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[Saki]

Oh I thought you had to claim at L-1.

Welp okay I'll claim at L-2.

[CherryDrPepper]

Technically you can claim at any time, but it's better not to do it unless you're in danger because if you're a PR then scum will go after you

-Sakura Hana

[Saki]

@Saki: You could just claim at L-2 instead of putting yourself in quick-hammer territory. The last thing we need is to have a short D1.

wait what wouldn't me claiming then putting myself in quick-hammer territory give much more insight into who is scum and who isn't?

it's risky, but still.

[Does Bo Know]

Votecount 1.12

[L-3] Saki - Flench, Paschendale, CherryDrPepper, Varsoon
[L-4] CherryDrPepper - Dyslexicon, oriole, Saki
[L-5] jmo16mla - Glass, StubbsKVM
[L-6] Glass - jmo16mla
[L-6] Flench - Titus

Not Voting: Vote Me, TunnelVision

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Friday, August 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 PM CST ((expired on 2013-08-02 19:30:00)).

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[Varsoon]

Right on.

1) I've never played on any sites before this. On this one, feel free to check my game history. I have about half-a-dozen completed.

2) I try to find slips in logic, usually across a series of posts. That's why I often ask people for their reads. I also look out for players who use exclusive information in order to push a lynch or who try to exploit information in order to do so. For instance, Saki's tried to exploit that I guessed at his avatar. I usually don't mind when a thing like this is used to support a case against a player, but when it's the foundation of one, it gets to be a bit weak and scum-oriented in my opinion.

3) I usually see all the players as scum until proven otherwise. Of course, in my mind, no one is confirmed as scum or town until their alignment is confirmed in-thread by the mod. Everything is in flux, but I typically don't trust other players until they earn it.

4) I don't like setup speculation, since it usually leads to PR abuse, which is a situation scum can easily take advantage of. I've seen it completely crush town in a few games I've been in on-site. I usually don't engage in setup speculation and I don't like the WIFOM that comes with people claiming roles. It's exclusive knowledge, which, as I explained earlier, is something that is dangerous to town.

5) Oriole makes a few good points from time to time and is playing a lot like a player who wants to contribute to town but doesn't want to have a loud voice in doing so. I've got Oriole's slot leaning town at this point, and the skepticism from him has been pretty town-oriented, imo.

6) Paschendale - Confirmed town, and is usually very methodical as town. Glad to see Pasche in a conf town slot, since it means town will get work done.
StubbsKVM - Don't know what to think about this slot, but he's compliant and his VLA isn't scummy, so he's leaning town for me.
Vote Me - Null. I need to see that catch-up post he promised us.
TunnelVision - Lives up to his name. Hasn't produced much outside of a short tunnel on me. If that was pressure, it wasn't felt. V/LA is null, too.
Dyslexicon - Dyslexicon is a good player, but he's playing VERY carefully this game. It's causing me to feel really paranoid, and given the amount of posts there, I just can't read the slot without the nagging feeling I'm being tricked.
JMO - While JMO's post-count is high, his content is low. I'd like to see the slot produce content for once, instead of coasting. I talked about this earlier in-thread. Otherwise, scummy.

So, ultimately, put pressure on Vote Me/Stubbs/Dys/Tunnel to contribute posts to the thread and for JMO to put content into his posts.

7) It usually has to do with putting a vote on them and building a huge, stupidly long case. I'll do anything to garner a response from someone I think needs to contribute.


@Saki: Claims shouldn't be taken lightly, and there's never reason to vote yourself unless you just want to suicide and yell at town for being incompetent. Okay, well, I did that once, but, yeah, don't.

[Varsoon]

Also, scum would have to be pretty stupid to quickhammer you if you put yourself at L-1 and claimed town.

[Saki]

@Saki: Claims shouldn't be taken lightly, and there's never reason to vote yourself unless you just want to suicide and yell at town for being incompetent. Okay, well, I did that once, but, yeah, don't.

I kinda want to atm.

[Titus]

@Saki, you seriously make no sense whatsoever. Why put yourself at L-1?

@Varsoon, you missed my questions.

[Titus]

@Varsoon, nevermind just saw them. Thanks.

[Varsoon]

What'll happen instead is that town will hammer you (in most cases) and then day ends, scum gets a NK for free, and wagon analysis turns out terribly given the amount of articulation put into it.

As far as town frustration, it's annoying. Usually, that means that scum is winning and town is being duped into playing town v town. Break that frustration by bringing out compelling, well-articulated cases on your scum-spec

[Saki]

Oh I thought you had to claim at L-1.

Welp okay I'll claim at L-2.

I'm practically sure now that Titus just doesn't read my posts at all

[Titus]

I'll vote you and immediately change back to Flench if it's just a numbers game Saki, or you could just consider my vote "on you" for purposes of claiming if you really want to claim.

[Titus]

@Saki, how am I responding to your posts if I'm not reading them? I'm legitimately confused by the behavior you are displaying... threatening self-voting, inconsistencies, claiming things that are visibly untrue...

[Saki]

What'll happen instead is that town will hammer you (in most cases) and then day ends, scum gets a NK for free, and wagon analysis turns out terribly given the amount of articulation put into it.

As far as town frustration, it's annoying. Usually, that means that scum is winning and town is being duped into playing town v town. Break that frustration by bringing out compelling, well-articulated cases on your scum-spec

It seems compelling to cut the day short, though. It would provide a lot more insight into the setup we've been placed in. (Might confirm the presence of SK and Vig, as well as other PRs, though less obvious)

I'm only frustrated that people seem to be just not here.

P-Edit :: Titus, just think of it as newbtown paranoia. No, a vote without intent behind it wouldn't do anything because it wouldn't really make me feel threatened. I'm at L-3 right now but I don't feel flustered or threatened, just looking forward to who'll try to tip me over the edge.

[Saki]

And how glorious (?) my mislynch will be.

[CherryDrPepper]

hmm guess Saki could be VI too, but omfg if it's not the scummiest player i've ever seen... i still think he's more likely to be newbscum than VI, he doesn't seem to know what to do and just decides to try to cover his footsteps and getting caught doing so

[CherryDrPepper]

EBWODP: -Sakura Hana

[Titus]

I've always said I am willing to lynch you.

VOTE: Saki

Claim, since you've said you want to. You should leave out the self-vote though.

[Saki]

I've always said I am willing to lynch you.

VOTE: Saki

Claim, since you've said you want to. You should leave out the self-vote though.

Fine, Titus.

I am the Town Roleblocker. (now bound to be NK'd, at the very least roleblocked by scum)

...and I was so excited that I finally get to play around with a night-action

[Saki]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saki
That's L-1, hey opportunistic scum!

I'm bound to be useless N1 now that I've exposed myself, might as well expose scum in trade of a D1 lynch.

[Saki]

Okay if that's not clear

When I die lynch people in this order:
Whoever the hell hammers me
Titus
CherryDP
Varsoon

[Titus]

Why am I scummy Saki, beyond the fact that I find you scummy?

There's about a fifty percent change of a town roleblocker being in the game (.95^11). It's much more likely a scum roleblocker is present in the game. I believe you are a roleblocker Saki, just the scum roleblocker.

[oriole]

^Incorrect math, chance is 30.2%. There's only 7 random numbers generated.

Also, who fake-claims roleblocker?

[Titus]

Roleblocker is an excellent fake claim for a scum roleblocker. After all, you just ask who did you roleblock and the scum roleblocker can give the same answer as a town roleblocker would.

I stand corrected on my math though.

[Saki]

You had me down as scummy the whole game, standing by, watching for when to hammer. It's pretty obvious you were going to vote me sooner or later. Then you start seeing newbtown PR paranoia and you jump in for the kill, urging me to claim. More likely scum than town.

Also you using statistics to refute my claim is nowhere near what I call town.

I looked up the setup information. Randomly generated roleblockers are always town.

P-Edit :: What. What would scum fakeclaim then?