynch him"
Also Vote Me, Oriole, and TunnelVision. Their opinions differ a lot.

I don't see why you

only

see them disagreeing on Flench and Stubbs.

[Saki]

"Paschendale" to "CherryDP"
Reasons for you, for example: "Town but wrong" to "Town, never lynch him"
JMO: "I kinda want to lynch this guy" to "Town, never lynch him"
Also Vote Me, Oriole, and TunnelVision. Their opinions differ a lot.

I don't see why you

only

see them disagreeing on Flench and Stubbs.

[Saki]

This post is a perfect example of why you are scummy Saki. You are making conflicting points within the same post. You're saying that you want us to listen to you but you also say some of your posts were meant as a joke.

It's not pressure/without pressure totally. It's whether the scummy behavior seems part of an overarching plan. Yours does not seem to be. The whole reaction fishing with Varsoon would have meant more if you had actually kept your vote on Varsoon long enough to gather his reaction. The claim just doesn't pass the smell test to me.

Town points for guessing your AV was one of the more towny things you did if you meant that seriously. I cannot see why you want me to take that as a joke.

When I look at the reads, I'm looking for the most part at the categories Dr. Pepper and Pasch selected. Their conclusions are alarmingly similar and there's a whole lot of nulls. Occasionally their end results do diverge somewhat so I'm not certain Cherry is sheeping Pasch. I think Cherry's thinking for himself at the moment just because the reasons where Cherry agrees with Pasch seem to have a little meat on their bones.

This is also why I think people are ignoring me.

Anything before me going V/LA is a joke. I hope you understand that. I want you to take the 'town points for guessing AV' as a joke because I hold that "Anything before me going V/LA is a joke." It was actually controlled chaos to invoke discussion (and grab attention while I'm at it!) but that's no different from a joke imo.

I don't get how you say there's no 'overarching plan' when I mentioned one in 210.
How many times do I have to say I never had any intention to lynch Varsoon? Sure I don't have him as town.
The only motivation behind my vote on Varsoon was to get Cherry interested. I mentioned that.

How is JMO even in the same category? Pasche has JMO down as scum while DP has a strong townread on him. I don't think their readslists are similar in most aspects.
I also said nothing about Cherry sheeping Pasche. Why bring that up?

[Saki]

I'd really like to hear from Flench and Paschendale. About keeping their votes on me or not.

btw, I will self-vote at L-2 and claim right away

[Saki]

Oh I thought you had to claim at L-1.

Welp okay I'll claim at L-2.

[Saki]

@Saki: You could just claim at L-2 instead of putting yourself in quick-hammer territory. The last thing we need is to have a short D1.

wait what wouldn't me claiming then putting myself in quick-hammer territory give much more insight into who is scum and who isn't?

it's risky, but still.

[Saki]

@Saki: Claims shouldn't be taken lightly, and there's never reason to vote yourself unless you just want to suicide and yell at town for being incompetent. Okay, well, I did that once, but, yeah, don't.

I kinda want to atm.

[Saki]

Oh I thought you had to claim at L-1.

Welp okay I'll claim at L-2.

I'm practically sure now that Titus just doesn't read my posts at all

[Saki]

What'll happen instead is that town will hammer you (in most cases) and then day ends, scum gets a NK for free, and wagon analysis turns out terribly given the amount of articulation put into it.

As far as town frustration, it's annoying. Usually, that means that scum is winning and town is being duped into playing town v town. Break that frustration by bringing out compelling, well-articulated cases on your scum-spec

It seems compelling to cut the day short, though. It would provide a lot more insight into the setup we've been placed in. (Might confirm the presence of SK and Vig, as well as other PRs, though less obvious)

I'm only frustrated that people seem to be just not here.

P-Edit :: Titus, just think of it as newbtown paranoia. No, a vote without intent behind it wouldn't do anything because it wouldn't really make me feel threatened. I'm at L-3 right now but I don't feel flustered or threatened, just looking forward to who'll try to tip me over the edge.

[Saki]

And how glorious (?) my mislynch will be.

[Saki]

I've always said I am willing to lynch you.

VOTE: Saki

Claim, since you've said you want to. You should leave out the self-vote though.

Fine, Titus.

I am the Town Roleblocker. (now bound to be NK'd, at the very least roleblocked by scum)

...and I was so excited that I finally get to play around with a night-action

[Saki]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki
That's L-1, hey opportunistic scum!

I'm bound to be useless N1 now that I've exposed myself, might as well expose scum in trade of a D1 lynch.

[Saki]

Okay if that's not clear

When I die lynch people in this order:
Whoever the hell hammers me
Titus
CherryDP
Varsoon

[Saki]

You had me down as scummy the whole game, standing by, watching for when to hammer. It's pretty obvious you were going to vote me sooner or later. Then you start seeing newbtown PR paranoia and you jump in for the kill, urging me to claim. More likely scum than town.

Also you using statistics to refute my claim is nowhere near what I call town.

I looked up the setup information. Randomly generated roleblockers are always town.

P-Edit :: What. What would scum fakeclaim then?

[Saki]

Also scum would only get a roleblocker if town has more than three PRs. I don't do much math so I don't know how likely that is but I don't think it's very likely.

[Saki]

I'm still paranoid.

Townreading oriole for not hammering.
Scumreading Titus for not unvoting.
Scumreading Flench for not dropping a single comment (if he's here, that is).

P-EDIT: DAMMIT TITUS I'M NOT LYING.

[Saki]

Oh CherryDP is here, stronger scumread for not unvoting, either.

[Saki]

Why would you choose the single most unlikely possibility as a fakeclaim?

Why leap to claim if someone's indeed a roleblocker? I'm thinking Saki just looked and saw ooh I'm the scum roleblocker, better claim roleblocker if pressured.

I don't get why you think I'd think that hard.

[Saki]

welp now that there's an unvote out

UNVOTE:

[Saki]

Planned to do that claim shitstorm when people were more active to try and draw in more scum

[Saki]

I hate you Titus for making me rush it

[Saki]

If there's a full roleblocker, Saki's claim is pretty much a fakeclaim, but if there's a 1-shot roleblocker, Saki's pretty much confirmed.

What makes you think that tho?

BBB -> there can still be TTTT or am i missing something?

it is possible to have BBBTTTT. Just very unlikely

and I believe B is blocker and BB is blocker+1-shot blocker.

Hence Oriole's statement that if there's a 1-shot blocker BB is confirmed therefore I'm confirmed

[Saki]

Never mind I'm stupid it cna't be BBBTTTT because of Pasche

but I'm right about B/BB, right?

[Saki]

so right now we got MBXXXXX (X means unknown) obviously additional PRs and scum can narrow this down more.

I'm starting to regret claiming.
MBXXXXX is no more helpful than MXXXXXX

[Saki]

I thought L-1 would attract more players than what it just did.

Or did it go by too fast?

But is lurking through L-1 (possibly even an entire day) indicative of alignment?

P-Edit:: wb Pasche, and no I will not let you down.
P-Edit2:: DAMMIT PASCHE LEMME POST

[Saki]

Though I don't have reason to lynch lurkers as much as I have to lynch someone from the pool of Cherry, Varsoon, and Titus.

[Saki]

ACTUALLLY never mind. Reconsidering scumread priorities.

Scum #1.
Flench.

Scum #2.
Jmo.

Scum #3.
one of (CherryDP, Varsoon, Titus)

VOTE: Flench

P-EDIT : I don't like it either, Pasche, but I don't think what I'm doing is going to hurt the town in the end. Construction of Flench-scum case in progress

[Saki]

Can't prove that anyone was lurking through the L-1 specifically but can prove that people were lurking throughout the entire time I was being pressured.

[Saki]

which is imo stil scummy.

[Saki]

Construction of Flench-scum case in progress

Bascially I think that I think Flench is scum because he did not move is vote at all and still doesn't post after this whole claim business.

P-Edit :: Dunno why you'd do that. There could be more than one RB, could be less. And no I wouldn't flinch at fakehammers, especially one that comes from you Varsoon.

[Saki]

Following up from the P-Edit, you would be better off claiming that there was no RB instead of CCing RB. Or if you just want to screw with people yeah then go ahead.

P-Edit :: Dunno, I'll check. Pretty sure I'm the roleblocker, though.

[Saki]

Nope my apologies he has not been posting elsewhere.

[Saki]

It is possible that we both are roleblockers.

Given the information that you're a roleblocker the setup would be as follows:
MBBBXXX

Which is possible.

I still don't like how he never moved the vote although he could have, multiple times.

P-Edit :: You trust Varsoon right off the bat, Titus?

[Saki]

Reevaluating scumreads.

Titus, Varsoon, JMO (yes he's not afk)

VOTE: Titus

P-Edit, Oriole I doubt Varsoon would do that as that would confirm me as town.

[Saki]

Extra scumpoints for trying to dismiss my case before I even make it with OMGUS.

[Saki]

Titus, you've never actually read Varsoon as town or scum yet you trust his claim right off the bat while doubting mine at L-1 for half a page?

[Saki]

I've been pretty clear that I've always thought Varsoon as town. So yeah, I trust my town read over my scum read.

Point out the most recent post in which you've townread Varsoon.

[Saki]

Going to bed, don't expect posts from me for about 8-10 hours.

@Titus think of how you're going to get out of this one.

[Saki]

Went through an ISO of Titus before I'm going to bed.

198 You didn't even think I was scum then. That's olddddddd. So your read on Varsoon has not changed at all since then?
219 "Gambits are scummy." Varsoon's isn't?
262 You say you're conflicted about Varsoon's alignment, most likely not being able to read him.
308 "Defense is scummy while offense is not." Also you call me out on tunneling yet that's what you've been doing to me the past few pages.
You also hint at 'Varsoon's Overarching Plan' too much to make 402 legitimate.

P-Edit :: Varsoon yes there might be two roleblockers. And the case on Titus is the most solid one I can probably make at the moment. Are you worried that all your buddying with Titus is going to get you killed when Titus flips scum?

@Titus
You're trying to make something out of nothing.

[Saki]

I say lynch Titus.
Titus has been chainsawing/defending Varsoon a lot lately.
Titus has also strengthened his scumread on me.

If we lynch Titus and Titus flips scum it's almost sure that Varsoon is scum.

[Saki]

Everyone else, especially Paschendale and CherryDP seem genuinely confused by the exchange yet Titus shows no sign of confusion as if he knows that there's scum/no scum between Varsoon and me.

I don't like that. At all.

[Saki]

Short posting

ISO'd Titus yet again, don't like how most of his posts are subtly ambiguous, as if he was aware that someone might go through them later and question him about them.
Titus' shaky stance on Varsoon and his reason to believe Varsoon's claim over mine "because Varsoon is town."
Then she contradicts herself by saying "no I never said Varsoon was town, no I never said Varsoon was scum, either"
435 What.

Varsoon's claim as town RB is bullshit. (Or he might be Scum Roleblocker as Titus kindly pointed out) He's way too zealous in claiming.
Why do you feel the need to mention your role PM several times? afaik nothing would really add validation to your claim except maybe crumbing in a prev post or another PR confirming yours
Why do you feel the need to share with us your nighttarget? Scum might roleblock you. Or just have another member of the scumteam perform the nightkill. In fact your target might even be a town PR who would then have to expose himself/herself in order to direct the roleblock somewhere else.

response to post 445
Yes I FoS my attackers because I'm a town PR. Anyone that wants to string up a town PR is obviously scum.

What do you mean by 'pretty big 180'?

Also, Vote Me? You have serious reads on people that aren't me, Varsoon, or Cherry? (I don't think your read on Varsoon is serious, anyways. and your Flench case is outdated, I doubt he's even on the site.)

Also, Titus, would you say that you've been buddying Varsoon? In post 115 you say 'proactively defending someone' is buddying, and that's what you've been doing. Are you buddying Varsoon or not? Stop dodging this question.

Following that which is obvious (Titus is buddying Varsoon) then when Varsoon flips scum so are you, Titus.

89 "I am a conservative voter." You've been pretty floppy with your vote recently.

[Saki]

ignore the 'short posting' the post got longer as I found more stuff that Titus needs to answer

[Saki]

Can we just lynch varsoon?

I think Varsoon is definitely scum but I don't want to cut the day short nor let Titus dance out of this.

[Saki]

You want to lynch Titus today?

Yes.

[Saki]

I'd be willing to compromise for a Varsoon lynch and only a Varsoon lynch today given that we lynch Titus for sure tomorrow.

[Saki]

Saki, what makes you think you're going to live to see tomorrow?

What makes you think I won't? Are you validating my PR claim?

[Saki]

@Glass
For why I'm not trying to lynch Varsoon today
I'm sure the SK/vig (we're likely to have one or the other) will take care of confscum Varsoon tonight. Leave him to be dead.


Yes, Glass, Titus is defscum for buddying/defending/chainsawing Varsoon so hard.

@Varsoon
Top lynch candidate? Flench is afk and will reconsider his vote when he comes back, probably. The only ones pushing for my lynch now are you and Titus.
If anyone's the top lynch candidate it's you, Varsoon, for claiming scum.

"Block the right scum?"
There might be SKs and Vigs in this game, too, you know.

(and doctors)
Which makes it plenty possible for me to live through D1 without even using my night action.

@both of you
The only way me and Varsoon are both confirmed roleblocker if two people claim 1-shot. (MBBBBXX)
If there's one one-shot RB then it's confirmed

likely

that there's two RBs and one of us is confirmed RB. (MBBBXXX)
^ but neither of them are statistically likely

Therefore Varsoon is scum.

[Saki]

Wasn't expecting that from you Sakura.
I wasn't even looking that way, I was pointing out how Varsoon ignored the possibility of SKs, Vigs, and Doctors.

On a different note,
If 5 B's are rolled I think three RBs is possible (following the pattern.)

But the chance is .5^5 << and if that happens I'm going to laugh so hard I won't care whether I win or lose this game

P-EDIT: Titus is that a veiled threat to Glass?

'Cause Varsoon is confscum and that's case closed. You, I believe, I can crack down more on.

Intented ambiguity? Not a towntell.

You hint too obviously to be 'hints'. I've made that point already.

Do you townread Varsoon or not? You defended his RB claim 'cause he's town and shot down mine 'cause I'm scum.

I meant why do you think I made a 180? I've never townread you.

You're buddying Varsoon, please don't deny it. You've made it pretty clear you think I'm scum and Varsoon is town.

You're still pursuing that half-assed Flench case. You also did clear me but quickly voted me back when Varsoon CC'd. I call that being pretty floppy about your vote. It took a page of arguing to get you off me yet it takes one post from Varsoon to make you vote me again?

I was not rushing to get my claim I said I'd claim at L-2 when I feel threatened. You pushed me to that point, Titus, you're partly responsible for my claim.



Ok, now that Vote Me seems impossible you're trying to draw attention away from yourself with JMO? Not happening.

P-Edit2:
@titus
Not the least likely role, you pointed out that scum Roleblocker could claim Town RB too, Titus. Stop contradicting yourself.
@Varsoon
You're confscum. Once people start reading this thread there

will

more talk of voting you.

[Saki]

response to 462
Wasn't expecting that from you Sakura.
I wasn't even looking that way, I was pointing out how Varsoon ignored the possibility of SKs, Vigs, and Doctors.

On a different note,
If 5 B's are rolled I think three RBs is possible (following the pattern.)

But the chance is .5^5 << and if that happens I'm going to laugh so hard I won't care whether I win or lose this game

--------------------------------------
response to 463
P-EDIT: Titus is that a veiled threat to Glass?

'Cause Varsoon is confscum and that's case closed. You, I believe, I can crack down more on.

Intented ambiguity? Not a towntell.

You hint too obviously to be 'hints'. I've made that point already.

Do you townread Varsoon or not? You defended his RB claim 'cause he's town and shot down mine 'cause I'm scum.

I meant why do you think I made a 180? I've never townread you.

You're buddying Varsoon, please don't deny it. You've made it pretty clear you think I'm scum and Varsoon is town.

You're still pursuing that half-assed Flench case. You also did clear me but quickly voted me back when Varsoon CC'd. I call that being pretty floppy about your vote. It took a page of arguing to get you off me yet it takes one post from Varsoon to make you vote me again?

I was not rushing to get my claim I said I'd claim at L-2 when I feel threatened. You pushed me to that point, Titus, you're partly responsible for my claim.



Ok, now that Vote Me seems impossible you're trying to draw attention away from yourself with JMO? Not happening.
--------------------------------------
response to 465
P-Edit2:
@titus
Not the least likely role, you pointed out that scum Roleblocker could claim Town RB too, Titus. Stop contradicting yourself.
--------------------------------------
response to 466
@Varsoon
You're confscum. Once people start reading this thread there

will

more talk of voting you.

[Saki]

fuck I meant post 463 not vote 463.
Sorry for that.

FTFY, feeling generous today.
~DBK

[Saki]

fuck I meant post 463 not vote 463.
Sorry for that.

FTFY, feeling generous today.
~DBK

thank you, ily

<3

[Saki]

@Saki, I was not threatening Glass. I was telling him I noticed something in his posts and I don't think he meant to hint at it.

You also seem to fail with the context. The least likely role meant the least likely for town to be and therefore roleblocker is the least likely to be counterclaimed.

I townread Varson. I don't really care if I give off a townread (especially to my scum suspects). I'll do what I think is best for the town. If that means highlighting Varsoon's actions and moving on so he can live through the night, so be it.

The 180 was regarding your position on Cherry. Cherry's all scummy until he begins to hesitate voting you. Then Cherry's town.

Let's leave that up to Glass.

You specifically said it was likely for a scum RB to be in the game and easy for a scum RB to claim (and by that logic, also counterclaim) town RB. Not the least likely role for town to fakeclaim, as stated by you.

Then make that stance clear, instead of posting shit like 435.

I never specifically said Cherry is town. I said Cherry and Pasche look confused while you don't look dazed at all, therefore you're scum.

[Saki]

Intented ambiguity? Not a towntell.

You hint too obviously to be 'hints'. I've made that point already.

You're still pursuing that half-assed Flench case. You also did clear me but quickly voted me back when Varsoon CC'd. I call that being pretty floppy about your vote. It took a page of arguing to get you off me yet it takes one post from Varsoon to make you vote me again?

I was not rushing to get my claim I said I'd claim at L-2 when I feel threatened. You pushed me to that point, Titus, you're partly responsible for my claim.

Reply to those points Titus. At least try to argue them, scum.



Hey Varsoon how 'bout you actually read every single one of my posts again because you and Titus don't seem to be, at all. Or maybe you just can't read?

I said Titus is buddying you not only because he's calling you town but because he's been defending/chainsawing you. I think that has to be the fifth time I wrote that.

[Saki]

derp quote.
Sorry.

[Saki]

Yeah, he's defending me because he's convinced I'm town. I can soft-confirm this because I'm convinced he's town.

Would you be happy with a titus-mislynch, Saki?

I'm saying that's buddying, clearly.

He's scum, dammit. Don't threaten me.

[Saki]

I slipped once. Sorry, Titus.

@Varsoon
There aren't any votes yet because I doubt people are even active.
And the active ones are still trying to get over the shock/make sense of the Town RB claim and counterclaim.

P-EDIT:
@Titus
"Would you be okay with mislynch?" sounds like a threat.
Yes I see two people town-reading each other as not buddying. Defending each other? Buddying.

@Varsoon
Line as in underline or strikethrough?
P-Edit2:
@Titus
You never said he made sense to you.

[Saki]

Never mind, our lovely mod fixed that for you.

[Saki]

@Varsoon
As sure as I think you are scum.

[Saki]

@Titus
Null, neither of them seem to be understanding what's going on.

[Saki]

@Saki: So, what happens when we're all town?

impossibru

at the very least one of you two is scum

no I'm kidding you're both scum

If we're all town then scum and SK get to laugh. And Pasche gets to tear his hair out.

Jmo's scum. Flench is null/scum.

@Saki: Answer meeeee

Yeah, yeah. Sorry.

[Saki]

@Titus
Null, neither of them seem to be understanding what's going on.

To clarify I don't have either of their opinions on the shitstorm that's happened in the last five pages.

@Cherry
IM SURE THEY'RE SCUM THOUGH

[Saki]

@Sakura
I'm not assigning alignments to people, my scumread on Titus is genuine. And Varsoon has already claimed scum so w.e.

[Saki]

I understand your concern. However, that would require the .3 chance that there's one roleblocker, assuming that, then there's about a 1/4 chance of a second roleblocker even if the first statement is true and the odds get dramatically lower for a third roleblocker... no I think it's astronomical that you are both town.

Is there, then, a chance that Varsoon and I are both town and one of us (or both) are fakeclaiming RB?

@Sakura
So you don't want either me or Varsoon strung up. Who, then?

[Saki]

@Mod, can a scum roleblocker roleblock a town roleblocker and vice versa?

Forgive the paranoia, but I'd rather have a host confirm.

I really don't like not lynching in a setup where there is a confirmed scum involved, especially if we have a mislynch.

The only benefit to this plan I see is that scum would be silly to kill either of the roleblockers, leaving the roleblocker certain to live.

@Saki, If Varsoon is not a roleblocker, I cannot see why he would claim roleblocker falsely. I also cannot see why you as town would claim roleblocker falsely given the fact you wanted to claim. So no, I doubt that either one of you is town lying about being town roleblocker.

'Confirmed scum.' Me or Varsoon?

Pasche mentioned VT claiming RB to attract NKs. Could that not be possible?


on a completely unrelated note
Is the bolded part what people call WIFOM?

[Saki]

That explanation didn't help my understanding of WIFOM at all.

[Saki]

"Pasche mentioned VT claiming RB to attract NKs. Could that not be possible?"
Asking this again.

[Saki]

@Titus
You don't believe it might be part of 'Varsoon's Overarching Plan'?

@Sakura Hana
ah.
Maybe I'll just go watch the movie again.

P-EDIT:
Newp, was considering the possibility of Varsoon being VT.
I'm Town Roleblocker.

I am sure of the possibility, given your opinion of him, that you would think that Varsoon would be capable of CCing to prove me scum as well as attracting the NK at the same time.

@Varsoon
nuu
I need to have you around.

[Saki]

Possibility that he's a one-shot PR?

I would not call his behavior so far an attempt to survive N1.

[Saki]

Wait why would someone act scummy to survive the night as a PR?

SKs/Vigs would prioritize scum as their kills. That doesn't make any sense.

[Saki]

'Cause Varsoon genuinely believe's that I'm scum (and so do you). Sorry for intercepting the question.

Why even ask?

[Saki]

'Cause Varsoon genuinely believe

'

s that I'm scum (and so do you). Sorry for intercepting the question.

Why even ask?

that apostrophe should not be there. mb

[Saki]

Sorry stubbs

Saki, I'm thinking about risk reward here. Unless I was 100% certain the target claiming roleblocker was scum, I never would counterclaim as a townie. It doesn't make sense. The risk outweighs the reward. Varsoon seems to be having some doubts due to the possibility of scum passing through the night. The only way is doubts could be accurate is that one of the lurkers is a one shot roleblocker.

But that's you, not Varsoon!

Varsoon seemed certain that I was scum at the time of his counterclaim. Don't see why he wouldn't.

You also said Varsoon made no sense to you.


Varsoon is worried about scum passing through the night? I don't feel that coming from him. ('cause I don't think he's anywhere near town yet)

I doubt a lurker will claim anything. They aren't even lurkers, most of them. Just people that don't post a hundred posts a day like some of us here.

And one 1-shot RB claim only validates one of me/Varsoon's claims not both. What makes you think scum can't fakeclaim one-shot to make sure the lynch happens between me and Varsoon? Fake-claiming one-shot isn't hard, you just have to pretend to be useless for a night.

[Saki]

10 pages since my catchup post? Way behind again!

Indeed, i'm liking these players, they are very active

-Sakura Hana

I think we've left the other's too far behind

[Saki]

I'd like to think that my read list put this game in higher gear

you sure you aren't in the wrong game

[Saki]

@Stubbs, extremely outdated.

I used that argument against you but you denied it.



On the other hand, I'd like to discuss the possibility of someone fakeclaiming one-shot

[Saki]

BBB = 2 full town roleblockers + 1-shot

"If Varsoon is a RB and so am I, then there must be a one-shot out there somewhere, at least."

My impression of what Titus is getting at.

[Saki]

Which is old, old considering that we all know that and now I'm paranoid of a one-shot RB fakeclaim.

[Saki]

This setup is so counter-initiative.

We'd have to have three bs roll up regardless and I don't think three bbb are rolling in a setup like this. That's down in the 1-5% range IMO.

So you think that Varsoon and I are

both

town RBs for sure?

[Saki]

Never mind I'm misinterpreting stuff again.

[Saki]

Oh my god I had it wrong for the entire two pages

I thought this:
B - 1 RB
BB - 1 RB + 1 1shot RB
BBB - 2 RB + 1 1shot RB
BBBB - 2RB + 2 1shot RB and so on...

[Saki]

Since we have to get to three roleblockers being rolled, the odds dip to below five percent that both Saki and Varsoon are telling the truth.

your conclusion is...?

[Saki]

I'm gone for a day and there are 12 new pages, wtf is going on? Starting the long read.

welcome back.
yer at L-1

[Saki]

Yes that's why I posted 552

Titus is still scum

I just noticed that she keeps trying to get attention off her

[Saki]

Do you guys realize that we've been dwelving into setup speculation more than in actual scum hunting?

-Sakura Hana

We have indeed gotten distracted, if that's viewed as distraction. The slim likelihood of both Saki and Varsoon telling the truth is precisely what motivates me to want a lynch between the two of them.

@Saki, why did you lie to Flench?

I can't look for reaction tells?

He's apparently the second scumread of CherryDP. I could've forced something out of him if it weren't for you meddling kids

P-EDIT
look a giant circle, titus

[Saki]

Taking my hands off my computer for an hour.

I prodded Flench 'cause I don't like him either for never moving his vote.

@Everyone

When you catch up please look at Titus/Varsoon/Saki(me) closely

[Saki]

Okay on my phone since I realized people are back

Everyone forget giant readslists that don't contain at least three sentences about me Titus Varsoon

Jmo stronger case on Var
Stubbs stronger case please
Sakura/DP still after Flench now that he's back

[Saki]

would reading me newbtown explain everything

[Saki]

first time playing pr ever

there was no way I was getting out of that mess with both Cherry and pasche voting for me (+that flench static vote)

i was going to get lynched since noone would've bothered to help me

claimed to attract scum and voila titus

[Saki]

Varsoon and Titus sitting in a tree
D-I-S-T-R-A-C-T-I-N-G

wait that doesn't work does it

[Saki]

@TunnelVision

What.

Keep your damn temper under control and actually scumhunt plz. kthx


In your opinion, what CoA should I have taken to avoid getting lynched D1? It was going to happen. If I hadn't claimed you would've returned to a PR strung up and one very frustrated Saki.

I wasn't begging for votes, I simply said I'd self-vote and claim once another vote was on me. My reasoning behind it being that I was a PR and I would self-vote while claiming, opening myself up to scum quickhammer at L-1 (netting easy scum #1) but again at the same time keeping the ability to unvote as I don't want to die.

And I seriously thought that it would be scummy to claim before L-1. I've never actually had a game where someone claimed before L-1.


and yes I'm serious about all that.

TL;DR I was going to get lynched anyways might as well take down scum with me.

"Why the hell, then, Saki, would you think that you were going to get lynched?" I'm sure this is what you're getting at TV
Flench afk vote really unnerved me
also the pasche vote, like what the hell did I do.
CherryDP pushing me so hard
Varsoon and Titus pushing me even harder

everyone else not even in the thread. Yes I did think my lynch was inevitable unless I claimed.

[Saki]

@Varsoon
I don't think you've ever seriously pressured Titus except for that one vote.

I don't like the way you and Titus keep turning the conversation in different ways

@Sakura
Uh, okay?

TV just sparked townrage in me

[Saki]

@CherryDrPepper I understand that fear. A tracker would be useful here but it's impossible. There's a greater chance of both Varsoon and Saki being scum than neither of them.

Yeah, I still don't buy this argument.

would you buy scumTitus--scumVarsoon

[Saki]

@Saki: Quickhammering someone at L-1 is null.
I don't need to pressure someone to read them. The interactions my vote-swap and your posts got out of Titus was enough for me to put him in the town pool.

Not if I claim town PR and I flip town PR.

Really? It painted him as scummier for me.

@Oriole
Don't you think Titus defends Varsoon too much for both of them to be scum?

[Saki]

town*

There's no way both of them are town with that much defending

sorry typo

[Saki]

Titus ISO
198 You think Varsoon is suspicious, but town. You think he's going to die N1.
312

This isn't defending Varsoon?

397401 What.
402 "Avoid a night kill." Above you thought his behavior was meant to get himself killed N1 now you say it's to get himself through N1?
423

This isn't defending Varsoon either?

465 Roleblocker is least likely claim. (348, contradiction much?)
484 That's all the reaction there is?
Varsoon just did what I did in 255. You see me voting varsoon then switching back to me as scummy. When Varsoon votes you and switches back to me that's town? You let that slide?

[Saki]

Unvote

I need time to look at the thread more. Titus is really suspect, but I think he's town. Saki's a believable town who I think is scum. Dunno what to go with.

you

[Saki]

I disagree with everyone that says lynch between me and Varsoon. There's just so many ways that could go wrong.

So it's pretty good idea to lynch Titus.
Titus flips scum, Varsoon is auto-scum.

[Saki]

Ok, it looks like we may need Pasch to break the tie to decide what we are going to do. Tunnel, Dys and I seem to be in agreement we should lynch one of the roleblocker claimers. Cherry, Glass and Varsoon seem to be against that.

I'd say let's split the difference and look at some other suspects but carefully watch Varsoon and Saki's analysis. If either of them act scummy in their readings (separate from the claims) we should lynch them.

@Glass, I think scum looked at the odds of a 95 percent not roleblocker for each individual spot and figured no cc would happen rather than the aggregate which places about a 30 percent likelihood of a cc roleblocker claim. Still, remote enough for a possible gambit from an early claimer.

try harder for towncred, Titus

VOTE: Titus

[Saki]

Second: I get that you didn't want to get lynched, but you weren't doing it to avoid lynch... You WANTED to claim. Why? What is the motivation for wanting to claim so bad? You couldve brought your a game, made a case against a scum all, lobbied for more time before lynch (we have lots of days before dayphase deadline.

You had options that you didn't exhaust.

.. You WANTED to claim.

What options I see none except the claim. I specifically said I didn't want to claim, too. Titus's L-2 vote is why I claimed, not because I wanted to claim.

[Saki]

*yawn*
I said specifically that I'd claim once I felt pressured because I was taking Titus lightly (and he wasn't going to bother going after my lynch, given how he was after a Flench lynch). Apparently he shouldn't be 'cause he's scum.

[Saki]

Second: I get that you didn't want to get lynched, but you weren't doing it to avoid lynch... You WANTED to claim. Why? What is the motivation for wanting to claim so bad? You couldve brought your a game, made a case against a scum all, lobbied for more time before lynch (we have lots of days before dayphase deadline.

You had options that you didn't exhaust.

.. You WANTED to claim.

What options I see none except the claim. I specifically said I didn't want to claim, too. Titus's L-2 vote is why I claimed, not because I wanted to claim.

Enlighten me, TV, 'cause I really don't know.

[Saki]

Ok, it looks like we may need Pasch to break the tie to decide what we are going to do. Tunnel, Dys and I seem to be in agreement we should lynch one of the roleblocker claimers. Cherry, Glass and Varsoon seem to be against that.

I'd say let's split the difference and look at some other suspects but carefully watch Varsoon and Saki's analysis. If either of them act scummy in their readings (separate from the claims) we should lynch them.

@Glass, I think scum looked at the odds of a 95 percent not roleblocker for each individual spot and figured no cc would happen rather than the aggregate which places about a 30 percent likelihood of a cc roleblocker claim. Still, remote enough for a possible gambit from an early claimer.

try harder for towncred, Titus

VOTE: Titus

You missed trying to put this against me Titus

[Saki]

I've always said I am willing to lynch you.

VOTE: Saki

Claim, since you've said you want to. You should leave out the self-vote though.

[Saki]

Ok, it looks like we may need Pasch to break the tie to decide what we are going to do. Tunnel, Dys and I seem to be in agreement we should lynch one of the roleblocker claimers. Cherry, Glass and Varsoon seem to be against that.

I'd say let's split the difference and look at some other suspects but carefully watch Varsoon and Saki's analysis. If either of them act scummy in their readings (separate from the claims) we should lynch them.

@Glass, I think scum looked at the odds of a 95 percent not roleblocker for each individual spot and figured no cc would happen rather than the aggregate which places about a 30 percent likelihood of a cc roleblocker claim. Still, remote enough for a possible gambit from an early claimer.

try harder for towncred, Titus

VOTE: Titus

You missed trying to put this against me Titus

I'm not going to respond to a comment that's just an insult/mudslinging and wouldn't further the discussion at all.

I actually think that's a pretty good point I'm making against you.

[Saki]

I've always said I am willing to lynch you.

VOTE: Saki

Claim, since you've said you want to. You should leave out the self-vote though.

I took you lightly before this, did not take you as wanting to lynch me at all. You were

so

set on Flench.

[Saki]

You think it's me seeking town cred. It was me suggesting a course of action trying hard not to get caught up in the same course of action/tunneling. Not seeing much to discuss there.

You were not acting as scummy when I voted Flench for what I perceived and still perceive as a slip. You started acting somewhat scummy and wanted to claim, so I created the scenario to make that happen by voting you.

Yes you're trying extremely hard for towncred. Deny it outright or accept it outright. Don't turn the question to something else.

So you going in circles about setup speculation with Sakura and oriole is not getting "caught up in the same course of action"?
Trying not to tunnel -- I guess that's why you traded questions with Varsoon at 321? Not buddying Varsoon?

I never wanted to claim. Please link me a post where I explicitly said I wanted to claim.

@TV You're scum.

[Saki]

That?
I was replying to "yell at town for being incompetent."

Jesus.
Misrep.

You've deathtunneled me for around fifteen pages based off a misrep. How do you feel now?

[Saki]

Welp, Titus.

You've said Varsoon is too scummy to be scum.
Why aren't you too town to be town? 'cause nerbody in this thread tries harder than you to look town.

[Saki]

You could have corrected that assumption, the numerous times I've relied on that. I've said you wanted to claim for pages now. Here's where you now claim that's never what you intended. Plus, why did you feel the need to self-vote yourself to get in the position to claim Saki?

@CherryPepper, I'm genuinely suspicious of claims that I feel that people want to make. I wasn't certain Saki was scum and I'm still not. I'm not going to just go, he claimed PR so he's innocent. I'll push until I'm confident either way.

I'm out for awhile

Didn't notice because I think all your posts are bullshit.

I genuinely thought one

had

to claim at L-1.

[Saki]

@Saki, I've always said that I felt Varsoon had a plan with his scuminess. If you can see/show there's no logical plan behind Varsoon's behavior, I'd be totally fine with lynching Varsoon. I just find you to be the scummier of the two. I'm not going to just ignore everything you say due to my opinion that you're scummy because I could indeed be wrong.

You haven't expressed "I'm okay with lynching Varsoon" at all by chainsawing.
Why defend him if you're okay with lynching him?

Also aren't you going to take another stab at Varsoon's plan 'cause you were wrong both times now?

You've had a history of not reading my posts/misrepping me. "I'm not going to just ignore everything you say" mhmm.

"I could indeed be wrong." You're

still

not sure that I'm scum? Then why not sit back and wait instead of continuing to tunnel?

[Saki]

@TV
I have denied 'wanting to claim' every single time anyone that questioned me about it. You still think I wanted to claim? Stop.

Explanation.

@TunnelVision

What.

Keep your damn temper under control and actually scumhunt plz. kthx

In your opinion, what CoA should I have taken to avoid getting lynched D1?

It was going to happen. If I hadn't claimed you would've returned to a PR strung up and one very frustrated Saki.

I wasn't begging for votes, I simply said I'd self-vote and claim once another vote was on me. My reasoning behind it being that I was a PR and I would self-vote while claiming, opening myself up to scum quickhammer at L-1 (netting easy scum #1) but again at the same time keeping the ability to unvote as I don't want to die.

And I seriously thought that it would be scummy to claim before L-1. I've never actually had a game where someone claimed before L-1.


and yes I'm serious about all that.

TL;DR I was going to get lynched anyways might as well take down scum with me.

"Why the hell, then, Saki, would you think that you were going to get lynched?" I'm sure this is what you're getting at TV
Flench afk vote really unnerved me
also the pasche vote, like what the hell did I do.
CherryDP pushing me so hard
Varsoon and Titus pushing me even harder

everyone else not even in the thread. Yes I did think my lynch was inevitable unless I claimed.

Answer question in bold please.

[Saki]

I also think you're scum now.
What do you make of that. Wanna hear the case?

[Saki]

I also think you're scum now.
What do you make of that. Wanna hear the case?

Posting it anyways.

Come back from afk with an outrageous idea that noone would possibly entertain.

Then start slinging shit at me 'cause people still like me for scum.

Then switch over to Varsoon after people start making it clear some of them would like to lynch between the RBs.

Now you're deathtunneling me and Varsoon.

I have no reason to believe there is even a shred of town motivation in there.

[Saki]

@tunnel: Funny that you came into the thread looking to exploit a lynch. Anywaaaay.
I originally wanted attention so I would come off as VI and wouldn't be a lynch target or NK.
Earlier, in-thread, I explained why explaining my methods would be pro-scum.
Admitting to town what I'm up to equates to admitting to scum as to what I'm up to.
So, yeah, if I don't live through the night, it's due to belligerent rubes like you.

You actually agree with me on something. That's weird.

[Saki]

TL;DR I was going to get lynched anyways might as well take down scum with me.

First: How does claiming assist with taking down scum? It doesn't.

Second: I get that you didn't want to get lynched, but you weren't doing it to avoid lynch... You WANTED to claim. Why? What is the motivation for wanting to claim so bad? You couldve brought your a game, made a case against a scum all, lobbied for more time before lynch (we have lots of days before dayphase deadline. You had options that you didn't exhaust... You WANTED to claim.

-1-

Answer to question in bold above. Second paragraph. I already answered it. You fight. You look for scum. You buy time. You appeal to logic and reason. You say "Lynch me later, let's keep looking for scum for a bit since we have x days until deadline." You avoid telling everybody that you are a powerful special butterfly. You do everything you can. Instead... You did the opposite.

Ill death tunnel you both until you answer my questions. Whether you admit it or not, secretly or openly, deep down or just top of mind... You wanted to claim. That's fine. It's okay. Having a power role is cool and exciting. You were like Ron Burgundy without a camera and a newsroom... Just a message board. You were so excited about banging Veronica Corningstone that you couldn't wait to tell the whole world. It's okay. Tell us why.

Attribute it to my mistake and inexperience then I have no idea how to explain it further because I thought I made everything clear in 582.

[Saki]

I also don't get that humorous (and/or derogatory) reference.

Try not to do that anymore it makes your posts harder to read.

[Saki]

Coming up- an ISO dive on interactions between Titus and Varsoon. Made a bit more complicated when Varsoon came up 119 times in Titus's ISO.

At least someone is starting to suspect Titus (other than Cherry).

[Saki]

I just realized we made 300 posts in the period of 24 hours.

[Saki]

I just realized we made 300 posts in the period of 24 hours.

It's going to be

soo

hard to catch up and most of it is chaos created by me.

Damn I feel guilty.

[Saki]

Whatever anyone says I am not role-blocking Titus or Varsoon

[Saki]

I think we should be lynching outside of Varsoon and Saki today.

Scum will have to kill them so they don't block a kill and get a guilty that way. If they try and play WIFOM with letting one of them hang around a couple nights so we'll lynch them, all the more chances to block a kill.

@Varsoon I'd rather both of you just aimed to block kills, though.

What do you think of people that don't agree?

[Saki]

@Saki: Welcome to a Varsoon game. I've been in two record-winning games for most posts in D1.

Assuming you weren't kidding what's the actual record.
Let's break it.

[Saki]

Records

wtf.jpg
nope.jpg


P-EDIT: Statistics are worse than damned lies.

[Saki]

Whatever anyone says I am not role-blocking Titus or Varsoon.

Why?

Likely both of them will die N1.

[Saki]

Whatever anyone says I am not role-blocking Titus or Varsoon.

Why?

Likely both of them will die N1.

I meant, likely Varsoon will die N1. Titus dies D1.

[Saki]

So, people who support lynching between Saki(me) and Varsoon, your main argument is numbers..?

[Saki]

Why vote me all of a sudden?
He's disappeared since somewhere in the 300s.

[Saki]

I'm aware...

Just going through ISOs. I really think that there are a few scum in our pile of lurkers, and that stood out to me.

So you'd rather lynch a lurker over Titus...

[Saki]

I'd really like an explanation behind VoteMe calling me town/saying he'd never vote me, since it seems like straightforward buddying.

Now?

[Saki]

unrelated note: ya think we could top 2700?

[Saki]

I'd really like an explanation behind VoteMe calling me town/saying he'd never vote me, since it seems like straightforward buddying.

Now?

Why now.

[Saki]

On both counts.

Double vote Cherry?
and what.
LF explanation I'm confused again

[Saki]

Because the more that I think about it, it feels like one of our lurkers is sitting back and coasting while we Wifom the fuck out of two RB claims.

So lynch Cherry?
Doesn't solve the lurker problem.

My first vote wasn't a legal vote.

Seemed legal enough.

[Saki]

No, a vote needs to be on a single line, so..

Vote: Saki

is legal while

Vote: Saki

is not.

Vote: Cherry

It feels like Cherry is actively participating in pitting us against each other

Duly noted, thanks.

And Titus wasn't "actively participating in pitting us against each other"?

[Saki]

No, a vote needs to be on a single line, so..

Vote: Saki

is legal while

Vote: Saki

is not.

Vote: Cherry

It feels like Cherry is actively participating in pitting us against each other

Duly noted, thanks.

And Titus

isn't

"actively participating in pitting us against each other"?

[Saki]

Where did you get that idea Varsoon? at most i've said i still want our 2 claimed RBs alive

-Sakura Hana

been meaning to ask you this

You still after Flench?
Consider voting Titus?

[Saki]

Oh, maybe I'm trippin' hard.

unvote

Who said that the lynch today should be between Titus, Me, and Saki, then?

I don't think anyone has come close to actually saying they want to lynch Titus other than me.

[Saki]

sling some suspicion at Titus, guys
*puppy eyes*

P-EDIT:
@Sakura
Giving up on Flench?

secret hydra quarters

disturbing yet erotic

[Saki]

Nope, not giving up on him, just because right now we got a more active possible scum doesn't mean my scum read of Flench dissapeared,

the scum read that went to null is you tho.

-Sakura Hana

Why feel the need to say that.

[Saki]

Varsoon, RVS is long over.

[Saki]

Fuck it, balls deep.

Vote: Titus

Is that where your vote will stay?
FOREVER?

[Saki]

Fuck it, balls deep.

Vote: Titus

Is that where your vote will stay?
FOREVER?

AND EVER AND EVER?

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yer the last person I thought would vote Titus

[Saki]

yer the last person I thought would vote Titus

Titus flips scum, you're nearly auto-scum. Thoughts?

[Saki]

yer the last person I thought would vote Titus

Titus flips scum, you're nearly auto-scum. Thoughts?

'you' as in Varsoon

[Saki]

Thoughts are that I'll handle that if it becomes an issue on D2.

I'm going to push you personally.

Yer going to handle me?, ner you cannot ser.

[Saki]

Don't lynch me while I'm gone however tempting that may be.

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Sorry folks, meatworld has claimed Saki.
dw Saki always finds his way out of it somehow he'll be back in around 36-48 hours.