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[oriole]

I'm sneaking in a quick post here, but I'm busy for another hour or so...

My impression so far is that Saki's claim is real, Varsoon is fake-claiming town because ~reasons~, and while Titus is saying some things I disagree with that doesn't make him scum.

UNVOTE:
My vote on Cherry's a bit outdated.

Oriole, that doesn't make much sense. Why wouldn't Varsoon just withdraw his claim so we wouldn't inadvertently lynch Saki?

Why isn't Varsoon pushing Saki harder then? Also, we haven't been close to lynching Saki since he claimed.

(back to work I go...)

[Does Bo Know]

Votecount 1.20

[L-5] Saki - Flench, Titus
[L-6] CherryDrPepper - Dyslexicon
[L-6] Titus - Saki
[L-6] jmo16mla - StubbsKVM
[L-6] Varsoon - jmo16mla

Not Voting: TunnelVision, Vote Me, CherryDrPepper, Paschendale, Glass, Varsoon, oriole

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Friday, August 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 PM CST ((expired on 2013-08-02 19:30:00)).

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[oriole]

@Mod:

I unvoted in 519.

[StubbsKVM]

10 pages since my catchup post? Way behind again!

[Titus]

Saki, I'm thinking about risk reward here. Unless I was 100% certain the target claiming roleblocker was scum, I never would counterclaim as a townie. It doesn't make sense. The risk outweighs the reward. Varsoon seems to be having some doubts due to the possibility of scum passing through the night. The only way is doubts could be accurate is that one of the lurkers is a one shot roleblocker.

I asked because someone had reached a difference conclusion than me and I wanted to see why someone might do that.


Oriole, true but we have two roleblocked claimers to sort through both of which have left scummy actions. We have a lot of time to figure it out, so yeah I kinda see why we aren't close to lynching either of them.

Varsoon also isn't pushing for the reasons he just stated. He's worried we have a one shot roleblocker hiding in the shadows and that both Saki and himself are town. I absolutely discount this possiblity.

[CherryDrPepper]

10 pages since my catchup post? Way behind again!

Indeed, i'm liking these players, they are very active

-Sakura Hana

[Does Bo Know]

Apologize for faulty vote counts again. I must've gotten carried away with the whole roleblocker explanation and missed the vote.
~DBK

[Saki]

Sorry stubbs

Saki, I'm thinking about risk reward here. Unless I was 100% certain the target claiming roleblocker was scum, I never would counterclaim as a townie. It doesn't make sense. The risk outweighs the reward. Varsoon seems to be having some doubts due to the possibility of scum passing through the night. The only way is doubts could be accurate is that one of the lurkers is a one shot roleblocker.

But that's you, not Varsoon!

Varsoon seemed certain that I was scum at the time of his counterclaim. Don't see why he wouldn't.

You also said Varsoon made no sense to you.


Varsoon is worried about scum passing through the night? I don't feel that coming from him. ('cause I don't think he's anywhere near town yet)

I doubt a lurker will claim anything. They aren't even lurkers, most of them. Just people that don't post a hundred posts a day like some of us here.

And one 1-shot RB claim only validates one of me/Varsoon's claims not both. What makes you think scum can't fakeclaim one-shot to make sure the lynch happens between me and Varsoon? Fake-claiming one-shot isn't hard, you just have to pretend to be useless for a night.

[Saki]

10 pages since my catchup post? Way behind again!

Indeed, i'm liking these players, they are very active

-Sakura Hana

I think we've left the other's too far behind

[StubbsKVM]

I take it that you're going to go after JMO today?

yes, for now.

Stubbs, I actually don't agree on the Saki townread

I got that here:

The more convinced I am Saki is indeed a mislynch

That might have outdated by the time I posted. So apologies.

I'm at #313, reminder to self. Got to go.

[StubbsKVM]

I'd like to think that my read list put this game in higher gear

[Varsoon]

I'm pretty much stuck to my computer at this point, so don't expect me to be gone for any length of time.

Anyforwho, you guys pretty much have it right. I really want everyone to be here so I can pressure people rather than shout at a wall, yknow?

I don't feel right about the current Varsoon vs Saki vs Titus thing that's happening.

[Saki]

I'd like to think that my read list put this game in higher gear

you sure you aren't in the wrong game

[Titus]

Varsoon could have a whacked out risk reward analysis but I don't think so.

Also, yeah Varsoon pretty much said he was paranoid that both you and Saki were town in 496. So I don't see you don't "get that vibe" from him.

A one shot roleblocker does not verify both of your claims as true. However, a one shot roleblocker is the only way both of you are town roleblockers.

@Stubbs, extremely outdated.

[StubbsKVM]

I'd like to think that my read list put this game in higher gear

you sure you aren't in the wrong game

Yes I am!

[Saki]

@Stubbs, extremely outdated.

I used that argument against you but you denied it.



On the other hand, I'd like to discuss the possibility of someone fakeclaiming one-shot

[oriole]

Varsoon could have a whacked out risk reward analysis but I don't think so.

Also, yeah Varsoon pretty much said he was paranoid that both you and Saki were town in 496. So I don't see you don't "get that vibe" from him.

A one shot roleblocker does not verify both of your claims as true. However, a one shot roleblocker is the only way both of you are town roleblockers.

@Stubbs, extremely outdated.

False. BBB= 2 full town roleblockers.

[Saki]

BBB = 2 full town roleblockers + 1-shot

"If Varsoon is a RB and so am I, then there must be a one-shot out there somewhere, at least."

My impression of what Titus is getting at.

[Saki]

Which is old, old considering that we all know that and now I'm paranoid of a one-shot RB fakeclaim.

[Titus]

This setup is so counter-initiative.

We'd have to have three bs roll up regardless and I don't think three bbb are rolling in a setup like this. That's down in the 1-5% range IMO.

[Saki]

This setup is so counter-initiative.

We'd have to have three bs roll up regardless and I don't think three bbb are rolling in a setup like this. That's down in the 1-5% range IMO.

So you think that Varsoon and I are

both

town RBs for sure?

[Saki]

Never mind I'm misinterpreting stuff again.

[CherryDrPepper]

Hmm i dont really see how having a 1 shot RB make 2 full RBs possible:

B = Roleblocker
BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker
BBB = 2 Roleblockers
BBBB = 2 Roleblockers + 1-Shot Roleblocker

I'd like to think that BBBB is even less likely over BB

-Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

EBWOP: *over BBB*

[Saki]

Oh my god I had it wrong for the entire two pages

I thought this:
B - 1 RB
BB - 1 RB + 1 1shot RB
BBB - 2 RB + 1 1shot RB
BBBB - 2RB + 2 1shot RB and so on...