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[Does Bo Know]

Votecount 1.17

[L-4] Saki - Flench, Varsoon, Titus
[L-5] CherryDrPepper - Dyslexicon, oriole
[L-5] jmo16mla - Glass, StubbsKVM
[L-6] Titus - Saki
[L-6] Varsoon - jmo16mla

Not Voting: TunnelVision, Vote Me, CherryDrPepper, Paschendale

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Friday, August 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 PM CST ((expired on 2013-08-02 19:30:00)).

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[jmo16mla]

Can we just lynch varsoon?

[Saki]

Can we just lynch varsoon?

I think Varsoon is definitely scum but I don't want to cut the day short nor let Titus dance out of this.

[jmo16mla]

You want to lynch Titus today?

[Varsoon]

I could explain why your arguments against me are weak, but it'd be pro-scum to do so.

[Saki]

You want to lynch Titus today?

Yes.

[Saki]

I'd be willing to compromise for a Varsoon lynch and only a Varsoon lynch today given that we lynch Titus for sure tomorrow.

[Varsoon]

Saki, what makes you think you're going to live to see tomorrow?

[Saki]

Saki, what makes you think you're going to live to see tomorrow?

What makes you think I won't? Are you validating my PR claim?

[Glass]

I'll be back tonight but here are my thoughts atm.

UNVOTE:

Pray tell what do you wanna hear from us Glass.

Just more in general really since I don't have a read, at this point it isnt as necessary.

Also would like Glass's thoughts on Titus and Tunnel.

Since I voted for Titus he has been very town, so ya.
I have no idea on Tunnel, but why are you interested in Tunnel in particular?

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Regarding the Saki and Varsoon claims... I find it very odd that a scum would be counterclaiming roleblocker as this point of the game, as it is pretty much inviting a 1v1. Also, the fact that since the odds of us having 2 actual roleblockers in this game is ~3.5% it's hard to imagine that Varsoon as scum would counterclaim to get Saki lynched, and then try to talk his way out of it tomorrow. It's even more strange that Saki has Varsoon as a scumread and as a counterclaim but is not voting for him...

Roleblocker is an excellent fake claim for a scum roleblocker. After all, you just ask who did you roleblock and the scum roleblocker can give the same answer as a town roleblocker would.

I think that this is likely and I would further go on to say if Saki does flip roleblocker there is likely no godfather, since fakeclaiming roleblocker when only 0-2 T's were rolled makes it likely that there would be a counterclaim. That all being said I find it really strange the way Sakiscum would throw himself out there as roleblocker when there is a risk of counterclaim and the 50% chance of there being a SK.

I think Varsoon is definitely scum but I don't want to cut the day short nor let Titus dance out of this.

Is Titus also "definitely scum"?
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Anyone down for a varsoon lynch?

VOTE: varsoon

Why?

[Varsoon]

@Saki: Between being the top lynch candidate as of right now and being a claimed PR, chances are slim unless one of us (or both, if you actually are roleblocker) block the right scum. You might be roleblocker as well, but the chances are low and I don't like you as town so far.

@Glass: I'm almost positive that Saki is scum. Still, there's a small chance Saki's Roleblocker and so am I. In that case, well, /shrug. It's a gamble.

[Saki]

@Glass
For why I'm not trying to lynch Varsoon today
I'm sure the SK/vig (we're likely to have one or the other) will take care of confscum Varsoon tonight. Leave him to be dead.


Yes, Glass, Titus is defscum for buddying/defending/chainsawing Varsoon so hard.

@Varsoon
Top lynch candidate? Flench is afk and will reconsider his vote when he comes back, probably. The only ones pushing for my lynch now are you and Titus.
If anyone's the top lynch candidate it's you, Varsoon, for claiming scum.

"Block the right scum?"
There might be SKs and Vigs in this game, too, you know.

(and doctors)
Which makes it plenty possible for me to live through D1 without even using my night action.

@both of you
The only way me and Varsoon are both confirmed roleblocker if two people claim 1-shot. (MBBBBXX)
If there's one one-shot RB then it's confirmed

likely

that there's two RBs and one of us is confirmed RB. (MBBBXXX)
^ but neither of them are statistically likely

Therefore Varsoon is scum.

[CherryDrPepper]

I must say I'm impressed Saki, that's quite an interesting analysis, let's look at the chances then if there's 2 town roleblockers we'd have MBBBTTT which means there's a scum roleblocker, and no SK, with a vig it would be MBBBVVT which would mean that there's an SK AND a Vig, the only possibility of it being 1-shot roleblocker which would mean as you said MBBBBVV (No Ts) hence no SK... so i think we will be having either 1 shooter or 3 shooters tonight if roleblockers miss, and i think we more than likely can assume that we got a scum roleblocker at this point, regardless of saki and varsoon being both town or not. The chances are pretty unlikely, but one thing's for certain... there can't be 3 town roleblockers i think? (at least they don't appear on the wiki page).

-Sakura Hana

[Titus]

@Glass, be very careful what you say unless you intended to say what you just said. I'm not explaining that further in case I am right.

@Saki, how would lynching me confirm your suspicions about Varsoon? From your perspective, why not lynch Varsoon and then shoot me?

Also, my ambuigity was intended. I figured Varsoon was some sort of PR, so I deliberately never explicitly said one way or the other whether Varsoon was town. I tried to hint via context I thought he was instead. Proving Varsoon was town would be detrimental to his chances of survival if he was indeed a PR.

A pretty big 180 is when a player suddenly turns around and believes something they didn't before.

Never intended to dodge. How can you say I'm proactively defending Varsoon when you're also saying that I'm never clearly giving a position on Varsoon? The position is illogical. I'm not buddying I was just going along with what I perceived his plan to be.

I am conservative with my vote. I only vote people who I believe are scum or RVS for the most part. I rarely pull gambits with my vote or anything like that.

The thing is, I don't see you as a town PR Saki, I want to lynch scum. I cannot see a legitimate town roleblocker rushing to get his claim on the table.


@All, I'm suspecting jmo is on Saki's scum team. He's pressuring Saki but when the conflict comes up he forgets about Saki and votes Varsoon instead.

[Titus]

@CherryDr.Pepper, right no chance of three roleblockers according to the wiki.

[Titus]

@Glass, I think scumSaki claims roleblocker in this setup knowing there's little chance of a counterclaim (it's the least likely role). If no one counterclaims, Saki sails for a little while just because he is a PR. He can then say well WIFOM is why I stayed alive so long.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: Oho? I'm the top lynch candidate? It sure is obvious, given all these votes on me.
Oh, wait, those votes are on you, Cherry, etc.
Only person voting me is JMO, and he won't articulate a compelling case against me, or, well, anyone he votes.

[Saki]

Wasn't expecting that from you Sakura.
I wasn't even looking that way, I was pointing out how Varsoon ignored the possibility of SKs, Vigs, and Doctors.

On a different note,
If 5 B's are rolled I think three RBs is possible (following the pattern.)

But the chance is .5^5 << and if that happens I'm going to laugh so hard I won't care whether I win or lose this game

P-EDIT: Titus is that a veiled threat to Glass?

'Cause Varsoon is confscum and that's case closed. You, I believe, I can crack down more on.

Intented ambiguity? Not a towntell.

You hint too obviously to be 'hints'. I've made that point already.

Do you townread Varsoon or not? You defended his RB claim 'cause he's town and shot down mine 'cause I'm scum.

I meant why do you think I made a 180? I've never townread you.

You're buddying Varsoon, please don't deny it. You've made it pretty clear you think I'm scum and Varsoon is town.

You're still pursuing that half-assed Flench case. You also did clear me but quickly voted me back when Varsoon CC'd. I call that being pretty floppy about your vote. It took a page of arguing to get you off me yet it takes one post from Varsoon to make you vote me again?

I was not rushing to get my claim I said I'd claim at L-2 when I feel threatened. You pushed me to that point, Titus, you're partly responsible for my claim.



Ok, now that Vote Me seems impossible you're trying to draw attention away from yourself with JMO? Not happening.

P-Edit2:
@titus
Not the least likely role, you pointed out that scum Roleblocker could claim Town RB too, Titus. Stop contradicting yourself.
@Varsoon
You're confscum. Once people start reading this thread there

will

more talk of voting you.

[Saki]

response to 462
Wasn't expecting that from you Sakura.
I wasn't even looking that way, I was pointing out how Varsoon ignored the possibility of SKs, Vigs, and Doctors.

On a different note,
If 5 B's are rolled I think three RBs is possible (following the pattern.)

But the chance is .5^5 << and if that happens I'm going to laugh so hard I won't care whether I win or lose this game

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response to 463
P-EDIT: Titus is that a veiled threat to Glass?

'Cause Varsoon is confscum and that's case closed. You, I believe, I can crack down more on.

Intented ambiguity? Not a towntell.

You hint too obviously to be 'hints'. I've made that point already.

Do you townread Varsoon or not? You defended his RB claim 'cause he's town and shot down mine 'cause I'm scum.

I meant why do you think I made a 180? I've never townread you.

You're buddying Varsoon, please don't deny it. You've made it pretty clear you think I'm scum and Varsoon is town.

You're still pursuing that half-assed Flench case. You also did clear me but quickly voted me back when Varsoon CC'd. I call that being pretty floppy about your vote. It took a page of arguing to get you off me yet it takes one post from Varsoon to make you vote me again?

I was not rushing to get my claim I said I'd claim at L-2 when I feel threatened. You pushed me to that point, Titus, you're partly responsible for my claim.



Ok, now that Vote Me seems impossible you're trying to draw attention away from yourself with JMO? Not happening.
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response to 465
P-Edit2:
@titus
Not the least likely role, you pointed out that scum Roleblocker could claim Town RB too, Titus. Stop contradicting yourself.
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response to 466
@Varsoon
You're confscum. Once people start reading this thread there

will

more talk of voting you.

[Saki]

fuck I meant post 463 not vote 463.
Sorry for that.

FTFY, feeling generous today.
~DBK

[Titus]

@Saki, I was not threatening Glass. I was telling him I noticed something in his posts and I don't think he meant to hint at it.

You also seem to fail with the context. The least likely role meant the least likely for town to be and therefore roleblocker is the least likely to be counterclaimed.

I townread Varson. I don't really care if I give off a townread (especially to my scum suspects). I'll do what I think is best for the town. If that means highlighting Varsoon's actions and moving on so he can live through the night, so be it.

The 180 was regarding your position on Cherry. Cherry's all scummy until he begins to hesitate voting you. Then Cherry's town.

[Saki]

fuck I meant post 463 not vote 463.
Sorry for that.

FTFY, feeling generous today.
~DBK

thank you, ily

<3

[Saki]

@Saki, I was not threatening Glass. I was telling him I noticed something in his posts and I don't think he meant to hint at it.

You also seem to fail with the context. The least likely role meant the least likely for town to be and therefore roleblocker is the least likely to be counterclaimed.

I townread Varson. I don't really care if I give off a townread (especially to my scum suspects). I'll do what I think is best for the town. If that means highlighting Varsoon's actions and moving on so he can live through the night, so be it.

The 180 was regarding your position on Cherry. Cherry's all scummy until he begins to hesitate voting you. Then Cherry's town.

Let's leave that up to Glass.

You specifically said it was likely for a scum RB to be in the game and easy for a scum RB to claim (and by that logic, also counterclaim) town RB. Not the least likely role for town to fakeclaim, as stated by you.

Then make that stance clear, instead of posting shit like 435.

I never specifically said Cherry is town. I said Cherry and Pasche look confused while you don't look dazed at all, therefore you're scum.

[Varsoon]

If calling someone town is buddying them, I've been made buddies with people far too often in all of my games.

I didn't account for SKs, Vigs, and Doctors because I don't do setup speculation. Please read my posts before looking like a jerk. I explained that in this very thread.

"You're confscum. Once people start reading this thread,

I hope

there will be more talk of voting you."

Fixed it for you.

[Saki]

Intented ambiguity? Not a towntell.

You hint too obviously to be 'hints'. I've made that point already.

You're still pursuing that half-assed Flench case. You also did clear me but quickly voted me back when Varsoon CC'd. I call that being pretty floppy about your vote. It took a page of arguing to get you off me yet it takes one post from Varsoon to make you vote me again?

I was not rushing to get my claim I said I'd claim at L-2 when I feel threatened. You pushed me to that point, Titus, you're partly responsible for my claim.

Reply to those points Titus. At least try to argue them, scum.



Hey Varsoon how 'bout you actually read every single one of my posts again because you and Titus don't seem to be, at all. Or maybe you just can't read?

I said Titus is buddying you not only because he's calling you town but because he's been defending/chainsawing you. I think that has to be the fifth time I wrote that.